ULTRAC CONSUMER ALERT
John Galbreath Jr.
HexMC785 wrote:
>
> CARL@ULTRAC PEDDLES UNTESTED PRODUCTS THAT DO NOT LIVE UP TO HIS
> EXAGGERATED CLAIMS. BUYER BEWARE
HexM...@aol.com identity revealed. This has to be the racing son of
Steve Sizemore. Look at the following exerpts from previous posts.
Subject: watercraft magic
From: hexm...@aol.com (HexMC785)
Date: 1997/05/20
we recently went to a race Round 2 of the big dead tour and experienced
motor problems .Bill oneal of watercraft magic was very helpful and
offered us assistance thanks to him we were able to race and had a good
weekend. i strongly recommend him and his company s sizemore
Subject: Re: Toxic Rotary Valves
From: hexm...@aol.com (HexMC785)
Date: 1997/05/21
I am new to the internet and to this newsgroup. However, we are pwc
enthusists and racers. <<snip>>
CONSUMER ALERT\\\\ DONT BE FOOLED BY NOVI THEY ARE ON THE VERGE OF
BANKRUPTCY. WE WILL BE RUNNING OUR WATERCRAFT MAGIC MOTOR ON TOUR AND
LOOK FORWARD TO THE ADVANTAGE THAT WE WILL HAVE STEVE SIZEMORE
Subject: race at orville
From: hexm...@aol.com (HexMC785)
Date: 1997/06/01
if anyone knows the results for expert sport today please respond my
son
is racing this class im at home in tennessee steve sizemore
So, Mr. Sizemore, please try to control your son. If not, I will
forward all 14 of your posts to rec.sport.jetski and your post to
alt.sport.jet-ski to ab...@aol.com. I don't think they will think to
highly of your actions either.
--
John Galbreath Jr.
HexMC785
Larry KN4IM
Fireplace and Patio....JOHN! YOU'RE IN THE WRONG BUSINESS!!
Sent a nice email to hex today....it seems to have been ignored. The
ping I did seemed to come from aol's port through Reston Va which is
their east coast hub. Seems reasonable your info is correct.
we MUST STOP THE PISSING CONTESTS RUINING R.S.J!
Please, please take these verbal jousts to email!!
Larry
"John Galbreath Jr." <ABSCOFi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>HexMC785 wrote:
>>
>> CARL@ULTRAC PEDDLES UNTESTED PRODUCTS THAT DO NOT LIVE UP TO HIS
>> EXAGGERATED CLAIMS. BUYER BEWARE
>
>
Doug Keller
Kinda helps validate Cindy's points from her review in PWC Zone ???
NLW TFW NM
These "pissing contests" hurt rec.js only if we stand in front of the
pisser while not wearing our wet suits (and goggles, if the pisser is
proficient).
I assumed the accusation was baseless for two reasons: 1) he offered no
evidence, and 2) how could Carl write such brilliant BS and not be able to
back it up with brilliant products? Oh, never mind, I forgot about Slick
Willy.
But Sizemore (?) has overlooked one thing that naive people forget. It's
called libel, and it's bankrupt many such idiots.
OTOH, libel exists (or is costly) only if fiscal harm is done. Whether it
applies to pisscal harm remains to be seen.
Mike
HexMC785
John your about as stupid as your gay friends. Its obvious that you just
want to interject your two cents worth in . Thats about all its worth
Steve Sizemore
Dan DePardo
Yeah Stevie, we're all complete idiots. You're the lone ray
of intelligence in this group, but you might want to mellow out
with the unnecessary homophobic slander bucko.
>Its obvious that you just want to interject your two cents worth in
That is what we ALL do here, and two cents is exactly what anything
anyone says here is worth. If you paid more, well sparky, you've been
cheated.
Now about that lovely E-Mail you sent me today...I'm sure the people
at AOL (no offense to other AOL users, but in cases such as this, I
consider it an acronym for "A-holes On Line") are getting as big a
kick out of it as I did, since I was kind enough to forward a copy of
your message to one of AOL's system administrators for ya!
You also might consider a breakfast cereal with less sugar content, or
maybe it's just that your brain is too tense?...(two tenths the size of
a normal one?)
>Thats about all its worth
Well, you got that right at least.
Dan "Kiss your AOL account ...goodbye!" DePardo
Bruce Holms
In article <339C38...@westcoast.com>,
Doug Keller <do...@westcoast.com> wrote:
>
>
> Kinda helps validate Cindy's points from her review in PWC Zone ???
Does it? My server is running upwards of 150 posts per day. Miss Jones
would have you believe that's 150 posts of useless information not worth
your time. Maybe 10, possibly 20 percent is garbage, the rest is arguably
useful to someone. I don't have any use for impeller information for a
GP1200 or GSX, but that info may be useful to someone, no?
Miss Jones proved in her article that she knows little to nothing about
Usenet newsgroups. She never once participated here, merely lurked, then
proclaimed that she could get no useful information out of it. Hardly
responsible journalism. If I were a journalism professor, I would have
given her a "D" for her efforts.
---
Bruce Holms
bho...@itchy.nafb.trw.com
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2801/
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TEAMULTRAC
<< First, posting in "all caps" typically indicates you're goofy and your
mom dresses you funny, >>
Hi Dan!!
It's REALLY ironic you stated "your mom dresses you funny". Let me
explain...
Brett Sizemore called me late yesterday afternoon and proceeded to read me
the riot act. He started the conversation with the opening line..."Is this
Carl Camper?" I replied yes. He said (and I quote) "This is Brett Sizemore
and I want you to know you're a fucking dumb-ass". I calmed him down and
began to talk with him.
We spent about 20 minutes on the phone while I tried to explain to him the
ramifications of his statements. I let him know I was not personally
offended
because it was obvious he doesn't know me or my products, but that his
comments could be interpreted as slander and could lead to legal
implications.
I told Brett I had seen him race (Expert or Novice Sport Class) on the
Florida World Cup and thought he was a very good rider with a very well
prepped machine (NOVI built HX). I also indicated he had the potential to
do very well in
racing, except that his public display of hostility on the net would not
go
over well with the "powers-that-be" that are monitoring the internet. He
stated "what powers-that-be, a group of faggats that can't ride so they
play
on the computer". I replied no, the editors of major mags who will avoid
giving you any coverage in their magazines due to your behavior and the
decision making people at Bombardier who had already called me earlier in
the
day to inform me of the slanderous statements being made by Mr Sizemore
and
that they will bring this to the attention of Bruce Brahms, Sea Doo's
racing
coordinator. His whole disposition changed after he made this realization
and
he apologized for his statements and went on to say, he's never actually
tried any of my products.
Brett was personally offended because he states he was in the car with
Dustin
Farthing when the Victor Sheldon incident took place and I had no business
passing judgement on the incident without personal presence. More than
that,
he was absolutley pissed that anyone would make fun of his clothing and
hairstyle. Appearently, when I made the reference to Dustin Farthing's
cronies "wearing LL Cool "J" denims and Billy Idol haircuts"... I hit the
nail on the head! As it turns out, Brett Sizemore and Dustin Farthing are
best friends. Same age, same size, same friends, same clothes, same
hairstyles, etc. When I made the comment regarding Dustin's friends, I had
no
idea Brett was one of these guys.
I accepted Brett's apology and indicated that a public apology should be
made
on the internet... but not to me. For using the net as a place to wage a
verbal war void of fact and full of malicious intent... that he had
angered
members of the newsgroup. I expected to see a post by Brett on the
newsgroup
today indicating his remorse, but I've not seen it on my server. Frankly,
he
doesn't strike me as a kid that could show remorse.
In another irony, this kid was defending Dustin as a good friend would be
expected to, however during his defense of Dustin's character, he was
verifying my original statements about Dustin, and the impressions of
others
regarding Dustin's demeanor. I tried to explain to Brett that he could
have done so much more for Dustin's image by telling the good points about
his character, as opposed to firing off a barrage of hostile and malicious
insults to myself and others.
Brett Sizemore's response and behavior is almost A-typical of the young
racers I've been exposed to. It is the main reason I've avoided sponsoring
racers. What's funny, is these kids all think they're special and the
world
owes them something. Hell, most hard-core recreational enthusiasts could
outride them, but have more important things to do.
Carl (the snake-oil salesman) Camper @ ULTRAC
TEAMULTRAC
To newsgroup members...
Please accept my apologies regarding my conversation and subsequent post
to the newsgroup with Brett Sizemore (posted on 6/11/97). This post was
sent direct to members who participated in the thread (for their eyes
only), but I accidently posted it to the newsgroup.
Carl @ ULTRAC
John Galbreath Jr.
Carl. I enjoyed reading it twice. Thanks.
--
John Galbreath Jr. http://www.ABSCOFireplace.com
ABSCO Fireplace & Patio
Birmingham, Alabama mailto:Jo...@ABSCOFireplace.com
HexMC785
Carl, The Snake Oil salesman. I am Bretts Father, and am responding to
your blatant lies in regard to your conversation with my son the other
day. I recommended that he call you and explain his position and reasons
for responding in an agressive manner on the internet. I have read all of
every response to FARTHING vsSHELDON that has been posted, and it appears
to me, that in your feeble mind, your the only one that can make
derogatory remarks and expect it
to receive no rebuttle. Wrong again, sir. With all of your warnings about
being a formal navy seal, and of huge physical stature, and subtle
threats, I can only respond that the veterans home here has a huge
cemetary. Brett did not say anything that you have represented that he
said. So much for trying to teach your child to talk their problems out
with someone, and make an attempt to resolve them, when you turn around
and continue your bullshit tainted lies, in a futile attempt to paint a
picture to the general public, unrelated to reality. Like you do
when you sell your products. As for Bruce Brahm, and the powers that be at
Sea
doo, we all like Bruce for what he is , not for what he can do for us. We
arent looking for a contract to develop products,or a free ride .(Carl you
are the only parasite looking for a free meal ticket) We race for fun,
thats exactly why we cannot waste money of our racing budget on products
that dont work --like yours
Carl ,in closing I am writing letters to every major consumer group,
60minutes,dateline,20-20, describing the consumer rip offs based on
exaggerated
claims of performance gains, that unscrupulos aftermarket vendors such as
yourself make as they prey on the general public. It would make a great
story.
HexMC785
Accidently on purpose Carl is a devious character
Dan DePardo
TEAMULTRAC wrote:
>
> << First, posting in "all caps" typically indicates you're goofy and your
> > mom dresses you funny, >>
>
> Hi Dan!!
>
> It's REALLY ironic you stated "your mom dresses you funny". Let me
> explain...
>
Hi Carl;
One of my old girlfriends always said I was psychic...
OOOp! Sorry, that was "Psychotic", my mistake...;-D
> Brett Sizemore called me late yesterday afternoon and proceeded to read me
> the riot act. He started the conversation with the opening line..."Is this
> Carl Camper?" I replied yes. He said (and I quote) "This is Brett Sizemore
> and I want you to know you're a f-ing dumb-ass". I calmed him down and
> began to talk with him.
>
That must have been entertaining.
> We spent about 20 minutes on the phone while I tried to explain to him the
> ramifications of his statements. I let him know I was not personally
> offended because it was obvious he doesn't know me or my products, but that his
> comments could be interpreted as slander and could lead to legal
> implications.
>
Not to mention a good whuppin'....he might want to change his race numbers
to conceal his identity. I've heard that he and whoever "Steve" is have
managed to make themselves a few less than friendly online aquaintences
with their keyboard.
> I told Brett I had seen him race (Expert or Novice Sport Class) on the
> Florida World Cup and thought he was a very good rider with a very well
> prepped machine (NOVI built HX). I also indicated he had the potential to
> net would not go over well with the "powers-that-be" that are monitoring
> the internet. He stated "what powers-that-be, a group of faggats that can't
> ride so they play on the computer".
Both "Brent" and "Steve" must have thoroughly studied "How to make friends
and influence people"! Are they brothers, father and son, or what?!
> I replied no, the editors of major mags who will avoid giving you any coverage
> in their magazines due to your behavior and the decision making people at Bombardier
> who had already called me earlier in the day to inform me of the slanderous statements
> being made by Mr Sizemore and that they will bring this to the attention of Bruce
> Brahms, Sea Doo's racing coordinator.
Uh, oh, I think I hear a potential sponsorship being "flushed"...
> His whole disposition changed after he made this realization and he apologized
> for his statements and went on to say, he's never actually tried any of my products.
>
No doubt. I personally think it's a little late for "sorry", however.
> Brett was personally offended because he states he was in the car with
> Dustin Farthing when the Victor Sheldon incident took place and I had no business
> passing judgement on the incident without personal presence. More than
> that, he was absolutley pissed that anyone would make fun of his clothing and
> hairstyle.
Heh. Now I'm frightened. Well, it's nice to hear I'm occasionally right about
*something*! ;-D I guess we know who we're dealing with when comments about
hair and clothing styles result in fights...high school is a rough place. ;-D
> Appearently, when I made the reference to Dustin Farthing's
> cronies "wearing LL Cool "J" denims and Billy Idol haircuts"... I hit the
> nail on the head! As it turns out, Brett Sizemore and Dustin Farthing are
> best friends. Same age, same size, same friends, same clothes, same hairstyles,
> etc. When I made the comment regarding Dustin's friends, I had no idea Brett
> was one of these guys.
>
I guess they literally see "eye-to-eye"! ;-D
> I accepted Brett's apology and indicated that a public apology should be
> made on the internet... but not to me. For using the net as a place to wage a
> verbal war void of fact and full of malicious intent... that he had
> angered members of the newsgroup. I expected to see a post by Brett on the
> newsgroup today indicating his remorse, but I've not seen it on my server. Frankly,
> he doesn't strike me as a kid that could show remorse.
It could be that he can't post anymore, perhaps AOL reacted faster than I
anticipated...but you're probably right and chances are, he will never "fess up".
>
> In another irony, this kid was defending Dustin as a good friend would be
> expected to, however during his defense of Dustin's character, he was
> verifying my original statements about Dustin, and the impressions of
> others regarding Dustin's demeanor. I tried to explain to Brett that he could
> have done so much more for Dustin's image by telling the good points about
> his character, as opposed to firing off a barrage of hostile and malicious
> insults to myself and others.
>
Yeah, I've got three of my own personal E-Mail "jewels" courtesy of one
of the Sizemores...I've let a few people here read 'em, just to see their
reaction. The most common comments have been:
"He wrote this to YOU!?" "This idiot sure doesn't know you very well Dan!"
> Brett Sizemore's response and behavior is almost A-typical of the young
> racers I've been exposed to. It is the main reason I've avoided sponsoring
> racers. What's funny, is these kids all think they're special and the
> world owes them something. Hell, most hard-core recreational enthusiasts could
> outride them, but have more important things to do.
>
> Carl (the snake-oil salesman) Camper @ ULTRAC
Dan "EEEeew! I've been Hexed!" DePardo
Dan DePardo
HexMC785 wrote:
>
> Carl, The Snake Oil salesman. I am Bretts Father,
Okay. So you're the "Sizemore" that's been sending me the
hilarious "blue" E-Mail? From your language, I thought it
was a high school kid!
> and am responding to your blatant lies in regard to your conversation with
> my son the other day. I recommended that he call you and explain his position
> and reasons for responding in an agressive manner on the internet. I have read
> all of every response to FARTHING vsSHELDON that has been posted, and it appears
> to me, that in your feeble mind, your the only one that can make
> derogatory remarks and expect it to receive no rebuttle.
Uh, I'd check the "feeble" gauge on your own piddly lump of gray matter
if I were you pal. Rebuttals are great, and encouraged, but slander, E-Mail
abuse, and overall foul mouthed, childish rantings are typically frowned upon.
> Wrong again, sir. With all of your warnings about being a formal navy seal,
> and of huge physical stature, and subtle threats, I can only respond that
> the veterans home here has a huge cemetary.
Uh, oh. Now you've done it. I don't know about Carl, but I'm a Vet,
and not a "Veternarian" either. Wanna see my tattoo?
I really doubt that Carl would stoop to physically threatening your son
Mr. Sizemore. Even if he does dress a little funny.
> Brett did not say anything that you have represented that he
> said. So much for trying to teach your child to talk their problems out
> with someone, and make an attempt to resolve them, when you turn around
> and continue your bullshit tainted lies, in a futile attempt to paint a
> picture to the general public, unrelated to reality. Like you do
> when you sell your products.
Do you have any idea how the general public "here" currently views the
antics of you and your son?
> As for Bruce Brahm, and the powers that be at Sea doo, we all like Bruce for
> what he is , not for what he can do for us.
Ahhh, but does he like *you*!? Especially after you've bared your, uh, "soul".
> arent looking for a contract to develop products,or a free ride .(Carl you
> are the only parasite looking for a free meal ticket) We race for fun,
> thats exactly why we cannot waste money of our racing budget on products
> that dont work --like yours
Have you ever actually tried any Ultrac parts on your boat?
> Carl ,in closing I am writing letters to every major consumer group,
> 60minutes,dateline,20-20, describing the consumer rip offs based on
> exaggerated claims of performance gains, that unscrupulos aftermarket
> vendors such as yourself make as they prey on the general public.
> It would make a great story.
Yeah, I'm certain that any and all of the TV programs you've named
give a rodent's behind about PWC parts! Here's an idea, try writing
to PWC magazines with your complaints, or would that make too much
sense? Also, be sure to word your letters in the same manner as the
three E-Mail messages I received today Mr. Sizemore, I really think
you missed your calling as a comedian!
Dan "Lunatic Fringe" DePardo
Gregg Cohn
HexMC785 wrote:
> We race for fun,
> thats exactly why we cannot waste money of our racing budget on products
> that dont work --like yours
> 60minutes,dateline,20-20, describing the consumer rip offs based on
> exaggerated
> claims of performance gains, that unscrupulos aftermarket vendors such as
> yourself make as they prey on the general public. It would make a great
> story.
Please include my comments and the many more positive ones that will
follow in your letter campaign.
Ultrac products have performed exactly as advertised for me. If I have a
problem with anything I bought from Carl he makes it right. He has never
pushed any product on me and has talked me out of buying some of his
product because it would not work in the application I wanted to use it
for. I wish all aftermarket companies operated with the courtesy and
respect I received from Carl Camper and Ultrac.
I raced a stock 96XP last year in region 2. The only modifications were
Ultrac MF Pro grate and Aeroslot sponsons. While my race results are
nothing spectacular, I did manage to make the Western Regional Finals
and I have Carl's products to thank for that!
I find it rather distressing that I am forced into posting into this
rather immature thread, however I feel your unsubstantiated claims need
to be answered. I would much rather be focusing my time on important
matters such as keeping ride areas open and fostering better relations
between pwc owners and the public. Thanks for wasting my time and
demonstrating to the world the maturity(or lack of it) that is generally
associated with pwc operators.
HexMC785 your posts are dooing nothing to discredit Mr. Camper, but
certainly are dooing much to discredit yourself. You should have quit
when you were only a boat length or two behind!
Gregg "Remember the good ole days when rec.s.js was civil?" Cohn
Santa Cruz, CA USA
Tom Howlin
HexMC785 wrote:
>
> Accidently on purpose Carl is a devious character
Hey buddy (I use this anonymous title because you obviously shelter your
real identity), get off it! I'm no defender of Carl Camper, don't know
him but have used his products with results being what was advertised
and in the one case where I was less than happy, Ultrac was only too
happy to make it right. He is also an invaluable contributor to this
newsgroup although often times I don't have the intelligence level to
understand all his hydro-dynamic theories. Point is, we don't need your
foul mouthed nonsense on this group - if you have a problem with Ultrac
that can't be successfully resolved, take it to small claims court and
let an outside party decide. This group isn't for resolving personal
claims against a manufacturer, its for sharing information, ideas,
opinions and, for a great deal of the time, bs about how fast our skies
really go. So lay off, takea chill pill, go explore alt.drugs for some
medication and come back when your interested in participating in a
rational manner (just my opinion, no ones elected me newsgroup police).
Tom
Lake Anna Watercraft Center
Drew
NLW TFW NM wrote:
>
> Re: "but I accidently posted it to the newsgroup".
>
> Yeah, and yellow grates are top loaders.
>
> I tried that line once, too. Nobody bought it from me, either.
>
> 8--)
>
> Mike
Never a dull moment here in r.s.j....
I'm sure Harry is glad he moved "over here".
Now, does anyone have a name for a proctologist's boat?
How about you Harry? Brett? Steve?
-drewSKI
rpfi...@webspan.net
I have missed the first parts of this thread, but I really felt I wanted
to say at least one thing here.
I have seen Brett Seizmore at at least two different race locations.
That guy sure can ride the hell out of an HX! Riding his limited-class
HX, he beat all modified-class HXs on at least on of those days. I'm
not going to say everybody has to like B.Seizmore, but I do suspect a
lot of people in this newsgroup can learn a thing or two from him. I'm
sure he knows what works and what doesn't work when it comes the Sea-Doo
HXs.
My opinion (the one I'm entitled to) of the majority of the people who
participate in this newsgroup is that of people who take the gossip &
fluff in the internet too seriously and don't ride/race seriously.
These people are also the first to buy into some of the ABSOLUTE CRAP
offered by the industry rags. These people are very easily influenced
and jump on band wagons when they appear.
Too bad people are putting B.Seizmore, in the I already hate him
category.
Drew
Tom Howlin wrote:
>
> HexMC785 wrote:
> >
> > So lay off, takea chill pill, go explore alt.drugs for some
> medication and come back when your interested in participating in a
> rational manner (just my opinion, no ones elected me newsgroup police).
>
> Tom
> Lake Anna Watercraft Center
That warm and fuzzy feeling prevails...
Drew
Gregg Cohn wrote:
>
> HexMC785 wrote:
>
> Gregg "Remember the good ole days when rec.s.js was civil?" Cohn
> Santa Cruz, CA USA
Greg, it's nice to think about the good ole' days, but those days are
GONE on USENET. I will post an interesting article I have in one of my
Internet mags, relating to the evolution of newsgroups, when I get the
time. As more and more folks come "online" and jump in from forums such
as AOL , much of the "netiquette" of the past is lost in the transition.
It's simply technological evolution, not an influx of seedy characters
(like me). Before it was hard, it took some practice. Now it's easy. The
only defense against anarchy on the Net is the "self-police" policy and
mindset. Take characters like Hex, give them a chance, reprimand them,
warn them, then turn them in to abuse@whatever. Sooner or later they
will learn how to act on USENET. It may take a few account changes, and
they may inevitably "see the light" and come back "incognito." That's
the beauty of it.The problem with USENET is the illusion of
animosity...people feel free to say whatever they want without fear of
repercussion. We have the tools to hold anyone accountable (Fingers,
pings, etc.) and we need to. We need to accept the fact that contraversy
and natural flatullence (human nature) will be here, and we need to try
our best to excersize self control and self responsibility. Police
ourselves. Just don't let the government jump in and tell us what we can
and can't say on the World Wide Web.
-Drew(SKI)
NLW TFW NM
NLW TFW NM
Dan --
Surely, by " Mr. Sizemore, I really think you missed your calling as a
comedian!", I think you meant "commodian".
Mike
X*2 Fan (Dennis Copfer)
Bruce Holms <bho...@itchy.nafb.trw.com> wrote:
>She never once participated here, merely lurked, then
>proclaimed that she could get no useful information out of it. Hardly
>responsible journalism.
Some folks have no use for diamonds, which are too hard to find
anyway.
I REALLY appreciate the tech guys who share their knowledge, and the
racers who share their riding tips. Thanks, again.
dc
Whoever enjoys the most jet-skis wins!
LoBall101
Hey fellow groupies, I've got one for ya:
It kinda relates to the question......If a tree falls in the
forest, and noone hears it, does it make a sound?
This version goes like this...........If a "hex" blabs out loud
in the group, and noone even acknowledges its existence,
is anything even being said?
Laszlo
Lo-Ball Engineering
Carolina Watercraft Works, Inc.
Larry KN4IM
Drew <afo...@infi.net> wrote:
>Never a dull moment here in r.s.j....
>I'm sure Harry is glad he moved "over here".
>Now, does anyone have a name for a proctologist's boat?
>How about you Harry? Brett? Steve?
>-drewSKI
FingerWaves
SCVcym8567
**Subject: Re: ULTRAC CONSUMER ALERTCarl lies again
**From: hexm...@aol.com (HexMC785)
***Date: 10 Jun 1997 23:18:31 GMT
**Message-ID: **<19970610231...@ladder02.news.aol.com>
**Carl, The Snake Oil salesman. I am Bretts Father, and am **responding to
your blatant lies in regard to your **conversation with my son the other
day. I recommended **that he call you and explain his position and reasons
**for responding in an agressive manner on the internet. I **have read all
ofevery response to FARTHING vsSHELDON **that has been posted, and it
appears to me, that in your **feeble mind, your the only one that can make
derogatory **remarks and expect it to receive no rebuttle. Wrong **again,
sir. With all of your warnings about
**being a formal navy seal, and of huge physical stature, **and subtle
threats, I can only respond that the veterans home here has a huge
cemetary. Brett did not say anything that you have represented that he
said.
******So much for trying to teach your child to talk **their problems
out with someone, and make an attempt to resolve them*****, when you turn
around and continue your **bullshit** tainted lies, in a futile attempt to
paint **a picture to the general public, unrelated to reality. Like **you
do when you sell your products. As for Bruce Brahm, **and the powers that
be at Sea doo, we all like Bruce for **what he is , not for what he can do
for us. We arent **looking for a contract to develop products,or a free
ride **(Carl you are the only parasite looking for a free meal **ticket)
We race for fun, thats exactly why we cannot **waste money of our racing
budget on products
**that dont work --like yours
**Carl ,in closing I am writing letters to every major **consumer group,
60minutes,dateline,20-20, describing **the consumer rip offs based on
exaggerated
**claims of performance gains, that unscrupulos **aftermarket vendors such
as yourself make as they prey **on the general public. It would make a
great story.
If this is all you have to teach your son, go back to school..........
ABLE2SKI
In article <19970611013...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
loba...@aol.com (LoBall101) writes:
Some would say it doesn't work for your posts........... ;)
Andrew
W.S. O'Neal
--
Bill @ E-MAIL: Water...@worldnet.att.net
Larry KN4IM <kn...@mindspring.com.au> wrote in article
<339e0d1d...@news.mindspring.com>...
DARK SIDE of the MOON
>
>
Dan DePardo
Hi Mike;
Heh. Do you remember those "Tidy Bowl" commercials?
The ones with the little man in a tiny boat taking care of
the "bowl"...I suppose we could substitute a certain PWC and
pilot...
Dan "A Royal Flush" DePardo
W.S. O'Neal
--
Bill @ E-MAIL: Water...@worldnet.att.net
Dan DePardo <ddep...@eecs.ukans.edu> wrote in article
<5nmaua$4ed$1...@news.accessus.net>...
Dan,
Do not confuse the pilot with the pilot's father. I have yet to see a
post written by Brett Sizemore.
Bill O'Neal
WCM
Dan DePardo
>> Drew <afo...@infi.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Never a dull moment here in r.s.j....
>> >I'm sure Harry is glad he moved "over here".
>> >Now, does anyone have a name for a proctologist's boat?
>> >How about you Harry? Brett? Steve?
>> >-drewSKI
>>
"W.S. O'Neal" <Water...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> DARK SIDE of the MOON
>
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Ladies and gentlemen, and those of you classified as such..
We have a winner!
Dan "I'd like to buy a vowel" DePardo
Doc
Dan DePardo <ddep...@eecs.ukans.edu> wrote in article
> Both "Brent" and "Steve" must have thoroughly studied "How to make
friends
> and influence people"! Are they brothers, father and son, or what?!
They are probably "all the above"! (=
NLW TFW NM
If this proctologist who needs a boat name lives in the northern part of
the country, how about "Uppa U.S."? If from the Bronx in particular, ...
"Bronx Cheer"
Slow Poke?
Digit Widget?
Finger Man?
Say, "Ahhh"?
Open Wide?
Wipe Feet Before Entering?
PBZTPBZTPBZT!?
How do YOU Like the View?
Whaddaya Mean, It's Got Teeth?
Mike
NLW TFW NM
Can any of you guess where Brett got his disposition and atitude? The man
(I use the word to refer to his body parts, not his persona) should be
prosecuted for child abuse, with his attitude as Exhibits 1 through 100.
I can hear the prosecution's entire summary now ... "Jeez, people, just
LOOK at the guy's behavior!"
Mike
TEAMULTRAC
In a message dated 97-06-11 05:01:09 EDT, you write:
>Carl i challange you to show me one (ONE) pro rider that uses your
>products.
Dear Mr. Sizemore,
I don't know who uses my products. I don't use racers or their
testamonials in our ads to promote our products. I give technical info in
our ads and let the consumer use his own best judgement. We've had many
notable people using our parts, but I never really a good kept track of
them. Here's a few that I can remember....
1) WestCoast and Butch's race teams use our Sea Strainers.
2) Butch's ordered Magna-Flow PRO's and Stingers earlier this year.
3) Fischetti used our skegs.
4) Jeff Preiur used our skegs and sponsons.
5) Bo Dupriest used our Magna-Flow PRO's and Stingers in his last year
racing.
6) Mike Klippenstein (2-time Canadian National Champion) uses all our
stuff.
7) Brad Lockhart (World Slalom Champion, 2-time Canadian Champion) used
me!
8) Lincoln Dilling (Multiple World Cup Champion) uses all our stuff.
9) Rob Strauss (2-time Midwest Tour Champion) uses all of our stuff.
10) Mike McIntosh (2-time Midwest Tour Champion) uses all our stuff.
11) Dale Vrankx (owner of Odyssey, 1991 Canadian Champion) used all our
stuff.
12) Tim McKercher used our stuff.
13) Bruce Mesagno (Multiple World Cup & Watercross Champion) used our
stuff.
14) Attilio Ambrosio (Multiple Venezuelan National Champion) used all our
stuff.
15) Nacho Lazarraga (2-time Spain National Champion) uses all our stuff.
16) Flavio D'livio (Argentine National Champion) uses all our stuff.
17) Rick Mello (2-time Region 3 Grand Champion) uses all of our stuff.
There have been many other regional racers in a variety of classes using
my products, including a few notable people on the newsgroup such as,
Chris Paull, Bruce Holmes, Gregg Cohn, Giovanni Comin and several others
that have been very successful in their racing endeavors.
I have been contacted by most every race team effort at one time or
another (with the exception of those companies making their own
aftermarket parts) for sponsorship, but I have declined. Quite a few
*very* notable and *public* riders have had their feathers ruffled because
I was not interested in sponsoring them, and subsequently have made
attempts to discredit me.
After five years of hard work and development, we have earned the loyalty
and respect of every major Sea Doo dealer in the country. Of the 600 plus
dealers, better than half of them have ordered our products at one time or
another, and a large portion of that number continue to order more
products. I'm in business to make money. And the money is in delivering
sought after products to recreational riders, not "niche one-off, exotic
prototypes" for racers individual and selfish exploits.
The following testamonials would indicate your derrogatory statements
about my products are incorrect. These were testamonials I gathered a
couple of years ago. I've not pursued statements by anybody in the
business or racing in a couple of years because the ULTRAC line of parts
has become widely accepted and there's no need to continue to "hype" the
line. We have all the business we can handle.
** Please note, these testamonials came long before we introduced some of
our most recent and popular products.
**************************************************************************
***************
"I believe a Sea Doo equipped with Ultrac's components
has an unfair advantage...it's virtually unbeatable!"
BRAD LOCKHART / 1993 CANADIAN NATIONAL CHAMPION
1994 WORLD RUNABOUT SLALOM CHAMPION
"I've tested a variety of components on my race boats through the years
years before I tried Ultrac's Magna-Flow & Stinger. What an amazing
difference! I have won almost every event this season and set personal
best slalom times along the way."
MIKE McINTOSH / OWNER OF K&W CYCLES
1993 GREAT LAKES SERIES GRAND CHAMPION
1994 I.J.S.B.A. MIDWEST TOUR GRAND CHAMP
"Ultrac's components work better than anything else we have tested and
they have the technical expertise to back up what they claim. We have
incorporated their entire line into our catalogue."
BRUCE KAHLHAMER / P.S.I. PERFORMANCE
"We only sell what we believe in and what works the best!
These products work so well that we have continued to promote
them in our magazine ads. I only wish we had carried them sooner."
GUY ALVA / BERT'S SEA DOO MALL
" I was really impressed when I installed Ultrac's Magna-Flow,
Hidrofin & Stinger on my Sea Doo. Each one of the parts really
works great, but as a combination, it's unbelievable!
MARCIO MAYORGA / R & R JET TECH
" When it comes to bottoms, Ultrac is tops!! These are
the most impressive aftermarket parts I have tested!
LOU MERCADO / RIVA YAMAHA
" The engineering is superior, the quality is unmatched, and the parts
work as advertised!"
DAVID FIORELLI / MECHANICAL ENGINEER
1994 A.P.B.A. MID- AMERICA NOVICE
RUNABOUT MODIFIED SEASON CHAMPION
" When it comes to the performance & handling
of Sea Doo's, it doesn't get any better than Ultrac!"
MARCEL BOYER / MOTO DE LILE / SEA DOO RACE DEPT.
1994 QUEBEC NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
"We were surprized at the number of new components
originating from Ultrac, so we decided to give few of their
products a try. WOW! It was absolutely incredible! After
years of testing every conceivable combination, I was glad
to find someone who really knew what they were doing!"
DALE VRANCKX / ODYSSEY RECREATION
1991 & 1992 CANADIAN NATIONAL CHAMPION
"The increased stability is immediately evident. Chinewalking is
eliminated
and in it's place is a more comfortable and confident ride. The handling
is more predictable allowing very aggressive maneuvers."
JEFF HEMMEL / EDITOR WATERCRAFT WORLD
"What a difference.. the Hidrofin completely changes the handling
characteristics
for the better. The turning radius shrank considerably and cornering was
much more
predictable. We didn't expect to discover this, and we were highly
impressed when we did! The Hyperwing definately does deliver on its
promise of reduced porpoising and improved handling, continuing to
stabilize noticeably with increased speed!"
DAVE KELLY / SR. TECHNICAL EDITOR
PERSONAL WATERCRAFT ILLUSTRATED
" The power of our billet cylinders would be wasted without keeping the
pump hooked up. Ultrac's grate keeps me hooked up in the roughest water
and the hardest turns, without any loss in speed. I've tried all the other
grates, but I use Ultrac's Magna-Flow!
DEAN CARLSON / PRO RIDER SPORT CLASS
OWNER OF ABLE PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS
"We can't keep the Magna-Flow in stock! We've tried to sell top loader
grates, but our customers insist on and are willing to wait on Ultrac's
intake grate. I've never seen anything like it!"
DWIGHT COVELL / OAKDALE CYCLE & MARINE
"Ultrac's Magna-Flow and Hidrofin are number one in sales volume. Very
impressive product line, everything works and they back there stuff 100%!"
BILL MAJSZAK / AL GASKILL'S SEA DOO
"I was skeptical at first, but one ride later convinced me, these
components are
clearly outstanding. I was a die hard top-loader fan until now. We won't
sell
anything else but the Magna-Flow!"
TOM ANSLEY / REGENCY KAWASAKI - SEA DOO
"We made consistent runs of 54.9 mph on a Stalker radar gun with a mildly
modified 94XP. Then we installed the Stinger and boom... instant 55.6 with
a
noticeable increase in acceleration. I ordered six more the following
day."
DELVIS GARI / GABLES MARINE
"These products are winners!. Most impressive product line I've seen in
the watercraft industry" 1993 DealerNews / PowerSports Expo
MALCOMB SMITH / TUCKER ROCKY DISTRIBUTING
"The father of the motorcycle industry"
"We give our customer's a money-back guarantee on Ultrac's components if
they are not satisfied. We don't do that on other manufacturers products.
To date, not a single part returned, only referrals."
SHERYL / JIM'S IMPORT CYCLES
" Ultrac's parts are the best! We've tried all the others, but nothing
else works
as well."
JASON LANGWORTHY / SEA DOO OF FT. LAUDERDALE
"The Hidrofin turns a Waverunner or Sea-Doo into
a Ski-Nautique! The number of maneuvers we pull
in competition would be impossible without the fin.
You won't believe what a difference it makes in handling"
MIKE REINMAN / 2-TIME NATIONAL KNEEBOARD CHAMPION
"The Hidrofin is to watercraft ..what the Doel-Fin is
to boats. A major improvement in handling!"
JACK DOELCHER / INVENTOR OF THE
DOEL-FIN HYDROFOIL FOR OUTBOARDS
"We love Ultrac's parts! Always at the top of our recomended upgrade
list!"
PAUL KOMAI / RICE HONDA OF LA PUENTE
"Ultrac has the only line of aftermarket parts we recommend to our Sea Doo
customers, they're the only parts that really work."
CHUCK / PUEBLO SUZ-SEA DOO
"We install Sea Strainer's on every boat we sell. Frankly, they should
come from
the factory with these filters."
WEST COAST M/C (NAPLES)
"Jet Dynamics is in our backyard, but we sell the Magna-Flow from Ultrac.
It just works better!"
INTERMOUNTAIN MARINE SALES / Pocatello, Idaho
"ULTRAC is the only line we carry! There is no other."
STEFAN DZURKOVICH / SPORT CYCLE SUZ-SEA DOO
"It's amazing that my competitors are still continuing to
use top-loaders, even as I smoke 'em on the course."
ROB STRAUSS / ROB'S CYCLE CARE & SEA DOO
1995 IJSBA MID-WEST TOUR GRAND CHAMPION
TEAMULTRAC
In article <19970610231...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
hexm...@aol.com (HexMC785) writes:
>I am Bretts Father, and am responding to your blatant lies in regard to
your conversation with my son the other day.
If you are Brett's father, how do you know what *actually* transpired in
my conversation with your son.
>I recommended that he call you and explain his position and reasons
>for responding in an agressive manner on the internet.
Did you also tell him to start his opening statement... "is this Carl
Camper? I want you to know you're a f-cking dumb-@$$" ???
> I have read all of every response to FARTHING vsSHELDON that has been
posted, >and it appears to me, that in your feeble mind, your the only one
that can make
>derogatory remarks and expect it to receive no rebuttle.
It seems to me by now that almost any remarks made will be interpreted by
you as derrogatory.
> With all of your warnings about being a formal navy seal, and of huge
physical >stature, and subtle threats, I can only respond that the
veterans home here has
>a huge cemetary.
I'm not surprised you would take these "comments of guidance" out of
context and try to make me look like a bully. Do you think I'm foolish
enough to make threats to a minor? Really, father Sizemore (or is it
son)!!! I indicated that Brett might consider that the hostile and
derrogatory statements he's made to many newsgroup members might come back
to haunt him if he meets any of these people... say at the race sites? I
used my self as an example... I said (and I quote) "if you met me
personally, I doubt you would lash out with this kind of verbal abuse, as
my physical stature would make some people think twice". This was not a
threat. I was trying to find examples (in my feeble mind) of how to relate
your childs actions to him, in a way that I thought he would understand.
>Brett did not say anything that you have represented that he said.
Whatever.
>So much for trying to teach your child to talk their problems out
>with someone, and make an attempt to resolve them, when you turn around
>and continue your bullshit tainted lies, in a futile attempt to paint a
>picture to the general public, unrelated to reality. Like you do
>when you sell your products.
Whatever.
> We arent looking for a contract to develop products,or a free ride.
(Carl you
>are the only parasite looking for a free meal ticket)
From snake-oil salesman to parasite. I'm really moving up in the world.
>We race for fun, thats exactly why we cannot waste money of our racing
budget on >products that dont work --like yours
Appearently, you've never waisted any money on my products.
> Carl ,in closing I am writing letters to every major consumer group,
> describing the consumer rip offs based on exaggerated claims of
> performance gains, that unscrupulos aftermarket
> vendors such as yourself make as they prey on the general public.
You know, you keep bringing this subject up. Which one of my products are
you referring to? And when have I made unsubstantiated claims?
Carl @ ULTRAC
Sinsaeski
Hey Carl,
I met you a long time ago and I've been using your products for years.
Keep up the good work. I sent a post to Sizemoor and he responded>>
>> thanks for the info im an ex con who served 14 years in brushy
>> mountain state penn for second degree murder. I was shooting
>> seals when he was swimming in the bathtub
Sounds like a nice guy.
Kyle Vetter
Dan DePardo
W.S. O'Neal wrote:
> >
> Dan,
> Do not confuse the pilot with the pilot's father. I have yet to see a
> post written by Brett Sizemore.
> Bill O'Neal
> WCM
Hi Bill;
Well, here's what Mr. Sizemore himself has written:
> I am Bretts Father, and am responding to
> your blatant lies in regard to your conversation with my son the other
> day. I recommended that he call you and explain his position and reasons
> for responding in an agressive manner on the internet.
According to Mr. Sizemore, it certainly sounds like it was Brett who first
responded in an aggressive manner "here". If what he wrote above is at
all accurate, then they've both been "naughty boys".
I haven't received any new "potty mouth" E-Mail today from the hexm...@aol.com
address, so they're either laying low, or AOL finally pulled the plug on 'em.
*Someone* there was very busy last night however, since I had several new "gems" in
my mailbox this morning...the one I copied to you earlier, arrived here yesterday.
Dan "Takin' out the trash" DePardo
TUPPERJ
Drew wrote:
> the beauty of it.The problem with USENET is the illusion of
> animosity...people feel free to say whatever they want without fear of
Actually, the animosity is real. The anonimity (sp?) is an illusion.
Yeah, picky SOB, aint I? :-)
I did agree with you, and thought your comments well thought out.
Paul J.
X*2 Fan (Dennis Copfer)
rpfi...@webspan.net wrote:
>Too bad people are putting B.Seizmore, in the I already hate him
>category.
Why? Most of us will never benefit from his racing skill. Perhaps if
he contributed with more positive posts on racing tips, tricks, etc we
would all be reading a different thread.
Like Seth, I can say EVERY rider of my 95GTX loves the changes from
the Ultrac grate and stinger. If someone has a similar hull, I highly
recommend these parts for rec rider use.
X*2 Fan (Dennis Copfer)
TUPPERJ <TUP...@Prodigy.Net> wrote:
Yeah . . when he's not smoking something funny or drinking. :D
"Drink My Dust!" Oops . . not gonna happen on my X*2. When do I get
that GSX, son?
Drew
TUPPERJ wrote:
>
> Drew wrote:
> > the beauty of it.The problem with USENET is the illusion of
> > animosity...people feel free to say whatever they want without fear of
>
> Actually, the animosity is real. The anonimity (sp?) is an illusion.
>
> Yeah, picky SOB, aint I? :-)
>
> I did agree with you, and thought your comments well thought out.
>
> Paul J.
Thanks for setting me straight.
I am feeling alot of animosity towards you right now.
And I prefer to be anonymous. :)
-Jack
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Doug Keller
Bruce Holms wrote:
>
> In article <339C38...@westcoast.com>,
> Doug Keller <do...@westcoast.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Kinda helps validate Cindy's points from her review in PWC Zone ???
>
> Does it? My server is running upwards of 150 posts per day. Miss Jones
> would have you believe that's 150 posts of useless information not worth
> your time. Maybe 10, possibly 20 percent is garbage, the rest is arguably
> useful to someone. I don't have any use for impeller information for a
> GP1200 or GSX, but that info may be useful to someone, no?
>
> Miss Jones proved in her article that she knows little to nothing about
> Usenet newsgroups. She never once participated here, merely lurked, then
> proclaimed that she could get no useful information out of it. Hardly
> given her a "D" for her efforts.
>
> ---
>
> Bruce Holms
> bho...@itchy.nafb.trw.com
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2801/
>
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Sorry Bruce, I should've elaborated...I think that this whole thread is
indicative of the "dark side" of human nature - and the annonymity of
the internet just seems to magnify it - That is what I got out of
Cindy's article when I read it - I agree with you that alot of good
information comes through these posts - but I for one have radically
diminished my level of posts (some would say that's a good thing)
because I didn't like the way the threads seemed to disintigrate into
pissing matches and testosterone grunts. I just wish we could stay more
civil - but then this is the real world too, huh????
NLW TFW NM
Hey, Carl -
I can write.
I can't ride yet, but I can write.
How much do I get to add to your list of testimonials?
Mike Fick
HexMC785
hey doc you just got some brownie points with the KING OF KANSAS<
FIREPLACE PEDDLER IN ALABAMA< CARL THE ENTEPRENUER(HEY CARL)
AND JOHN HOLMES BROTHER< BRUCE< I ALMOST FORGOT NOBALLS@
CAROLINA WATERLEAKS
TEAMULTRAC
In article <19970612184...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
nlwt...@aol.com (NLW TFW NM) writes:
>Hey, Carl -
>I can write. I can't ride yet, but I can write.
Hey Mike!
You can't ride? That's a joke! Your 97XP tops out at 45 mph at your mile
high elevation, so... we don't have to worry about you hanging on to the
blistering speed! Besides, ex-windsurfers are truly the most coordinated
PWC riders I know. Heck, if you can hang on to a surfboard with a sail...
you can ride *ANYTHING*!!!
>How much do I get to add to your list of testimonials?
Come on Mike, nobody's suppose to know about that! OK, OK, we'll pay
$10 for the "Sea Strainer catches more fish" testamonial, and...
$20 for the "ULTRAC decal increased my top speed" testamonial, and...
$30 for the "Liquid Speed enhanced my love life" testamonial, and...
$40 for the "the Hidrofin gave my life new direction" testamonial, and...
the $100 prize is..." the Stinger is a Babe Magnet" !! ;-)))
Carl @ ULTRAC
NLW TFW NM
Actually I plan to use my SeaStrainer foe emergency rations. If baleen
whales can survive on krill for decades, I should be able to live
overnight on a strainer-full of squiggly things.
And maybe if we sharpen our MagnaFlow's scoop's leading edges and place a
net over our nozzles, we got sushi! Of route the sushi through our water
box and we got fish McNuggets!
Mike
X*2 Fan (Dennis Copfer)
teamu...@aol.com (TEAMULTRAC) wrote:
>the $100 prize is..." the Stinger is a Babe Magnet" !! ;-)))
Yes, it really is. On Grapevine yesterday it was rematch time. My 95
GTX was about even to slightly slower than a friend's 750 ZXi last
year. This year, with the stinger, it was NO contest. He was so far
behind after only 10 - 15 seconds I had to slow down and let him catch
up. Wonder if the choppier water and his lack of riding for 10 months
had anything to add to it? :D