Is anyone happy with their Yam GP1200/760
speedracer
Tttttttim wrote:
>
> So much Yamaha GP bashing going on here. Are there any satisfied owners of
> a GP1200/760. Or are all of these craft shit?
I'm a happy GP 1200 owner!!!
Not one problem in 50hrs. No speedo problems, no twisted crank, no
cracked hull, trim tabs don't fall off. Boat will not go 60mph, but it
will out accelerate most all stock boats, up to the GP's terminal
velocity(56mph to 58mph). It can beat most stock boats on the bouy
course easily. It has a very stable hull, your grandmother can't turn it
over. Riding position is more forward than most watercraft. This gives
it the ability to be a very aggressive handler, when needed. Top speed
is the trade-off for this hull design and riding position. I'll take
acceleration, and handeling any day over top speed. Incredible jumper!!
Even the smallest waves or wakes produce big air. Just point and pin it.
Like a CR 500 on the triples. Instant air!! As long as you land soft,
(front end high!) it doesn't jar anything. Just don't slam the nose.
I think it is the best all around watercraft for the enthusiest that
wants a boat that does a little of everything well. Big and stable, for
cruising, racing the rough, or letting your wife drive; acceleration and
horse power for racing the bouy course, or hot dogging. Quality design
and engineering, ie.. "castings, fit and finish". For those of us that
can't leave anything stock, there are lots of aftermarket parts. The
only thing, that any other watercraft has on the GP is a few miles an
hour on top end. I dont think many of us race wide open from one end of
the lake to the other all the time. There are other fun things that the
GP does much better than the others. And I doo like Sea Doo's, I'm
getting a GTX, for a third ski. The overall boat has been highly rated
in the magazines. The one in PWI, was supplied by a dealer, not YAMAHA,
and had 125PSI compression, "lowest in the shootout". It did 59 MPH. I
don't think mine will. If I doo need to beat the other boats, Riva's GP
1200 limited kit will do 65+ MPH,(Watercraft Power 7/97) Just a little
more money. From what I hear they are asking around here for a new GSX
Limited, and what I paid for the GP, I have $2000.00 worth of hop ups I
can do. Man, thats going to be a lot of fun.
Still Happy GP 1200 owner
Larry KN4IM
tttt...@aol.com (Tttttttim) wrote:
>So much Yamaha GP bashing going on here. Are there any satisfied owners of
>a GP1200/760. Or are all of these craft shit?
If you want to go slogging through the water at 52-55 mph...while
consuming 14 gallons every 60 minutes in the process...it's a
wonderful boat. Get ready to have all the SeaDoos, Kawasakis and
larger Tigersharks wave at you as they eeek by you. The DooSlug 97 XP
is faster. AS I have had very poor support getting the front cover
for the front storage bin...none since last February...and others here
seem to be having problems getting PARTS for this ski...I'm only
guessing that they are no longer making this ski. Otherwise, why
would I have to wait 5 months for this "hood", only to have my dealer
mysteriously "throw it away by accident" and tech support says she
can't get any more! If it were a production unit, I'd simply pull one
from the ASSEMBLY LINE in the next building and send it overnight,
wouldn't you?
The hulls on the boat are cracking, all over the world. A patch
reinforcement was installed at Yamaha's expense in my boat to placate
me. Now I find out others are having hull cracks further back! They
stopped production, long after mine was made, to correct something
with this problem. Guess they didn't do it right... They never
offered me one of the new hulls.
Another hull problem is DRAG! My boat was put in a professional test
tank for tuning by the best tuner here. It produced 980 pounds,
nearly A HALF A TON, of thrust after he was done. This 1/2 TON of
thrust is handily absorbed by the drag of the hull, the entire rear of
the inverted U where the top meets the bottom and the various add-on
patches underneath....at from 52 to 55 mph. 52 is what it will do
stock. 55 is what it will do with $380 in addon grate, prop and
nozzle. As the engine has torn itself apart, I am afraid to try to
get more power from it. A HALF TON of thrust should push a 10' boat
and my 230 LB carcass easily over 60. Less thrust pushed me past 60
easily on such boats as the SeaDoo GSX-Limited, although if I had
known my life was in danger from the intake grate coming off I would
have not dared try it.
My crankshaft twisted between the middle and rear cylinder, as did
MANY others, at 22 hours. It was replaced by a factory representative
sent here from Atlanta. A week ago, all 3 velocity stacks fell off
the carbs and lodged themselves inside the carb throats. I was 30
miles from the trailer in alligator infested water and limped it home.
I would still be there if one of Yamaha's DAMNED tywraps had been
sucked into and destroyed the engine.
Advertised in literature, and by dealers told it would run 63 mph at a
dealer show in Vegas, and shown using an alleged "hot" boat with
higher compression in a magazine shootout against other "muscle
craft"...There is NO WAY to make this boat run 60 miles per hour.
None of the GP1200s here do it. None of the GP1200s on the newsgroup
have done it. Lots have sold, or better yet returned for credit,
their GP1200s to the dealers and manufacturer. Mine will go back this
weekend before I must pay on a promo from last February. I think I
was very patient and have given the dealer and Yamaha plenty of time
to make my boat live up to its bragging advertising of the most
powerful PWC ever built....Don't you?
Dealers are dumping this boat, it is reported in this newsgroup, at
$6500-6600 WITH TRAILER! My original, broken, contract was for over
8,400 dollars. Sure glad I still have my money ratholed away in my
left shoe....
I defended it for MONTHS here trying to get the problems straightened
out. I can't hold out longer. I'd be plenty sorry if you got
snookered in by the slick advertising and sales hype. It's not a
speedboat at all.... I'm very sad, as you can tell, to have to give
back my "YamaHawg", as we called her.
By the way, I'm 51 years old, self employed electronics technician,
have been a boater since 1957 and a PWC owner since 1993. I hold a US
Merchant Seaman's Document and was at sea with the US Navy for 4 of my
7 year enlistment.
Stay away as if it had a big hole in the bottom....It damned well may!
Larry
John Hill
Glad your happy. I guess it most just be strange that my GP1200 was beaten
by 96 Stock GSXs and 97 XPs on the top end and Yama could only get it to
radar at 54+ mph. It was slightly faster off the line. I wonder how I beat
the other two X GP1200 owners on the Bayou? Even my Yama dealer now states
that it does 55 mph and advises customers not to buy one if they are
looking for a fast boat. It is strictly a handling boat per the dealer.
I guess it is strange that Protec could only get 57.1 MPH in the cold
winter weather out of theirs. And that Larry's GPS at 53-54 mph! Sounds
like mine even with the Yamaha factory rep riding it.
When you race a GSX L expect a 10 mph difference. I have had both and the
GSX L after the first 15 ft is very,very fast... I beat GP1200s at under
6000 rpm! 20 boat lengths before hitting 50 mph. It does the same to a
stock GSX or a 97 XP.
I like the way the GP1200s handle, but in stock form it is very slow except
out of the hole for the first two boat lengths and then it is average. And
it is not 0-30 in under 2 seconds! Remember your happy when you beat boats
with 25 or more, less HP! Many of us bought it because it was supposed to
kick ass and take names... not be an also ran, run of the mill $8K boat!
That not what Yama's ads claimed. I like Volkswagen beetles too. But if
some one sold one to me and said it could beat a Porshe and had me pay a
Porshe price, and it could not beat a Porshe, I would not like it! The
GP1200 is a good 54 mph boat! And that not what I or others were told or
what we wanted!
Faster900 <fast...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> iam also very happy ,30 hours no problems,i can hole shot everyone so
> far,and the only one that could catch me and go by me was a sl1050 ,btw i
> havent raced a gsxl or a tigershark 1000 yet........and the handling is
> exelent......dan.....
> faster900
>
Tttttttim
All these different top speed claims 51, 53, 55. Watercraft Power Mag's
(July 97) test of a dealer bought GP12 shows it radared at 57.84 mph. Who
should I believe? When you have a claim of a "top speed" please state how
you got it. Was it uncle Jack the cop or was it an experienced tech with a
radar and laptop. By no means am I trying to either defend or discredit
anyone. I just want some credible information to base a decision on.
Thanks
Tim
Christopher Paull
I helped Mike Steinmetz test one of these GP1200's...
We were getting in the neighborhood of just over 56MPH on the average.
The best we could get was 57.4MPH. Speed was measured using a Stalker
ATS radar gun.
You can read all about the details at:
http://reality.sgi.com/employees/cpaull/ym_97gptest.html
or at:
http://www.calweb.com/~h2ocrazy/97gptest.html
Th
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andrep
speedracer wrote:
>
> Tttttttim wrote:
> >
> > So much Yamaha GP bashing going on here. Are there any satisfied owners of
> > a GP1200/760. Or are all of these craft shit?
>
made a very good choice in a ski, my 760 goes 60 mph, as reported on the
digital readout, ( where the dealer said that 55 would be top ) Maybee
it is the synthetic oil? it has been so far very reliable , i have not
noticed any hull crack, and none of the hardware has flown off , there
is usually some water in the bilge but i gets in from the top,
I ride it pretty hard and for long period of time and so far ( 70 hrs of
uses) it has proven to be a winner in typical japenese fashion it
appears to be a well thought out machine. And unless it acquires a new
personality ( Becomes a lemon ) i think that i will keep on grinning
alots.
Very happy ( So far ) Yamaha owner
Mark Wilkinson
> When you have a claim of a "top speed" please state how
> you got it. Was it uncle Jack the cop or was it an experienced tech with a
> radar and laptop. By no means am I trying to either defend or discredit
> anyone. I just want some credible information to base a decision on.
Motor Trend fired me for being a sham, so I'm back here on R.S.J. where
I can get away with BS . . . . . :)
Anyway, the ONLY way you can get credible radar information is get it
from a CREDIBLE operator. Many people have said this before -- you have
to have someone quote a sustained speed, not a peak. And the person
should describe water and atmospheric conditions. (And tell you about
RPM)
What you haven't heard many say before, is how erroneous the laptop
produced speed curves can be. ANYTIME you see a nice smooth curve you
should realize you are getting an operator's judgement -- perhaps more
so than when someone simply quotes sustained and peak speeds.
The data a laptop receives from a Stalker is normally very discontinuous
and produces an unedited speed curve that is quite jagged. Smoothing
algorithms and filters make it nice and neat. Unfortunately, the
operator (editor) decides the points to smooth between and any data to
include or exclude. The software also extrapolates the curve back to a
starting speed of zero, whenever the operator truncates all data below a
certain speed. Most all operators do this because boats are radared
from a rolling start and it is the only way to show a graph from a dead
stop. This is why you NEVER see a bog on the speed curves. 0-30 times
are predominantly complete bullshit. The best you can hope for is that
the operator jimmyed the graphs to show actual relative performance,
model vs model. In the same vein, an operator has to chose the top end
speed attained for the software to smooth to. This can be any speed up
to and including bogus peaks. It requires the exact same judgement call
one makes when quoting a sustained speed without a laptop.
The bottom line is, anytime you see a smooth Stalker curve, consider the
source. Just like you do anytime you hear radar talk. Mark
Mark Wilkinson
> Larry, GP1200 owner. At least until they tell me how they want me to
> return it. Luckily, I don't have a dime in it....and never will.
Larry, $100 says you own it. All $8431.20 of it. Don't bother
posting why you're going to be able to return it. Don't change the
wager. Just take a friendly bet, or not. Mark
John Hill
Yes I'm very happy, like a lot of us ,I'm happy that my Yamadog is gone and
back with Yamaha where it belongs. (sorta rhymes)
LoBall101
In article <33EB28...@popd.ix.netcom.com>, Mark Wilkinson
<mw...@popd.ix.netcom.com> writes:
>Larry, $100 says you own it. All $8431.20 of it. Don't bother
>posting why you're going to be able to return it. Don't change the
>wager. Just take a friendly bet, or not. Mark
I'll say you'll win that bet Mike.
Laszlo
Lo-Ball Engineering
Carolina Watercraft Works, Inc.
PWC man
>
>All these different top speed claims 51, 53, 55. Watercraft Power Mag's
>(July 97) test of a dealer bought GP12 shows it radared at 57.84 mph. Who
>you got it. Was it uncle Jack the cop or was it an experienced tech with
a
>radar and laptop.
Tim,
After seeing the 1200 often around here I can conclude one thing, all
thoser numbers are true! The gp1200s were not manufactured consistantly
at all from one boat to the next. Never seen one out run a limited or
even come close but you can often see one gp1200 losing by 3-4 mph over
another gp1200
Karmc
You mentioned the "Bayou"... Where do you live?
John
New Orleans La.
Larry KN4IM
You'd BETTER be a happy owner! That's an ORDER! I just called Yamaha
tech support and was told there was NO WAY THEY WOULD EVER TAKE BACK
MY GP1200....NO RETURNS WILL BE ALLOWED. If you buy this pig, make
DAMN SURE you intend to keep it. Once that contract is signed, no
matter how much you have wrong or gone wrong, Yamaha will NO WAY take
back the damn crap boat.
Will this help your buying decision to get a GP1200?
No wonder Kmart, WalMart and Sears are the biggies in the retail biz.
Larry....
Larry KN4IM
fast...@aol.com (Faster900) wrote:
>iam also very happy ,30 hours no problems,i can hole shot everyone so
>far,and the only one that could catch me and go by me was a sl1050 ,btw i
>havent raced a gsxl or a tigershark 1000 yet........and the handling is
>exelent......dan.....
>faster900
Geez, Dan! Stay away from that Tigershark 1000! That's not a fair
race for the GP1200... Tigershark is a FAST boat! Make sure you race
the shark around a big SQUARE. That's the only way you're gonna beat
him!
Larry...been there, done that....that's a good part of the
"problem"....nuts...(d-:)
Larry KN4IM
andrep <and...@hotcoco.infi.net> wrote:
> I have a GP760 and until i read this news group, i thought that i had
>made a very good choice in a ski, my 760 goes 60 mph, as reported on the
>digital readout, ( where the dealer said that 55 would be top ) Maybee
>it is the synthetic oil? it has been so far very reliable , i have not
>noticed any hull crack, and none of the hardware has flown off , there
>is usually some water in the bilge but i gets in from the top,
>I ride it pretty hard and for long period of time and so far ( 70 hrs of
>uses) it has proven to be a winner in typical japenese fashion it
>appears to be a well thought out machine. And unless it acquires a new
>personality ( Becomes a lemon ) i think that i will keep on grinning
>alots.
>Very happy ( So far ) Yamaha owner
Andrep, beg, borrow or steal a hand-held GPS receiver and set it so
you can read GS - Ground Speed. Take your GP760 out for a spin and
WELCOME TO REALITY! As is reported here, a WOT GP1200 will do about
53-55mph. The GP760, one less cylinder on the same pig hull, will do
about 46-48mph tops! I'm sure that if you get your GP760 to run
60mph, you will have a secure job in the Yamaha Engineering Department
no matter what your education. They set the speedos way up so that it
all READS 60. Obviously, your speedo is about 14mph too high.
I'm very sorry you've been screwed, blued and bamboozled like the rest
of us. If you bought it on the Yamaha (HRSI) credit card, check with
your state's laws regarding its forced return policy. If you bought
it outright, you now have a nice $4500 boat....that's about what the
street price on a used GP760 is around here...until next month's
magazine article.
Keep an eye on your hull if you jump waves. I don't want to see you
get hurt.
Larry KN4IM
Mark Wilkinson <mw...@popd.ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Larry, GP1200 owner. At least until they tell me how they want me to
>> return it. Luckily, I don't have a dime in it....and never will.
>
>Larry, $100 says you own it. All $8431.20 of it. Don't bother
>posting why you're going to be able to return it. Don't change the
>wager. Just take a friendly bet, or not. Mark
Does it count if HRSI REPOS it causing a long lawsuit? We need to get
the facts straight before money sits idling on the table, first. I
can't "own" it until the title is signed off, which, one way or the
other, it won't be. The credit card laws prevent HRSI from tampering
with my spotless credit rating and, being a merchant, I can call it up
at any time to inspect any damage done to it. This would, of course,
trigger an immediate lawsuit as I have properly notified the
lienholder of the dispute.
I'd gladly take your money, as I have never owned it. Actually HRSI
is the current owner until it charges back against the credit card, as
it would ANY merchant who refused to make good on a return of
defective merchandise. The keyword here is "credit card"....just like
Visa... I must turn down your offer as it is not fair to you...
Larry
Christopher Paull
Hey Larry--
Mabye it works different there in SC, but
the titles here in CA would list you as the Registered Owner, and HRSI as
the Lein Holder.
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Jake Langston
On 8 Aug 1997 20:36:52 GMT, pwc...@aol.com (PWC man) wrote:
>Tim,
>After seeing the 1200 often around here I can conclude one thing, all
>thoser numbers are true! The gp1200s were not manufactured consistantly
>at all from one boat to the next. Never seen one out run a limited or
>even come close but you can often see one gp1200 losing by 3-4 mph over
>another gp1200
I agree with PWC man. This is exactly what I have seen.
Jake "RevJaqe" Langston
'96 XP -=- '95 HX
email: rev...@juno.com
Mark Wilkinson
Larry KN4IM wrote:
>
> Mark Wilkinson <mw...@popd.ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >> Larry, GP1200 owner. At least until they tell me how they want me to
> >> return it. Luckily, I don't have a dime in it....and never will.
> >
> >Larry, $100 says you own it. All $8431.20 of it. Don't bother
> >posting why you're going to be able to return it. Don't change the
> >wager. Just take a friendly bet, or not. Mark
>
> Does it count if HRSI REPOS it causing a long lawsuit? We need to get
> the facts straight before money sits idling on the table, first. I
> can't "own" it until the title is signed off, which, one way or the
> other, it won't be. The credit card laws prevent HRSI from tampering
> with my spotless credit rating and, being a merchant, I can call it up
> at any time to inspect any damage done to it. This would, of course,
> trigger an immediate lawsuit as I have properly notified the
> lienholder of the dispute.
>
> I'd gladly take your money, as I have never owned it. Actually HRSI
> is the current owner until it charges back against the credit card, as
> it would ANY merchant who refused to make good on a return of
> defective merchandise. The keyword here is "credit card"....just like
> Visa... I must turn down your offer as it is not fair to you...
>
> Larry
Larry,
You do own the boat. And you have a lien on it. Nothing more, nothing
less. If you think your agreement with HRSI is just like a Visa . . .
and your transaction to purchase your boat was just like a routine
credit card transaction . . . well, good luck . . . your going to need
it. My wager still stands. Mark
Drew
Larry KN4IM wrote:
>
> Mark Wilkinson <mw...@popd.ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >> Larry, GP1200 owner. At least until they tell me how they want me to
> >> return it. Luckily, I don't have a dime in it....and never will.
> >
> >Larry, $100 says you own it. All $8431.20 of it. Don't bother
> >posting why you're going to be able to return it. Don't change the
> >wager. Just take a friendly bet, or not. Mark
>
> Does it count if HRSI REPOS it causing a long lawsuit? We need to get
> the facts straight before money sits idling on the table, first. I
> can't "own" it until the title is signed off, which, one way or the
> other, it won't be. The credit card laws prevent HRSI from tampering
> with my spotless credit rating and, being a merchant, I can call it up
> at any time to inspect any damage done to it. This would, of course,
> trigger an immediate lawsuit as I have properly notified the
> lienholder of the dispute.
>
> I'd gladly take your money, as I have never owned it. Actually HRSI
> is the current owner until it charges back against the credit card, as
> it would ANY merchant who refused to make good on a return of
> defective merchandise. The keyword here is "credit card"....just like
> Visa... I must turn down your offer as it is not fair to you...
>
> Larry
How did you go almost 10 months (or whatever) without a payment to HRSI?
My payment was Jan 97, when I paid it all off and got the titles....I
used HRSI's money (for free) from Aug 96 till Jan (little SD promo last
summer)
-Drew
Larry KN4IM
Drew <afo...@infi.net> wrote:
BIG PROMO! 0 down, 0 interest, 0 payments until Sept 1st! That was
last February when they "kicked off" the crappy product!
Larry
jason bodkin
Faster900 wrote:
>
> iam also very happy ,30 hours no problems,i can hole shot everyone so
> far,and the only one that could catch me and go by me was a sl1050 ,btw i
> havent raced a gsxl or a tigershark 1000 yet........and the handling is
> exelent......dan.....
> faster900
I own a GP1200 45hrs..I race region 8 in expert 1200 limited...BOTTOM
LINE I LOVE THIS BOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boomer
> >So much Yamaha GP bashing going on here. Are there any satisfied owners
of
> >a GP1200/760. Or are all of these craft shit?
I own a GP760. Thus far (about 30 hours) I have been satisfied with the
boat. I don't care if I'm not the fastest in the water. Unlike most of
the people in the group, my dick is big enough to give me all the
confidence I need.
On a more serious note, I used to own a Raider1100. I gladly sacrificed
the power of the 1100 for the handling, stability and comfort of the 760.
By the way, I also own a Sea-Doo SPX (85 hp). I personally prefer riding
the SPX, but my wife likes the GP760. In addition, riding the SPX with two
people sucks - it porpoises and is really hard to get on in deap water.
So in all, yes I'm happy with the GP760. Like all manufacturers, Yamaha
makes lemons. I've generally found that people in this group submit many
postings when things go wrong, but seldom write about positive experiences.
Tttttttim
Oh yea! Your dick is actually 1/8th of an inch smaller than mine, even
though advertising claims it is the biggest dick on the market. You should
file a class action lawsuit.
Tim........ as sarcastic as they come
MKLD33
Well, I just bought my first water craft. I'm proud to announce that I
settled on a GP 760 (considered a 750Zxi, HP, among others). Although I
haven't hit the water yet, I am satisfied with the experience so far. I
have a great shop behind me and soon I'll have a great craft below me. I'm
in it for the fun and pleasure. Any speed I get is pure bonus whether it
is 45 or 55. I know my opinions will change, as will my craft. I see mods
in the future. I also believe a lot in speed and such come much from HOW
you ride not necessarily on WHAT you ride.
Michael
MKLD33
You say 'crappy product' but you did walk in to a shop and chose one on
Day 1, right? Looks like someone has 'crappy taste' I'll gladly cruise my
760, whether it takes me light speed or just at a crawl; I'm having a
blast and that's why I bought one.
Dennis B
It's good to see other satisfied GP760 owners out there. I have 45 hours on mine and
have not had any serious problems. I love the way it handles and I am very satisfied
with the top speed.
PWC man
just thought I'd add my share of experience (sorta) of the gp760's. Friend
bought two in may. Now has about 15 hours on both and spent twice as much
time in the shop as in the water. Three weekends in a row he didn't even
take them home, just left them at the dealer to get fixed on his way in.
And beleive me he is pissed. If a boat cant even run what is claimed by
the manufactor, (or run at all for that matter) something is wrong. If
anybody wants to buy two yamaha time bombs let me know and I'll give you
his number.
John Hill
People are not really complaining about what the GPs are, but what Yamaha
advertised them to be and how Yamaha got excellant evaluations by supplying
magazines with "HOT" boats that greatly out perform what Yamaha then
actually delivered!.
Apparently Yamaha did not have enough confidence in their own products, to
submit the real products for evaluation!
It is nice that you as satisfied GP owners apparently like the boats more
than Yamaha did and are happy to see them as they are!
However if you wer a buyer who was looking for the fastest accelerating
boat in the world as advertised or 60 mph boat and paid $8K for that based
on the ADs and evaluations, then you have a right to be disappointed. 54
MPH is not a musclecraft in todays market and certainly not the winner of
that gategory!
Also the ads hurt competitors revenues when the GP760 was compared by
dealers to the GSX 800 which in fact out perfroms the GP1200 but was
selling for the same price as a GP760!
And yes almost anything is better than the Raider 1100 I had, unsafe at any
speed!
Dennis B <dk...@primary.net> wrote in article <33EFB2...@primary.net>...
Jim4est
I'm absolutely satisfied with GP760. It's got super sharp handling,
excelent acceleration, and believe it or not mine is running in mid 50s ,
no problem. I had a guy pace me in his 97 Mariah 18ft V8 Chevy 350 on
monday. He said his top speed is around 60. I kept pace with him for about
1 1/2 miles until he slowly started pulling away. He told me I was staying
with him until he hit 58, exactly what I was indicating.
Very happy, Jim...@aol.com
WaveTamer
I am very happy with my gp1200,although I have been keeping a
close eye for symptoms posted by other members.My gp has
always seemed to run better than other gp's in my area.
Maybe it's the way I ride...................No I don't ride on glove box
Larry.
Wave
DPerry70
I got mine in july and it is faster than two others that I ride with.
mine is completly stock also.
Don
MKLD33
I have a GP760, which satisfies me, but it lags compared to my friends
GP1200(stock) which kept up with a modified Wave Raider 1100. I just
watched.
ron 727 e
going that fast then its not anywhere close to a stock boat.
not trying to be rude to you just stating the facts.
ron"i rode a 70 mph gsx ltd or so the speedo said" e
im back did you miss me?
WaverunGP
I have almost 50 hours on my gp1200 and totally satisfied. I had a raider
1100, and the gp is easily a huge improvement.
ride hard, ride safe
Larry KN4IM
wave...@aol.com (WaverunGP) wrote:
But don't you hurt just a little bit KNOWING its only doing 53-55, the
same as your buddy's SPX on 1/2 the gas?
I paid for a 60mph "fastest production watercraft made". Dammit,
that's exactly what I'm willing to pay for. The GP hull drags
something awful. Just watch all that water spraying out sideways and
the thing draggin its ass all the time....It's just not right!
Larry
John Hill
Your right it is a huge improvement over the 1100... It also does however
under 56 mph... not the sixty it was supposed to do. My did an honest
54+... Not fast enough to ride with my friends or take the bouy course on
with. Like the handling, not what I paid for and not what was advertised.
It is slightlly slower than a 96 GSX with 110 HP and a liitle faster off
the line.. both handle about the same.
What most of us dont like is the rigged tests with hot boats and the
advertisements that were false. The boat I can live with, not the false
claims! It has below average top speed with better than average
acceleration. Not the fastest acceleration in the world and fifty percent
slower than advertised or tested. If you buy it knowing that it only does
54-56 in hot summer weather and that meets your needs , then I dont have a
problem with that especially if you did not pay retail ($8K) like I did
and now the price is down to $5500 since it slow top end has become known.
How to you know you dont have hull damage yet. Have you cut the styro foam
away to see if the spar is collapsing?. By the time you see it on the
outside you are ready to sink!
WaverunGP <wave...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970818023...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
John Galbreath Jr.
Azure wrote:
>
> In <33f7cd4f...@news.mindspring.com> kn...@mindspring.com (Larry
> KN4IM) writes:
> >
> >wave...@aol.com (WaverunGP) wrote:
> >
> >>I have almost 50 hours on my gp1200 and totally satisfied. I had a
> raider
> >>1100, and the gp is easily a huge improvement.
> >>
> >>ride hard, ride safe
> >>
> >>wave...@aol.com
> >
> >same as your buddy's SPX on 1/2 the gas?
> >
> >I paid for a 60mph "fastest production watercraft made". Dammit,
> >that's exactly what I'm willing to pay for. The GP hull drags
> >something awful. Just watch all that water spraying out sideways and
> >the thing draggin its ass all the time....It's just not right!
> >
> >Larry
> >
> mph, granted i would have thought a little faster, but for the ride and
> handling alone I am willing to accept that speed...also, considering
> the racing i've done on the local lakes, i havnt been beat yet, I'm
> deffinitly happy with it...one last thing, I believe yamaha said it was
> the "quickest" not the "fastest" production watercraft...there is a
> difference, and all the "on lake" testing i've done, it is the
> "quickest".
Your 57.6 sounds like a peak radar reading. The FASTEST it ran in a
portion of a second over the entire run. Larry uses a GPS that uses an
AVERAGE over a mile or more. Both are REAL numbers and BOTH are
correct.
--
John Galbreath Jr. http://www.ABSCOFireplace.com
ABSCO Fireplace & Patio
Birmingham, Alabama mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com
John Galbreath Jr.
Larry KN4IM wrote:
>
> "John Galbreath Jr." <mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Your 57.6 sounds like a peak radar reading. The FASTEST it ran in a
> >portion of a second over the entire run. Larry uses a GPS that uses an
> >AVERAGE over a mile or more. Both are REAL numbers and BOTH are
> >correct.
> >--
> >John Galbreath Jr. http://www.ABSCOFireplace.com
> >ABSCO Fireplace & Patio
> >Birmingham, Alabama mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com
>
> miles up the reservoir. Been there, done that. Silly GTX just kept
> inching away. Nothing I could Doo to catch up to him....NUTS..
>
> Larry...Yoo Hoo....HONDA!! Where's my big 4-cyl 4-stoker!!??
Larry. I agree with you, BUT I was just pointing out that BOTH numbers
are reality. My GSX-L PEAKS at 64.0, I have not put is on a GPS, but I
ASSUME it is around 61.
Azure
In <19970815174...@ladder02.news.aol.com> wave...@aol.com
my lake, or in my area (no I'm not saying there isnt anything out there
that will beat me, just havnt raced em yet I guess) I LOVE the handling
and the ride....the only DOWN side is that I have to sell it because my
credit cards got a little out of hand...but I CAN tell you I dont
regret getting the GP1200 one bit...I traded my raider 1100 in for it
and would do it again in a heart beat..havnt had a single problem with
it (which seems to be unusuall according to others).
Azure
Larry KN4IM
Larry KN4IM
"John Hill" <jh...@ghgcorp.com> wrote:
>Your right it is a huge improvement over the 1100... It also does however
>under 56 mph... not the sixty it was supposed to do. My did an honest
>54+... Not fast enough to ride with my friends or take the bouy course on
>with. Like the handling, not what I paid for and not what was advertised.
>It is slightlly slower than a 96 GSX with 110 HP and a liitle faster off
>the line.. both handle about the same.
Yo, John! Me thinks the times are a changin'! I just got my PWI in
the snailmail. Geez, an honest report, even an EXTRA actual
BOATOWNER'S boat just to check a little "honesty"! My eyes watered up
just reading it!
I'm referring to the GSX-Limited report in the new PWI, of course. It
was, well, "tame". They felt compelled to mention the awful prop spin
on the low end, but they opted to NOT mention the potentially LETHAL
problems with the intake grates falling off! I'd have blamed it on
the article being written way back when, but the mere fact they tested
a REAL OWNER'S GSX-Limited to verify their dealer delivered model
sorta blows that theory out of the water. No mentions of grates
pitchpoling the boat, no mentions of seized cylinders....but we're
making headway. At least it didn't rosey over the slow acceleration.
Their graph shows 0-20 in 2 seconds, 0-40 in 4 seconds about. Top
speed a nice HONEST 61mph on the dealer delivered boat AND another
nice HONEST 60mph on the BOAT OWNER'S boat....close....no funny
business. THANK YOU PWI MAGAZINE!....from all of us!
Back to the thread topic, and my GP1200 in particular....My GP is a
tiny tad faster than this boat off the line, but not the 30mph in 2
seconds the "hot" demo boat delivered to the magazines does, not
close. Now, at around 40 mph, MY GP1200 begins to fade against the
GSX-Limiteds (2 of them) we compared here. By the time we're at 50,
of course being near the maximum speed of the GP1200, the GSX-Limited
can only be seen briefly as he walks away, kicking spray in my
face....up to his REAL 60 mph speed. THANK YOU PWI MAGAZINE...We'll
add this magazine article and their comments to our GROWING boxful of
evidence....in case we need it. I think MY GP1200 crosses the rising
line of the one in PWI magazine somewhere around 30-35 mph when the
GSX-Limited's line climbs past the Yamaha GP1200's REAL curve.
If it didn't cavitate or whatever it does from a standing start, the
GP1200 wouldn't even matter. Too bad they are sinking and falling
apart and seizing so I can't buy a GSX-Limited. I saw another one for
sale here in Sunday's paper...different boat. Don't know what the sad
story was on that GSX-Limited's owner.
Larry...still observing from the beach. DAMMIT HONDA! WHEN'S MY
2000cc SKI GONNA BE DELIVERED!!
Azure
In <33f88f19...@news.mindspring.com> kn...@mindspring.com (Larry
that I havnt been beaten by anything around my area (stock ski's) the
only thing I havnt gone against is a GSX-L (yet to see one) I have gone
against raiders, XP's (new and old) spx's, sl1050's kawi' 1100's and
even a few 3 seaters (although the venture 1100 was close)...I've
beaten em all on both the local lakes (between 1-2 foot chop) which was
about a mile long, and also out in the ocean (up to 5-6 foot seas)
which i've run for 6-7 miles...(BTW, my hull id # is 6247 (or
57)...doesnt drag in the back on plane).
Larry KN4IM
azu...@ix.netcom.com(Azure) wrote:
>>
>>Peak doesn't mean so much when you are racing your buds to the dock 4
>>miles up the reservoir. Been there, done that. Silly GTX just kept
>>inching away. Nothing I could Doo to catch up to him....NUTS..
>>
>>Larry...Yoo Hoo....HONDA!! Where's my big 4-cyl 4-stoker!!??
>>
>Yea...I know peak speed doesnt matter, never said it did...i also said
>that I havnt been beaten by anything around my area (stock ski's) the
>only thing I havnt gone against is a GSX-L (yet to see one) I have gone
>against raiders, XP's (new and old) spx's, sl1050's kawi' 1100's and
>even a few 3 seaters (although the venture 1100 was close)...I've
>beaten em all on both the local lakes (between 1-2 foot chop) which was
>about a mile long, and also out in the ocean (up to 5-6 foot seas)
>which i've run for 6-7 miles...(BTW, my hull id # is 6247 (or
>57)...doesnt drag in the back on plane).
Thanks for your information. I really appreciate it. I've added
your hull ID and info to my growing list of pros and cons. It almost
looks as if there are two entirely different hulls from the readings
I've gotten. The stern-dragging observation seems split 50-50 and
it's not weight related. My hull drags the rubrail on the stern when
no load, 1/2 tank of gas, and a 130 lb kid is riding it. I was
watching it as I ZOOOOMMEEDD by him on the kid's new GSX-Limited. It
was incredibly easy for my 240 lb loaded GSX-L with full gas to pass
the GP1200 with 1/2 tank of juice and his 130 lb skinny hiney on the
seat. I'm beginning to wonder if the hulls on some boats was "warped"
from the mold.
Now, wouldn't THAT be an expensive little kick in our corporate
Japanese asses?
Larry...again thanks!
John Galbreath Jr.
Azure wrote:
>
> In <33F856...@ABSCOFireplace.com> "John Galbreath Jr."
> <mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com> writes:
> >portion of a second over the entire run. Larry uses a GPS that uses
> an
> >AVERAGE over a mile or more. Both are REAL numbers and BOTH are
> >correct.
> >--
> >John Galbreath Jr. http://www.ABSCOFireplace.com
> >ABSCO Fireplace & Patio
> >Birmingham, Alabama mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com
>
> runs...actually, it hit 57.7 once...but since it only hit it once I
> don't count that..the 57.6 was consisntant...
Azure. I confused you, sorry. The "peak" I referred to is the fastest
thew radar gun caught the boat going during the run. In the case of my
GSX-L, that's 64.0. But in a sustained run by a GPS over a mile. You
then get real readings including, crossing chop and wakes, hull going on
a chine, etc. This AVERAGE will be lower than the peak (highest 1/30 of
a second during the ENTIRE run). I have not put my GSX-L on a GPS yet,
but I feel it is going about 61.
Lee Bower
I agree, the Gp is a great boat for power and handling. The problem shows
when pieces of white plastic are found near the bilge area. Its downhill
from there. Good Luck!
WaverunGP <wave...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970818023...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
Azure
In <33F856...@ABSCOFireplace.com> "John Galbreath Jr."
<mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com> writes:
>
>Azure wrote:
>>
>> In <33f7cd4f...@news.mindspring.com> kn...@mindspring.com
(Larry
>> KN4IM) writes:
>> >
>> >wave...@aol.com (WaverunGP) wrote:
>> >
>> raider
>> >>1100, and the gp is easily a huge improvement.
>> >>
>> >>ride hard, ride safe
>> >>
>> >>wave...@aol.com
>> >
theboys
yes i have a gp1200 and i love it so far
fireman
Azure <azu...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<5t8s9c$8...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>...
John Hill
Yes some people are happy with them... Of course some people were happy
with Yugos, Edsels, the IBM PC JR, Hamburgers made with meat from Hudsons,
the Vietnam war, Prohibition, Jim and Tammy Baker, Jimmy Swigart, Congress
and the IRS.
Go Figure!
TWFX1 <tw...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970822033...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> larry do you no how to read? [ Is anyone happy with their yam GP1200/760]
>
Drew
Crankrod wrote:
>
> >(WaveTamer
>
> >>I am very happy with my
>
>
> >I have been keeping a
> >>close eye for
>
>
> > in my area
>
> > it's the way I ride...................No I don't ride on glove
>
>
>
> >.I havnt
>
> >beat
>
> >my
>
> >little
>
> >ding
>
> >(which seems to be unusuall according to others).
>
>
> >would do it again in a heart beat..
>
>
>
> >symptoms
>
> > by other members.
>
> >No I don't ride on
>
>
> >Is anyone happy with their
>
>
> Crankrodattackinblack
Mike:
Why so negative? How about a happy post for a change?
You are starting to sound like our dearly-departed "what's his face."
Don't worry, be happy mon!
Cool on that.
-Rasta Drew
John Hill
TWFX1 <tw...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970829155...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> John dummy Hill i can see you cant read too!
> Yes, No, whats your point, if you are going to make one, then do... the
suspense is killing me? And note the shift key allows you to make capital
letters.
Or do you think a question has only one possible response? Do you want only
positive reinforcement of your view... getting desparate maybe?
And on more than one occasion in my life I have been a Dummy. So enlighten
me! Give it your best shot.