Why do batteries go dead so fast?
Tony Severance
How long do these normally last?
Is there a difference between the $69 version you get from the boat and
the $30 version KMart or Wal-Mart sells?
Thanks,
-Tony-
Laszlo Almasi
storage is a leading killer of batteries from my experience. Keeping
a "tender" on your battery while it is being stored helps prevent the
untimely death of your electron powerplant.
Laszlo Almasi
Lo-Ball Engineering
Carolina Watercraft Works, Inc.
Tony Severance wrote in message <376DAC8A...@io.com>...
jetski junkies
Also, make sure the water level in the battery is good.
Perry
Tony Severance
When you say "tender" do you mean a battery charger? If so, can you
recommend a good one for this purpose?
Thanks again,
-Tony-
GP12trpl
watercraft dealers or/and catalog retailers. It works and it's a fairly
innexpensive way to extend the life of your battery.
Mario
Subject: Re: Why do batteries go dead so fast?
From: Tony Severance <ts...@io.com>
Date: Mon, 21 June 1999 02:36 PM EDT
Message-id: <376E8621...@io.com>
Laszlo Almasi wrote:
<< Subject: Re: Why do batteries go dead so fast?
From: Tony Severance <ts...@io.com>
Date: Mon, 21 June 1999 02:36 PM EDT
Message-id: <376E8621...@io.com>
Joseph Waldvogel
starts up great. As good as new in fact. While a friend of mine with his
ski after only 1 year, basically one season ended up with a dead
UN-rechargeable battery.
I on one hand go riding as much as I can, usually every Sunday, though when
it's winter and I have my ski put away for a couple months maybe, I hook up
a Battery Tender. Wal-Mart sells a good one. It's a small totally sealed
charger, you could for example mount it to your ski and leave it always
hooked up, when you get home just plug it in and forget about it. It's
just 1.5 Amps, which is what you want, Low amps and slow charging, and
fully Automatic. It turns on and starts changing your battery after your
voltage drops down some, and when it's done it turns its self off.
Unless your riding your ski Weekly you should keep it charged up. If you
do, the battery should last quite a few years, if you don't you'll be
replacing it every year. The worse thing you can do to these batteries is
let it go dead and sit. If it's not mantinace free then make sure you keep
the water level up and use distilled water also.
My friend bought the same charger now also, and it's always plugged it, he
just doesn't go riding as much, but when he does, he'll have a good
working batter that will start his ski right up.
Anyway the Charger is called a Schumacher, 1.5 AMP Fully Automatic Onboard
battery Charger/Maintainer
Model # SE-1-12S. I bought mine at Wal-Mart, I'm sure you can buy it at
other places. It works great, and it's at a great price. Less then $30 I
believe. There are other ones. I've seen one type in the Jetski mags all
the time, but it's quite a bit more. My ski is in a storage spot so I
can't mount the charger to the ski because I have no source of power to plug
into so I have to pull my battery if I know my ski is going to be sitting
for awhile.
P.S. make sure you locktight your bolts on your battery cable to the
battery so they don't work themselves out. I thought mine were tight, I
was out jumping wakes, and my Digital Display went out, I figured my
display got broken or something so I turn my ski off to see if it would
reset. Well my ski didn't start back up again after that. Here I was in
the middle of the lake with a dead ski. I wasn't sure what the hell was
going on because it was running. I finally decided to pull the seat and
check the cables. Not easy to balance on the ski, and pull the seat off,
and add to that the water being pretty ruff. Last thing I wanted to do was
tip the ski over as it would fill up quite fast with no seat installed.
Anyway, got the seat off, Haven't tipped over the ski, and I'm looking at
the battery and see the cable is off on one end. Well I can't get to the
screw as it's under the battery at this time, and I'm trying to balance on
the ski as it is, so with a little luck, I managed to hold the cable down
with one hand and start the ski up with the other hand. once it's running
who needs the battery, I just had no display. So I got back to shore and
got the problem fixed.
Which leads to, Get to shore FIRST to check out such problems!
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Tony Severance <ts...@io.com> wrote in message
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Mike Pipes
>the brand name is "battery Tender" and you can get it from most motocycle and
>watercraft dealers or/and catalog retailers. It works and it's a fairly
>innexpensive way to extend the life of your battery.
>
Also, if you remove the battery from the boat while storing, dont
place the battery on a concrete floor. That kills a battery pretty
quickly. I know it sounds goofy, but after two batteries in two
seasons I learned the lesson and started keeping the battery in my
bedroom closet during the winter. =) Keep it nice and toasty inside =)
It's the constant cool temperature of a concrete floor that drains the
juice.
Later,
Mike Pipes
Digital Illusion Custom Vinyl Graphics
http://www.stickerpimp.com
GP12trpl
Mario
Boatbasin
>place the battery on a concrete floor. That kills a battery pretty
>quickly. I know it sounds goofy, but after two batteries in two
This has no effect on modern batteries.. It used to years ago, but with
plastic cases, they will not discharge on concrete.
jetski junkies
>
>
> This has no effect on modern batteries.. It used to years ago, but with
> plastic cases, they will not discharge on concrete.
>
> Mark
> http://boatbasin.com
Oh yes they will! Put your batter on a peice of wood(small 2X4)
Perry
Jettski
They will not. Older batteries had cases made of hard rubber which along with
the moisture in the concrete made a path for discharge. Modern batteries do
not have this problem. If yours are discharging then you have another problem
such as deteriorated plates with a lot of built up material in the bottom
shorting plates, low specific gravity, or one of any number of problems.
I store mine on the concrete floor in my garage and alternate the trickle
charger between the two every 2 weeks or so during the winter and the oem
battery is still strong in my 95 SXi I bought new in May 95. It's on the 5th
season now and I probably won't replace it till next spring with an Odyssey.
Darin
Laszlo Almasi
the battery over time. But it does happen...and not very slowly.
Laszlo Almasi
Lo-Ball Engineering
Carolina Watercraft Works, Inc.
GP12trpl wrote in message <19990622010246...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
>yeah that happened to one of my car batteries. Dead as a doornail.
>
>Mario
>
><< Also, if you remove the battery from the boat while storing, dont
>place the battery on a concrete floor. That kills a battery pretty
>quickly. I know it sounds goofy, but after two batteries in two
Laszlo Almasi
as well to prevent this from happening. Your batteries are ok because
you are alternating the charger between them, not because of the material
they are currently constructed of.
Laszlo Almasi
Lo-Ball Engineering
Carolina Watercraft Works, Inc.
Jettski wrote in message <376F92BB...@bellsouth.net>...
Jettski
Then why do they go bad? Where is the path for discharge? I have quite a bit
of experience with lead-acid batteries (technical) and would like to know your
theory.
Darin "Always willing to learn" Jett
Laszlo Almasi
housing has something to do with it, or rather the lack of integrity.
Tell you what...I could grab two brand new batteries and run a test
between the two of them to see what happens. Once fully charged
I could take daily readings of the two and document the change/drain
of the two. One would sit directly on concrete and the other would
be insulated with a piece of 2 x 4.
We all know that many times technical data and what makes sense
on paper and in books does not necessarily apply in the real world.
Laszlo Almasi
Lo-Ball Engineering
Carolina Watercraft Works, Inc.
Jettski wrote in message <376FA1AD...@bellsouth.net>...
Tony Severance
Good story, and thanks for the reply. I work right next to a Wal-Mart. I will
check them out for the model you suggested.
-Tony-
Dan
Superjet two years ago. It still has the original battery. I just kept
the water level up (most of the time with distilled water) and charged it
once or twice every winter and before I took it out for the first time.
My two Sea Doo's that I sold (guy has yet to pick up) still have the
original batteries from '94 and '95.
Dan
Michael D
It's a standard stock battery.
On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:07:54 -0500, Tony Severance <ts...@io.com>
lakebo...@my-deja.com
storage (off Season).
We all have somewere, an old transformer/converter. You know the type
that comes with cordless equipment (e.i. phone, calculators,
screwdrivers, etc). Make sure that the voltage is the same of your
battery (mostly 12V). With a bolt meter identify the "+" and "-"
cables.
When storing a battery set it up on a piece of non conductive material
(Wood is good). Hook the cables accordingly to the terminals of your
battery. That is all. These transformer/converter produce from 300ma
to 800ma, just enough to trickle the battery and keep the electrons
flowing. This WILL NOT charge your battery! It will just keep it
alive. When you are ready for the season, disconect the
transformer/converter and give it a full charge.
Enjoy the knowledge.
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Jeff Bemis
still running strong.
jb
WHardy1902
case. You can see it with a voltmeter by putting one lead on a terminal and
then dragging the other lead across the case. If there is any dirt or salt
residue it tends to hold condensation on the case which allows current to flow
slowly across. Deep cycle the battery during the winter and it won't last long.
Yuasa batteries are not real durable anyway.
Honda Gold Wings come with them stock and are only good for two seasons, TOPS.
Any longer and you are on borrowed time. Even brand new, they are famous for
sudden failure. Ride for couple hundred miles w/ no problem, stop for lunch and
it's deader than a doornail. On a group ride, 20-30 bikes, I carry a spare
battery in the saddlebag. Chances are that somebody in the group will need it.
Not Harding
It's Hardy
As in Hardy Har Har
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lakebo...@my-deja.com
terminal no sorting will occurre. On your car any metal part is
grounded to the battery, so the flow is still from one terminal to the
other. By leaving the battery on the floor for a day nothing is going
to happen. Electricity is always loking for a grond. This has to do
with Physics of electrons,Neutrons and protons. If you would of had any
science or Physics you would have learn about it. It thought it was
common knowledge, but in this day and age I forget that not everyone has
an education.
Knowledge is Power!!
Curtis CCR
Jettski <jet...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Perry,
> They will not. Older batteries had cases made of hard rubber which
along with
> the moisture in the concrete made a path for discharge.
This is true. Another contributing factor in the discharge to concrete
problem of *old design* batteries was the amount of iron in the
concrete. If the aggregate has a lot of ferrous matter in it, and
perhaps a lot of rebar sticking into the dirt under the floor, it would
kill a battery pretty quick.
> Modern
batteries do
> not have this problem. If yours are discharging then you have another
problem
> such as deteriorated plates with a lot of built up material in the
bottom
> shorting plates, low specific gravity, or one of any number of
problems.
> jetski junkies wrote:
> > Boatbasin wrote:
> > > This has no effect on modern batteries.. It used to years ago,
but with
> > > plastic cases, they will not discharge on concrete.
> > Oh yes they will! Put your batter on a peice of wood(small 2X4)
When I take the batteries out of my jet boat, I don't place them on my
concrete garage floor. I keep them up on the work bench. Not because I
believe the old tale of concrete sucking the charge out of the battery.
But because, even though I don't live in area that suffers from a lot
of freezing temps during the winter, the garage floor gets really cold.
I charge the batteries on the floor. But thats only because if
something gets screwed up and they boil over, I'd rather it boil over on
the concrete floor than on my workbench.