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Bob

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Aug 27, 2009, 2:49:12 PM8/27/09
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Does the infield fly rule apply to a ball that looks like it will land
in foul territory? After all, it could still bounce INTO the diamond,
although that'd be rare considering the backspin pop flies tend to
have.

Bob in the Bronx

Erick T. Barkhuis

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Aug 27, 2009, 3:05:36 PM8/27/09
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Bob:

Your question is almost the correct answer. :-)
Yes, the infield fly rule applies, but only if it becomes a fair ball.
That's why umpires in the old days used to call "infield fly if fair".

Of course, if the ball is caught, it's moot anyway. Only if the ball is
dropped untouched and rolls fair, it's still an infield fly. That's why
it should be called anyway.

Most umpires won't call it if chances are 1 to a million that it will
roll fair. And no fielder will drop it untouched if chances are that
slim.


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Erick

Irishmafia

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Sep 13, 2009, 11:55:08 AM9/13/09
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On Aug 27, 3:05�pm, Erick T. Barkhuis <erick.use-...@ardane.c-o-m>
wrote:

> Bob:
>
> > Does the infield fly rule apply to a ball that looks like it will land
> > in foul territory? �After all, it could still bounce INTO the diamond,
> > although that'd be rare considering the backspin pop flies tend to
> > have.
>
> Your question is almost the correct answer. :-)
> Yes, the infield fly rule applies, but only if it becomes a fair ball.
> That's why umpires in the old days used to call "infield fly if fair".
>

Good umpires still do.

> Of course, if the ball is caught, it's moot anyway. Only if the ball is
> dropped untouched and rolls fair, it's still an infield fly. That's why
> it should be called anyway.
>
> Most umpires won't call it if chances are 1 to a million that it will
> roll fair. And no fielder will drop it untouched if chances are that
> slim.
>

Well, that depends on the game and situation. In slow pitch softball,
the batter is out on a 3rd strike foul, so it is quite possible a
player may let it drop untouched, But if it is near the line, the
better touch it after it lands in foul territory or they have a
problem
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> Erick

Erick T. Barkhuis

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Sep 13, 2009, 12:37:19 PM9/13/09
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Irishmafia:
> On Aug 27, 3:05?pm, Erick T. Barkhuis <erick.use-...@ardane.c-o-m>

> wrote:
> > Bob:
> >
> > > Does the infield fly rule apply to a ball that looks like it will land
> > > in foul territory? ?After all, it could still bounce INTO the diamond,

> > > although that'd be rare considering the backspin pop flies tend to
> > > have.
> >
> > Your question is almost the correct answer. :-)
> > Yes, the infield fly rule applies, but only if it becomes a fair ball.
> > That's why umpires in the old days used to call "infield fly if fair".
> >
>
> Good umpires still do.

Not over here, they don't anymore. There's no value in yelling "if
fair", because that's simply the rule.

If a pitcher balks, you will simply yell "that's a balk", without
adding "However, if the batter reaches......". Such addition would be
superfluous.
Exactly so in the case of an Infield fly. The "if fair" phrase doesn't
add anything, and modern umpires won't yell that anymore.


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Erick

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