Any of the wagering sites have RR odds yet?
Corby Gilmore
> I want to laugh at any non-lonshot odds for anyone winning the
> rumble other than Benoit, Angle, or Goldberg.
Benoit wins; Heyman finds a way to screw him out of the title shot;
Benoit goes to RAW and upsets HHH at Wrestlemania; meanwhile, Lesnar
retires Goldberg.
> The only other two that are conceivable are Orton and Cena, but I
> don't see either of them main eventing a WrestleMania while they're
> still so green.
>
> WorldWager.com doesn't have any prop bets up yet for Royal Rumble.
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Mark Rosendorf
Hack-Man wrote:
> I want to laugh at any non-lonshot odds for anyone winning the
> rumble other than Benoit, Angle, or Goldberg.
I think Benoit and Angle are long-shots as well...I think this is all
geared towards Goldberg winning...getting an early title shot, winning
the belt from HHH and then using his Wrestlemania match to challenge Lesner.
Mark
Buse
> geared towards Goldberg winning...getting an early title shot, winning
> the belt from HHH and then using his Wrestlemania match to challenge Lesner.
>
> Mark
I see Benoit winning it, going the distance, in the same way Michaels
got immediately elevated to a top tier, permanent status. Goldberg
getting #30 nearly insured that he won't win the Rumble. The key to
getting the Rumble over, is to have someone win, or nearly win, from
the first 5 or so. It makes for a scenario in which the crowd can
begin to cheer the individual lasting the longest. It, IMO, would be
the only way to solidify a major push for Benoit. I can't see Angle
winning, as it appears the only match in which he could get, in
return, would be Lesnar again, or HHH. I doubt they'll run back to
back ME's, as Angle/Lesnar doesn't have the mystique Rock/Austin did,
and Angle won't be moved off SD. Goldberg can still challenge Lesnar,
if they tie in some sort of face to face confrontation during the
Rumble card itself.
Wouldn't be shocked to see Goldberg win, just think it's Benoit's time
for a legitimate push...and it's being geard that way.
Buse
Mark Rosendorf
Buse wrote:
>>I think Benoit and Angle are long-shots as well...I think this is all
>>geared towards Goldberg winning...getting an early title shot, winning
>>the belt from HHH and then using his Wrestlemania match to challenge Lesner.
>>
>>Mark
>
>
> I see Benoit winning it, going the distance, in the same way Michaels
> got immediately elevated to a top tier, permanent status. Goldberg
> getting #30 nearly insured that he won't win the Rumble.
Because it's never happened? All the more reason it will...ESPECIALLY if
the commentators bring up (at any point) that no one who has gotten
number 30 can win the Rumble.
Also, 30 makes sense for Goldberg, considering he probably couldn't go
any further before getting winded.
The key to
> getting the Rumble over, is to have someone win, or nearly win, from
> the first 5 or so.
That has happened in the past...but Benoit could also make it to number
25 or even the last group of wrestlers left in the ring and be huge (all
the while teasing that he'll win). He doesn't necessarily have to win to
go over.
It makes for a scenario in which the crowd can
> begin to cheer the individual lasting the longest. It, IMO, would be
> the only way to solidify a major push for Benoit.
While I'd like to see a major push for Benoit as well, I just don't see
that push starting with the Main Event of Wrestlemania 20.
I can't see Angle
> winning, as it appears the only match in which he could get, in
> return, would be Lesnar again, or HHH. I doubt they'll run back to
> back ME's, as Angle/Lesnar doesn't have the mystique Rock/Austin did,
> and Angle won't be moved off SD.
I agree 100 percent with this.
Goldberg can still challenge Lesnar,
> if they tie in some sort of face to face confrontation during the
> Rumble card itself.
>
It's Wrestlemania 20...supposedly the biggest one (since the last one
and until the next one). You want to put the BIGGEST match you can as
the headliner....or at least the most intriging. IMO, the best bet would
be the RAW champion vs the Smackdown champion, as they can say it's been
building since the brand extension began.
Plus they already started the inner workings of Lesner/Goldberg when
they had that face to face confrontation a few PPV's ago.
Also, since they've never faced before, it adds some intrigue to the
Wrestlemania main event.
> Wouldn't be shocked to see Goldberg win, just think it's Benoit's time
> for a legitimate push...and it's being geard that way.
>
Again, most likely wishful thinking...the WWE really doesn't seem too
hyped towards pushing Benoit even to the world title, let alone the
Wrestlemania Main Event. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see it
too...I happen to agree with you that Benoit's huge push is LONG overdue
(in fact, the right moment for it may have even passed) but I don't know
if now's when they'd do it, especially when there's really no heat
behind Benoit/Lesner (which is primarily due to them rushing through it
on Smackdown then moving Benoit to a feud with the FBI) and going into
Wrestlemania, they need a main event that will excite fans...PLUS bring
in outside viewers. I don't think they can build Benoit that quick.
That's what I think, at least.
And I'm also very keen on the idea of Champion vs Champion :)
Mark
Buse
> the commentators bring up (at any point) that no one who has gotten
> number 30 can win the Rumble.
I just think it demeans the entire concept of the Royal Rumble, if you
have someone come in _last_, and win the entire event. I think it
would set the event back several years, in fact...basically making the
entire point of watching the _entire_ Rumble, useless.
> That has happened in the past...but Benoit could also make it to number
> 25 or even the last group of wrestlers left in the ring and be huge (all
> the while teasing that he'll win). He doesn't necessarily have to win to
> go over.
I agree with this.
> While I'd like to see a major push for Benoit as well, I just don't see
> that push starting with the Main Event of Wrestlemania 20.
I see it happening week after week Mark, you really don't? The #1
slot, starting to attack the GM/Owner, getting cheap crowd pops.
Heyman alligning himself with Lesnar, as his protector? Simple, Benoit
wins, they mention how Brock tapped, and Heyman doesn't allow him to
even get close to Lesnar, and ships him off to RAW.
> Goldberg can still challenge Lesnar,
> > if they tie in some sort of face to face confrontation during the
> > Rumble card itself.
> >
>
> It's Wrestlemania 20...supposedly the biggest one (since the last one
> and until the next one). You want to put the BIGGEST match you can as
> the headliner....or at least the most intriging. IMO, the best bet would
> be the RAW champion vs the Smackdown champion, as they can say it's been
> building since the brand extension began.
I think the titles being a part of Lesnar/Goldberg has little to do
with how big it really is. The championship has been whored around so
often, few fans truly latch on to the concept and adore it, thirsting
to see a winner.
> Plus they already started the inner workings of Lesner/Goldberg when
> they had that face to face confrontation a few PPV's ago.
Still can happen...just not title vs. title. Essentially, if you do
that, you only have one champion...period.
> Also, since they've never faced before, it adds some intrigue to the
> Wrestlemania main event.
> Again, most likely wishful thinking...the WWE really doesn't seem too
> hyped towards pushing Benoit even to the world title, let alone the
> Wrestlemania Main Event. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see it
> too...I happen to agree with you that Benoit's huge push is LONG overdue
> (in fact, the right moment for it may have even passed) but I don't know
> if now's when they'd do it, especially when there's really no heat
> behind Benoit/Lesner (which is primarily due to them rushing through it
> on Smackdown then moving Benoit to a feud with the FBI) and going into
> Wrestlemania, they need a main event that will excite fans...PLUS bring
> in outside viewers. I don't think they can build Benoit that quick.
> That's what I think, at least.
>
> And I'm also very keen on the idea of Champion vs Champion :)
I think that sums that up :)
It's not wishful thinking, it's quite logical, actually.
Buse
Mark Rosendorf
Buse wrote:
>
>
> I just think it demeans the entire concept of the Royal Rumble, if you
> have someone come in _last_, and win the entire event. I think it
> would set the event back several years, in fact...basically making the
> entire point of watching the _entire_ Rumble, useless.
>
On the other hand, it'll promote the idea of getting number 30 being
important, so when they start having matches next year to see who gets
number 30, they can promote until we all get sick that the number 30 guy
won it this year.
btw, I can also see this coming down to #1 vs #30. THAT hasn't happened
yet.
> I agree with this.
>
>
>>While I'd like to see a major push for Benoit as well, I just don't see
>>that push starting with the Main Event of Wrestlemania 20.
>
>
> I see it happening week after week Mark, you really don't? The #1
> slot, starting to attack the GM/Owner, getting cheap crowd pops.
> Heyman alligning himself with Lesnar, as his protector? Simple, Benoit
> wins, they mention how Brock tapped, and Heyman doesn't allow him to
> even get close to Lesnar, and ships him off to RAW.
>
Now let me ask you this, Buse, do you really see WWE giving Benoit (a
guy they got from WCW) a feat out-doing one of their legends? (aka Shawn
Michaels). When Michaels came in at number one and won the whole thing,
the Rumble entrants were 1 minute per. (which was lame, but that's
besides the point :)).
Now, has it been stated if the Rumble this year will be the usual 2
minutes per? If so, and Benoit starts from 1 and wins it, that pretty
much wipes away the immensity of Michaels doing it last time at one
minute intervals. Would Vince, who wouldn't do anything to take away WWE
superiority, do that??
>
>> Goldberg can still challenge Lesnar,
>>
>>>if they tie in some sort of face to face confrontation during the
>>>Rumble card itself.
>>>
>>
>>It's Wrestlemania 20...supposedly the biggest one (since the last one
>>and until the next one). You want to put the BIGGEST match you can as
>>the headliner....or at least the most intriging. IMO, the best bet would
>>be the RAW champion vs the Smackdown champion, as they can say it's been
>>building since the brand extension began.
>
>
> I think the titles being a part of Lesnar/Goldberg has little to do
> with how big it really is. The championship has been whored around so
> often, few fans truly latch on to the concept and adore it, thirsting
> to see a winner.
>
I think there's enough fans out there that still thinks having the title
truly means something. And title for title certainly sounds better then
"co-main event" :)
>
>>Plus they already started the inner workings of Lesner/Goldberg when
>>they had that face to face confrontation a few PPV's ago.
>
>
> Still can happen...just not title vs. title. Essentially, if you do
> that, you only have one champion...period.
>
Exactly. One champion. And the opportunity to make that title mean
something forms...One champion, two leagues, everyone wants that spot,
being the champion suddenly becomes VERY prestigious...to BOTH
extensions. Plus one face that truly represents the WWE.
Remember what made The NWA title so prestigious and important? The fact
that it was defended in many areas (here, there would only be two
though) and everyone wants that shot to become the man wrestling in all
those areas revolves around. First it was Harley Race going around
defending in all those different regions and areas...and then one of
those challengers from an area beat him...that being Ric Flair.
It made for a great story, it still could. And if it proves to be a
failure, you could always have him lose one of those belts on it's show
(for example, lose the RAW belt on RAW, thus champion sticks with
Smackdown, nothing lost).
>
>>Again, most likely wishful thinking...the WWE really doesn't seem too
>>hyped towards pushing Benoit even to the world title, let alone the
>>Wrestlemania Main Event. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see it
>>too...I happen to agree with you that Benoit's huge push is LONG overdue
>>(in fact, the right moment for it may have even passed) but I don't know
>>if now's when they'd do it, especially when there's really no heat
>>behind Benoit/Lesner (which is primarily due to them rushing through it
>>on Smackdown then moving Benoit to a feud with the FBI) and going into
>>Wrestlemania, they need a main event that will excite fans...PLUS bring
>>in outside viewers. I don't think they can build Benoit that quick.
>>That's what I think, at least.
>>
>>And I'm also very keen on the idea of Champion vs Champion :)
>
>
> I think that sums that up :)
>
> It's not wishful thinking, it's quite logical, actually.
>
I guess that's up to Vince and if HIS love for Benoit matches yours. :)
Mark
Mark Rosendorf
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <nshQb.139462$4F2.16...@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
> Mark Rosendorf <mrose...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Now let me ask you this, Buse, do you really see WWE giving Benoit (a
>>guy they got from WCW) a feat out-doing one of their legends? (aka
>>Shawn Michaels).
>
>
> They got Michaels from AWA.
But he was a WWE star. They got HHH from WCW, but he wasn't a star when
they got him.
Chris Benoit was a star when they signed him. WWE didn't make him one.
That's the difference between a homemade star and bought talent...and
bought talent will NEVER be allowed to one-up homemade stars.
>
>
>>>Still can happen...just not title vs. title. Essentially, if you do
>>>that, you only have one champion...period.
>>
>>Exactly. One champion. And the opportunity to make that title mean
>>something forms...One champion, two leagues, everyone wants that spot,
>>being the champion suddenly becomes VERY prestigious...to BOTH
>>extensions. Plus one face that truly represents the WWE.
>
>
> That's what they did with the brand expansion; the Undisputed Champion
> (and the Women's Champion) defended in both brands.
I know...and I liked that much better then the dual champions.
To me, having dual champions is always for the sake of the inevitable
champion vs champion.
Mark
Jamie Rosen
> In article <b0a0889f.04012...@posting.google.com>,
> cb...@hotmail.com (Buse) wrote:
>
>> I just think it demeans the entire concept of the Royal Rumble, if
>> you have someone come in _last_, and win the entire event. I think it
>> would set the event back several years, in fact...basically making
>> the entire point of watching the _entire_ Rumble, useless.
>
> otherwise, getting the last number becomes meaningless.
Triple H won from 22 or so (I'm counting backwards from a results page, so
I may be slightly off.)
Last year, Brock was #29 and won. So, just in the last two years late
entries have one.
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> guy they got from WCW) a feat out-doing one of their legends? (aka Shawn
> Michaels). When Michaels came in at number one and won the whole thing,
> the Rumble entrants were 1 minute per. (which was lame, but that's
> besides the point :)).
Yes, a million times yes. It's not a feat that's somehow held in the
LORE of the WWE. It's not a HIAC match, involving Scotty 2 Hotty and
someone spare. This is Benoit, a widely respected competitor from a
fan's standpoint, and I'd have to think he's widely respected within
the company as well.
> Now, has it been stated if the Rumble this year will be the usual 2
> minutes per? If so, and Benoit starts from 1 and wins it, that pretty
> much wipes away the immensity of Michaels doing it last time at one
> minute intervals. Would Vince, who wouldn't do anything to take away WWE
> superiority, do that??
What does where Benoit used to work have to do with anything, Mark? He
originally started in the E, and went onward. I think you're putting
too much emphasis behind the WCW thing.
> I think there's enough fans out there that still thinks having the title
> truly means something. And title for title certainly sounds better then
> "co-main event" :)
Not really. It sold very well last year, and as someone that was
actually there, _in_ Seattle, the entire crowd, I kid you not,
couldn't really care less about any other match, but Hogan/Vince. It
was very ridiculous. Fans want different things for different reasons.
> Exactly. One champion. And the opportunity to make that title mean
> something forms...One champion, two leagues, everyone wants that spot,
> being the champion suddenly becomes VERY prestigious...to BOTH
> extensions. Plus one face that truly represents the WWE.
You kill the brand extension. You absolutely destroy the entire
premise behind it. I can't see them doing that, Mark, just can't.
> Remember what made The NWA title so prestigious and important? The fact
> that it was defended in many areas (here, there would only be two
> though) and everyone wants that shot to become the man wrestling in all
> those areas revolves around. First it was Harley Race going around
> defending in all those different regions and areas...and then one of
> those challengers from an area beat him...that being Ric Flair.
That was pre-tv, er go, completely baseless in comparison with the
business today. People can see each, on TV, while as back in the day,
when the champ came to town,that was the only time you got to see him.
> I guess that's up to Vince and if HIS love for Benoit matches yours. :)
>
> Mark
I actually only respect Benoit's inring ability. I think the character
is horrid, and he's always needed a mouthpiece. Personally, I think
it's just his time, really...that's all.
Buse
Brett Mount
<re: Michaels>
}But he was a WWE star. They got HHH from WCW, but he wasn't a star when
}they got him.
}
}Chris Benoit was a star when they signed him. WWE didn't make him one.
}That's the difference between a homemade star and bought talent...and
}bought talent will NEVER be allowed to one-up homemade stars.
I seem to recall Goldberg getting a reasonable title run (Flair, too, back
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> Yes, a million times yes. It's not a feat that's somehow held in the
> LORE of the WWE. It's not a HIAC match, involving Scotty 2 Hotty and
> someone spare. This is Benoit, a widely respected competitor from a
> fan's standpoint, and I'd have to think he's widely respected within
> the company as well.
"Widely respected" will job to "asses in seats" every time. Benoit couldn't
put asses in seats if he was handing out underwear. Respect or no respect.
If he gets anything, it'll only be transitional in nature. He won't hold
anything for any length of time because as an overall performer, he doesn't
sell tickets. Again, respect or no respect.
Ed Murphy
>> Exactly. One champion. And the opportunity to make that title mean
>> something forms...One champion, two leagues, everyone wants that spot,
>> being the champion suddenly becomes VERY prestigious...to BOTH
>> extensions. Plus one face that truly represents the WWE.
>
> You kill the brand extension. You absolutely destroy the entire
> premise behind it. I can't see them doing that, Mark, just can't.
How does this kill the brand extension? They used to have an
undisputed champ; this would take them back to that status.
> I actually only respect Benoit's inring ability. I think the character
> is horrid, and he's always needed a mouthpiece. Personally, I think it's
> just his time, really...that's all.
Oh, I dunno, I thought the "prove me wrong" heel run was pretty good.
Mark Rosendorf
Brett Mount wrote:
>
> I seem to recall Goldberg getting a reasonable title run (Flair, too, back
> in the day), and they'd hardly meet the definition of home-grown.
>
To you Brett, and to Buse...go check out this week's Wrestlecrap entry
on the WWF vs WCW "Invasion" angle. There's a lot in there that explains
EXACTLY why I don't think Vince McMahon or his writers would have Benoit
start at 1 and win the Rumble outright.
It gives a good perspective on how Vince treats homegrown talent vs
outside guys....and Benoit IS an outside guy brought in, hardly a talent
created by the WWE.
Here's the URL - http://www.wrestlecrap.com/invasion.html
Mark
Mark Rosendorf
Krusty wrote:
Exactly. I agree 100 percent with Buse that Benoit has GREAT in-ring
ability...hell, he could wrestle CIRCLES around Goldberg and deserves a
world title push, probably more then Goldberg does!!
But in the end, who's merchandise will sell better?
Who will the crowd chant for if it came down to those two?
I was recently at a shoot interview with Jim Cornette and he talked
about Bart Gunn (remember, winner of the tough man contest?) According
to Cornette -
"Bart Gunn is the toughest guy in the WWE. He could put Steve Austin,
and Steve will admit it, through this table in front of me with ease.
But, the fans don't want Bart Gunn to be the toughest guy in the WWE,
they want it to be Stone Cold".
I think that's relevent here, too.
Mark
vj...@ev1.net
X-To: Benoit
K> "Widely respected" will job to "asses in seats" every time.
K> Benoit couldn't put asses in seats if he was handing out underwear.
K> Respect or no respect.
Disagree. He may not be a big draw on his own, but combined with the
likes of Malenko or Jericho he produces some of the most watchable
matches in the whole company.
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Krusty
> Exactly. I agree 100 percent with Buse that Benoit has GREAT in-ring
> ability...hell, he could wrestle CIRCLES around Goldberg and deserves a
> world title push, probably more then Goldberg does!!
>
> But in the end, who's merchandise will sell better?
>
> Who will the crowd chant for if it came down to those two?
>
> I was recently at a shoot interview with Jim Cornette and he talked
> about Bart Gunn (remember, winner of the tough man contest?) According
> to Cornette -
>
> "Bart Gunn is the toughest guy in the WWE. He could put Steve Austin,
> and Steve will admit it, through this table in front of me with ease.
> But, the fans don't want Bart Gunn to be the toughest guy in the WWE,
> they want it to be Stone Cold".
>
> I think that's relevent here, too.
Exactly. It's how professional wrestling works.
Mark Rosendorf
vj...@ev1.net wrote:
> X-From: vj...@NOUCE.ev1.net (Dr Pepper)
>
> X-To: Benoit
>
>
> K> "Widely respected" will job to "asses in seats" every time.
> K> Benoit couldn't put asses in seats if he was handing out underwear.
> K> Respect or no respect.
>
> Disagree. He may not be a big draw on his own, but combined with the
> likes of Malenko or Jericho he produces some of the most watchable
> matches in the whole company.
>
But unfortunately, those are the most watchable matches for US, an older
group who appreciates good athletic skill and ability in the ring.
And we are NOT the target audience for the WWE...because we don't buy
the foam hands, the Hulk Hogan teddy bears, the action figures and the
t-shirts.
That honor belongs to the little kids who say "Daddy, buy me the Stone
Cold sweatband". And that's who the WWE targets with their decisions,
the ones who earn them the most money and that money comes from the kids.
Mark
Brett Mount
}To you Brett, and to Buse...go check out this week's Wrestlecrap entry
}on the WWF vs WCW "Invasion" angle. There's a lot in there that explains
}EXACTLY why I don't think Vince McMahon or his writers would have Benoit
}start at 1 and win the Rumble outright.
}
}It gives a good perspective on how Vince treats homegrown talent vs
}outside guys....and Benoit IS an outside guy brought in, hardly a talent
}created by the WWE.
}
}Here's the URL - http://www.wrestlecrap.com/invasion.html
Vince is, by all accounts, a vindictive man who likes nothing better than
seeing his enemies ground into the dirt and hearing the lamentations of
their women (or something like that).
However, he's also a businessman, and *somebody* needs to win the Rumble.
Take Benoit out, and you're left with Goldberg as the next most likely
candidate- a character created entirely by WCW.
Further down the probability list, you get the home-grown Angle, Orton, and
Cena, none of whom seem likely to show up at a WMXX main event.
Still, there's only a few more hours until the matter is put to rest. <G>
Mark Rosendorf
Brett Mount wrote:
> However, he's also a businessman, and *somebody* needs to win the Rumble.
> Take Benoit out, and you're left with Goldberg as the next most likely
> candidate- a character created entirely by WCW.
>
Winning the Royal Rumble, thoug, isn't a big deal historically. It
doesn't break any records. But winning it from number one is. That
breaks records. They'll let a WCW guy win the Rumble...but they won't
let him break the record of a WWE legend like Shawn Michaels.
But as you said, we'll find out soon :)
Mark
Joseph W. Casey
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:04:53 -0600, Buse wrote:
>
>>> Exactly. One champion. And the opportunity to make that title mean
>>> something forms...One champion, two leagues, everyone wants that spot,
>>> being the champion suddenly becomes VERY prestigious...to BOTH
>>> extensions. Plus one face that truly represents the WWE.
>>
>> You kill the brand extension. You absolutely destroy the entire
>> premise behind it. I can't see them doing that, Mark, just can't.
Sort of the way having one World Series kills baseball? have the Main
Title disputed only at the four major pay per views with the champ on his
show between times. For example if HHHHHHHHHHH wins then the title stays
on Raw or if Lesner wins it stays on Smackdown until the next go round
when the champ of the other brand fights the main champ.
Joseph
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Mark Rosendorf
Buse wrote:
> "I told you so"
>
>
> Buse
>
Yes, you did. I'm admitadely surprised, because now it's "Shawn who?"
when it comes to Royal Rumble history.
But it looks like i'll get my Goldberg/Lesner match at Wrestlemania
anyways...so i'm cool with it :)
All and all, an excellent PPV.
Mark
Brett Mount
}Winning the Royal Rumble, thoug, isn't a big deal historically. It
}doesn't break any records. But winning it from number one is. That
}breaks records. They'll let a WCW guy win the Rumble...but they won't
}let him break the record of a WWE legend like Shawn Michaels.
I didn't see it so much in terms of a Rumble win- since the WWF brought in
that very ill-concieved stipulation, the Rumble has been about who can
headline Wrestlemania.
This year, being WM XX, your Rumble winner was going to be in a
particularly bright spotlight in two months.
Brett Mount
<snip: re Rumble result>
}I'm admitadely surprised, because now it's "Shawn who?"
}when it comes to Royal Rumble history.
Nah, Michaels' legacy is safe- he did it *first*.
We still remember Hillary and Tenzing, after all, despite Everest being
climbed by girl guide troops and the like these days.
The Truth That You All Fear
nudity and HLA, necrophilia and all the cussing. You are wrong.. very
wrong. it all sells on who is the top with teens. and John Cena is a
perfect example of what WWE likes
Mark Rosendorf
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <MPG.1a7fb0822...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
> Brett Mount <nos_p_a_m...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>}I'm admitadely surprised, because now it's "Shawn who?"
>>}when it comes to Royal Rumble history.
>>
>>Nah, Michaels' legacy is safe- he did it *first*.
>
>
> When they announced that the new entrants would come in at 90-second
> intervals, I thought "Well, that's one way to preserve Michaels' legacy;
> he did it for an hour, but Benoit will do it in only 45 minutes."
When Michaels did it, the intervals were 1 minute each...Michaels only
did it for thirty minutes. So Benoit has surpassed Michaels by going 45
minutes.
. He still missed beating Flair's
> longevity record of 64 minutes, though. I don't know whether he was in
> the ring longer than Michaels...
>
He was...by A LOT.
About 25 minutes more.
Mark
Mark Rosendorf
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <qX6Rb.270424$0P1.1...@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
> Mark Rosendorf <mrose...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Unless Goldberg and the WWE renew their contract, Lesnar is going to
> bury Goldberg.
>
They have PLENTY of time, i'm sure that'll happen sooner or later...
Mark
Jamie Rosen
> In article <MPG.1a7fb0822...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
> Brett Mount <nos_p_a_m...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> }when it comes to Royal Rumble history.
>>
>> Nah, Michaels' legacy is safe- he did it *first*.
>
> intervals, I thought "Well, that's one way to preserve Michaels' legacy;
> he did it for an hour, but Benoit will do it in only 45 minutes."
Michaels did it with intervals of 1 minute, actually.