SEADOO SUCKS
Jim R.
the exploding 951 motors though since mine has been very reliable. Sea Doo
does need to show a little support for their riders. If fish wasn't such a
good rider, I'd almost feel bad for him. Come on Sea Doo.....where the hell
is the support!?
Jim Ray
Havoc Racing
#244
Doug6534 wrote in message <19991019011241...@ng-fu1.aol.com>...
>I attended WF last weekend and was impressed by the professional teams of
>Kawasaki, Yamaha and Polaris. They all had big rigs, professionaly painted
>boats, plenty of mechanics all wearing matching jerseys and alot of
support.
>Then I saw an embaresing display in the Seadoo camp of Chris Fischetti.
Chris
>is one of the best watercraft racers of all time and this is how he is
treated
>by Seadoo. Chris has won them many championships, Seadoo should be kissing
his
>ass. Chris continues to stick with them even when they give him almost NO
>SUPPORT. Seadoo has all but pulled there support in all racing, regional,
>national and international. It appears there atitude is they are so fucking
>good they don't need racing to sell watercraft.
>
>They also released the XPL in 1998 when they new damn well they had a
problem
>with them blowing up. I know this because I know people who worked for
Seadoo
>in the developement of the XPL. I also know racers (with stock boats) that
had
>their motors blow up and Seadoo tried to blame the consumers. Then after a
>class action lawsuit Seadoo finally agreed they had a problem and offered
XPL
>owners a new XPL (piece of shit) at $100 over cost.
>
>Why racers continue to ride Seadoos is beyond me, why support a company who
>doesn't support you. Think about this when you purchase your new race boat
for
>the year 2000 race season.
Doug6534
twolfe
Bill O'Neal
Please explain to me how much support you have personally recieved from any
of the other manufactuers ?
BTW, Chris Fischetti does cash a real big check each year, and his bonuses
for winning championships aren't bad either.
I too would like to see the support from SD that we had a few years ago, but
they have chosen to spend their money on R&D of enviormentialy friendly
watercraft motors.
Last year, my expert and novice riders took home a little over $13,000.00
from the WF's that SD put up, out of a total purse of $25,000 that was for
the amature riders. How much did the other 3 pay out to experts and novices
? Oh yeah, NONE.
This year Cody Hawkins got a new Quad ($6500.00) and Mike Klippenstien got
$25,000.00 plus 2 new SD's and another sum in parts allowance, totalling
$55,000.00.
How much did riders of the other brands get ? Oh yeah, NONE.
All those big trailers and pit support are nice for the 3 or 4 riders who
benefit from them, but what about the rest of us? What is the benefit to us
?
Although maybe not enough, at least SD pays something out to the rank and
file racers when they do well. I do not see that happening from the other
manufactuers at all.
Chris Fischetti payed for that space so he could have a garage sale. It was
not the "Sea Doo" camp, as you described it.
Bill O'Neal
WCM
Doug6534 <doug...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991019011241...@ng-fu1.aol.com...
Rick
Perhaps Bombardier has decided to go in a different direction with more
emphasis on RFI, DFI and ski's that are more friendly to the environment.
The future of 2 stoke engines appears to be in question and in the end the
manufacturer that developes the most environmentally friendly ski may be the
only one left selling. They may be devoting more time and money to these
issues rather than racing.
Rick
Affvcr
doo,s. Anybody that keeps supporting such a poor product really shows their
intelligence. If I fell into a vat of shit, I guess I would try and convince
everybody that shit is the way to go.. sorta like buying a piece of crap... ha
ha. I am with the rest of the people who say I like to go fast and turn good
and all that neat stuff.. But if I am going to pop an engine doing it then its
time to change boats.. There are people who have had 13 Doos without a
problem.. Thats great, I am glad he has that kinda money to burn.. But for
those of us that can only have 1 or 2.. then I think I would go the reliable
way..I was at the Doo dealer the other day talking to the head mechanic there.
He told me that he had a really great ski, That it would blow the doors of
anything on the water.. even the Ultra.. and now that he is on his 4th
engine..he really feels that he has a good one.. What an IDIOT..4
engines..HELLO.. it took 4 engines to get a good one.. And this was the head
techs personal ski...
SL (SeaLion)
to one of their regional riders. They had the Fish plastered on their big rig with
Karine on the other side under the bridge as well. In performance alley, I think
Polaris had the best looking display followed by Yamaha, Sea-Doo and finally
Kawasaki.
twolfe
Affvcr
the ozarks..
MR-HPT
over board by trying to squeeze blood out of the turnip. Near perfect bore to
stroke combination for Rotax engines ended with production of 785 twin rotary power
plant. No doubt that torque is increased with bore size, but with it come many
little gremlins which plague destruction of the 951 unit. Locking at cylinder to
case hardware makes you wander what they ware drinking when designing this engine.
The quality of the cylinder liner simply socks. The failure of the oil injection
pump is totally unwarranted. Oil lines coming off? Give me a brake, why not use
threaded fittings? When bore is increased so is the torque and power band. But with
is come another problem with controlling combustion pressure, and piston expansion
rate. It simply dos not make any sense to go with big bore and then de tune
induction and ignition in order to produce stable power. One must remember that
Rotax engine is the only mass produced engine designed to operate in high BMEP
environment. No other OEM engine even comes close to near 200 degree port time
duration. Could it be that Suzuki learned this long time o go when they produced
RG 500 4 cylinder rotary engine employing correct bore to stroke engine with power
to spare? I think so. My personal experience agrees with bore to stroke dilemma.
Good example is after market big bore engine kits. When they work they work great
but when they protest they do it with big bang, as many of you have discovered. And
yes I was the first tuner to predict 951 problems long be fore they became evident.
For that I was branded as uneducated mechanic. Well like I said, time quires many
illnesses.
I was right G k'mart and Magician Billy did not even realize what I was talking
about.
George HPT Sport USA
http://www.hpt-sport.com
Seadooracr
Yamaha, Kawasaki and Polaris just build slow sh*&&&ty hulls that throw you
off.
My suggestion to you is buy something other than a Seadoo, that way you can
loose any race you are in.
To me it looks like Seadoo is KING.
IMHO
Kevin
Jim R.
Jim
Seadooracr wrote in message
<7uig6r$4iqe$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...
JShuck
Riders were out pounding the ocean waves (or visa versa?) and three were on
doos and ole KDA/Snap was on the XLL. Take a guess who got pitched and smacked
his tailbone again???
Yes, it was the infamous xll hull :-) But to be fair, a GTX and GTXL both had
starting problems. The 97 GTX got a loose negative terminal on it's
battery...started as soon as it was tightened and the 112 houred GTXL (who was
jumping waves the highest...ole Rudy) thinks he sucked in a little dreaded
saltwater and changed plugs off the surfline and got it going again. He also
told me he out accelerated and was never passed by the xll as well but then ole
Snap says he just can't use all that power??? :-)
Go figure....Jim Shuck
JTSKI319
twolfe
not all there ??
MrWater...@webtv.net
Go to a good dealer.
Mr. Aquatic Scooter
Bill O'Neal
Sea Doo only wins races that mere mortals are entered into :)
Like every Expert class except standup.
Bill O'Neal
WCM
GP12trpl <gp12...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991019223127...@ng-da1.aol.com...
> I thought at the World Finals Sea Doo won only those races where they
dominate
> in numbers. In the Pro races they took Sport and Pro-Am Women runabout.
How bad
> can those hulls be? I don't think these races were won on sheer horsepower
> alone, specially not with the conditions on Sunday.
>
> Mario
>
> << SEADO...@prodigy.net
> Date: Tue, 19 October 1999 03:23 PM EDT
> Message-id: <7uig6r$4iqe$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>
Bill O'Neal
Bill O'Neal
WCM
MR-HPT <hpts...@apex.net> wrote in message
news:380CA437...@apex.net...
twolfe
(lucky) twin !!
"X*2, XPL, & SJ Fan (Dennis Copfer)" wrote:
> Displays? Tim W. favored the brunette Yamaha spokesperson while I
> preferred the blonde.....but I believe Misty at Group K had enough
> hormones (or whatever) to match them both. Not to mention that classy
> blonde at Blowsion.....
>
> dc
Bill O'Neal
That crackpot George will take credit for shooting Hitler next.
Harry was way before George in denouncing the 951.
A few common sense fixes and the 951's are as reliable as anything else that
produces as much power. It's just that Georgie is still working on the 785
to get it over 62 mph, while the rest of the world has long since been
there, done that.
Humor him, he won't go away :)
Bill O'Neal
WCM
X*2, XPL, & SJ Fan (Dennis Copfer) <jets...@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:0EF2A94075082196.B482F906...@lp.airnews.net...
> MR-HPT <hpts...@apex.net> wrote:
>
> >The failure of the oil injection
> >pump is totally unwarranted. Oil lines coming off? Give me a brake, why
not use
> >threaded fittings?
>
> Are you talking about the Kaw oil problems? They seem to be having
> some problems with their oil lines......
>
> Which mfgrs use threaded fittings? Seems like I keep reading about
> lots of brands with zip ties all over them.....and coming loose at
> unfortunate times.....
>
> >And yes I was the first tuner to predict 951 problems long be fore they
became evident.
> >For that I was branded as uneducated mechanic. Well like I said, time
quires many
> >illnesses.
> >I was right G k'mart and Magician Billy did not even realize what I was
talking
> >about.
>
> Actually, I believe Harry Klemm had already indicated the potential
> problems in modified 951s before you even began posting regularly. He
> was actually modifying, testing, and putting up web pages about them
> while you were doing whatever.....
>
> And I don't think you ever posted anything about looming water
> ingestion problems in the 951s.....use www.deja.com to prove your
> points, if you can. Otherwise you're just *shooting* in the breeze,
> like Snap does.
>
>
> dc
>
> Freestyle Forever!
twolfe
part # 291000600 :)
Ben in TN wrote:
> > And I don't think you ever posted anything about looming water
> > ingestion problems in the 951s.....
>
> From what I have seen the water ingestion problem is often from a leaky
> header pipe squirting water right down on top of the breather. It's not a
> bad idea to tie a sock or rag around the pipe in that area to keep the water
> from squirting all over the place if that gasket does start leaking. Just
> feel the rag periodically to see if it is wet. The Rossier pipe on my 96 XP
> has leaked in the same place but, luckily I can pull the seat back while I'm
> at WOT and see the culprit in action.. It'd be a little harder to pull up
> the bars on an XPL doing that ;) That gasket usually won't leak until
> you're at WOT.
> --
> Ben in TN
> KE4...@USIT.NET
Wetbiker
JTSKI319 <jtsk...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991019191019...@ng-fs1.aol.com...
GP12trpl
X*2, XPL, & SJ Fan (Dennis Copfer)
>The failure of the oil injection
>pump is totally unwarranted. Oil lines coming off? Give me a brake, why not use
>threaded fittings?
Are you talking about the Kaw oil problems? They seem to be having
some problems with their oil lines......
Which mfgrs use threaded fittings? Seems like I keep reading about
lots of brands with zip ties all over them.....and coming loose at
unfortunate times.....
>And yes I was the first tuner to predict 951 problems long be fore they became evident.
>For that I was branded as uneducated mechanic. Well like I said, time quires many
>illnesses.
>I was right G k'mart and Magician Billy did not even realize what I was talking
>about.
Actually, I believe Harry Klemm had already indicated the potential
problems in modified 951s before you even began posting regularly. He
was actually modifying, testing, and putting up web pages about them
while you were doing whatever.....
And I don't think you ever posted anything about looming water
X*2, XPL, & SJ Fan (Dennis Copfer)
X*2, XPL, & SJ Fan (Dennis Copfer)
>I thought at the World Finals Sea Doo won only those races where they dominate
>in numbers. In the Pro races they took Sport and Pro-Am Women runabout.
Umm....Christy was on a Polaris Pro785....6 X World Champion she is.
And if we're counting World Titles, count the Expert and Novice
classes.....otherwise say you're *only* counting Pro.
dc
Freestyle Forever!
Jim Shuck
finance a race team that could win a race cause they lost them all year
long across the US...they even lost all the shootouts in all the
magazines this year and even when they win their boats deliver less than
expected and you can always count on the "surprize" handling factor of
shoddy hull design!
Got it?
Jim Shuck
Ben in TN
Jim Shuck
most winning endurance racer ever built. It won more than 87% of the
enduros it was entered in and beat triple piped machines that were
pumping out more than 200 hp (when they could keep running) in Region 1
alone. Adding in all the other regions I'd have to speculate that the
results were similar.
The world finals showed similar results across all classes. Including
the Pro class where doo won none, they still took 11 titles out of 15
races from the data I can gather.
Then it took the European Championships along with South Africa :-)
Gee...maybe we call the XPL..."World Dominator"...not bad for a puny
little twin eh guys?
Jim Shuck
SL(SeaLion)
SL(SeaLion)
GP12trpl wrote:
> I thought at the World Finals Sea Doo won only those races where they dominate
Xpertspeed
Yamaha's 2000 GP1200 looks like the kick ass boat for next year. . . .I may be
wrong, but I don't think so.
Dwain
X*2, XPL, & SJ Fan (Dennis Copfer)
http://www.jetskiers.org/pic222.jpg
http://www.jetskiers.org/pic224.jpg
Dan
20,000 in Parts and any SD of his choice....= $60,000.00 from SD
That Saturday nite, SD supported paid for everything.
Bill O'Neal wrote:
> Doug,
> Please explain to me how much support you have personally recieved from any
> of the other manufactuers ?
>
> BTW, Chris Fischetti does cash a real big check each year, and his bonuses
> for winning championships aren't bad either.
>
> I too would like to see the support from SD that we had a few years ago, but
> they have chosen to spend their money on R&D of enviormentialy friendly
> watercraft motors.
>
> Last year, my expert and novice riders took home a little over $13,000.00
> from the WF's that SD put up, out of a total purse of $25,000 that was for
> the amature riders. How much did the other 3 pay out to experts and novices
> ? Oh yeah, NONE.
>
> This year Cody Hawkins got a new Quad ($6500.00) and Mike Klippenstien got
> $25,000.00 plus 2 new SD's and another sum in parts allowance, totalling
> $55,000.00.
> How much did riders of the other brands get ? Oh yeah, NONE.
>
> All those big trailers and pit support are nice for the 3 or 4 riders who
> benefit from them, but what about the rest of us? What is the benefit to us
> ?
>
> Although maybe not enough, at least SD pays something out to the rank and
> file racers when they do well. I do not see that happening from the other
> manufactuers at all.
>
> Chris Fischetti payed for that space so he could have a garage sale. It was
> not the "Sea Doo" camp, as you described it.
>
> Bill O'Neal
> WCM
> Doug6534 <doug...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19991019011241...@ng-fu1.aol.com...
> > I attended WF last weekend and was impressed by the professional teams of
> > Kawasaki, Yamaha and Polaris. They all had big rigs, professionaly painted
> > boats, plenty of mechanics all wearing matching jerseys and alot of
> support.
> > Then I saw an embaresing display in the Seadoo camp of Chris Fischetti.
> Chris
> > is one of the best watercraft racers of all time and this is how he is
> treated
> > by Seadoo. Chris has won them many championships, Seadoo should be kissing
> his
> > ass. Chris continues to stick with them even when they give him almost NO
> > SUPPORT. Seadoo has all but pulled there support in all racing, regional,
> > national and international. It appears there atitude is they are so
> fucking
> > good they don't need racing to sell watercraft.
> >
> > They also released the XPL in 1998 when they new damn well they had a
> problem
> > with them blowing up. I know this because I know people who worked for
> Seadoo
> > in the developement of the XPL. I also know racers (with stock boats) that
> had
> > their motors blow up and Seadoo tried to blame the consumers. Then after a
> > class action lawsuit Seadoo finally agreed they had a problem and offered
> XPL
> > owners a new XPL (piece of shit) at $100 over cost.
> >
> > Why racers continue to ride Seadoos is beyond me, why support a company
> who
> > doesn't support you. Think about this when you purchase your new race
> boat for
> > the year 2000 race season.
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MR-HPT
potential problems this NG and Harry jump me like a hound dog. Same story regarding 920
crap. I was the only tuner to point out it's design folts and again Harry said that 920 dos
need any fixing. Check out his remarks to me last year.
Yes I'm talking oil line fittings coming off oil pump on 951 engines.
There are many hidden problems which are blamed on water ingestion.
GJG
X*2, XPL, & SJ Fan (Dennis Copfer) wrote:
> MR-HPT <hpts...@apex.net> wrote:
>
> >The failure of the oil injection
> >pump is totally unwarranted. Oil lines coming off? Give me a brake, why not use
> >threaded fittings?
>
> Are you talking about the Kaw oil problems? They seem to be having
> some problems with their oil lines......
>
> Which mfgrs use threaded fittings? Seems like I keep reading about
> lots of brands with zip ties all over them.....and coming loose at
> unfortunate times.....
>
> >And yes I was the first tuner to predict 951 problems long be fore they became evident.
> >For that I was branded as uneducated mechanic. Well like I said, time quires many
> >illnesses.
> >I was right G k'mart and Magician Billy did not even realize what I was talking
> >about.
>
> Actually, I believe Harry Klemm had already indicated the potential
> problems in modified 951s before you even began posting regularly. He
> was actually modifying, testing, and putting up web pages about them
> while you were doing whatever.....
>
> And I don't think you ever posted anything about looming water
MR-HPT
peace of crap which you sold, by blaming me. What will you do with rest of the
disappointed people who cant even keep up with stock 785 top end? 62 mph speed
at 7250 rpm was with "D" jet pump 19 - 26 impeller and and 88 mm nozzle which I
tested at that time for the reason of engine longevity at lower engine rpm. Any
one can build high rpm motor, low rpm high torque is another story, which you
know very little about. Over 400 hr on same bottom end, is very impressive
record. Not avery one needs race machine, must people locking for longevity and
low cost of operation, I have accomplished just that. Actually this set up works
really well in my area where water is very rough. I'm not top speed freak. I pay
more attention to handling and average speed in real word not at smooth water
condition. You must be getting very old, you need to come up with something new,
your accusation do not fit my picture. We have won many races with my engines.
What do you think about my top notch student Scot Randal at SRE and BMR
induction system? How dos it feel to see others wining world final? Did you have
a chance to check out the induction systems on wining machines? What did you see
Billy boy?
Welcome back you sore loser.
GJG
Bill O'Neal wrote:
> Nor could we care less............
>
> Bill O'Neal
> WCM
> MR-HPT <hpts...@apex.net> wrote in message
> news:380CA437...@apex.net...
> > I have to agree with your statement regarding big bore engines. See Doo is
> gone
> > over board by trying to squeeze blood out of the turnip. Near perfect bore
> to
> > stroke combination for Rotax engines ended with production of 785 twin
> rotary power
> > plant. No doubt that torque is increased with bore size, but with it come
> many
> > little gremlins which plague destruction of the 951 unit. Locking at
> cylinder to
> > case hardware makes you wander what they ware drinking when designing this
> engine.
> > The quality of the cylinder liner simply socks. The failure of the oil
> injection
> > pump is totally unwarranted. Oil lines coming off? Give me a brake, why
> not use
> > threaded fittings? When bore is increased so is the torque and power band.
> But with
> > is come another problem with controlling combustion pressure, and piston
> expansion
> > rate. It simply dos not make any sense to go with big bore and then de
> tune
> > induction and ignition in order to produce stable power. One must remember
> that
> > Rotax engine is the only mass produced engine designed to operate in high
> BMEP
> > environment. No other OEM engine even comes close to near 200 degree port
> time
> > duration. Could it be that Suzuki learned this long time o go when they
> produced
> > RG 500 4 cylinder rotary engine employing correct bore to stroke engine
> with power
> > to spare? I think so. My personal experience agrees with bore to stroke
> dilemma.
> > Good example is after market big bore engine kits. When they work they
> work great
> > but when they protest they do it with big bang, as many of you have
> discovered. And
> > yes I was the first tuner to predict 951 problems long be fore they became
> evident.
> > For that I was branded as uneducated mechanic. Well like I said, time
> quires many
> > illnesses.
> > I was right G k'mart and Magician Billy did not even realize what I was
> talking
> > about.
Bill O'Neal
We did win the coveted 785 Expert Superstock World Championship this year,
as well as the Expert Closed Course World Championship in the Sport class.
That along with many 2-15 th place finishes in the mains in all of the other
classes, including the Pro classes. I did not see even ONE HPT boat in any
main event.
BTW, my 920's are still running strong after 3 years.
Go blow your smoke up someone elses' ass, you has-been.
According to one of my customers who regularly races against your best shit
in your region, your boats are a joke, and he regularly blows your boat away
with his Rossier piped 785 XP. Neither would make the mains in the "real
world".
Bill O'Neal
WCM
Bill O'Neal
WCM
MR-HPT <hpts...@apex.net> wrote in message
news:380DD1E0...@apex.net...
BUCKSHOT RACING
>
> Bill O'Neal wrote:
>
> > Nor could we care less............
> >
Novice
1st 785 limited
1st 785 SS
1st 1200 limited
1st 1200 SS
1st womens RA
1st Ski
1st Sport
Expert
1st 785 SS
1st 1200 limited
1st 1200 SS
1st Ski
Pro
1st womens Ski
I sure I have missed some and I cant count the 2nds and 3rds.Also did
you see the 1200 pro RA Hole shot of Mike Klipenstien on a XPL equiped
with BRM 50 mm carbs.
The only way my carbs could have done better is if I paid the Factorys
to use them like my competition.
Andrew Buck
MR-HPT
to admit that competition is very strong. I heard you did not do so hot in
sales at world finals this year, is it throe? Ed sold avery carburetor he
had in first day. We will se what next year will bring. I wish you good
luck. I promote top quality products regardless of the personality clashes.
In my book BMR. SRE. Novi and Buck Shot are the top of the line products.
The reality is that each system has it's specific application and
limitations. Happy is the man that finds right combination.
Good luck. GJG
MR-HPT
run to the bank. Get off your nasty disposition you old skinny grouch. From the
lock's at your physical condition you better start thinking about your health
you old dried up prune.
Welcome back sarcastic psycho.
Bill O'Neal
Shows what you know.
My shop, not Miller's, put those motors together for those customers. Mel
ported them for me, the way I asked him to do.
After shipping them, I personally walked those guys through every step of
the set-up, from carbureators and jetting, to pumps, nozzels, props and
ignition.
Although I do give alot of credit to Mel for his outstanding talents as an
engine machinist and porter, It takes alot more that a machinist to make a
race boat win a Championship at the world finals. Someday, you may know the
feeling, until then, you ain't got shit to brag about, you has-been old
fart. Your crap gets creamed at local Kentucki events, according to your
competition.
Next year, step up to the plate. Put your stuff out there where the real
racing is done against the best that watercraft racing has to offer, or
forever shut your trap.
Bill O'Neal
WCM
MR-HPT <hpts...@apex.net> wrote in message
news:380E2192...@apex.net...
Rick
Bill O'Neal <Water...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:7um0qd$bt3$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
<snip>
> Next year, step up to the plate. Put your stuff out there where the real
> racing is done against the best that watercraft racing has to offer, or
> forever shut your trap.
>
> Bill O'Neal
> WCM
That does not seem likely.
Rick
MR-HPT
big shots like you. I'm not dependent on water craft customers, specially from
this NG. I done work like you doing now, there is no profit in it. Must of the
time like you I work my butt off and for what? Hand shake. No thanks I prefer
to work with real world sports man that works hard to make a living and
appreciate quality. Ask man like Ben with family and new house on horizon if
he can afford your service or your engine work. Get it throe your head. Not
avery racer can afford fancy staff many people are very happy to just attend a
local race. You do not know what I do and you are just plain silly to believe
couple hicks who cant even measure chamber volume regarding my ability. All of
my arguments relate to poking heroes like you who talk how great they are and
rip people off at the same time. Bill how do you sleep at knight? This year
alone you destroyed many engines by selling wrong parts. I know how much effort
it takes to set up race machine. And I give you fool credit for that. But when
it comes to machining and designing you do not know much. You just a very good
slick sales man and I bet you cant even sharpen a cutting tool or drill bit.
When was the last time you done a simple boring job or machine head dome? Never.
Be grateful to Miler with out him you would be still tuning Kawasaki 440. If
you insist on bashing my work and character be prepared to make room in your
shop for extra 920 VE cylinder and 4 sets of useless domes that you sold to me.
Man you sure are not very smart, learn how to cover your ass Slick city cowboy.
Userbucky
Bill O'Neal
So, The bottomline is that you will not try to compete on the level of the
people that you continually bash ?
That figures ! All talk, no action. Look who appears to be the "slick
salesman" now !
Sorry that your best stuff cannot make the grade, why don't you quit posting
crap here and get out there and try harder.
Bill O'Neal
WCM
MR-HPT <hpts...@apex.net> wrote in message
news:380FF444...@apex.net...
Jim R.
Jim
PRZ44 wrote in message <19991024214719...@ng-ci1.aol.com>...
>You are absolutly right Sea Doos are the biggest pieces of shits on the
water.
JOYROD2634
>From: "Bill O'Neal" Water...@worldnet.att.net
>Date: Tue, 19 October 1999 03:51 AM EDT
>Message-id: <7ui0ld$qgv$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
out Bombardegays dick in your mouth.
