Steve Williams blackballed?
Marc Kipnes
States? If so, what for?
Jeff Foy
"Marc Kipnes" <ma...@cris.com> wrote:
>Ok, I missed this one. Did J.R. say that Dr Death was blackballed in the
>States? If so, what for?
He was too good of a wrestler? Too violent? Too neanderthal-ish?
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That would be reason for Jim Ross to declare him blackballed. Ross was a
much better announcer when he was UWF or WCW. Oh well-MHO.
R. Brownstein
> In article <6p5e6a$j...@examiner.concentric.net>,
> "Marc Kipnes" <ma...@cris.com> wrote:
> >Ok, I missed this one. Did J.R. say that Dr Death was blackballed in the
> >States? If so, what for?
>
> He was too good of a wrestler? Too violent? Too neanderthal-ish?
Too content main eventing against top flight talent in AJPW for big
bucks? J.R. was playing with the smarks.
jason m. laughman
> Too content main eventing against top flight talent in AJPW for big
>bucks? J.R. was playing with the smarks.
Bzzzt. Several years ago (15 or so), Dr. Death beat the shit out of a
reporter who asked him if wrestling was fake (this was back before it was
offically admitted). If I remember right, Williams clubbed him in the head
and said something to the effect of "How fake is that?" I think also that
either he or the WWF, maybe both, got sued because of it. Williams promptly
got shitcanned, and the Brawl for All was the first time I've heard of him
back in the USA since then. He could've been wrestling for indies, though;
I don't follow them.
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R. Brownstein
> Dude, on Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:57:06 MST, R. Brownstein <rbph...@u.washington.edu> was all like:
> > Too content main eventing against top flight talent in AJPW for big
> >bucks? J.R. was playing with the smarks.
>
> Bzzzt. Several years ago (15 or so), Dr. Death beat the shit out of a
> reporter who asked him if wrestling was fake (this was back before it was
> offically admitted). If I remember right, Williams clubbed him in the head
> and said something to the effect of "How fake is that?" I think also that
> either he or the WWF, maybe both, got sued because of it. Williams promptly
> got shitcanned, and the Brawl for All was the first time I've heard of him
> back in the USA since then. He could've been wrestling for indies, though;
> I don't follow them.
Wrong Doctor. That is Dr. D David Schultz are talking about. In 1984 I
believe, Dr. D slapped ABC's 20/20 correspondent John Stossel. Schultz was
fired by the WWF, and soon left pro wrestling all together. He went on to
become a professional bounty hunter, and appeared on the infamous Morton
Downry, Jr. Show episode dealing with professional wrestling.
Dr. Death Steve Williams, the former all american football player at
OU, didn't enter pro wrestling until 1983-84. He got started in Bill
Watt's Mid-South region, where Jim Ross worked. Williams wrestled in the
Mid-South region, which eventually become the UWF, through Jim Crockett's
purchase of that company in 1987.
Williams, and Ross, both worked for Crockett's "NWA", through Ted
Turner's buyout of that company in 1989. Williams left the NWA/WCW in
1990, to work Japan almost exclusively. He returned briefly to WCW in the
summer of 1992, when Bill Watts become the booker for the company. He left
WCW at the end of 1992, right before Watts got fired. Jim Ross left WCW in
the early months of 1993, about the time Eric Bischoff was promoted to VP.
Dr. Death Steve Williams had not previously wrestling the WWF until his
debut a few months back in a dark match.
H. Wade Minter
--Wade
jason m. laughman wrote:
> Dude, on Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:57:06 MST, R. Brownstein <rbph...@u.washington.edu> was all like:
> > Too content main eventing against top flight talent in AJPW for big
> >bucks? J.R. was playing with the smarks.
>
> Bzzzt. Several years ago (15 or so), Dr. Death beat the shit out of a
> reporter who asked him if wrestling was fake (this was back before it was
> offically admitted). If I remember right, Williams clubbed him in the head
> and said something to the effect of "How fake is that?" I think also that
> either he or the WWF, maybe both, got sued because of it. Williams promptly
> got shitcanned, and the Brawl for All was the first time I've heard of him
> back in the USA since then. He could've been wrestling for indies, though;
> I don't follow them.
>
jason m. laughman
> Wrong Doctor. That is Dr. D David Schultz are talking about. In 1984 I
Crap. Sorry 'bout that. No wonder I thought Williams looked different
than I remembered. Thanks for the info.
Jack H. Lee
: Actually, it was "Dr. D" David Schultz who beat the tar out of the reporter.
I remember that piece well -- it aired on 20/20 (1985?) and John Stossel
did the reporting. It was a very interesting piece, showing some of the
tricks of the trade (including how blading is done; they also explained
this was why so many wrestlers had loads of scars on their forehead).
Some of the footage also showed Stossel taking different kind of wrestling
falls (body slams, etc.) explaining the choreography behind it.
Anyway, Stossel received two hard slaps to both sides of his ears,
resulting in internal, permanent damage. On the show, after segment was
completed, Stossel was saying how extremely sensitive his hearing had
become, that normal noise (like in the city) was quite harsh to him. I
forgot what the words exchanged were, but Stossel asked a few innocent
questions, and Shultz said it was an elite business, which was why "punks
like [Stossel] and that cameraman" weren't wrestlers. Stossel then said
he thought it was fake, and Schultz said something like "You think it's
fake, huh?" And then that was when he whacked Stossel hard. Schultz then
added insult to injury by saying something like, "That's called a backhand
slap, boy!" At this point, Stossel ran for cover.
Charles C. Herzog
laug...@wutang.acs.ohio-state.edu says...
> Dude, on Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:57:06 MST, R. Brownstein <rbph...@u.washington.edu> was all like:
> > Too content main eventing against top flight talent in AJPW for big
> >bucks? J.R. was playing with the smarks.
>
> Bzzzt. Several years ago (15 or so), Dr. Death beat the shit out of a
> reporter who asked him if wrestling was fake (this was back before it was
> offically admitted). If I remember right, Williams clubbed him in the head
> and said something to the effect of "How fake is that?"
Nope. You're thinking of Dr. D David Schultz, who slapped John Stossel
on 20/20. Aside from it being an entirely different guy, your account is
essentially correct.
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> Bzzzt. Several years ago (15 or so), Dr. Death beat the shit out of a
> reporter who asked him if wrestling was fake (this was back before it was
> offically admitted). If I remember right, Williams clubbed him in the head
> and said something to the effect of "How fake is that?" I think also that
> either he or the WWF, maybe both, got sued because of it. Williams promptly
> got shitcanned, and the Brawl for All was the first time I've heard of him
> back in the USA since then. He could've been wrestling for indies, though;
> I don't follow them.
That was David Schultz, not Steve Williams, and it happened in 1986 I believe. I have the event on
tape and that pussy John Stossel sold those hits on camera like he was hit with an atom bomb.
Barbara WaWa sat there feeling bad for poor John. Schultz was known to be messed up in the head,
and Stossel new that so he provoked him to get a reaction. Then he got his reaction right upside
the head. He got permanent hearing damaged from the incident. It's also the piece with Eddy
Mansfield saying he had to sleep with Pat Patterson to get a push in the company. Extremely
scathing piece of journalism by 20/20 that you would have thought would hurt wrestling but it only
pissed wrestling fans off as 20/20. I remember hearing a story that Jesse Ventura tells that a
couple days after the piece the WWF was expecting a big drop off in business and they ran a
houseshow. When Ventura looked out into the crowd he saw a ton of signs that said, "20/20 Sucks!
WWF Rules!" and the like. Since wrestling is hitting such an upswing now it's almost expected that
some second rate journalist will try and pull something like Stossel did.
SF
Jay Doughty
bag full of various types of steroids and marijuana, along with some
sort of weapon, trying to enter Japan for some shows a couple (5-6?)
years ago. When I say a bag full, he had enough roids to juice the
rosters of every NFL team. It was also about the time of the big
steroid investigation. This info isn't 100%, but the incident resulted
in Williams being punted from U.S. rings.
Jeff Foy wrote:
>
> In article <6p5e6a$j...@examiner.concentric.net>,
> "Marc Kipnes" <ma...@cris.com> wrote:
> >Ok, I missed this one. Did J.R. say that Dr Death was blackballed in the
> >States? If so, what for?
>
> He was too good of a wrestler? Too violent? Too neanderthal-ish?
>
'Mad' Mark Chelap
R. Brownstein <rbph...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> Dr. Death Steve Williams, the former all american football player at
>OU, didn't enter pro wrestling until 1983-84. He got started in Bill
>Watt's Mid-South region, where Jim Ross worked. Williams wrestled in the
>Mid-South region, which eventually become the UWF, through Jim Crockett's
>purchase of that company in 1987.
I'll second that one; Dr. Death only graduated from high school (Lakewood HS,
Lakewood, CO) in 1978. One of my good friends was a freshman at LHS the year
that Doc was a senior, and has shown me his school yearbook to prove it. Add
on the four years he played at OU--and I remember going to a Colorado-Oklahoma
game in Boulder one year and ending up walking right next to him (before they
re-did the locker room building; fans ended up walking across the sides of the
stadium by passing the locker rooms and thus ending up in the lines of players
if timed right). He was one big SOB even in college. A short, unsuccessful
stint trying to make it in the NFL would definitely corrobrate the 1983-84
timeframe of starting in pro wrestling as you say.
I went to a rival high school in Lakewood (western Denver suburbs) about 3-4
miles away; and even though I went to football games my freshman year (I am
the same age as my friend and was also a freshman in '77-78); I don't remember
Williams--granted he wasn't famous yet; but according to stories I've heard
over the years--he was a darn good high school lineman.
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Jay Doughty <doug...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> If memory serves, and it usually does, Williams was busted with a gym
> bag full of various types of steroids and marijuana, along with some
> sort of weapon, trying to enter Japan for some shows a couple (5-6?)
> years ago. When I say a bag full, he had enough roids to juice the
> rosters of every NFL team. It was also about the time of the big
> steroid investigation. This info isn't 100%, but the incident resulted
> in Williams being punted from U.S. rings.
>
My understanding of the situation is as follows: last year, Williams and
another wrestler, returning from Japan, got busted at the Dallas airport with
a load of pharmaceuticals--painkillers and roids. Apparently they copped a
plea or it was thrown out, because hey, Steve Williams isn't in jail.
Chris
> Jeff Foy wrote:
> >
> > In article <6p5e6a$j...@examiner.concentric.net>,
> > "Marc Kipnes" <ma...@cris.com> wrote:
> > >Ok, I missed this one. Did J.R. say that Dr Death was blackballed in the
> > >States? If so, what for?
> >
> > He was too good of a wrestler? Too violent? Too neanderthal-ish?
> >
> > --
> > Woman was created from the rib of man; Not from his head to be thought of
> > only, nor from his hand to be owned, nor from his foot to be beneath, but
> > from under his arm to be protected, from his side to be equal, and from
his
> > heart to be loved. . .
>
>
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