[RAMBLINGS] - Bu's Views - RSPW the real winners
Mark Bureau
The following contains views and opinions. All opinions are mine
unless attributed to the proper sources. All rumors and information
provided will also be attributed to the proper source.
As always, Bu's Views are done with malice toward none.
** Copyright 1996, Mark Bureau - MariBu Internet Services **
First of all, this does not mark the return of Bu's Views
to its regular semi-weekly publication schedule. I stopped
doing that for several reasons:
1. As much as I enjoyed doing it, I didn't enjoy
doing it.
2. RSPW is saturated with daily, weekly and semi-
weekly regular publications
3. I learned that opinions can be offensive, even
though they aren't meant to be.
4. I only really watch Nitro anymore
5. Most of the hotline information I was getting
is not new because of reason #2.
Well, without further ado, here is a special Bash at the Beach
version of Bu's Views .. .. ..
[Musings]
I can honestly say that I was wrong on several of
the BATB outcomes. I can also say that I am not normally
that way off. I've been a fan of wrestling for so long,
and I've known some insiders, and people with inside
connections that I have always been accurate with my
predictions. I can not make that claim anymore.
WCW and the WWF have found their way onto the Internet.
Not necessarily RSPW, but the Internet. I believe that
both Vince and Eric realize that the *smarts* (the Internet
people) are a larger market segment than they thought, and
that those same *smarts* were getting bored because of the
predictability.
When I first joined rspw in 1993, the accuracy rate of
predictions was astonishing. If something was going to
happen, it would be known here well before it happened.
In the last 7-8 months (dating back to the Deisel 'tweener
turn) rspw has lost the *predictability* edge. No one
saw the attack on Bret Hart coming. Noone predicted that
the Undertaker would interfere in the Bret Hart/Deisel
match up. Several people thought that the Michaels collapsing
incident was not worked. It took people actually making
phone calls to several hospitals, and expertise "fall" analysis
before we realized we were worked. We all *marked out* over
Brian Pillman's "Bookerman" comment. The point here is that it
appears that both Vince and Eric seem to think that in order for
their product to stay popular, they have to please the "hardcore",
and the "smart" fans. Well, with the prediction accuracy dropping
and the marking out among the smarts on the rise, I'll take us
back to 2Q95 when Nitro was first announced. I made a comment then
that the real winners would be the wrestling fans and based on
the amount of "bandwidth" time that most new gimmicks have gotten
(Goldust, The Loose Cannon, The Outsiders, The return of the Warrior,
The jackknife of Bischoff, the Mongo/Horseman angle and most recently
the HOGAN turn) in recent months, I'd say that RSPW has been the
winners of the "Monday Night Wars"
[RSPW and the Big Two]
Does Eric read RSPW? Does Vince read RSPW? Do they even care what
we think? I think the answers to the first two questions are
obvious. Bischoff and McMahon may not personally spend time reading
rspw, but someone from each organization with marketing pull is. I
think that's quite clear. The answer to the third, I also think is
yes. If they didn't, we would still have "The Ringmaster", and not
Stone Cold Steve Austin. "Why do we still have "T.L Hopper" and
"The Godwins", and "The Goon" you ask? How many posts in rspw or
on *P, AOL, or CIS have you read that praise, Anthony, Canterbury,
Slazinger, and Irwin? Vince is not stupid. He didn't bring these
guys in to pamper us. There is still a "YOUNG" market segment, and
a market segment still stuck in the '80's that Vince needs to
survive. Does Eric care what we think? If he didn't, Disco Inferno
would have probably beaten Dean Malenko at BatB, even if was only
for one night. RSPW as a majority thought that putting the Cruiser-
weight Title on DI would have made that title useless. In one match
Gilbernetti showed that he could play with the big boys (or the
cruiserweight boys if you're following this), and now if they decide
to put the belt on him, it won't be such a bad thing.
[The New World Wrestling Order/Organization]
This is phase two of the *Monday Night Wars*. I have read the posts
regarding the term "The New World Order". I am shocked that this
particular name is being used. I am as shocked as the people were
about "The Final Solution". The New World Order is a term right out
of the book of Revelation. It is one of the final steps preceeding
the return of Jesus Christ and the end of the world as we know it.
I understand the significance of the term in the wrestling sense
(wrestling will no longer be the same), but that term came from a man
(Hogan) who once compared himself to Jesus Christ. I think the term
should be changed.
Moving on to the angle, if the rumors are correct, and Eric forms an
organization within an WCW, making the claim to the #2 wrestling
federation in the world, he will achieved his goal in my opinion.
The battle for supremacy will be fought within WCW, making the WWF
an afterthought. There was speculation that the NWWO would even
have its own champions. If I may offer a suggestion, why not go
the whole nine yards, and give the NWWO its own televised show. At
least split Nitro with WCW on the second half hour and NWWO on the
first. Give each hour its own opening and closing credits, have
the ratings tallied separately, etc. Do this and the WWF would
really become the NEWF (North East Wrestling Federation), not to
be confused with the MEWF (and Jeff Amdur, the official time keeper).
[BatB Afterthoughts]
I don't get Pay per View. I watched most of the BatB in
Scramblevision. I can make two comments here.
1) I thought Gene's "pole vaulting" remark
was stupid,
2) I thought the trash in the ring was appalling.
As much as I dislike the $1.49 per minute man, he didn't deserve to
be pelted with garbage, nor did Hogan. It is all an act, and it may
have been the best way to express anger, and generate heat, but I
continue to think back to the NFL season where the Green Bay Packers
coach was sent to the emergency room because some moron through an
ice ball on the field. These people were doing their jobs. They
deserve better.
I've got to admit, at first I thought, "Luger's down, he'll return
as #3, how stupid" Then after 15 minutes I began to think "There
are only two, there is no third, what a waste". But when Hogan
came out, I knew it was him. I also "marked out". But then after
reading a certain post on rspw, I thought to myself "Hall and Nash
no longer have any heat". The post I read was under the title
"Hogan a genious" or something like that. In the words of that
post, think about it. What happened? Hall and Nash were the
keys to the hype of the angle, then it was the third man, and
the third man ended up being Hogan. In a 10 minute period,
Hall and Nash lost their ALL their heat, the fans are going
crazy for Hogan, and the Pay per View ended with Hogan in the
spotlight. People didn't tune into Nitro on Monday to see
Hall and Nash. They tuned in to see what Hogan was going to
say. So, in a roundabout way, you CAN call Bischoff a genious.
He stole two of the WWF's most marketable employees, used them
to build the most creative angle and possibly (the numbers are not in
on the PPV) the most watched PPV in wrestling history, kept HIS man
on top and canned any heat "these two men" would receive in the
future. Is there anyone questioning the intelligence of Bischoff
now? HHHmmmmm.
[Personal Shill Not Wrestling Related]
I have developed a personal prayer request page. It has become
part of the Internet Prayer Network. It is a page devoted to
prayer for anyone that needs it. Your request is anomynous,
unless you wish to be contacted. Currently the network is
hundreds strong. Every request is seen by those hundreds of
people who have committed themselves to pray for your need.
The address is:
http://www.inter-link.net/~maribu/bu-pray.htm
That's it. See ya!
Mark R. Bureau
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David Stenshein
> 2) I thought the trash in the ring was appalling.
>
> As much as I dislike the $1.49 per minute man, he didn't deserve to
> be pelted with garbage, nor did Hogan. It is all an act, and it may
> have been the best way to express anger, and generate heat, but I
> continue to think back to the NFL season where the Green Bay Packers
> coach was sent to the emergency room because some moron through an
> ice ball on the field. These people were doing their jobs. They
> deserve better.
There is a differance between throwing paper crap in the ring and an
ice ball. This is the first time I've seen in a long while that the fans were
actually pissed. Its hard now a days for an angle to go over outside of
Philadelphia. It wasn't appalling. Throwing chairs in the ring is but
certainly not pieces of paper.
>[Personal Shill Not Wrestling Related]
>
> I have developed a personal prayer request page. It has become
> part of the Internet Prayer Network. It is a page devoted to
> prayer for anyone that needs it. Your request is anomynous,
> unless you wish to be contacted. Currently the network is
> hundreds strong. Every request is seen by those hundreds of
> people who have committed themselves to pray for your need.
> The address is:
> http://www.inter-link.net/~maribu/bu-pray.htm
I should have known you were a religious nuts. Let me guess, you were
pissed at Steve Austin and his anti-Christianity posts. I still like you as a
friend but I hate those who push their religion. I say keep "New World Order"
and Steve Austin's comments kick ass.
LARRY
NO RELIGION NECESSARY
Janis Johnson
>I have developed a personal prayer request page. It has become
> part of the Internet Prayer Network. It is a page devoted to
> prayer for anyone that needs it.
Show me one RSPWer who *doesn't* need it.
Rick Scaia
Mark Bureau (mr...@worldnet.att.net) writes:
>
> This is phase two of the *Monday Night Wars*. I have read the posts
> regarding the term "The New World Order". I am shocked that this
> particular name is being used. I am as shocked as the people were
> about "The Final Solution". The New World Order is a term right out
> of the book of Revelation. It is one of the final steps preceeding
> the return of Jesus Christ and the end of the world as we know it.
> I understand the significance of the term in the wrestling sense
> (wrestling will no longer be the same), but that term came from a man
> (Hogan) who once compared himself to Jesus Christ. I think the term
> should be changed.
I did not catch the significance right off, despite 12 years of
Catholic education. I do not think it is a big deal. Especially
when you consider how oddly appropriate this might turn out to be:
Hogan, the Christ figure, ruled the sport for a long time. King
of Kings and all that... Now, with the sport plunged into eternal
damnation (to paraphrase Bill Murray's take on the Apocalypse, "Dogs
and cats living together... Mass Hysteria!"), we must await the
return of our Savior, Hulk Hogan. Preceeding his return from battling
personal demons -- in the form of Satan's minions Kevin Nash and
Scott Hall (oh, and Eric Bischoff, too!) -- will be this period
known as The New World Order. This time of chaos will ultimately
lead to the Triumphant Return of Hulk Hogan, our Hero and Christ
Figure.
How's that for stretching a metaphor?
And even with this newfound epic undertone to the angle, I still
can't get too fired up over it. Oh well... maybe this time,
Satan will win, and Nash and Hall will retire Hogan for good.
Later....
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Joseph Sheppard
In article <4s6iq9$r...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
mr...@worldnet.att.net says...
> regarding the term "The New World Order". I am shocked that this
> particular name is being used. I am as shocked as the people were
> about "The Final Solution". The New World Order is a term right out
> of the book of Revelation. It is one of the final steps preceeding
> the return of Jesus Christ and the end of the world as we know it.
> I understand the significance of the term in the wrestling sense
> (wrestling will no longer be the same), but that term came from a man
> (Hogan) who once compared himself to Jesus Christ. I think the term
> should be changed.
While they are at it, should they change the term "four horsemen"?
Scott Keith
On 13 Jul 1996 07:24:38 GMT, ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rick Scaia)
wrote:
>
>Mark Bureau (mr...@worldnet.att.net) writes:
>>
[righteous indignation snipped]
>I did not catch the significance right off, despite 12 years of
>Catholic education. I do not think it is a big deal. Especially
>when you consider how oddly appropriate this might turn out to be:
>
>Hogan, the Christ figure, ruled the sport for a long time. King
>of Kings and all that... Now, with the sport plunged into eternal
>damnation (to paraphrase Bill Murray's take on the Apocalypse, "Dogs
>and cats living together... Mass Hysteria!"), we must await the
>return of our Savior, Hulk Hogan. Preceeding his return from battling
>personal demons -- in the form of Satan's minions Kevin Nash and
>Scott Hall (oh, and Eric Bischoff, too!) -- will be this period
>known as The New World Order. This time of chaos will ultimately
>lead to the Triumphant Return of Hulk Hogan, our Hero and Christ
>Figure.
>
>How's that for stretching a metaphor?
>
Hell, I think that WCW should cash in all their chips and go for it
all the way.
With apologies to DC Comics, they should build up to a PPV called
Kingdom Come, and really go nuts with the symbolism. Have all the
pro-WCW guys dress in bright white, and all the NWO guys dress in
blacks and reds.
Then do a series of PPV ads, using quotes from the Book of Revelation
as sound bites ("And there came an angel from heaven burning") to hype
it. Have the announcers build it up to biblical proportions, with
Hogan as the fallen angel seeking redemption and whoever as the
Savior. Make it all very apocolyptic, with everything else seeming
pointless and trivial next to the threat of the Outsiders taking over.
Sure, lots of people might be offended (those who grasp the imagry)
but I *guarantee* you a high buyrate.
Besides, wrestling's always at its best when it's bombastic and very
self-important.
First name Scott, last name Keith. Don't make me say it again.
"Austin 3:12 says I just kicked your ass!" Steve Austin
Worthless Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/4693
Rich In KC
On 14 Jul 1996 15:31:34 GMT, shep...@deltanet.com (Joseph Sheppard)
wrote:
>While they are at it, should they change the term "four horsemen"?
and "The Crippler".
Rich in PC KC
Jeff Amdur
In article <4s7ivm$h...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rick Scaia) wrote:
> This time of chaos will ultimately
> lead to the Triumphant Return of Hulk Hogan, our Hero and Christ
> Figure.
Now more than ever, I'm glad I'm Jewish!
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Jeff Amdur
Quality foreign language instruction since 1971 (Oy, gevalt! THAT long?!?)
Quality timekeeping for sports events since 1973
Doing all that stuff at Arundel High School in Gambrills, Md. since 1977
je...@clark.net jef...@aol.com jia...@umd5.umd.edu
George A. Lengel
Awhile back mr...@worldnet.att.net (Mark Bureau) blabbered
[mucho deletia]
>
> 2) I thought the trash in the ring was appalling.
>
> As much as I dislike the $1.49 per minute man, he didn't deserve to
> be pelted with garbage, nor did Hogan. It is all an act, and it may
> have been the best way to express anger, and generate heat, but I
> continue to think back to the NFL season where the Green Bay Packers
> coach was sent to the emergency room because some moron through an
> ice ball on the field. These people were doing their jobs. They
> deserve better.
I saw the replay of the Hogan interview and there is little doubt in
my mind the trash throwing was done by plants. (At least most of it).
Did you notice the gobs of security around the ring? Did you see
Dillenger running around aimlessly? Did you notice the sign police
take the sign quickly from the trailer-trash looking doofus in the ECW
shirt? Yet, through all this, not one security type person was
bothering to watch the fans closely to try and pick out a trash
thrower. They were ignoring it. Maybe some non-plant fans started
throwing stuff when they saw others getting away with it, but for the
most part they were plants I bet. They needed this to make sure Hogan
et al. were treated as heels. Hogan even had the trash line ready in
his interview because he knew it was going to happen. It has been
stated before on here by others asserting the same thing, and they
raised the same question that I have: can anyone who was at the arena
comment on the trash throwers and whether anyone was busted for it? It
sure seemed to me the predominat amount of trash was coming from two
directions. Lower left of the screen and from the right side. Razor
and Hall even got hit repeatedly by the stuff from the lower left. It
was obviously first few rows to be that accurate and some of the cups
still had beverage in them to add to the effect. That had to be a
plant to not get carted away after the first toss being that close.
Unless someone can give very convincing evidence otherwise, you got
duped big-time by this trash throwing.
[more deletia]
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University of Maryland OR len...@glue.umd.edu
College Park, MD
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Bob Barnett
Glen Gum wrote:
>
> Trevor Barrie wrote:
> > mr...@worldnet.att.net (Mark Bureau) wrote:
> > > 2) I thought the trash in the ring was appalling.
> >
> > > As much as I dislike the $1.49 per minute man, he didn't deserve to
> > > be pelted with garbage, nor did Hogan.
> >
> > know for sure one way or the other?
>
> It *really* looked worked last night on Nitro. Especially with that guy at
> ringside (at the bottom of the picture) waving his arms; he appeared to be
> giving a signal for the plants to start hurling the debris. And of course,
> there was no visible attempt by security to find and eject the hurlers,
> either.
>
> GG
And only EMPTY plastic bottles. Bitchoff is already killing the heat.
And no talking by Diesel or Scarface Jr-brilliant-we're back to
Hogan repeating himself.
Glen Gum
>
> > As much as I dislike the $1.49 per minute man, he didn't deserve to
> > be pelted with garbage, nor did Hogan.
>
Frank B
Glen Gum wrote:
> It *really* looked worked last night on Nitro. Especially with that guy at
> ringside (at the bottom of the picture) waving his arms; he appeared to be
> giving a signal for the plants to start hurling the debris. And of course,
> there was no visible attempt by security to find and eject the hurlers,
> either.
Not to mention the fact that only empty bottles were thrown at him! Plus, they
all looked exactly the same! The trash on Nitro was a work, but I think it
might have been real at BATB (it was all kinds of different trash, and some of
the bottles actually had soda in them).
Frank B.
Trevor Barrie
mr...@worldnet.att.net (Mark Bureau) wrote:
> In the last 7-8 months (dating back to the Deisel 'tweener
> turn) rspw has lost the *predictability* edge.
[...]
> The point here is that it
> appears that both Vince and Eric seem to think that in order for
> their product to stay popular, they have to please the "hardcore",
> and the "smart" fans.
Well, maybe. While there have been a handful of angles which seem
catered towards the "smart" fans, I'm more inclined to attribute the
loss in accuraccy to the rise in population. When you've got ten times
as many people shouting out rumours (some totally fabricated), it's a
lot harder to pick out the truth.
>[The New World Wrestling Order/Organization]
> This is phase two of the *Monday Night Wars*. I have read the posts
> regarding the term "The New World Order". I am shocked that this
> particular name is being used. I am as shocked as the people were
> about "The Final Solution". The New World Order is a term right out
> of the book of Revelation.
Is it? I read Revelation once, and I don't recall that term off-hand
(although it was some time ago)... most likely it depends on what
translation you have.
At any rate, the name is almost certainly intended to refer to the
political catchphrase which was thrown around a couple of years ago,
IMO.
> I understand the significance of the term in the wrestling sense
> (wrestling will no longer be the same), but that term came from a man
> (Hogan) who once compared himself to Jesus Christ.
Just once?
> Moving on to the angle, if the rumors are correct, and Eric forms an
> organization within an WCW, making the claim to the #2 wrestling
> federation in the world, he will achieved his goal in my opinion.
Sounds like a remarkably efficient way to kill a hot angle to me. WCW
did the "dueling federations" not too long ago, and it failed
miserably; I don't expect this would go any differently.
> The battle for supremacy will be fought within WCW, making the WWF
> an afterthought.
A better way to achieve this IMO is to just stick with what they have
now: a bunch of pissed-off ex-WWFers looking to kick some WCW ass.
>[BatB Afterthoughts]
> 2) I thought the trash in the ring was appalling.
> As much as I dislike the $1.49 per minute man, he didn't deserve to
> be pelted with garbage, nor did Hogan.
I suspect the trash-throwing was the work of plants, actually. Anybody
know for sure one way or the other?
> I've got to admit, at first I thought, "Luger's down, he'll return
> as #3, how stupid"
Yep. Excellent fake-out.
swe...@wrestling.microserve.com
je...@clark.net (Jeff Amdur) wrote:
>In article <4s7ivm$h...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
>ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rick Scaia) wrote:
>> This time of chaos will ultimately
>> lead to the Triumphant Return of Hulk Hogan, our Hero and Christ
>> Figure.
>Now more than ever, I'm glad I'm Jewish!
And if Hogan is the embodiement of the modern era Christ, the Bible
has to be one of the greatest pieces of propoganda ever published!
sweetan
Ah, life. Now if only the humans would stop screwing it up.
lbona
gu...@concentric.net (Glen Gum) writes:: > > 2) I thought the trash in the ring was appalling.
: >
: > > As much as I dislike the $1.49 per minute man, he didn't deserve to
: > > be pelted with garbage, nor did Hogan.
: >
: > I suspect the trash-throwing was the work of plants, actually. Anybody
: > know for sure one way or the other?
: It *really* looked worked last night on Nitro. Especially with that guy at
: ringside (at the bottom of the picture) waving his arms; he appeared to be
: giving a signal for the plants to start hurling the debris. And of course,
: there was no visible attempt by security to find and eject the hurlers,
: either.
: GG
The best way to find out would be to go to a WCW card and start throwing
crap in the ring during a Duggan match and see if you can get away with it.
Of course, that would mean giving WCW some of your money. :)
--
Lou Bona
lb...@tgf.tc.faa.gov
tjo...@pelican.com
Bob Barnett <jap...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Glen Gum wrote:
>>
>> Trevor Barrie wrote:
>> > mr...@worldnet.att.net (Mark Bureau) wrote:
>> > > 2) I thought the trash in the ring was appalling.
>> >
>> > > As much as I dislike the $1.49 per minute man, he didn't deserve to
>> > > be pelted with garbage, nor did Hogan.
>> >
>> > I suspect the trash-throwing was the work of plants, actually. Anybody
>> > know for sure one way or the other?
>>
>> It *really* looked worked last night on Nitro. Especially with that guy at
>> ringside (at the bottom of the picture) waving his arms; he appeared to be
>> giving a signal for the plants to start hurling the debris. And of course,
>> there was no visible attempt by security to find and eject the hurlers,
>> either.
>>
>> GG
>And only EMPTY plastic bottles. Bitchoff is already killing the heat.
>And no talking by Diesel or Scarface Jr-brilliant-we're back to
>Hogan repeating himself.
The NWO is already losing steam. Nash and Hall had everyone riled and
ready for a fight, then huckster barges in, taking over. Now Nash and
Hall are playing second fiddle as we get, once again, huckster
speeches. Hall and Nash were much more interesting speeches.
I vote for Hall and Nash to turn on huckster - SOON please. After all,
he is stealing their thunder.
How much longer does Hogan contract last?