[ECW] Holiday Hell II [long]
Evrulz
This message WILL be containing flames, but just to counter them, I am
also going to post a shitload of news to go along with it. That way, it'll
sorta neutralize it or something.
Yes, I was in attendance at the ECW Arena to see Holiday Hell II. The only
arena in the world whose parking lot is made up of urine and feces.
I won't get into match descriptions, simply leave ratings, and any
interesting tidbits of info to pass along.
Also, after reading the Senile Hippo's report (no longer royalty, too
stupid to be), I will add a couple of things when needed.
Steve Richards pinned J.T. Smith after a superkick. Rating: **. They
actually fucked up the finish and had to do it again.
Dean Malenko made Ray Odyssey submit. Rating: ** 1/4. The Bleacher Blecchs
did a lot of "End it Now" chants, even though it wasn't that bad. It did
become sloppy towards the end and suffered. I am sorta surprised that the
Bleacher Blecchs haven't made some sort of Dave Sullivan chant at Odyssey,
since there is such a great resemblance. Especially considering Odyssey is
supposed to look more like Sunny Beach.
Chris Benoit beat Hack Myers when the ref stopped the bout. Myers was
stretchered out. Rating: **. We were remarking how over Benoit was, and
how quickly the crowd turned on him when he started to call Sabu a pussy
among other things.
911 choke-slams Santa. well, it was obvious as soon as Santa came out, but
it was still pretty good. If you're wondering, Santa was one of the refs.
911 pinned the Pit Bulls. Rating: ** 1/4. For what it was, it was alright,
since it was the Pit Bulls beating on 911 until the finish pretty much.
Mikey Whippreck pinned Don E. Allen. Rating: 1/2 *. This was damn bad. The
finish, a mid-rope bulldog, was really bad. The story behind the angle
afterwards that Hippo alluded to...
It didn't go over in the building because we couldn't hear what was being
said. But the guy was Paul Lorias, who is even smaller than Whippreck. He
did the attack on Whippreck, and then strutted a bit in the bare-chested.
Paul was almost going to come down to Philly with our bunch because they
wanted to do the angle, but he got down there somewhere else. The story
behind him is that if you ECW fans remember the Young Dragons, he was one
of 'em, the other being Whippreck. The two are from Long Island (east end)
and are friends. The thing about this angle is, every drunk mutant freak
fuck in the building was saying, "I could kick this kid's ass!" and that
is the point. He develops such heat because he is so small, and most of
the fans in the building (including the women) are bigger than he is.
Which is gonna make a lot of the freaks jealous that they can't be in the
ring.
The interesting thing about this angle is, the original plan was to have
Whippreck's TWIN BROTHER do this thing. However, Mikey's twin is not
really trained to wrestle pro, so they went with this angle instead.
Cactus Jack & Tommy Dreamer pinned Cairo & Sandman when Cairo was setting
Cactus up for a hotshot, but Jack turned it into a DDT. Rating: **** 1/4.
Great brawl. To correct the inebriated Hippocrite, it was Tommy Dreamer
who on the fly (meaning, improvised then and there), who nailed Angel in
the crotch with the cane, and said "Cactus, I think we just popped the
Virgin's cherry". (Paul E was laughing hysterically in the back after this
one). BTW, Dreamer is going to All-Japan, so he went out with a bang, eh?
Angel did juice, and after taking one of the best cane shots in the world
from Cactii, had a couple of nice welts in her forehead when she got
backstage.
ECW TITLE:
Shane Douglas pinned Ron Simmons in a shitty rollup finish. Simmons injury
WAS legit. Rating: * 1/2. Simmons was taunted unmercifully. When he got
backstage, he was heard muttering "I hate these fucking fans"
ECW TAG TITLE MATCH:
Public Enemy pinned Sabu & Taz. Rating: **** 1/2. Even better brawl. There
was a point in the match where Rocco Rock was going into the crowd, and
Manson, one of the local scumbuckets had picked up a chair. I found out
later, the following. Rocco said to Manson "I can't touch you here. But
why don't you step over the railing into my world, and see what happens"
(Boy, I love Petty). Nothing better would've been to see that freakish
Kojak motherfucker get his ass destroyed. Anyways, the cops threw Manson
out. But you see, what this mutant did, was fuck up a huge spot in the
match. Rocco & Sabu were going to set up a spot in which Rocco was going
to be layed out on two tables on the floor, and Sabu was going to leap off
of the stage onto him. But since Manson caused so much shit, they had to
stay ringside and the spot never came off.
So next time the ECW Mutants and Bleacher Blecchs show up, I hope you all
tell Manson what a big bald cocksucker he is for fucking up what could've
been a mega-fantastic spot. Maybe kick him a few times too.
I was told afterwards, that this was not one of the better ECW shows, but
it was good. And I certainly thought so.
Now...
The Senile Hippo.
"Ignore the ignorant" - Dave Scherer in reference to me, a bit more than 2
weeks ago.
"EVAN SUCKS! EVAN SUCKS!" - (with a couple of "So does Herb"'s thrown in)
Chant started by the Hippocrite at the ECW Arena. So much for ignoring,
huh? Well, the chant was expected. As I knew it would happen a couple of
weeks ago, sorta says something for the creativitiy on the part of the
Bleacher Blecchs. I was waiting for another one of the chants though, as
I was amazed as to how much heat I was getting, and they didn't even know
if I was there. But wait! It gets better.
We all know that Dave Scherer is a hypocrite, and has always been. And I
think we know that I've accused him of being senile several times (which
is not good for someone his age). But the proof that I needed, was there
last night. Since the Senile Hippo has met me before (twice), he SHOULD
know what I look like. I mean, I knew when I saw a head bigger than Rush
Limbaugh's (and an ego to boot), a stomach that has looked 9 months
pregnant for the past 2 years, I knew it was the Senile Hippo.
"He won't come anywhere near here. He's afraid of me." - Senile Hippocrite
Dave Scherer. 12/17/94.
How do I know he said this? I was 5 feet away from him the entire night.
That's why. I was in the bleachers the entire time, two rows down from the
human keg itself. Senile Hippo must've passed by me at least three times,
and because we know of the affects of senility, didn't realize it at all.
"Look for a guy with curly hair" - Senile Hippocrite Dave Scherer
12/17/94.
As I was laughing pretty hard at this point, cause if the Hippo had a
brain instead of picking it through his nostrils, he would remember that I
never had curly hair a day in my life.
QUICK! MULTIPLE CHOICE QUIZ!
Senile Hippocrite Dave Scherer always wears only Zubaz pants because:
A) Only pair he owns
B) Denim only stretches so far
C) Easy access route to scratch his nuts so he can think
D) All of the above
Now, you may ask, ok, so he is completely stupid, and a hypocrite, but why
didn't you say Hi to the group Evan?
I figured that eventually, Hippo would recognize me, but if he didn't, I
would say hi at the end of the show. However, this being the first time in
the ECW Arena for me, I didn't realize that the place files out so fast,
and we had to wait inside for someone, so I never got my chance to laugh
in his inebriated face.
Oh yeah, lets look at that. The inebriated defense that the Senile Hippo
might use as to why he didn't recognize me. Well, if you were sober
enough to write match ratings on your dinky little pad, then I think you
could've somehow went into your peabrain, and said, "Hey, that's Evan!
Hic!"
Now, being the good little eavesdropper, I got to even figure out which
members of RSPW were two rows behind me by hearing some names. So, I will
comment on those who I could pick out. :)
Jess McGrath: Lose the goatee dude. I realize that it seems ECW has a
goatee-policy in order to be in the building, but it doesn't work for ya.
MadDog James Finch: FREAK!
Tom Misnik: FREAK!
Eugene Stern: Surprisingly, fairly normal looking guy.
For the record though, being in the bleachers myself, and hearing all the
Bleacher Blecchs chanting, I actually thought it was pretty fun. Some of
the chants are stupid (to be expected when the leader has Alzheimer's at
age 33), but the chants are pretty loud, and they tend to control a lot of
the other fans responses at the arena. So if the Blecchs chant "You
really suck" at a wrestler, most of the fans in the arena are likely to
join in.
I would definitely go back to another ECW show (if only to hear "Evan
Sucks" just one more time).
Quotable quotes from my group:
"The wrestling here is great. Now if they could only do something about
the scumbags here. Like say, have them die horribly?" - Me
"If these people were choking, I wouldn't give them the Heimlich" - Keithy
No-show Barbaro.
"Right now! It's 3 AM! And people are having an orgy at this club and I'm
not there!" - Keithy No-show Barbaro
"I can't believe I'm not even 5 feet away from him, and he doesn't even
realize it." - Me
"If they don't start the "Evan sucks" chant, can I?" - Joey Jaguar
Ok, I said I'd post news, and I have shitloads that no one has. Normally,
I would not be doing this, but I think I have to sorta "redeem" myself
after going off on the Hippo.
1/7/95 ECW show. The Main Event is Sabu, Taz & 911 vs Public Enemy, Chris
Benoit & Dean Malenko. Don't know any other bouts. Al Snow and Scotty
Flamingo will be on the show though.
To respond to Hippo's 2nd complaint referring to Ron Simmons, fear not
Senile fatfuck, Cactus Jack vs Shane Douglas is going to be a feud quite
soon.
J.T. Smith will be turning heel later in the year.
Eugene mentioned earlier that ECW will be on MSG soon. Well, to update
that, AND to give a startup date on it...
There will be a 2-hour wrestling block on MSG on Friday nights beginning
at 11 PM. from 11PM - Midnight, will be WCW Pro. From Midnight- 1 AM will
be ECW. Starting January 20. Now, you must realize that the shows may be
affected depending if basketball games run late. I'm not sure what the
alternative to it is though.
There IS a hunt on to find a worthy opponent for 911. Bam Bam Bigelow is a
frontrunner when and if he leaves Titan.
Part of the reason why the main event seemed a little strange, is because
they lost the video in the back during the match, and communication got
screwed up. 911 came out too early, and it seemed a tad awkward, (although
watching Rocco get choked slammed onto the table by 911 is a memory etched
upon my mind)
WCW news:
I'm now told that Hogan will NOT be losing the strap to Butcher. So that
whole angle seems to be scrapped.
If you think things in WCW could not possibly get any worse than they are,
well, imagine Vader turning face. It will be happening soon, along with a
Bossman heel turn (so Hogan can go against him later on).
WWF News:
Titan WANTS (at least as of now) a Diesel vs Sid Justice match for
WrestleMania 11. Whether they change their plans by then, or if Sid agrees
to it, is another story.
EVAN
I HATE AOL
Mike Palij
In a previous article, evr...@aol.com (Evrulz) says:
>To start out with, I am going to preface this message with a disclaimer.
>This message WILL be containing flames, but just to counter them, I am
>also going to post a shitload of news to go along with it. That way, it'll
>sorta neutralize it or something.
A preface of my own:
hypocrisy: The professing of virtues and beliefs that one does not
possess.
hypocrite: A person given to hypocrisy.
>Yes, I was in attendance at the ECW Arena to see Holiday Hell II. The only
>arena in the world whose parking lot is made up of urine and feces.
Well, you should have gotten out of the gutter then. The rest of the
parking lot was all right. It looked fine from where I was.
>I won't get into match descriptions, simply leave ratings, and any
>interesting tidbits of info to pass along.
[rest of Evans's garbage dumped]
Evan,
You truly are a master of bullshit. Remember the last little flame war
you started over too many ECW house show reports? You said Dave, Tom,
I and others were all together so we should have just had a single
posting of results to conserve bandwidth. How is this little dump
you took an exercise in conserving bandwidth? Also, as one of those
people you called the Bleacher Bleechs, I have to say that any hope I
may have had of you ever getting out of your asshole phase is now gone.
I was going to drop the Evan File project because it seemed like you
actually mellowed out a bit. I should have known better. You really
are a coward.
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MadDogJMF
Aww Evan, coming from you I'll take that as a compliment . . .
MADDOGJMF
Jess C Mcgrath
: To start out with, I am going to preface this message with a disclaimer.
: This message WILL be containing flames, but just to counter them, I am
: also going to post a shitload of news to go along with it. That way, it'll
: sorta neutralize it or something.
Evan, Evan, Evan, Evan, Evan. Will you ever grow up?
: I figured that eventually, Hippo would recognize me, but if he didn't, I
: would say hi at the end of the show. However, this being the first time in
: the ECW Arena for me, I didn't realize that the place files out so fast,
: and we had to wait inside for someone, so I never got my chance to laugh
: in his inebriated face.
Boy, this is a bunch of shit. First of all, we were standing in the
bleachers for a good ten to fifteen minutes after the show. Then, we
stood outside by the door for about twenty more minutes. Unless you were
waiting for someone with major constipation or one of the bingo ladies,
you're full of shit.
: Jess McGrath: Lose the goatee dude. I realize that it seems ECW has a
: goatee-policy in order to be in the building, but it doesn't work for ya.
You know, Ev, I was thinking about shaving, but since you threw your two
cents in, the goatee stays. So what did I do to you to deserve a flame,
huh? I learned a long time ago not to judge people on their
appearances. If you're too fucking immature to do that, then you're not
worth anyone's time or breath.
It takes a big man to bust on someone over a computer. Real big. We
were right there, ready to speak with you. Two rows behind you, in
fact. And where were you? Hiding, with your tail between your legs,
like a piece of shit.
Next time you come to ECW Arena, at least have some fuckin' balls. Don't
hide behind your little computer.
--
Jess McGrath
jcmc...@sas.upenn.edu
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"Time ... thought I'd made friends with time"
-- Tori Amos
"It's not P.C. to refer to Evan as ugly. He's facially challenged."
-- Me (12/18/94)
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Eugene Stern
>The Senile Hippo.
>
>"Ignore the ignorant" - Dave Scherer in reference to me, a bit more than 2
>weeks ago.
>
>"EVAN SUCKS! EVAN SUCKS!" - (with a couple of "So does Herb"'s thrown in)
>Chant started by the Hippocrite at the ECW Arena. So much for ignoring,
>huh? Well, the chant was expected. As I knew it would happen a couple of
>weeks ago, sorta says something for the creativitiy on the part of the
>Bleacher Blecchs. I was waiting for another one of the chants though, as
>I was amazed as to how much heat I was getting, and they didn't even know
>if I was there. But wait! It gets better.
LISTEN YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT....BEFORE YOU GO AROUND SAYING SHIT ABOUT
PEOPLE GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. I STARTED THE EVAN SUCKS CHANT ONLY BECUASE
YOU WERE TOO MUCH OF A FUCKING PUSSY TO COME UP AND SAY HELLO.
YEAH YOUR MOTHER SAYS THE SAME THING. HOW DARE YOU. YOU LITTLE FREAK.
WHAT KIND OF A PUSSY GOES AROUND AND SITS TWO ROWS AWAY LIKE A SCARED SHIT
FOR BRAINS CUZ HE KNOWS THAT NO ONE WOULD RECOGNIZE HIM. I SWEAR
SCUMBAG...IF YOU EVER COME NEAR ME...
>
>For the record though, being in the bleachers myself, and hearing all the
>Bleacher Blecchs chanting, I actually thought it was pretty fun. Some of
>the chants are stupid (to be expected when the leader has Alzheimer's at
>age 33), but the chants are pretty loud, and they tend to control a lot of
>the other fans responses at the arena. So if the Blecchs chant "You
>really suck" at a wrestler, most of the fans in the arena are likely to
>join in.
<useless shit deleted>
>Eugene mentioned earlier that ECW will be on MSG soon. Well, to update
>that, AND to give a startup date on it...
>
>There will be a 2-hour wrestling block on MSG on Friday nights beginning
>at 11 PM. from 11PM - Midnight, will be WCW Pro. From Midnight- 1 AM will
>be ECW. Starting January 20. Now, you must realize that the shows may be
>affected depending if basketball games run late. I'm not sure what the
>alternative to it is though.
SORRY DICK BAG..TOD GORDON SAID STARTING IN FEBRUARY. WHERE DO YOU GET
THIS RIDICULOUS SHIT ANYWAYS?
<useless shit deleted>
>EVAN
>I HATE AOL
SCUMBAG. WHAT A FUCKIN SCUMBAG. NO BALLS MAN, NO BALLS! Here is a quarter
for balls.
N.W. What? N.W. What? N.W. What?
*****************************************************************************
Eugene Stern -- Also known as Giraffe -- Live from NYC!
ees...@pipeline.com
Foster's, it's Australian for beer mate!
"Tonight we stole the Virgin's Cherry", Cactus Jack 12/17/94
"This is f-cking great", Iron Mike Palij 12/17/94
The New York Chapter of Bleacher Bums at ECW
*****************************************************************************
Matt West
Okay EVY!!!!!
Now listen to someone who actually had insiders backstage...
First of all, Me & the Colonel also were in the "Evan Sucks" chant, but we
were in the front row, next to Mr. ECW,
The show was great, and if you thought your "flames" were good, you missed
the Bleacher Bums' pregame beer & cheesesteak picnic. We talked about all
kinds of stuff... Yes we brought you up....
As for Dave Scherer, he is one hell of a nice guy....
If you don't like him, shut the hell up.... Keep your stuff to yourself
Our quotes for the night...
Tommy Cairo walks by me... "Hey Tommy, we liked you better with your head
shaved."
To Woman... "NICE!!!!"
To Cactus after the show... "Cactus, give us a Bang Bang..."
To me... (whispered) "Bang Bang" -Cactus Jack
Sabu to me & The Colonel... "Hey, You guys got a lighter???"
"EVAN SUCKS" "Tom is Limp" "Tom's No Good" -The Bleacher Bums!!!
and finally, one that really pissed Ron Simmons off...
"We want Butch!!!"
-Me, Jay & Nason
"Yeah, you want sh*t" -Ron Simmons
anyways...
To Tom... Thanks alot, and Merry Christmas
To the Bleacher Bums... See ya Next time.. It was great!
To Don E Allen... I'll see you in the Ring...
And to all the RSPWers... Merry Christmas....
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~
Matthew West A.K.A Kid Liberty
e-mail- Mwes...@uriacc.uri.edu or av...@yfn.ysu.edu
Pro Wrestling Illustrated Top 500 # 468
Matt West
Oh, almost forgot...
Evan, We all made ourselves obvious, some of us came from Rhode Island
to see that show... You should've said something... Instead of coming
off as the high and mighty Evan, you abuse the guys who made the RI contingency
feel at home and helped us enjoy the show to the fullest!!!
Oh yeah, So you can't flame me or Jay, Hell we were the center of attention
when we were busting on Don E Allen... You should have noticed me...
Oh yeah,.... Two more quotes of the night...
"468, 468" -The Bleacher Bums
"Colonel, Colonel" - The Bleacher Bums
PS- Nice hats guys!!!!!!!!!!
Matt West
Giraffe was cool.... Simple as that
EVAN, I'm Not Impressed
I guess you spent too many years of your life sending letters to the Observer
about how Hogan was the man and how wrestling needs him...
Dave Mornhinweg
evr...@aol.com (Evrulz) writes:
> To start out with, I am going to preface this message with a disclaimer.
> This message WILL be containing flames, but just to counter them, I am
> also going to post a shitload of news to go along with it. That way, it'll
> sorta neutralize it or something.
>
Whoa! I came to this post to read about the show. One of the great
things about the group is the variety of opinions on the ECW cards.
I expected another one here. What I got was a flamefest. Choose
your subject headings more carefully.
You're gonna need a lot more news to neutralize what you've written.
[snip]
> We all know that Dave Scherer is a hypocrite, and has always been.
^^ ^^^ ^^^^
I have no proof of this. His postings are informative / entertaining
and timely. Most people read this for fun. Reading Scherer's,
Misnik's and others postings is fun. You whine too much in yours.
> "He won't come anywhere near here. He's afraid of me." - Senile Hippocrite
> Dave Scherer. 12/17/94.
And you didn't...and you are.
> Now, you may ask, ok, so he is completely stupid, and a hypocrite, but why
> didn't you say Hi to the group Evan?
> I figured that eventually, Hippo would recognize me, but if he didn't, I
> would say hi at the end of the show. However, this being the first time in
> the ECW Arena for me, I didn't realize that the place files out so fast,
> and we had to wait inside for someone
Uh huh
> Well, if you were sober
> enough to write match ratings on your dinky little pad, then I think you
> could've somehow went into your peabrain, and said, "Hey, that's Evan!
> Hic!"
Evan, beer is good.
> Jess McGrath: Lose the goatee dude. I realize that it seems ECW has a
> goatee-policy in order to be in the building, but it doesn't work for ya.
>
> MadDog James Finch: FREAK!
>
> Tom Misnik: FREAK!
>
> Eugene Stern: Surprisingly, fairly normal looking guy.
Who the hell are you to judge strangers by their looks? Sure, most
people might look at someone and think FREAK, but to preach (post)
it as truth is a bunch of shit. Judge people by actions, not by
looks. I judge rspw people by their actions...more on that later.
> Quotable quotes from my group:
> "The wrestling here is great. Now if they could only do something about
> the scumbags here. Like say, have them die horribly?" - Me
>
> "If these people were choking, I wouldn't give them the Heimlich" - Keithy
> No-show Barbaro.
Evan, it's a damn wrestling show. Who did you expect to see??
> "Right now! It's 3 AM! And people are having an orgy at this club and I'm
> not there!" - Keithy No-show Barbaro
>
> "I can't believe I'm not even 5 feet away from him, and he doesn't even
> realize it." - Me
>
> "If they don't start the "Evan sucks" chant, can I?" - Joey Jaguar
>
How fucking enlightening.
> Ok, I said I'd post news, and I have shitloads that no one has.
How fucking enlightening.
> 1/7/95 ECW show. The Main Event is Sabu, Taz & 911 vs Public Enemy, Chris
> Benoit & Dean Malenko. Don't know any other bouts. Al Snow and Scotty
> Flamingo will be on the show though.
>
> To respond to Hippo's 2nd complaint referring to Ron Simmons, fear not
> Senile fatfuck, Cactus Jack vs Shane Douglas is going to be a feud quite
> soon.
>
> There will be a 2-hour wrestling block on MSG on Friday nights beginning
> at 11 PM. from 11PM - Midnight, will be WCW Pro. From Midnight- 1 AM will
> be ECW. Starting January 20. Now, you must realize that the shows may be
> affected depending if basketball games run late. I'm not sure what the
> alternative to it is though.
>
> Part of the reason why the main event seemed a little strange, is because
> they lost the video in the back during the match, and communication got
> screwed up. 911 came out too early, and it seemed a tad awkward, (although
> watching Rocco get choked slammed onto the table by 911 is a memory etched
> upon my mind)
>
> If you think things in WCW could not possibly get any worse than they are,
> well, imagine Vader turning face. It will be happening soon, along with a
> Bossman heel turn (so Hogan can go against him later on).
>
This is no more reliable (IMHO) than something I could get on a
newsstand at a supermarket. Since I've been reading this group, I've
yet to hear anything significant from you concerning news, etc.
These
are mostly rumours, nothing more. I read what Misnik, Scherer post
and their news is in fact truthful most all of the time. How the
hell
do you show up at the ECW show and get all these mysterious sources
in 1 night??? I hope that WCW and ECW run back to back (to show up
WCW),
I hope that Douglas and Jack pair up, and I hope that Vader doesn't
turn heel.
I also hope that Sabu signs a 5 yr. contract w/ ECW, that Simmons
goes
to work for Coraluzzo and that your UseNet access gets cut off.
However,
I'm not going to post such statements as fact unless there is a
solid,
nameable source for them, nor do I believe that any of these will
happen.
Mark Twain once said (paraphrase)
It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to
speak out and remove all doubt.
> EVAN
> I HATE AOL
All doubt is removed.
To all who made it this far...Merry Christmas
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Dave Mornhinweg
djm...@psu.edu
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Festival
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>Evan, Evan, Evan, Evan, Evan. Will you ever grow up?
Why should he? Your all just as low as he is for continuing this rediculous
feud of Scherer vs Schlesinger. Fuck, I'm just as low as you guys.
>You know, Ev, I was thinking about shaving, but since you threw your two
>cents in, the goatee stays. So what did I do to you to deserve a flame,
>huh? I learned a long time ago not to judge people on their
>appearances. If you're too fucking immature to do that, then you're not
>worth anyone's time or breath.
The reason for flaming you is called guilty by association. Also, looks like
Even is worth it for you did reply to his note.
Larry Sternshein
ECW\IRC Conferances are biased
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>>Eugene Stern: Surprisingly, fairly normal looking guy.
>
>YEAH YOUR MOTHER SAYS THE SAME THING. HOW DARE YOU. YOU LITTLE FREAK.
>WHAT KIND OF A PUSSY GOES AROUND AND SITS TWO ROWS AWAY LIKE A SCARED SHIT
>FOR BRAINS CUZ HE KNOWS THAT NO ONE WOULD RECOGNIZE HIM. I SWEAR
>SCUMBAG...IF YOU EVER COME NEAR ME...
He complimented you, you should feel proud.
Larry Sternshein
Anti-christ of the ECW\IRC conferance
Evrulz
"Evan,
You truly are a master of bullshit. Remember the last little flame war
you started over too many ECW house show reports?"
I started no flamewar. If you cared anything about the truth, you'd know
who started the whole thing. But, that is the past.
"You said Dave, Tom,
I and others were all together so we should have just had a single
posting of results to conserve bandwidth. How is this little dump
you took an exercise in conserving bandwidth?"
That is not what I said. But I'm not surprised to see one of you attempt
to bring that up. In any case, I did not do match descriptions. I gave
ratings, cleared up mistakes in Hippo's report, flamed some, and gave
news.
I didn't repeat information, I made corrections, offered my own opinion
as to the match ratings.
Consider the flaming part of my message, a X-mas present to those who wish
I would do more of it. However, it is a one-time thing and it will not be
continued.
EVAN
I HATE AOL
Evrulz
Jess "Goatee" McGrath writes:
"Evan, Evan, Evan, Evan, Evan. Will you ever grow up?"
Gosh, I hope not.
: I figured that eventually, Hippo would recognize me, but if he didn't, I
: would say hi at the end of the show. However, this being the first time
in
: the ECW Arena for me, I didn't realize that the place files out so fast,
: and we had to wait inside for someone, so I never got my chance to laugh
: in his inebriated face.
"Boy, this is a bunch of shit. First of all, we were standing in the
bleachers for a good ten to fifteen minutes after the show. Then, we
stood outside by the door for about twenty more minutes. Unless you were
waiting for someone with major constipation or one of the bingo ladies,
you're full of shit."
Most of you headed towards the door right after the show. In addition, I
had to meet someone near the backstage area, and was there waiting for a
while. In hindsight, I should've realized that the one person in the group
who would've recognized me, was too dumb to do so.
: Jess McGrath: Lose the goatee dude. I realize that it seems ECW has a
: goatee-policy in order to be in the building, but it doesn't work for
ya.
"You know, Ev, I was thinking about shaving, but since you threw your two
cents in, the goatee stays. So what did I do to you to deserve a flame,
huh? I learned a long time ago not to judge people on their
appearances. If you're too fucking immature to do that, then you're not
worth anyone's time or breath."
Oh come now Jess, was not a flame and I hope you didn't take it as such. I
mean, MadDog took it as a compliment that I called him a freak. (weird
guy, eh?) I am not judging you on your appearance, I am offering an
opinion and nothing more. Don't turn it into something it isn't.
"It takes a big man to bust on someone over a computer. Real big. We
were right there, ready to speak with you. Two rows behind you, in
fact. And where were you? Hiding, with your tail between your legs,
like a piece of shit."
As stated, your leader, Senile Hippo has met me before. I had no idea that
his senility was so bad that he doesn't remember what I look like. After
all, for someone to call me something among the lines of "the ugliest
motherfucker", and not even recognize me from 5 feet away, passing by me
several times, proves him even more of a hypocrite.
"Next time you come to ECW Arena, at least have some fuckin' balls. Don't
hide behind your little computer."
Next time I come to ECW Arena, I'll remember to do two things. #1, say
hello to you if you are there, and #2, remember that Dave Scherer doesn't
even remember what he looks like. After all, he thinks he's thin.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
EVAN
I HATE AOL
Evrulz
LISTEN YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT....BEFORE YOU GO AROUND SAYING SHIT ABOUT
PEOPLE GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. I STARTED THE EVAN SUCKS CHANT ONLY BECUASE
YOU WERE TOO MUCH OF A FUCKING PUSSY TO COME UP AND SAY HELLO.
My mistake. It was you who started it. Hippo was doing it as well. That's
all fairly irrelevant though. His hypocrisy, is not.
And how did you know I even showed up? Do you always chant people's names
if you aren't sure they are even there? Who was it that yelled "Herb does
too"?? I'm sure that person knew damn well that Herb wasn't there.
>Eugene Stern: Surprisingly, fairly normal looking guy.
"YEAH YOUR MOTHER SAYS THE SAME THING. HOW DARE YOU. YOU LITTLE FREAK. "
Oh geez Eugene, I compliment you, you don't look like the average ECW
mutant scum, and you come back with something like that? Yeeesh.
"WHAT KIND OF A PUSSY GOES AROUND AND SITS TWO ROWS AWAY LIKE A SCARED
SHIT
FOR BRAINS CUZ HE KNOWS THAT NO ONE WOULD RECOGNIZE HIM."
Lets see if we can make sense of this. The Senile Hippo has met me twice.
I've met him twice. I know what he looks like, I would think he could have
capacity to do the same. If I'm such a pussy, how come I knowingly sat two
rows away from him, who I thought would recognize me instantly. After he
told you guys to look for someone with "curly hair", I knew he was brain
dead for sure.
" I SWEAR
SCUMBAG...IF YOU EVER COME NEAR ME... "
Ahhh, but I was near you Gene. I expected your faithful Bleacher Blecch
leader to point me out in a second. My mistake.
"SCUMBAG. WHAT A FUCKIN SCUMBAG. NO BALLS MAN, NO BALLS! Here is a
quarter
for balls. "
Having "NO BALLS" would maybe be the case if I sat on the opposite side of
the bleachers, so Hippo wouldn't be able to recognize me. That wasn't the
case.
BTW, since you are the one who started the "EVAN SUCKS" chant, I guess I
should be mad at you for only doing it once. I might've started to chant
it myself if it was done again.
(taking this all in good fun, except for the Hippo remarks)
EVAN
I HATE AOL
The Bogus Prophet
>Mike Palij writes:
>"Evan,
>You truly are a master of bullshit. Remember the last little flame war
>you started over too many ECW house show reports?"
>
>I started no flamewar. If you cared anything about the truth, you'd know
>who started the whole thing. But, that is the past.
You missed my point. For ME, you started a flamewar when you told
all the ECW attendees to stop posting separate descriptions.
>"You said Dave, Tom,
>I and others were all together so we should have just had a single
>posting of results to conserve bandwidth. How is this little dump
>you took an exercise in conserving bandwidth?"
>
>That is not what I said. But I'm not surprised to see one of you attempt
>to bring that up. In any case, I did not do match descriptions. I gave
>ratings, cleared up mistakes in Hippo's report, flamed some, and gave
>news.
Evan, I know you for what you are, a pathetic, lying, self-centered,
self-indulgent, immature child. I will respond appropriately when I
come across you in the real world.
>I didn't repeat information, I made corrections, offered my own opinion
>as to the match ratings.
>
>Consider the flaming part of my message, a X-mas present to those who wish
>I would do more of it. However, it is a one-time thing and it will not be
>continued.
Yeah, like we should believe you this time.
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Sternshein) writes:
>>>Eugene Stern: Surprisingly, fairly normal looking guy.
>>
>>YEAH YOUR MOTHER SAYS THE SAME THING. HOW DARE YOU. YOU LITTLE FREAK.
>>WHAT KIND OF A PUSSY GOES AROUND AND SITS TWO ROWS AWAY LIKE A SCARED SHIT
>>FOR BRAINS CUZ HE KNOWS THAT NO ONE WOULD RECOGNIZE HIM. I SWEAR
>>SCUMBAG...IF YOU EVER COME NEAR ME...
>
>
> He complimented you, you should feel proud.
>
>Larry Sternshein
It's a compliment to be considered "fairly normal looking?"
BTW, Evan if you're reading this, I had been taking a lot of this in
a light hearted manner. We chant stuff about Tom and he takes it in
good humor. But I guess you did the right thing. They say if you can't
take the heat to stay out of the kitchen and you stayed out.
Eric Tennant, Bleacher bum
David Fields
up at a gym in Santa Monica, CA where Rickson Gracie
was working out and challenged him to a shoot match
right then and there. Mind you, there were a bunch of
Japanese press types along for the ride as well.
Gracie said OK and 6 minutes later, Anjoh was on his
way to the hospital, the victim of Gracie's choke sleeper.
Wade Keller says this is a major blow both to the UWFI
and to Anjoh in the Japanese wrestling press's eyes.
Does anybody know anything more about this incident?
David Fields
Wade Keller is reporting in the Torch that Sabu has signed a 6 month
contract with New Japan. This means that he won't be working for the
WWF in the States or for FMW in Japan for at least that long.
Scott Lacy
The 6 month contract is correct. However, Sabu *WILL* still be working
ECW and his indies when he is not touring for New Japan. This is
according to Dave Meltzer.
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: The Torch reports that the UWFI's Yoshi Anjoh showed
I posted full details from Mike Tenay's hotline over a week ago.
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"Chris Candido is a fat albino midget." --Tammy Fytch 11/29/94
"I'm bigger than Shawn Michaels." --Chris Candido 11/29/94
pft
John Nash
Yeah. A coupla days after it happened a Gracie student who posts on
rec.martial-arts told the story. Tune in there for details.
john
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of a job".
Evrulz
Dave Mornhinweg posts the drivel in quotes:
> To start out with, I am going to preface this message with a disclaimer.
> This message WILL be containing flames, but just to counter them, I am
> also going to post a shitload of news to go along with it. That way,
it'll
> sorta neutralize it or something.
>
"Whoa! I came to this post to read about the show. One of the great
things about the group is the variety of opinions on the ECW cards.
I expected another one here. What I got was a flamefest. Choose
your subject headings more carefully."
If you truly read the post, you got a lot of both.
"You're gonna need a lot more news to neutralize what you've written. "
Ummm, not at all. If you're not satisfied, hey, tough.
[snip]
> We all know that Dave Scherer is a hypocrite, and has always been.
^^ ^^^ ^^^^
"I have no proof of this. His postings are informative / entertaining
and timely. Most people read this for fun. Reading Scherer's,
Misnik's and others postings is fun. You whine too much in yours."
Well, for starters. According to the Senile Hippo, he has left the group.
Where are these informative/entertaining and timely posts you speak of? If
you actually have read his postings, and I honestly don't believe you have
(judging by the content of the rest of your response) the proof is all in
what HE says. Even when he leaves the group, he doesn't.
> "He won't come anywhere near here. He's afraid of me." - Senile
Hippocrite
> Dave Scherer. 12/17/94.
"And you didn't...and you are."
As I said, you obviously haven't read the posts. I was 5 feet way from the
man who I've met twice before. Can't get much more near without sitting in
his lap. And that's something, I'd like to not think about.
> Jess McGrath: Lose the goatee dude. I realize that it seems ECW has a
> goatee-policy in order to be in the building, but it doesn't work for
ya.
>
> MadDog James Finch: FREAK!
>
> Tom Misnik: FREAK!
>
> Eugene Stern: Surprisingly, fairly normal looking guy.
"Who the hell are you to judge strangers by their looks? Sure, most
people might look at someone and think FREAK, but to preach (post)
it as truth is a bunch of shit. Judge people by actions, not by
looks. I judge rspw people by their actions...more on that later."
I am not "judging" anyone. I'm simply commenting on these very quick
impressions I got. They are not meant to be taken all that seriously. If
one of these guys was indeed a true-to-life 100% mutant (and believe me,
there were plenty of 'em there), I would've been the first to say so.
None of the 4 abovementioned.
> Quotable quotes from my group:
> "The wrestling here is great. Now if they could only do something about
> the scumbags here. Like say, have them die horribly?" - Me
>
> "If these people were choking, I wouldn't give them the Heimlich" -
Keithy
> No-show Barbaro.
"Evan, it's a damn wrestling show. Who did you expect to see?? "
My expectations are lowered every time I attend any show.
> Ok, I said I'd post news, and I have shitloads that no one has.
"How fucking enlightening."
Different people are enlightened in different ways. Some aren't at all.
[news items deleted]
This is no more reliable (IMHO) than something I could get on a
newsstand at a supermarket.
Most tabloids (Ex: Enquirer, Star) don't have wrestling news to my
knowledge.
" Since I've been reading this group, I've
yet to hear anything significant from you concerning news, etc."
Actually, the only reason I posted this news is because I felt it was
necessary to "do something good" in the post, after posting a healthy
amount of flamage. Normally, I do not post news, simply because it is not
worth it.
"These
are mostly rumours, nothing more."
You are entitled to your invalid opinion.
" I read what Misnik, Scherer post
and their news is in fact truthful most all of the time. How the
hell
do you show up at the ECW show and get all these mysterious sources
in 1 night??? "
It would help tremendously if you just admitted that you have absolutely
no idea of what you are talking about, that you have absolutely no clue as
to who I am to begin with, and that you have been reading infrequently for
what, 2 weeks maybe? What's the deal here?
" I hope that WCW and ECW run back to back (to show up
WCW),
I hope that Douglas and Jack pair up, and I hope that Vader doesn't
turn heel.
I also hope that Sabu signs a 5 yr. contract w/ ECW, that Simmons
goes
to work for Coraluzzo and that your UseNet access gets cut off.
However,
I'm not going to post such statements as fact unless there is a
solid,
nameable source for them, nor do I believe that any of these will
happen."
That's your problem. As for me naming a source, no thanks. You can give me
shit later if they all turn out to be utter bullshit. And I should point
out, just because they don't happen, doesn't necessarily mean they weren't
supposed to. Not a way out, but a fact that even Dave Meltzer knows all
too well.
"Mark Twain once said (paraphrase)
It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to
speak out and remove all doubt."
I once said "It's good to sometimes have an inkling of an idea, of what
you are saying, who you are saying it to, and if you're saying it to me,
why you're even wasting my time."
EVAN
I HATE AOL
Joel Gertner
>
Joey Jaguar? I didn't realize I was in gimmick Saturday night. As far as I
noticed, I was not adorned in my JaguarGear. Barbaro is a barrel of
laughs, though. The Forrest Gump of Professional Wrestling.
-"Nobody should, but Evan does"--Keith Barbaro
-"Look at that couple. I wonder if they cut each other's hair..."---KB,
while sitting in ECW Arena.
P.S. If you're wondering what the top quote of the signature means, just
ask.
Eugene Stern
>>>Eugene Stern: Surprisingly, fairly normal looking guy.
>>
>>YEAH YOUR MOTHER SAYS THE SAME THING. HOW DARE YOU. YOU LITTLE FREAK.
>>WHAT KIND OF A PUSSY GOES AROUND AND SITS TWO ROWS AWAY LIKE A SCARED
SHIT
>>FOR BRAINS CUZ HE KNOWS THAT NO ONE WOULD RECOGNIZE HIM. I SWEAR
>>SCUMBAG...IF YOU EVER COME NEAR ME...
> He complimented you, you should feel proud.
Until now. The line was crossed, and now RSPW is paying for it. I am
definitely wrong for wasting bandwidth, but that has been done before by
everyone on the Net.
As for my screaming that Evan is a pussy, I do feel bad that I had to
subject everyone to my "looney mode". And I know that two wrongs don't
make a right, but <kindergarten mode on> he started first. Nah Nah Nah Nah
:)
Eugene Stern
>Eugene Stern rants and raves:
>LISTEN YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT....BEFORE YOU GO AROUND SAYING SHIT ABOUT
>PEOPLE GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. I STARTED THE EVAN SUCKS CHANT ONLY BECUASE
>YOU WERE TOO MUCH OF A FUCKING PUSSY TO COME UP AND SAY HELLO.
>
>My mistake. It was you who started it. Hippo was doing it as well. That's
>all fairly irrelevant though. His hypocrisy, is not.
>And how did you know I even showed up? Do you always chant people's names
>if you aren't sure they are even there? Who was it that yelled "Herb does
>too"?? I'm sure that person knew damn well that Herb wasn't there.
that you were coming.
>>Eugene Stern: Surprisingly, fairly normal looking guy.
>
>"YEAH YOUR MOTHER SAYS THE SAME THING. HOW DARE YOU. YOU LITTLE FREAK. "
>
>Oh geez Eugene, I compliment you, you don't look like the average ECW
>mutant scum, and you come back with something like that? Yeeesh.
>"WHAT KIND OF A PUSSY GOES AROUND AND SITS TWO ROWS AWAY LIKE A SCARED
>SHIT
>FOR BRAINS CUZ HE KNOWS THAT NO ONE WOULD RECOGNIZE HIM."
>
>Lets see if we can make sense of this. The Senile Hippo has met me twice.
>I've met him twice. I know what he looks like, I would think he could have
>capacity to do the same. If I'm such a pussy, how come I knowingly sat two
>rows away from him, who I thought would recognize me instantly. After he
>told you guys to look for someone with "curly hair", I knew he was brain
>dead for sure.
Dave is a tad older than the rest of us. You must understand that beer has
a affects the memory. Now, answer me this wise-guy....How many people have
curly hair? Like finding a needle in a hay stack.
>" I SWEAR
>SCUMBAG...IF YOU EVER COME NEAR ME... "
>
>Ahhh, but I was near you Gene. I expected your faithful Bleacher Blecch
>leader to point me out in a second. My mistake.
Ahhh, but it was a surprise attack. Although I don't remember your
description, I kinda remember what the guys in the front looked like.
Nobody ever sits there. Sitting in those seats, first row of the bleachers,
is like sitting right next to the kitchen door that swings.
>"SCUMBAG. WHAT A FUCKIN SCUMBAG. NO BALLS MAN, NO BALLS! Here is a
>quarter
>for balls. "
>
>Having "NO BALLS" would maybe be the case if I sat on the opposite side of
>the bleachers, so Hippo wouldn't be able to recognize me. That wasn't the
>case.
But the "Having No Balls" issue still stands. You knew it was us, and the
only thing you could think of was catching us near the end of the show.
Kinda sounds like, "I was just going to call you." Nice try. You haven't
exactly proven that you do have balls. Anyone can flame on the Net and
hide, never to be seen again.
>BTW, since you are the one who started the "EVAN SUCKS" chant, I guess I
>should be mad at you for only doing it once. I might've started to chant
>it myself if it was done again.
Your request is granted. How many time would you like to hear it next time?
And I hope that you sit RIGHT next to me too.
>>(taking this all in good fun, except for the Hippo remarks)
Out of all the stupidity that may have come out of this, yeah this is kinda
funny. How many times do you get surf the Net and see "You are a Pussy".
It is funny. But the problem remains that people were seriously offended
by your remarks. I wasn't "offended", but I felt that since my fearless
leader, Hippo Senile Dave, is in exile, someone had to flame you back, not
intelligently, but bluntly and to the point.
>EVAN
>I HATE AOL
What a waste of money....AOL.
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>> He complimented you, you should feel proud.
>
>I was complimented because I have never said anything about Evan. Never.
>Until now. The line was crossed, and now RSPW is paying for it. I am
>definitely wrong for wasting bandwidth, but that has been done before by
>everyone on the Net.
>
Don't worry about wasting bandwidth!!! Nobody knows what bandwidth is, only
Evan cares what bandwidth is. Bandwidth is one of those stupid words in the
stupid RSPW vocabulary. Bandwidth is second to Hardcore, which is the dumbest
name for anybody.
>As for my screaming that Evan is a pussy, I do feel bad that I had to
>subject everyone to my "looney mode". And I know that two wrongs don't
>make a right, but <kindergarten mode on> he started first. Nah Nah Nah Nah
>:)
Don't worry about Kindergarten mode, we've all be on that from day one.
Larry Sternshein