SL1050 Loses badly (Lake Lewisville)
Larry KN4IM
FSX...@prodigy.com (James Crone) wrote:
>
> In real world informal drag races 2 seperate Polaris SL1050
>watercraft failed to hit the now infamous 60+ mph that has been posted
>here. My turn key mule (1996 Kawasaki 1100ZXi) which has a "couple" of
>bolt-ons (Pro-Design head with low 33cc domes, water by-pass, Vilder
>(test units) flame arresters, modified waterbox, extended turn nozzle and
>modified stock impeller) beat both of those SL1050's EASILY. Just to let
>you know, this test mule has about 8 hours on it and radars consistant 60.
>7 mph in smooth water. I didn't radar the Polaris vehicles, but they both
>were about 8-10 lengths behind me after about 1/4 mile. I even
>holeshotted them though not by much. For comparison there were 3 96' XPs
>there and the SL1050's could beat them by a couple of lengths even out of
>the hole.....Both guys were using their trim properly...EDDY, what gives?
>
>
>James Crone
>Performance Engineering
>817-321-5865
>
James, have you seen the shootout in April's Watercraft World? The
riders mentioned in the evaluation that the Polaris scared them at 60
acting "funny". Maybe your guy was afraid of it at that speed!
Larry.
James Crone
RickI11zxi
James, you referred to a turn nozzle....which one? advantages, etc..
thanks!
D.Young
This does not surprise me, Polaris is an inferior product, and built by
a snowmobile manufacturer at that....
Dan
Christopher Paull
In article <3333C2...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, "D.Young"
<jtsk...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> writes:
|>
|>
|> This does not surprise me, Polaris is an inferior product, and built by
|> a snowmobile manufacturer at that....
|>
|> Dan
What kind of MORONIC response is that?
For you to make baseless comments like this is just plain stupid.
Polaris isn't quite up to snuff in one test result and you
generalize this to mean that it is inferior???
Bombardier, Artco, and Yamaha also manufacture snomobiles, does
that make them inferior?
The test results on the Polaris so far seem to be anywhere from
59 to 64 MPH in top speed... I think it would be interesting
to understand why there is such a large variance...
Maybe the Polaris is amazingly fast on flat water, but really
loses it in the choppy stuff, (as Mark W. suggested).
Personally, I thin that Polaris has come a long way since
their original water craft. There stuff is very comparable
to the other brands today...
--
Chris Paull -- cpa...@mti.sgi.com --
http://reality.sgi.com/employees/cpaull
USPS: MIPS Technologies, Inc. 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd.
P.O. Box 7311 M/S 10L-175 MountainView, CA 94039-7311
PHONE: (415)-933-4424 VOICE: "Yo, Chris!" -- Standard Disclaimer --
"Mere words do not suffice, to understand you must experience."
James Crone
Mark,
You have a stroker motor in your ZXi? Are you
turning 7100 rpm on your stock tach? They are severely off by at LEAST
500 rpms sometimes more. The motor that was in my boat has a 5mm stroker
crank 80mm pistons like stock. turns 7100-7200 rpms with the Solas X
impeller. This engine "loves" running at this rpm. The only difference is
that you are running a stock hull and I was using a modified Fiberworks
hull. (120 pounds lighter) When I set this hull up for "speed" I made
some changes in the hull configuration to get more speed out of it. Ride
plate, choice of sponsans (and more importantly placement) can make a big
difference in peak speeds. I'm sure my combination is much different from
most ZXi owners! :) As well, totally different pump, extended nozzle,
intake grate and venturi combination. You'll find that you can only go so
fast with the stock set-up. Besides that, even boats with the same mods
can differ as much as 1-2 mph even at the same rpm (this has more to do
with pump efficiency than anything else as well as state of tune/rider
experience).
As for the pump problem on the SL1050's? They
have been serviced. Lake Cities has radared 2-3 of these boats and peak
speeds have been in the 58-59 mph range. Actually they say the SLX Pro is
a mph faster and gets there much quicker. Who knows? I suspect they might
go faster with more time, but not 3-4 mph. It takes a hell of alot of
horsepower to see that kind of peak speeds. I'll be picking up my SL1050
in a couple of days. I'll be happier if it goes as fast as everyone is
saying!
James Crone
Larry,
Both the Polaris SL1050 riders were full on it! One guy was
pissed and took the boat back to the dealer right up the street (I saw
him as I was leaving the lake).
As for the water conditions, they were slightly choppy....
I thought I would get beat! I'm sure I will see some more SL1050's at the
lake on Sunday. Since I'm getting one, I was hoping they would run as
well as everyone says.... But now I'm not too sure.
D.Young
Polaris' main source of income is snowmobiles, and they are not even
close to being the top contender in that field. Yamaha and Bomdardier
blow them away in sales. Let's not even talk about Artco... Yamaha,
first and foremost is a bike manufacturer, with quite a large R&D team
and the cash to back them in the pwc field. They make quite a nice
watercraft watercraft; it would appear that they know their shit. And,
if market-share is any indicator, it appears I'm correct on that point.
Bombardier on the other hand is not solely a snowmobile manufacturer,
they also make corporate jets and a good deal of heavy eauipment. They,
like Yamaha, have other interest besides snowmobile, and a GREAT deal of
$$$$$$$ for research and development of watercraft. I have owned
Sea-doos and Yamahas in the past, even a Kawasaki, and one thing was
apparent in these skis and that was quality.
I've looked at the Polaris boats and I've even ridden them, they are
crap. The styling on these pwc is extremely dated, they're just plain
ugly. They are put together very cheaply. The 1050 that I rode was
fast but it took it's time getting there. At speed, the handling was a
joke; unresponsive would be an understatement, and talk about squirly,
this thing couldn't hold a line for shit. Polaris is simply a company
that is trying to cover its ass by selling pwc in the summer month while
snowmobile sales are down. If they want to get into the pwc market they
need to spend a good deal of cash and develop a pwc that is comparable
with skis that are already out there.
Dan
p.s. the wetbike was a fast boat for it's time, look at it now...
Rob
James are you saying that your 1100ZXI does 67MPH in smooth water?
Kind of strange when a Group K modified 1100ZXI with porting,head work,
carb work, cooling work + a prop change will only to 63MPH on a good day.
What type of Radar Gun are you using????
Regards,
Rob
WAVERAIDER OWNERS' CLUBHOUSE
E-Mail real...@li.net
Website http://www.spec.net/home/raider
D.Young <jtsk...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<3333C2...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>...
> James Crone wrote:
> >
> > In real world informal drag races 2 seperate Polaris
SL1050
> > watercraft failed to hit the now infamous 60+ mph that has been posted
> > here. My turn key mule (1996 Kawasaki 1100ZXi) which has a "couple" of
> > bolt-ons (Pro-Design head with low 33cc domes, water by-pass, Vilder
> > (test units) flame arresters, modified waterbox, extended turn nozzle
and
> > modified stock impeller) beat both of those SL1050's EASILY. Just to
let
> > you know, this test mule has about 8 hours on it and radars consistant
60.
> > 7 mph in smooth water. I didn't radar the Polaris vehicles, but they
both
> > were about 8-10 lengths behind me after about 1/4 mile. I even
> > holeshotted them though not by much. For comparison there were 3 96'
XPs
> > there and the SL1050's could beat them by a couple of lengths even out
of
> > the hole.....Both guys were using their trim properly...EDDY, what
gives?
> >
> > James Crone
> > Performance Engineering
> > 817-321-5865
>
>
Edward Szewczyk
I expect your going to be a very happy camper.....EDDIE.
Edward Szewczyk
James,
I await your post in the next few days. Trim position at level to
1 1/2 bars up, glass water, 6480-6540 RPM, = 63-64MPH (unless you weigh
400 lbs.). .............EDDIE.
Christopher Paull
In article <5h2e3t$13...@newssvr02-int.news.prodigy.com>,
FSX...@prodigy.com (James Crone) writes:
|>
|>
|> As for the pump problem on the SL1050's? They
|> have been serviced. Lake Cities has radared 2-3 of these boats and peak
|> |> speeds have been in the 58-59 mph range.
What is the difference between Lake Cities Test results and
TOP Gun's Test results? There is a 5MPH descrepancy...
(Ed, James, Anyone got any ideas?)
This seems to be a bit more than variation due to manufacturing
tolerance.
Edward Szewczyk
Chris,
Where did you see Lake City's testing results? .....EDDIE.
Phil Muller
James,
You said, "Lake Cities has radared 2-3 of these boats and peak speeds have
been in the 58-59 MPH range.".
You better tell you buddies at Lake Cities to go get there guns calibrated
or quit lying The people in this group are not stupid. The 58-59 MPH
reading is just BULLSHIT!! Unless you are running at 5,000 feet elevation,
the SL1050 will do 62+ MPH every time out. Did you actually see these
numbers on the gun, or is this just here say from a disgruntled Sea Doo or
Yamaha dealer. Maybe there were 1-2 foot waves?
I have seen 2 different SL1050s run on over 20 occasions and I saw 3
different Stalker guns used during these times. On some occasions, the
barometer was lousy and some times it was great. Some of the water
conditions were perfect glass while others were 6-8 inch chop. Sometimes
the fuel tanks were on half and sometimes they were on 1/4. Some days were
freezing and some were in the 60s. Every single run made topped 62 MPH.
I'm sorry, I just can't put up with the 58-59 MPH bullshit anymore. The
bike runs 62+ MPH and that's that!
You say that Lake Cities has serviced the SL1050's pumps. If they claim
58-59 MPH after the servicing, tell them to turn the pumps around!
Phil Muller
Christopher Paull
In article <333597...@ix.netcom.com>, Edward Szewczyk
<szew...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
|> Christopher Paull wrote:
|> >
|> > In article <5h2e3t$13...@newssvr02-int.news.prodigy.com>,
|> > FSX...@prodigy.com (James Crone) writes:
|> > |>
|> > |>
|> > |> As for the pump problem on the SL1050's?
|> They
|> peak
|> > |> |> speeds have been in the 58-59 mph range.
|> >
|> > What is the difference between Lake Cities Test results and
|> > TOP Gun's Test results? There is a 5MPH descrepancy...
|> > (Ed, James, Anyone got any ideas?)
|> >
|> > This seems to be a bit more than variation due to manufacturing
|> > tolerance.
|> >
|>
|> Where did you see Lake City's testing results? .....EDDIE.
I quoted a portion of James Crone's posting where he said
that, "Lake Cities has radared 2-3 of these boats and peak
speeds have been in the 58-59 mph range."
I assumed that he meant Lake Cities Polaris...
What I suspect is that the SL1050 is in fact quite fast as
you have mentioned on glass flat water, but loses quite
a bit in the chop (similar to the XP's).
If the water conditions were significantly different
between your tests and their tests this might explain
the different results.
Edward Szewczyk
Chris,
Second, third hand information, as I've suspected regarding the
negative speed posts of the SL1050.
Listen to your own words "...to understand you must experience".
EDDIE @ TOP GUN KAWASAKI.
X*2 Fan (Dennis Copfer)
"Phil Muller" <ph...@softwaretech.com> wrote:
>Did you actually see these
>numbers on the gun, or is this just here say from a disgruntled Sea Doo or
>Yamaha dealer.
>
Phil -
I can tell you that Lake Cities Polaris has a pretty good reputation
as Polaris backers. They've been active in supporting some local
racers, including Vic, I think.
We see a LOT of Polaris vehicles in the water in these parts.
Unfortunately I have no more than that available to report.
dc
Whoever enjoys the most jet-skis wins!
Mark Wilkinson
> James Crone wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> > You have a stroker motor in your ZXi? Are you
> > turning 7100 rpm on your stock tach? They are severely off by at LEAST
> > 500 rpms sometimes more. The motor that was in my boat has a 5mm stroker
> > crank 80mm pistons like stock. turns 7100-7200 rpms with the Solas X
> > impeller. This engine "loves" running at this rpm. The only difference is
> > that you are running a stock hull and I was using a modified Fiberworks
> > hull. (120 pounds lighter)
Hello James, I'm surprised you ask if my readings are from the stock
tach. Given the amount of work you do on 1100zxis, I would think you
would recognize a set of real numbers when you see them.(64mph @7100,
Solas X)
However, I easily see how you could be doing 66 with a lighter,
different hull, and another 100 RPM. I was just going on a couple of
your previous posts:
> With the 1174cc stroker motors (which ARE available with a warranty as
> well!!) We get 165hp and 65-66 mph (on stock "modified" hulls)
and
> If you have a "highly modified" 1100ZXi, the Solas X
> impeller works REALLY well....good overall acceleration, about 2 mph more
> top end. This impeller is hands down the best in stroker motors also. It
> lowers the rpms to 7100 where the 5mm strokers like to run!
I hope you can see how I got the impression you were getting 66 @ 7100
out of a Solas X in a stock hull.
Anyway, with regards to the SL1050s vs your 60.7 mph zxi -- something
really has to be wrong. The 8-10 lengths the SL1050s lost to the zxi
over 1/4 mile equals a 4 mph speed difference. (You said the holeshots
were nearly equal). Are the SL1050s now down to 56-57???
And one last thing I really don't get. Why are you buying an SL1050 if
you've seen two of them perform so poorly? Mark
Arshag K. Odabachian
D.Young wrote:
>
> Christopher Paull wrote:
> >
> > <jtsk...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> writes:
> > |>
> > |>
> > |> a snowmobile manufacturer at that....
> > |>
> > |> Dan
> >
> > For you to make baseless comments like this is just plain stupid.
> >
> > Polaris isn't quite up to snuff in one test result and you
> > generalize this to mean that it is inferior???
> >
> > Bombardier, Artco, and Yamaha also manufacture snomobiles, does
> > that make them inferior?
> >
> > The test results on the Polaris so far seem to be anywhere from
> > 59 to 64 MPH in top speed... I think it would be interesting
> > to understand why there is such a large variance...
> >
> > Maybe the Polaris is amazingly fast on flat water, but really
> > loses it in the choppy stuff, (as Mark W. suggested).
> >
> > Personally, I thin that Polaris has come a long way since
> > their original water craft. There stuff is very comparable
> > to the other brands today...
> >
> > Chris Paull -- cpa...@mti.sgi.com --
> > http://reality.sgi.com/employees/cpaull
> > USPS: MIPS Technologies, Inc. 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd.
> > P.O. Box 7311 M/S 10L-175 MountainView, CA 94039-7311
> > PHONE: (415)-933-4424 VOICE: "Yo, Chris!" -- Standard Disclaimer --
> > "Mere words do not suffice, to understand you must experience."
>
> close to being the top contender in that field.
Polaris is Number 1 in snowmobiles. Kawasaki failed in that market.
Yamaha's percent of revenues in watercraft is noiselevel to the execs.
Sea-Doo has the attention of corporate now, did not until fy96.
Please doo all of us a favor, get rid of the attitude or if you must be
harsh, consider getting accurate data. Most people here have forgot
more than you know.
Arshag
Lee Meyers
D.Young wrote:
> I've looked at the Polaris boats and I've even ridden them, they are
> crap. The styling on these pwc is extremely dated, they're just plain
> ugly. They are put together very cheaply. The 1050 that I rode was
> fast but it took it's time getting there. At speed, the handling was a
> joke; unresponsive would be an understatement, and talk about squirly,
> this thing couldn't hold a line for shit. Polaris is simply a company
> that is trying to cover its ass by selling pwc in the summer month while
> snowmobile sales are down. If they want to get into the pwc market they
> need to spend a good deal of cash and develop a pwc that is comparable
> with skis that are already out there.
>
> Dan
>
> p.s. the wetbike was a fast boat for it's time, look at it now...
Dan,
Get real. You shouldn't believe what you read. Its obvious that you
have not ridden the 1050. It is not the least bit squirrly at speed. It
holds a line for me even with 2 ft swells, as for acceleration if 0-50
in 4.2 secs is "taking its time" I would like to know what you ride? The
1050 is a muscle boat, its not an XP, it will never handle like one. If
you want handling buy an XP(SPX), don't buy the polaris. If you want a
fast cruiser that is stable at every speed buy the SL 1050 you won't be
dissapointed.
Lee
Dave Worley
I can now confirm Jame's findings regarding the Polaris SL1050.
We were all at North Lake in Irving Tx. today, and must have dragged
at least two dozen times! James Crone was there on his ~60mph ZXI 1100
as was another ZXI 1100, a Water Cross of Tx. modified Raider 1100,
The Polaris SL 1050, several Xp's and GSX's, and a 900ZXi. It was
amazing as many 8 boats dragging through the cove. Overall results were
that the two 1100ZXI's were allways ahead at the end of the cove. My
guess is that this SL1050 was averaging 58mph tops. I had NO problem
outrunning the SL1050 on my "stock class" XP800, which I estimate at
57-58mph. I could get a few boat lengths ahead at the start but saw my
lead dissapear to James about halfway out of the cove. I also borrowed
a friends STOCK GSX and beat the SL1050 on with it too.
It seems that this SL1050 Eddie reports 64mph on is a rare case?
Dave Worley "Racer X"
Mark Wilkinson wrote:
SNIP
James Crone
Rob,
The boat in question goes 60.7 mph not 67 mph as you stated (the
boat isnt stock either it has 135 psi compression, Vilder flame arresters
a modified waterbox, by-pass and a bent prop) In stock form it ran 58.3
mph....I did have rediculously modified ZXi last year that hit 67.2 mph a
couple of times..But we're talking very exotic stuff here! The same boat
which holeshotted "several" Pro tour boats in a last chance qualifier in
San Diego last year on tour. (Mark Stegall was the rider and his boat
seized so he borrowed mine). He was in second place when Dan Fitzgerald
decided to go "thru" him instead of around him....Broke Marks leg and
bashed up the boat pretty badly...But thats racing...
Hope that straightens out any confusion....
As for Group K and their sleeper kits for the ZXi 1100, with just
the internal modifications and no bolt ons, 63 mph is pretty good...
However, there are other ways to gain the same top speeds without even
delving into the motor. Everyone has different ways of achieving
performance....
James Crone
Rob,
You need to read the original post again! My "push over" test bed
1100ZXi with 135 psi compression, Vilder flame arresters, modified
waterbox, By-pass kit bent prop and only 6 hours on it, mustered 60.7mph..
not 67 as you stated....Maybe you are thinking of the full mod 1100 I
had last year? Very exotic hardware, and yes it could run 66-67 mph all
day long....1174cc, prototype Jetinetics ignition system, lightweight
hull (120 pounds lighter than stock) and about $40,000 invested by the
time it was said and done. I think comparing it to a recreational sleeper
kit is like comparing apples and oranges. 63 mph with just internal
modifications and no bolt ons is good...but there are "bolt-on" 1100ZXi's
out there running those speeds as well...There are many different ways at
achieving 63 mph on a ZXi......
James Crone
Ed,
You should have seen the lake today.....at one point there were 8
musclecraft lined up and dragging back and forth across this cove...2
Kawasaki 1100ZXi's (including my slightly warmed over test bed), 1 Yamaha
Waveraider 1100 (A Watercross of Texas boat), 1 Polaris SL1050, 2 Sea-Doo
XP's, a Kawasaki 900ZXi and a Sea-Doo GSX.... This resembled a land rush.
The two Kawasaki 1100ZXi's were the most consistant winners of these
1/4 mile drag races. The Yamaha 1100 was tough out of the hole but was a
tick slower on top...The SL1050 Couldnt get out of it's own way in the
holeshot...Top end was good but still about .5 mph behind the Kawasaki
1100s..The owner of the other Kawi said his boat was stock...with an
impeller change, but I think he was fibbing.... :) The XP's were about 6-
7 lengths behind and actually the GSX was a tad faster....
Again, the Polaris wasn't dominate again today. This guy was an
experienced SL900 owner before he bought the 1050. The boat was very
tough to beat in smooth water from a 30mph punch however I still got him
by a length..hehehe.. In choppier conditions the Kawasaki's were way out
in front! And they say the ZXis are hard to handle in the rought..Nahhhh.
I did get spanked yesterday at top speed when I hit a boat wake..oh what
a feeling! This SL1050 is running about 60mph. All in all it was great
fun...
James Crone
I'm actually quite impressed with the quality of the Polaris SL1050
that was at the lake today. Much different than the old days! :) That's
why I want one..(To tinker with of course!)
Edward Szewczyk
James,
The 97 SL900's run a higher top speed than your posted Kaw 1100ZXi!
The SL1050 should have smoked 'em all, period. Perhaps this guy was
running with a stuck center piston, or a busted pump stator. Perhaps the
SL1050 wasn't there.
Low end response is improved by turning out low screws additional 1/2
turn. This will stop the "off idle" stalls and improve holeshots.
All four stock SL1050's we've tested clearly pulled 5 MPH more
(Stalker radar) than ANY new 96-97 stock boat we've tested to date (Sea
Doo, Yamaha, Kawasaki). No tests yet however on Sea Doo's 97 models.
Edward Szewczyk
Suprised I didn't see any mention of the SP580's wizzing past the SL1050
by you guys. EDDIE.
Edward Szewczyk
Batesgp
>Dan,
Get real. You shouldn't believe what you read. Its obvious that
you
>have not ridden the 1050. It is not the least bit squirrly at speed. It
>holds a line for me even with 2 ft swells, as for acceleration if 0-50
>in 4.2 secs is "taking its time" I would like to know what you ride? The
>1050 is a muscle boat, its not an XP, it will never handle like one. If
>you want handling buy an XP(SPX), don't buy the polaris. If you want a
>fast cruiser that is stable at every speed buy the SL 1050 you won't be
>dissapointed.
>Lee
Is the 0-50 mph time of 4.2 secs correct? This can't be possible. It just
can't be possible.
greg in stl
D.Young
Give me a break everybody knows that Bombardier is the top dog in the
snowmobile market. Seems like your the one with the inaccurate data and
attitude. Please back-up your nonsense with any facts you care to
fabricate. At any rate we're talking PWC here and not snowmobiles. So
if your going to buy a PWC, why not buy it from a PWC manufacturer???
Sorry you bought one of these recall-queens, but you don't have to take
your aggression out one me. Please do your homework and ride the skis
before you buy your next ski then maybe you wont be so frustrated.
Dan
Primalrage
Kool off slugger!!! Lets begin by saying machines that run on the water
are boats, and machine that run on pavement are bikes... Get the
connection?? wheels pavement, no wheels water. Maybe these boats did run
58-59, Hmmm lets think, were they broken in and if so correctly, how heavy
was the rider or riders, and exactly what were the water conditions, etc.
So get all the facts before you decide to whine... Sea-doo, Yamaha,
Polaris, Tigershark, Wet-jet, it doesn't matter!!!! Whoever has the most
fun wins!!!!
James Crone
Lake Cities Polaris is one of the "Largest" Polaris ONLY
dealerships in the country.....They only sell Polaris products. Also for
your information Phil, Lake Cities was a Factory Polaris Racing entity
for the last two years. They built and tuned Frank Romeros 1995 SLX race
boats.... I think they should know how these boats run. Why is it that
all the SL1050's I've raced havent beaten mine and a buddies Kawasaki
1100ZXi? It only runs 60.7mph on a Stalker. Maybe it was the 90 degree
day??? The only bullshit I smell is coming from Polaris dealers...Lets
here it from owners....
James Crone
I'll have an SL1050 soon enough....and if it makes anyone happy, I'll
be glad to send out Stalker ATS graphs to prove the consistancy of these
tests.
James Crone
Mark,
Some people get readings of 7100 rpms on their stock tachometer
with the Solas X prop....what they dont realize is they are only turning
6500-6600 rpms which of course would explain a "slower" speed...thats all.
:)
James Crone
In pure stock form, the SL1050 is the fastest "production" boat on
the water....Hands down. I just can't imagine 63-64 mph in smooth water
and a limited spec Kawasaki being able to barely get by it...I admit, a
few of these high speed drag races were in rippled water...but twice we
went to glass smooth water and the result was 1-2 boat lengths...
ron emberton
or WETJET
Edward Szewczyk
James Crone wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Some people get readings of 7100 rpms on their stock tachometer
> with the Solas X prop....what they dont realize is they are only turning
> 6500-6600 rpms which of course would explain a "slower" speed...thats all.
> :)
>
See my post "LAKE CITIES POLARIS"....EDDIE @ TOP GUN KAWASAKI.
Tom Howlin
Two years ago on this group, the name Polaris barely came up. Now at
least, the company has generated enough interest at the enthusiast level
to create long threads about the perforamnce of the products. As to the
top speed of the 1050, vs the 1100zxi, vs. the GP1200 versus anything
else, this is what makes the sport interesting. As a dealer, we are in
the process of putting up a home page and when its done, we're going to
have a MPEG of various boats on radar with the images and speeds
recorded in real time. Although in the age of digital programing
nothing is absolute, this will at least let people see our particular
test results. As to the top speed of the SL1050, we've not been able to
push one over 61.7mph. I've talked to Edie at Top Gun and Mike at Lake
Cities and they are seeing better speeds than this (must be our fat
assed mechanic). In any case, buyers should make their own decisions by
test riding the craft they are considering. I never listened to a
dealers claim before I was one and don't expect people to listen to
mine. What does bother me is the information people come into my shop
with from other dealers. There are obviously dealers of every brand who
have no hesitancy about flat out mis-representing their products. If
you believed these dealers, most muscle boats are doing in the low
70s!!! So please people, ride before you buy.
Tom
Lake Anna Watercraft
Arshag K. Odabachian
If you have a friend(hard to believe)who's name is "everybody" have him
call a ski-doo dealer and ask the question,"Who is number one in
snowmobiles?" After he/she chokes on his/her ignorance, he/she can call
you with the bad news. That said, Sea-Doo is by far number one in PWC
by a margin so big its incredible. I personally like Sea-Doo alot and
they are getting better, as is Polaris and Yamaha. Polaris seems to be
come from nowhere, attack dog that has many informed and intelligent
people in this sport taking notice. Guess what, with their new Designed
and Made in the USA engines no less! Guess what , the monies from the
profits come home to the USA, not Japan or Canada(I Like both, but
fiscal responsibility wins)
For a US owned company to start producing engines that not only compete,
but demand respect from the competition is no small task. For someone
as ill-informed and brand biased as you to beat you chest and spout crap
with alacrity is easy.
If you want to talk recall, I have some killers from previous Yamahas,
Sea-Doos and Kawasakis. My SL750 was not great in the engine
reliability department. My SL900 has been better than anyone could have
hoped for. That is why I have a SL1050 (with no recalls)now. I may
also buy an XP soon. If Chevy builds one that makes the grade, I'll buy
it too. OOPS! I shouldn't, they are only supposed to make cars.
Arshag Odabachian
LAKO Performance
RickI11zxi
What we need is an annual convention so all of our flaming egos can race
for a king of the muscle hill. I ride an 1100zxi, and the most competitive
boat last year was the modified GSX, we all better watch that GSX
limited...the reviews were bogus.
James $40k????? Are you out of your mind.....:-}, I thought my bike was
overbuilt...It should do 90 m.p.h. for 40K!!!!!!!!!! How could you
possibly spend that much? Other than a hull, I thought I had run out of
ideas, share your $$ in and the results you saw!
Also, has anyone tried the U.M.I. ride plate for the 11, how's it work?
I'm running the evolution marine on my first 11, and the ocean pro on my
kids 11.
See Ya!
Ri...@Servpronet.com
Phil Muller
James,
I believe you said that someone at Lake Cities radared the SL1050 at 58-59
MPH. I told this to a friend and he said he knows the owner, Mike. He
called Mike today and Mike said that 58-59 MPH is baloney, the SL1050's
run between 63-64 MPH!! I would like to know who you got your information
from at Lake Cities?
BTW, bring your stock 1100ZXI out to my lake and race my SL1050 in a 1/4
mile run. If my SL1050 doesn't kick your ass but good, I'll buy your stock
1100ZXI for $10,000.00 cash right then and there. Or better yet, wait
until June and I'll have my triple pipe and Mitrous. Then I don't care
what you do to your 1100ZXI with one single exception, you can't change the
hull.
I have a friend who runs a Kawai 1100ZXI with heads, carbs, total loss and
Nitrous. The SL1050 still beats him on the top end. And this guy is one
hell of a pilot and his Kawai comes out of the hole like a fuely dragster.
Tim Jacobs
james, lake cities did not build frank's boat's or tune them.
TJ
James Crone
Rick,
This was a Pro Tour boat.....If you dont have exotic hardware
you dont perform well, I've heard rumours that some of the factory
efforts were in the $100,000 range. One off parts, hulls made out of who
knows, power valves ect ect....The money adds up pretty quickly...
James Crone
Tim,
Oh really? So I guess I was seeing things when I was at the lake
watching Frank desperately trying to figure out why his 95' race boat was
running like a terd huh? This was in 1995 not last year.... Right before
the first tour race (a week or two)....
Victor Mux
In article <01bc38ba$ef1a9320$594498ce@sti>, ph...@softwaretech.com
says...
radar the Polaris. Mike tends of overstate results, but Troy does not.
He was my team mate last year, and he is by the book. The SL-1050 on the
Stalker does 63-64. The SLX PRO is doing 59.8 on the Stalker.
Victor Mux
In article <5h6ef0$s...@newssvr02-int.news.prodigy.com>,
FSX...@prodigy.com says...
SLX boat. They did atempt to, but was unable to complete the job because
they simply ran out of time. Lake Cities Polaris is not the ONLY largest
Polaris dealership in the nation, they are just one of many. You keep
posting inacurate information and the smell is comming from all of your
bullshit posts.
Victor Mux
In article <5ha4ft$j...@newssvr02-int.news.prodigy.com>,
FSX...@prodigy.com says...
> Tim,
>
> Oh really? So I guess I was seeing things when I was at the lake
> watching Frank desperately trying to figure out why his 95' race boat was
> running like a terd huh? This was in 1995 not last year.... Right before
> the first tour race (a week or two)....
>
race boats". They were simply waiting on parts to come in from PSI so
they can put it together for Frank and never recieved them. Frank took
off without a running boat. I normally don't like to dis people, but you
really ask for it. I and Mat Saba have raced again Mark Stegals who rode
one of your set up and beat him using Polaris SLX 780 skies. I hate to
bring this up, but your post with a subject of "SL-1050 Loses badly (Lake
Lewisville)" is totally uneccessary and unprofessional. Let's see how
you full blow mod ZXi 1100 or what ever you go against our SLX 1050 with
tripples. I guarantee you'll feel like shit when your 40k ski get's left
behind. I'll talk with Troy and see if I can arrange this little drag
race on Lake Lewisville so that we can put an end to your bullshit posts
once and for all. For everyone else, I apologies for getting worked up,
but I really hate it when an aftermarket parts company "Performance
Engineering - James Crone" post unprofessional post about other companies
"Lake Cities Polaris and Polaris". This is totally unethical and he
should be ashamed of himself for doing so. You don't see W.S. O'Neal -
Watercraft Magic slandering other companies. I Mr. O'Neal because he
respects other companies and post unbias information. "Performance
Engineering - James Crone" is clearly slandering Polaris, and hope that
the news group does not support this kind of post. I WOULD NEVER DO
BUSINESS WITH A COMPANY LIKE "Performance Engineering - James Crone" who
take shot at other companies.
du...@genesisnetwork.net
James Crone wrote:
>
> In pure stock form, the SL1050 is the fastest "production" boat on
> the water....Hands down. I just can't imagine 63-64 mph in smooth water
> and a limited spec Kawasaki being able to barely get by it...I admit, a
> few of these high speed drag races were in rippled water...but twice we
> went to glass smooth water and the result was 1-2 boat lengths...
>
I have a 900zxi with a few mods done....a nujet,water bypass
w/restrictor,vortex,cool head @ 148psi,twist sponsons....and it runs
very well. it stays ahead of xp's all day
long and stays right along side 1100zxi's, so I figure it's hitting
'bout 57-58...I ran into a 1050 the other day at the lake. The water was
pretty calm and we talked a bit about his 1050. he claimed it went 64
out of the crate....so naturally we had to see how bad he would spank me
in a drag.......off the line it was even but then he pulled away pretty
strong after about 100 yds or so but that was it..after about 300 yds or
so he was about 2-3 lengths ahead of me. now if he were to get 64 "out
of the crate" shouldn't he have been like, 5-6 lengths ahead of me?
oh yes, he weighed 180lbs he said
I weigh 195lbs ...if that makes any difference.
Tim Jacobs
95 correct, still no lake cities though. see ya
TJ
James Crone
What was Frank Romero doing at the lake on his practice boat then with
a Lake Cities mechanic poking around in it? His practice boat was sitting
up there in the driveway...Why don't you call Mike and ask him. Maybe he
stopped in Dallas on the way to Virginia Beach or where ever the first
tour race was that year? I don't have all the answers
Edward Szewczyk
Victor,
Good posts. ........EDDIE @ TOP GUN KAWASAKI.
James Crone
Who said my Kawasaki 1100ZXi was bone stock??? I didn't say
that. Read my posts a little more carefully. It has 135 psi (mild)
compression, some Vilder flame arresters (for testing purposes) a
modified waterbox, bypass kit, extended nozzle and a bent stock impeller.
Top speed is 60.7 mph peak (twice run). Maybe now that it has about 8
hours on it it is running better? Maybe 1/2 mph but not 63-64 mph. I'll
soon see radar readings with Mike in the next couple of days to "verify"
these speeds. If it runs as good as everyone says I'll post the results
(I'll post them anyway regardless)
RickI11zxi
Look out, I see the flames coming, those Polaris guys got caught on the
water again! How dare you challenge their 64 m.p.h. boat with you're lowly
900...I had one, it's a great bike!
Tim Jacobs
he was in texas picking up a hull or two. bruce at psi was to ship some
parts to lake cities for him.
TJ