Test XP goes 70.4 pump gas.oil injection
Water...@worldnet.att.net
In testing , We got runs of 70.4,70.2,70.2,70.1,69.9,69.8 mph. Stalker guns (2) Three riders, 145lbs.,170lbs.,225lbs. Motor: ROTAX TWIN, 160 psi, pumpgas,oil injection. Jet dynamics grate, oddessy sponsons. 70 degrees,flat water(fresh),860 alt. OEM 1995 XP hull. Thanks to: Miller engineering,Factory Pipe Products,Skat-Trak,V.E. Clyinders. Speeds verified by Skat-Trak's Stalker radar gun and our Stalker gun. I'm tired of reading about Polaris 64 MPH "speed runs. Bill.
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Benh1100
And when will see this 70mph seadoo in a major magazine.
Ben Herman
Jason Dickie
Water...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> In testing , We got runs of 70.4,70.2,70.2,70.1,69.9,69.8 mph. Stalker guns (2) Three riders, 145lbs.,170lbs.,225lbs. Motor: ROTAX TWIN, 160 psi, pumpgas,oil injection. Jet dynamics grate, oddessy sponsons. 70 degrees,flat water(fresh),860 alt. OEM 1995 XP hull. Thanks to: Miller engineering,Factory Pipe Products,Skat-Trak,V.E. Clyinders. Speeds verified by Skat-Trak's Stalker radar gun and our Stalker gun. I'm tired of reading about Polaris 64 MPH "speed ru
>
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
to read about something like that! An XP doing 70 mph. I know alot of
people who would pay alot of money for that.
Smljetskis
Remember, we're talking STOCK out of the crate. Far cry from a stock SD800
@58MPH. I believe your your really going to "get tired" this spring when
more POLARIS SL1050's hit the water and this newsgroup becomes flooded
with postings confirming speeds. Maybe by summer we'll thank FACTORY PIPE
for a triple pipe for that rascal, how will you "feel" then? Hey, POLARIS
got their act together on this one, it's about time a manufacturer
delivered more than anticipated. Don't you think this will be a "wake up"
for SEA DOO, YAMAHA, KAWASAKI? Their engineers will just have to work a
bit harder next year. Guess who benefits from that........
Anthony Donato
What you should have said was "It's about time Polaris got their act
together. Last summer I raced 11 races in the Sea Doo Mid Atlantic tour
and you know how many Polaris skis I saw? I'll tell you ZERO, NONE,
NADA. Maybe this summer you Polaris guys will get the BALLS to go out
and compete with these great new skis. I'm not talking on the national
level where big bucks and factory backing equals speed but on the
regional level where not everyone there has paying sponsors and it's a
much more level playing field. But until a Polaris rider on one of
these "65 MPH" skis beats me all these pro Polaris postings are nothing
but HOT AIR!!!
Tony
joo...@tir.com
AX TWIN, 160 psi, pumpgas,oil injection. Jet dynamics grate, oddessy sponsons. 70 degrees,flat water(fresh),860 alt. OEM 1995 XP hul=
l. Thanks to: Miller engineering,Factory Pipe Products,Skat-Trak,V.E. Clyinders. Speeds verifie=
d by Skat-Trak's Stalker radar gun and our Stalker gun. I'm tired of reading about Polaris 64 MPH "speed ru
>>
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>Don't leave us hanging. Tell us more about this fairy tale. I would like
>to read about something like that! An XP doing 70 mph. I know alot of
>people who would pay alot of money for that.
ron emberton
Smljetskis wrote:
>
> Remember, we're talking STOCK out of the crate. Far cry from a stock SD800
> @58MPH. I believe your your really going to "get tired" this spring when
> more POLARIS SL1050's hit the water and this newsgroup becomes flooded
> with postings confirming speeds. Maybe by summer we'll thank FACTORY PIPE
> for a triple pipe for that rascal, how will you "feel" then? Hey, POLARIS
> got their act together on this one, it's about time a manufacturer
> delivered more than anticipated. Don't you think this will be a "wake up"
> for SEA DOO, YAMAHA, KAWASAKI? Their engineers will just have to work a
> bit harder next year. Guess who benefits from that........
the boat to reckon with on the regional level last time i read the rule
book im sure that anything bigger than a 785cc engine moves on to the
1200 class. i cant wait to see the #'s on the gsx ltd. i think you might
just have yourself a little comp. ron" i can sea the light" e
Jason Dickie
> >
> > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
> Don't leave us hanging. Tell us more about this fairy tale. I would like
> to read about something like that! An XP doing 70 mph. I know alot of
> people who would pay alot of money for that.
By the sounds of it, anyone who is willing to put there money where
there mouth is can buy there own package. They have been testing for a
long time and are now ready to share.
Gregg Cohn
> Smljetskis wrote:
> >
> > Remember, we're talking STOCK out of the crate. Far cry from a stock SD800
> > @58MPH. I believe your your really going to "get tired" this spring when
> > more POLARIS SL1050's hit the water and this newsgroup becomes flooded
> > with postings confirming speeds.
Why are we even comparing a 1000cc Polaris to a 782cc Seadoo? Bill did
your XP have the 1000cc jugs on it?
I think that if you compare boats with similar sized engines(660,785,
1200) you will find they are pretty closely matched in terms of horse
power and top speed. It is the all important handling category in which
the differences become VERY apparent.
There are several other manufacturers that have new 1200 class boats for
1997.(SeaDoo GSX-Ltd, Yamaha GP1200, Tigershark 1000) It will be
interesting to see what radar readings will be posted on these entries.
Gregg "Dan....I haven't forgot it's payment time again" Cohn
grc...@cats.ucsc.edu
Santa Cruz, CA, USA
Phil Muller
Jason,
That's incredible speeds. The fastest XP800 I've seen personally ran 63.0
MPH on the gun. What did you do to get 7 MPH. How much horsepower is this
puppy putting out? How is the handling at this speed? Wow! I get goose
bumps just thinking about it.
joo...@tir.com wrote in article <5b3uci$q4r$1...@ramp2.tir.com>...
Jason Dickie <ja...@mid.igs.net> wrote:
>Water...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>
>> In testing , We got runs of 70.4,70.2,70.2,70.1,69.9,69.8 mph. Stalker
guns (2) Three riders, 145lbs.,170lbs.,225lbs. Motor: ROTAX TWIN, 160 psi,
pumpgas,oil injection. Jet dynamics grate, oddessy sponsons. 70
degrees,flat water(fresh),860 alt. OEM 1995 XP hull.
Thanks to: Miller engineering,Factory Pipe
Products,Skat-Trak,V.E. Clyinders. Speeds verified by Skat-Trak's Stalker
radar gun and our Stalker gun. I'm tired of reading about Polaris 64 MPH
"speed ru
W.S. O'Neal
You're 100% RIGHT!! We all benefit from from POLARIS Technology. I wrote my
post to show that there are a few of us out here that can't wait for the
manufactors to get around to giving us what we know we all want and
deserve ... and that some of us are capable of doing it now. I personally
believe, with the hull,motor(3cly's), triple pipes, sponsons, scoop grate
etc.etc. that come on the Polaris, we should see 76-78MPH soon. I mean I'm
doing it with a TWIN so why not go faster with a triple. Do you think 80MPH
is out of our reach? I don't. Don't wait till summer to thank FACTORY PIPE.
They have already done the work for you and me, now it's up to us to make
them really look good at the RACES in 1997. After all, they wouldn't be
going 64+ now without FACTORY PIPE! Yes POLARIS got their act together and
built a boat to go out and clean some clocks in superstock. This should be
a great year ! and I for one can't wait. I know I'll feel just fine come
October. Bill. Smljetskis <smlje...@aol.com> wrote
in article <19970109165...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Remember, we're talking STOCK out of the crate. Far cry from a stock
SD800
> @58MPH. I believe your your really going to "get tired" this spring when
> more POLARIS SL1050's hit the water and this newsgroup becomes flooded
W.S. O'Neal
Splash magazine's Tom Kerker said he would love to do the story as long as
we let him ride it too. We are trying to get our scedules co-ordinated for
the photo/test session. It should be soon. I 'm going to let Tom ride it
first at the local lake then we will take it to his favorite spot for the
photo shoot. Bill
Benh1100 <benh...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970109092...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
W.S. O'Neal
Last spring, Mel Miller and I built some 970cc motors for the XP's and we
got the best of 67.1mph with Skat-Traks Greg Stuart riding it at
Puddingstone in San Dimas. While I was away racing on the tour, Mel had RAD
PERF. build a couple of special cranks so we could go where no man has ever
gone with the 782 Rotax. 1090cc's When we got ready to go to the World
Finals we were running the 970 motor. at the last minute Mel delivered the
new motor. Well, we had a problem, the motor had 4 spark plugs! I called my
friends at Jetinetics and they worked 24hrs a day for several days to build
us an ignition system. Man, I never knew it was so hard to build an
ignition from scratch in such a short time! New flywheel, new pick-up,new
brain,2 coils etc.etc. Then testing at Havasu, All at the last minute!
(I'll never do that again) anyway, the thing ran like a ROCKET but we kept
having problems with the computer causing all kinds of problems, so Jeff
stayed up all night making new ones on the night befor qualifying so we
could use the 4 plug head. In the meantime, miller was back home making a 2
plug head so we could switch to that if we had to. By now it was time to
get Scott qualified so we put him on the back-up 970 which had won the
national 1200 title the day before for Rodger Coles (He rented it from me
for $500.00 bucks..what a deal he got!!) Scott qualified for the main at
about the time I got done putting the twin plug head and ignition back in
the boat. So I gave the 970 to Kurt and he also qualified it. Now you can't
have 2 guys riding the same boat in 1 race so I asked Scott what he wanted
to do, race the 970 or go to the LCQ with the 1090. Before I could finish
asking, he was over at scoring withdrawing from the main! Scott then won
the LCQ by half a track so that put him in the main. At the start, about
40-60 yards out Scott had a lead of 2-4 boats when the engine sputtered and
he pulled off to the side to keep from being ran over( it turned out to be
a blessing to have come from the LCQ and starting on the outside or he may
not be amoung the living today). It turned out that a ground wire on the
coil came loose. Bummer! Since then we put the motor into an oem hull with
2 spark plugs and the testing has gone great. the motor has many hours on
it and the speed numbers I posted are very real and they are "hot" numbers
after many runs on several different days. There are many of this
industry's best people that had something to do with this project. I'm
tired of typing so I'm gonna take a break. See ya and thanks for your
interest in our boat. Bill O'Neal
joo...@tir.com wrote in article <5b3uci$q4r$1...@ramp2.tir.com>...
Jason Dickie <ja...@mid.igs.net> wrote:
>Water...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>
>> In testing , We got runs of 70.4,70.2,70.2,70.1,69.9,69.8 mph. Stalker
guns (2) Three riders, 145lbs.,170lbs.,225lbs. Motor: ROTAX TWIN, 160 psi,
pumpgas,oil injection. Jet dynamics grate, oddessy sponsons. 70
degrees,flat water(fresh),860 alt. OEM 1995 XP hull.
Thanks to: Miller engineering,Factory Pipe
Products,Skat-Trak,V.E. Clyinders. Speeds verified by Skat-Trak's Stalker
radar gun and our Stalker gun. I'm tired of reading about Polaris 64 MPH
"speed ru
>>
>> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
>Don't leave us hanging. Tell us more about this fairy tale. I would like
>to read about something like that! An XP doing 70 mph. I know alot of
>people who would pay alot of money for that.
----------
Mike Calhoun
The Mid Atlantic Tour is not the only place on the planet to race
watercraft. In Region 3 5 different people qualified for the World Finals
on Polaris. Apparently in your area you don't have any good Polaris dealers
supporting good riders.
Groupklemm
70.4 mph on an XP platform is certainly a very good piece of work. The
applications for a machine like this (presumably) would be for pro
modified open class IJSBA closed course racers, as well as the numerous
"grudge racers" that lurk at the local rivers and lakes.
However the lion share of IJSBA closed course racers must comply with the
new Super Stock class (this XP cannot). In the world of grudge racing,
the GP 1200s with not much more than a Sleeper kit and a prop, have
already run 70+. We suspect that most grudge racers will seek this
platform because of the low (total) cost.
While there is great satisfaction (and entertainment value) in the
construction of a "cost is no object" boat, there is very little market
for it. At Group K, we applaud the achievement of these technicians. But
this machine seems to be a very expensive answer to a question that very
few owners are asking.
Most XP closed course racers have been asking us for the fastest possible
Super Stock legal setup...that they can afford. Most grudge racers want
the fastest boat...period... (that they can afford). All the owners that
call us are interested in how fast they can go for "X" number of dollars.
If this 70 mph XP can be reproduced for less than $9000 retail (boat,
mods, and labor)...these guys have got it made. If it's alot more than
that... they just have another very expensive "dream boat". Most pwc
owners we talk to belive that every peice of "radar hype" needs to be
accompanied with a price list... we think so too. Regards, Harry Klemm
Group K
Mark Wilkinson
I have to agree with your assessment of the marketability (or lack
thereof) of "cost is no object boats". Only a few extremely well heeled
"grudge" racers can afford this year's one off exotic, when next year's
factory units may be within striking distance. The rate manufacturers'
are increasing engine performance and changing hulls leaves any would be
"King of the Lake" with a one season term of office. Witness the speeds
attained by your GP1200 Sleeper (please elaborate), the stock Polaris
units, the Factorypipe XPs, and hopefully, stock Seadoos. Now, more
than ever, Superstock, Limited, Sleeper/Hammer kits, whatever you want
to call cost conscious modifications seem to make sense.
I don't mean to diminish the effort of anyone building a 70 mph XP. It's
fantastic. So is the pro tour. I just view those efforts more like R&D
that will hopefully reach numbnuts like me someday, than efforts
designed to produce a marketable product. Regards, Mark Wilkinson
Dennis L. Copfer
group...@aol.com (Groupklemm) wrote:
>70.4 mph on an XP platform is certainly a very good piece of work.
[snip of lots of good comments]
> Most pwc
>owners we talk to belive that every peice of "radar hype" needs to be
>accompanied with a price list... we think so too.
Besides knowing boats, this piece shows he knows his market, too.
dc
Whoever enjoys the most jet-skis wins!
Dennis Copfer
Dennis L. Copfer
Mark Wilkinson <mw...@popd.ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I don't mean to diminish the effort of anyone building a 70 mph XP. It's
>fantastic. So is the pro tour. I just view those efforts more like R&D
>that will hopefully reach numbnuts like me someday, than efforts
>designed to produce a marketable product.
Hmmm . . .Dreamers, inventers, tinkerers, and scientists all
contribute to product improvement. . . Efficient business people who
know the market make those improvements available to the rest of us.
Thanks goodness for both Bill and Harry! And the many others involved
with the PWC industry.
Now if only I could take a job in Havasu . . . .
Phil Muller
Groupklemm <group...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970110175...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> 70.4 mph on an XP platform is certainly a very good piece of work..... In
the world of grudge racing,
> the GP 1200s with not much more than a Sleeper kit and a prop, have
> already run 70+. We suspect that most grudge racers will seek this
> platform because of the low (total) cost.
Harry,
I am trying to make up my mind between the Polaris SL1050 and the GP1200.
If I could get a reasonably priced GP1200 that runs around 70, it might be
a better all around PWC than the 1050. But, then again, the 1050 feels
smooth and has a really good top end. From talk on the net, it seems that
the GP1200 really handles well in the rough stuff and accelerates much
faster than the 1050. Since I haven't seen the GP1200 in action I have no
way of judging the merits of both bikes. Can you lend any insight here?
I use a PWC mainly for grudge racing. I have determined through the use of
calculus the following: a 1/4 second edge over another PWC in a 0-50 MPH
run will cost 1 MPH on the top end in a quarter mile race. This is
assuming that a constant acceleration curve is achieved throughout the 0-50
MPH run. For example: let's say that the GP1200 can accelerate from 0-50
in 3.8 seconds and the Polaris SL1050 can perform the same task in 4.8
seconds. If both bikes were to drag race in a 1/4 mile and the GP1200
reached a top speed of 60 MPH in the 1/4 mile, then the 1050 would have to
have a top speed of 64 MPH to tie the GP1200. To win, the 1050 would need
a top speed of 65 MPH.
In a controlled race, the GP1200 and the 1050 should be very close. But,
in normal Saturday afternoon conditions on my lake there is no such thing a
glassy smooth water and by the time you run a quarter mile you have to make
a turn because a boat is in your way. All in all, I think the bike with
the acceleration, length and handling could prevail. What do you think?
Phil Muller
ph...@softwaretech.com
teamu...@aol.com
In article <32D4EB...@mid.igs.net>, Jason Dickie <ja...@mid.igs.net>
writes:
>> In testing , We got runs of 70.4,70.2,70.2,70.1,69.9,69.8 mph. Stalker
guns
>(2) Three riders, 145lbs.,170lbs.,225lbs. Motor: ROTAX TWIN, 160 psi,
>pumpgas,oil injection. Jet dynamics grate, oddessy sponsons. 70
degrees,flat
>water(fresh),860 alt. OEM 1995 XP hull.
>Thanks to: Miller engineering,Factory Pipe Products,Skat-Trak,V.E.
Clyinders.
With all due respect Mr. O'Neil, I expect your speeds would have been
higher if you had replaced the Odyssey Sponsons with the ULTRAC Aero-Slot
Sponsons. At the speeds you're achieving, hydrodynamic drag grows
exponentially and the Odyssey sponsons will create a substantial amount
"blow-out" (laminar disruption) at the mounting base. The ensure the least
drag, try using the original "symmetrical" airfoil that Bombardier made as
a warranty upgrade on the 93XP, before they stumbled onto the paraboilic
design. Of course this will sacrifice handling tremendously, but will give
you Stalker Radar numbers that look impressive.
Also, the Jet Dynamics grate works very well for providing downforce in
race/rough conditions, but the top loading design is not conducive to high
speed laminar flow into the intake housing. This is not to say the
stock/OEM grate will work better, because it can be detrimental at
extremely high speeds. The amount of lift achieved at 70 mph on a 430 lbs
hull is sufficient to encounter ventilation, which will result in lack of
good intake priming and subsequently reduced thrust mass. I would suggest
a grate that is more conducive to high speed operation, such as the
Magna-Flow PRO.
Just offered for your consideration....
Carl Camper, Chief Worker Ant
http://www.interlog.com/~jlogan/ultrac/ultrac.html
ULTRAC PERFORMANCE SYSTEMS
1500 N.W. 62nd Street, #510
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309
954-351-1943 / 1944 fax
W.S. O'Neal
Splash wants to do the article as soon as Tom Kerker and I co-ordinate our
scedules, but that usally means 2-3 months before it comes out in the mag.
They have done stories on our stuff in the past. One time in 1993 they
wanted to do a story on our boat( I think I had just set the speed and e.t.
records for drag racing at the I.J.S.B.A. drags race in San Dimas, Ca. 57+
MPH) so they came to the lake with their Stalker and the boat ran 59.1 to
all of our suprise! I knew it would do 58+. You can read about it in an old
issue of splash, I don't remember what month it was. Tom wants to take it
to the river to his favorite photo site for background etc. We should be
doing the shoot soon. thanks for your interest. Bill
W.S. O'Neal
Carl, Is this an offer from you to send us the parts that you wan't us to
try? If so send them right away so we can test them and send back the
results of you theories or have you already done this at 70+ MPH and can
guarantee that it will work? Bill teamu...@aol.com wrote in article
<19970111153...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
W.S. O'Neal
We love you Harry, Bill & Diane O'Neal.
Groupklemm <group...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970110175...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
W.S. O'Neal
Harry, I agree with most of your last post........ Except that, so far, my
post has generated 16 replies so far, and that tells me that people are
interested in either our work or promoting their own products on this
thread. Yes,your right about us doing this project to win races, You know
very well that is and has been the focus of Watercraft Magic for many
years, and yes we do build these for "grudge" racers who will spend big
dollars to get what many people would love to own, but cannot afford . I'm
sorry about that, but these wouldn't cost so much if we could build them in
quanity.
-- As we only concern ourselves with the performance modifications on
Sea-Doo watercraft, I must work with what Sea-Doo offers for powerplants.
Thus, in order to get the twins to outperform the triples, is a great
challenge for us. The kind of challenge we take pride in meeting, and yes
sometimes we win and sometimes we don't. That's why we love you and others
out there who keep this business a challenging field. We also
offer Superstock motors and porting services at prices that people can
afford, just like Group K, and being that we get numerious calls each day,
I feel there is plenty of racers wanting mine and your services( by the
way, if anyone needs good porting, Harry does do a good job of it. I know,
I have some of his sleeper clyinders and carb mods on my wifes boat, and
they work just fine).
I'm sorry you view my post as "Radar hype", It was not
intended for that. If this net group is sensitive about such matters, I
will refrain from posting future items of this nature and stick with
the"what kind of oil should I use" type responses. But HEY without my post,
I wouldn't know that my boat will go alot faster with different sponsons or
scoop grate( or was that a laminar flow director?), so you see, when others
respond to my posts, I get an education from a hydrodynamics wizard without
having to spend a dime.
One of my goals in posting my article
is very important to me, and that is to let people know that without the
people like Mel Miller this boat would not exist, He designed this motor
and built it in his garage, and has once again proven to me that he is the
best two stroke engineer available to the pwc aftermarket industry. Also,
without Skat-Trak all of Millers hard work would be wasted. Factory pipe
has THE BEST pipe so far, available for the rave motors. V.E. clyinders do
work, and so far, I haven't noticed the Jet dynamics grate doing anything
but making the boat go faster than any other product I've tried, ditto on
the Odessy sponsons(but if Carl sends the parts, that may change). I will
sure be the first one to let you know, you can count on that!
In closing, I want to thank everyone for their
interest and feel free to e-mail or call me at the shop at 818 914 9509.
Bill @ E-MAIL: Water...@worldnet.att.net
Groupklemm <group...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970110175...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> 70.4 mph on an XP platform is certainly a very good piece of work. The
> applications for a machine like this (presumably) would be for pro
> modified open class IJSBA closed course racers.....
But
> this machine seems to be a very expensive answer to a question that very
> few owners are asking.
> Most XP closed course racers have been asking us for the fastest possible
> Super Stock legal setup...that they can afford. Most grudge racers want
> the fastest boat...period... (that they can afford). All the owners that
> call us are interested in how fast they can go for "X" number of dollars.
> . Most pwc
> owners we talk to belive that every peice of "radar hype" needs to be
Water...@worldnet.att.net
In article <01bbfea2$f39e1040$5e4498ce@sti>,
"Phil Muller" <ph...@softwaretech.com> wrote:
> Dear Jason, We estimate the hp at at least 160 +, The handling, with the Odessey sponsons is fine . I really have a hard time seeing any difference between 62 & 70 mph as far as the handling goes, but keep in mind I'm not racing this boat either, I'm testing for relibility and speed right now.
>
> That's incredible speeds. The fastest XP800 I've seen personally ran 63.0
> MPH on the gun. What did you do to get 7 MPH. How much horsepower is this
> puppy putting out? How is the handling at this speed? Wow! I get goose
> bumps just thinking about it.
>
> Jason Dickie <ja...@mid.igs.net> wrote:
> >Water...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >>
> guns (2) Three riders, 145lbs.,170lbs.,225lbs. Motor: ROTAX TWIN, 160 psi,
> pumpgas,oil injection. Jet dynamics grate, oddessy sponsons. 70
> degrees,flat water(fresh),860 alt. OEM 1995 XP hull.
> Thanks to: Miller engineering,Factory Pipe
> radar gun and our Stalker gun.
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
Eric W
Whats the fuss my 900 SL will do 71 MPH stock
jetskifast
750sx
750SL
900SL
Soon to be 1050SL
"Phil Muller" <ph...@softwaretech.com> wrote:
>Groupklemm <group...@aol.com> wrote in article
><19970110175...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
John Galbreath Jr.
W.S. O'Neal wrote:
>
> ERIC< Donot sell that SL900. 71MPH is incredible!! You must have gotten
> that 1 boat in a million that each manufactor makes to keep the rest of us
> quessing.I'm sure your stalker was glowing and beeping in the poor guys
> hands when you made that run or did the Highway Patrolman clock it for you?
>
> Bill @ E-MAIL: Water...@worldnet.att.net
>
> Eric W <jetsk...@pipeline.com> wrote in article
> <5bd3vm$v...@camel4.mindspring.com>...
> > Whats the fuss my 900 SL will do 71 MPH stock
> > jetskifast
> > 750sx
> > 750SL
> > 900SL
> > Soon to be 1050SL
> > "Phil Muller" <ph...@softwaretech.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Groupklemm <group...@aol.com> wrote in article
> > ><19970110175...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> > >> 70.4 mph on an XP platform is certainly a very good piece of work...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
I think you hit the nail on the head! I have a 95XP and an 1100 Raider
that will run 90 MPH+. But the state trooper was not impressed and told
me to slow my stuff down while on the interstate.
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Chuck Bruni
teamu...@aol.com wrote:
> Dear Bill,
My group (Ameriquest Technologies) designed and developed light
water-jet
> propelled vessels for the Navy (almost identical to todays PWC by
> standards) that exceeded 70 mph >
********[background on Carl snipped]*******s
>********[more background on Carl]********
>
>********[more background plus an uppercut to Bill's left eye]******
> We achieved 70 mph before the Yamaha WaveRunner was introduced. We were
> discerning high speed handling quirks of surface piercing pumps above 90
> mph before Bombardier produced the first Sea Doo. Let me ask you Bill....what were> you doing in the eighties?
********[the I loved you, but now I don't thing]*******
> I had respect for you based on Bombardier placing faith in you for one
> racing season.
*******Actually he has been getting their help for a lot more than one
season. I think Bill's up to 4 seasons now. Remember the boat Robert
Magpoc had. It pulled Stevens out of every turn. Magpoc just chickened
out and took the wrong side of the split to let Stevens win the first
moto and the overall. Robert did win moto two though.********
>I had respected you based on the good words of reliable
> newsgroup members like Giovanni Comin or Chris Paull. But after reading
> the previous statement, I can only conclude that your arrogance is only
> exceeded by you ignorance.
[Bad conclusion, this is a lawyer type thing to do, take data and
streeetttccchhh it to make a conclusion where there is none. Remember
how OJ didn't kill Nichole because the police all got together and set
him up...all 20 of them, with no advance notice of the crime date, and
oh yeah, they didn't all know each other before hand, but they still got
together anyway...]
>
> I have no intention of sending you any of my parts, as I'm not in need of
> third party approval, especially from someone that has their own
> aftermarket agenda.
**********[come on...send him the parts. If he's wrong this will quiet
him up. If your right then a lot of his customers will swith to Ultrac
stuff. And besides, the newsgroup wants to know...]************
>
***********Oh no!!! I have parts from both these guys on my boats. In
the past these parts have worked well together...Bill's fast engines and
Carl's good handling stuff. But now that they are at war...
I wonder if the different parts on my SeaDoos will try to fight with
each other. I wonder if they will still work well together. I hope so.
********
Chuck "Can't we all just get along" Bruni
W.S. O'Neal
teamu...@aol.com
In article <01bbffee$627bcb00$18d0...@billstoy.worldnet.att.net>, "W.S.
O'Neal" <Water...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>Carl, Is this an offer from you to send us the parts that you wan't us to
>try? If so send them right away so we can test them and send back the
>results of you theories or have you already done this at 70+ MPH and can
>guarantee that it will work?
Dear Bill,
My group (Ameriquest Technologies) designed and developed light water-jet
propelled vessels for the Navy (almost identical to todays PWC by
standards) that exceeded 70 mph with conventional 2-stroke powerplants
supplied by Mercury Marine and connected to dual-stage axial flow pumps
with mixed flow bypasses. Our speeds were in excess of 90 mph with
deployable hydrofoils. The only limiting factor was the weight of the
navigation and weapons systems that had to be carried.
For reference purposes, I left M.I.T. for this Defense Department
contract. I was instrumental in the design of the hulls and at the time
(and still to this day) some very revolutionary pump systems. Most of the
technologies that I've cross-platformed to the PWC industry are in
effect... hybrids of my original work.
With regard to my theories concerning high speed flow... my research was
conducted at the US Navy's Hydrodynamic Flow Track located on the
Mississippi River in Memphis, Tenn. Subsequent computer modeling and
analysis was performed in conjunction with a Cray 9000 SuperComputer in
Annapolis at the Charles Day Research Center. Prototypes were regularly
tested at lake "X", Mercury High Performance Research facility located
just south of Orlando, Fla, which was near our development center.
We achieved 70 mph before the Yamaha WaveRunner was introduced. We were
discerning high speed handling quirks of surface piercing pumps above 90
mph before Bombardier produced the first Sea Doo. We helped developed
software programs to analyze the data recieved from specialized measuring
equipment on high speed hulls and/or pumps, that is now being accessed and
used by Bombardier and Yamaha Motor Corp. Let me ask you Bill....what were
you doing in the eighties?
> But HEY without my post, I wouldn't know that my boat will go alot
faster with >different sponsons or scoop grate( or was that a laminar flow
director?), so you see, >when others respond to my posts, I get an
education from a hydrodynamics wizard >without having to spend a dime.
I had respect for you based on Bombardier placing faith in you for one
racing season. I had respected you based on the good words of reliable
newsgroup members like Giovanni Comin or Chris Paull. But after reading
the previous statement, I can only conclude that your arrogance is only
exceeded by you ignorance.
>I haven't noticed the Jet dynamics grate doing anything but making the
boat go faster >than any other product I've tried, ditto on the Odessy
sponsons(but if Carl sends the >parts, that may change). I will sure be
the first one to let you know, you can count on >that!
I'm flattered that you think so highly of the Odyssey Sponsons. Guess
where Dale got the idea? He was my distributer in Canada for three years
and I wrote several articles for him that he had published in Hot Water
Magazine. Dale is an opportunist. And he will never benefit from my
knowledge again.
I have no intention of sending you any of my parts, as I'm not in need of
third party approval, especially from someone that has their own
aftermarket agenda. However, I am aware of the article you wrote for
WaveRider Magazine that basically slammed my sponsons (a couple of
newsgroup members brought it to my attention). I've also been informed by
several customers that use my equipment, and have chosen you for your
engine building services, that you had nothing really nice to say about my
stuff, even thought they swore by ULTRAC equipment.
While everybody is entitled to their opinion, you might consider this....
I talk with several hundred enthusiasts every month. Many of them are very
much need of engine building services. Unlike Rossier, or R&R, or
WestCoast, or any number of other companies, we do not perform service
work or build motors and therefore we are more than happy to refer our
customers to reputable engine builders. Just something to think about.
Carl Camper (listed in Janes Military Encyclopedia: Who's Who; Naval
Research)
http://www.interlog.com/~jlogan/ultrac/ultrac.html
ULTRAC PERFORMANCE SYSTEMS
1500 N.W. 62nd Street, #510
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309
954-351-1943 / 1944 fax
1-888-ULTRAC-1 (toll-free)
able...@aol.com
(lots of "constructive criticism" snipped)
I can't help but remember the infamous Crone / Klemm incident..........
Andrew
W.S. O'Neal
I guess not Chuck,I really don't understand why, I guess you shouldn"t call
a guy with all thoes credentials a wizard. maybe thats it?
--
Bill @ E-MAIL: Water...@worldnet.att.net
Chuck Bruni <chu...@mail.idt.net> wrote in article
<32DB1C...@mail.idt.net>...
> teamu...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Dear Bill,
>
> My group (Ameriquest Technologies) designed and developed light
> water-jet
> > propelled vessels for the Navy (almost identical to todays PWC by
> > standards) that exceeded 70 mph >
>
> ********[background on Carl snipped]*******s
>
> >********[more background on Carl]********
> >
> >********[more background plus an uppercut to Bill's left eye]******
>
> > We achieved 70 mph before the Yamaha WaveRunner was introduced. We were
> > discerning high speed handling quirks of surface piercing pumps above
90
> > mph before Bombardier produced the first Sea Doo. Let me ask you
Bill....what were> you doing in the eighties?
>
> ********[the I loved you, but now I don't thing]*******
>
> > I had respect for you based on Bombardier placing faith in you for one
> > racing season.
>
> *******Actually he has been getting their help for a lot more than one
> season. I think Bill's up to 4 seasons now. Remember the boat Robert
> Magpoc had. It pulled Stevens out of every turn. Magpoc just chickened
> out and took the wrong side of the split to let Stevens win the first
> moto and the overall. Robert did win moto two though.********
>
> >I had respected you based on the good words of reliable
> > newsgroup members like Giovanni Comin or Chris Paull. But after reading
> > the previous statement, I can only conclude that your arrogance is only
> > exceeded by you ignorance.
>
> [Bad conclusion, this is a lawyer type thing to do, take data and
> streeetttccchhh it to make a conclusion where there is none. Remember
> how OJ didn't kill Nichole because the police all got together and set
> him up...all 20 of them, with no advance notice of the crime date, and
> oh yeah, they didn't all know each other before hand, but they still got
> together anyway...]
> >
> > I have no intention of sending you any of my parts, as I'm not in need
of
> > third party approval, especially from someone that has their own
> > aftermarket agenda.
>
Water...@worldnet.att.net
In article <19970114002...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
teamu...@aol.com wrote:
>
> In article <01bbffee$627bcb00$18d0...@billstoy.worldnet.att.net>, "W.S.
> O'Neal" <Water...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
> >Carl, Is this an offer from you to send us the parts that you wan't us to
> >try? If so send them right away so we can test them and send back the
> >results of you theories or have you already done this at 70+ MPH and can
> >guarantee that it will work?
>
>
> My group (Ameriquest Technologies) designed and developed light water-jet
MegaFlow
(Stuff Removed)
Dear Bill,
My group (Ameriquest Technologies) designed and developed light water-jet
propelled vessels for the Navy (almost identical to todays PWC by
standards) that exceeded 70 mph with conventional 2-stroke powerplants
supplied by Mercury Marine and connected to dual-stage axial flow pumps
with mixed flow bypasses. Our speeds were in excess of 90 mph with
deployable hydrofoils. The only limiting factor was the weight of the
navigation and weapons systems that had to be carried.
"My Group" If this is like any other government job, there were 2 skilled
EDUCATED workers and 30 supervisors who didnt know there ass from a hole
in the water.
For reference purposes, I left M.I.T. for this Defense Department
contract. I was instrumental in the design of the hulls and at the time
(and still to this day) some very revolutionary pump systems. Most of the
technologies that I've cross-platformed to the PWC industry are in
effect... hybrids of my original work.
"Left MIT" I see, that is before achieving any type of degree I take it.
Not even a bachelors? By MIT you mean Massachusets Institute of Technology
or some other obscure MIT.
With regard to my theories concerning high speed flow... my research was
conducted at the US Navy's Hydrodynamic Flow Track located on the
Mississippi River in Memphis, Tenn. Subsequent computer modeling and
analysis was performed in conjunction with a Cray 9000 SuperComputer in
Annapolis at the Charles Day Research Center. Prototypes were regularly
tested at lake "X", Mercury High Performance Research facility located
just south of Orlando, Fla, which was near our development center.
More stories of "Our Team" and prestigious places. I think if you put Bill
Oneals
motor in a 100 LBS titanium torpedo shell it would do over 120, on a
Stalker that is. How did you guys fare in that scoop grate shoot out that
PWC Zone did?
We achieved 70 mph before the Yamaha WaveRunner was introduced. We were
discerning high speed handling quirks of surface piercing pumps above 90
mph before Bombardier produced the first Sea Doo. We helped developed
software programs to analyze the data recieved from specialized measuring
equipment on high speed hulls and/or pumps, that is now being accessed and
used by Bombardier and Yamaha Motor Corp. Let me ask you Bill....what were
you doing in the eighties?
Wow all this and all you can get is 1 mph faster than an R & D grate or
any other grate. I think the BS is about to come to an end.
Laminar flow, hydrodynamics etc, Bill Chapin of R & D carved a scoop grate
out of a chunk of aluminum and made $$$$$$$$ and made baots work great. I
don't think I have ever heard him claim to be anything he is not. So you
can take the theory without any formal educational up and throw it out the
window
I had respect for you based on Bombardier placing faith in you for one
racing season. I had respected you based on the good words of reliable
newsgroup members like Giovanni Comin or Chris Paull. But after reading
the previous statement, I can only conclude that your arrogance is only
exceeded by you ignorance.
>I haven't noticed the Jet dynamics grate doing anything but making the
boat go faster >than any other product I've tried, ditto on the Odessy
sponsons(but if Carl sends the >parts, that may change). I will sure be
the first one to let you know, you can count on >that!
I'm flattered that you think so highly of the Odyssey Sponsons. Guess
where Dale got the idea? He was my distributer in Canada for three years
and I wrote several articles for him that he had published in Hot Water
Magazine. Dale is an opportunist. And he will never benefit from my
knowledge again.
I have no intention of sending you any of my parts, as I'm not in need of
third party approval, especially from someone that has their own
MegaFlow
Dan DePardo
Hi Andrew;
Yeah, it kinda smells the same anyway...;-D
(and me with nothing available to scrape my it off my shoe)
When I see people here write:
"Gee, I wish the PWC manufacturers would participate here more"
I often tell them:
"Be careful what you wish for"
I've got just as big a mouth/keyboard as anybody, and over the years
we PWC peons have "toasted" each other is many a flamefest, and admittedly,
I'm a grizzled veteran of many a "Flambe' de la Dan"... ..but now
more *qualified* PWC business oriented individuals are carrying the torch...
We're now seeing PWC businesses saturating this newsgroup, with various claims
about their "stuff". These claims (factual or not) have been made here for
basically one reason...to get us interested in their "stuff" so that we'll spend
our $$$ on their efforts, be it "parts" or "services", as well as keeping an
eye on what the competition is saying/doing/selling.
I personally don't have a problem with that, provided they stick to the charter,
it's interesting and nearly informative, but the various commercial combatants might
want to consider exactly what they're showing us when they engage in the:
"We can do no wrong, and oh, by the way... you suck" kind of thing.
(That's *my* job...as a narrow-minded, overly-opinionated, PWC "stuff" consuming geek!)
In my opinion, if this trend continues, it won't be long before most PWC oriented
business will *have* to monitor this group, simply to protect their back/reputation
against "sniper shots" from the competition...as well as the occasional disgruntled
consumer.
(Guilty! I'm pretty digruntled with a certain PWC publication at the moment ;-D )
Dan "Am not!, Are too!, Did not!, Did too!, etc.,etc." DePardo
JRS
Christopher Paull
In article <32DB1C...@mail.idt.net>, Chuck Bruni <chu...@mail.idt.net>
writes:
|> *******Actually he has been getting their help for a lot more than one
|> season. I think Bill's up to 4 seasons now. Remember the boat Robert
|> Magpoc had. It pulled Stevens out of every turn. Magpoc just
|> chickened
|> out and took the wrong side of the split to let Stevens win the first
|> moto and the overall. Robert did win moto two though.********
I was there and saw this boat run...
Magpoc hole shot EVERY race (by like 3-5 boat lenghts)
he entered with that boat...
That old SeaDoo was amazingly quick/fast -- Bill definitely
knows how to put together some fast boats...
Then again didn't Carl do the handling package on the
Odessy Racing GTX that set the Slalom record that same
year?
||>
|> ***********Oh no!!! I have parts from both these guys on my boats. In
|> the past these parts have worked well together...Bill's fast engines
|> and
|> Carl's good handling stuff. But now that they are at war...
I use stuff from both Bill and Carl also.
They both build good stuff...
They both also provide very good information for us here
in internet land.
|>
|> I wonder if the different parts on my SeaDoos will try to fight with
|> each other. I wonder if they will still work well together. I hope
|> so.
|> ********
The parts will continue to work just fine together...
I intend to continue using both...
--
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http://reality.sgi.com/employees/cpaull
USPS: MIPS Technologies, Inc. 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd.
P.O. Box 7311 M/S 10L-175 MountainView, CA 94039-7311
PHONE: (415)-933-4424 VOICE: "Yo, Chris!" -- Standard Disclaimer --
"Mere words do not suffice, to understand you must experience."
W.S. O'Neal
Carl, How old are you? When I met you, you appeared to be younger than me,
and in 1966 , when Bombardier built the first Sea-Doo, I was a Freshman in
college. In the eighties I was winning championships in off-road races in
California, Baja And Nevada and beating every Sea-Doo in my area. Then in
1992, it was my Sea-doo that entered the first Budweiser Jetsports Tour
event open to runabouts(4 boats entered). For the first three CT California
state Championships, the only runabouts that left the races with Ist place
titles were mine. I have won a championship in California every year since
including this year, modified 1200 runabout. In 1993, my boat beat the
unbeatable PJS boat at the World Finals bring me the Closed Course PRO
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, MY boats have competed on the national tour every year
since they have allowed runabouts, Many Many WINS in several classes,
Including 5 or 6 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS . Bombardier has sponsored Watercraft
Magic EVERY year, 1993,1994,1995,1996. Carl, I asked you a very straight
up-front Question: HAVE YOU TESTED YOUR PARTS ON A SEA-DOO AT SPEEDS IN
EXCESS OF 70MPH and if so can you GAURANTEE that they will be faster than
what I have now. Are you paranoid or something dude, chill out and get your
facts together before you attack me or anyone else. Where did you get this
idea that I think so highly of Odyssey sponsons, was it because I mentioned
that they were on the boat? I don't recall praising them. I have to wonder
if Dale is going to agree with you about who's idea it was to make Odyssey
sponsons, you can bet I'll ask him tomorrow. Who else are you going to go
after this week? Lets see, so far this week it's been Dave Banes, Jeffery
Ortberg, Glen and Bill at R&D, the whole staff at Watercraft World and I
haven't gotten around to reading the next 36 unread messages . Man you need
professional help in a bad way. Your post about Jeff and R&D was total
BULLSHIT. 1. Jeff worked at Splash for 9 months, not the 18 you posted. in
that time he never wrote an article about R&D. Jeff doesn't even know Bill
Chapin, and barely even knows Glen Dickenson. I don't CARE if you built
BATTLE SHIPS for the Navy or ROW BOATS for aliens, your'e TECHNO-BABBLE IS
BULLSHIT.. SEND THE LOUSY PARTS AND I WILL POST THE RESULTS-- GOOD OR BAD
so we can all see the results. Now **** or get the hell off the pot!!!
There are real men waiting to use it. WOW!
able...@aol.com wrote in article
<19970114033...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Simon Wallace
teamu...@aol.com wrote:
>
>Dear Bill,
<snip>
> Let me ask you Bill....what were
>you doing in the eighties?
<snip>
> I can only conclude that your arrogance is only
>exceeded by you ignorance.
<snip>
Lighten up Carl.
Christopher Paull
What kind of an IDIOT is this MegaFlow???
Whatever is going on between Magic and Ultrac is just that...
Between them...
Carl knows what he is talking about... He doesn't need
your insulting inuendo's... Especially when you clearly
don't show that you know any better.
At least Carl can back up his statements with REAL test
data and a REAL understanding of hydrodynamics.
I use his sponsons, and his Intake grate.
They work BETTER than any of the other intake/sponson setups I
have tried. (This includes Jet Dynamics, DG Outlaw, Oddessy, and
a few others...) (Based on my race results...)
I also know that Bill O'Neal has tons of experience,
and has built PROVEN race winning SeaDoo's...
You should STAY OUT of this thread unless you have
some REAL information to add.
Just jumping in and Slamming someone shows what a MORON you are.
In article <19970114115...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
|> used by Bombardier and Yamaha Motor Corp. Let me ask you Bill....what
|> were
|> you doing in the eighties?
|>
|> Wow all this and all you can get is 1 mph faster than an R & D grate or
|> any other grate. I think the BS is about to come to an end.
|>
|> Laminar flow, hydrodynamics etc, Bill Chapin of R & D carved a scoop
|> grate
|> out of a chunk of aluminum and made $$$$$$$$ and made baots work great.
|> I
|> don't think I have ever heard him claim to be anything he is not. So
|> you
|> can take the theory without any formal educational up and throw it out
|> the
|> window
|>
|> I had respect for you based on Bombardier placing faith in you for one
|> racing season. I had respected you based on the good words of reliable
|> newsgroup members like Giovanni Comin or Chris Paull. But after reading
|> the previous statement, I can only conclude that your arrogance is only
|> exceeded by you ignorance.
|>
|> >I haven't noticed the Jet dynamics grate doing anything but making the
|> boat go faster >than any other product I've tried, ditto on the Odessy
|> sponsons(but if Carl sends the >parts, that may change). I will sure be
|> the first one to let you know, you can count on >that!
|>
|> I'm flattered that you think so highly of the Odyssey Sponsons. Guess
|> where Dale got the idea? He was my distributer in Canada for three
|> years
|> and I wrote several articles for him that he had published in Hot Water
|> Magazine. Dale is an opportunist. And he will never benefit from my
|> knowledge again.
|>
|> I have no intention of sending you any of my parts, as I'm not in need
|> of
|> third party approval, especially from someone that has their own
|> aftermarket agenda. However, I am aware of the article you wrote for
|> WaveRider Magazine that basically slammed my sponsons (a couple of
|> newsgroup members brought it to my attention). I've also been informed
|> by
|> several customers that use my equipment, and have chosen you for your
|> engine building services, that you had nothing really nice to say about
|> my
|> stuff, even thought they swore by ULTRAC equipment.
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
--
ron emberton
trDan DePardo wrote:
>
> able...@aol.com wrote:
> >(lots of "constructive criticism" snipped)
> >
> >I can't help but remember the infamous Crone / Klemm incident..........
> >
> >Andrew
>
bill go at each other the view i get with no offense is that carl gets
upset when you even mention another product. i could be wrong but thats
what i get oh yeah can you think of anything i can buy for under $20, i
have decided not to renew my wally world subscription. oh well
ron"what can i get for $20" e
Dennis L. Copfer
able...@aol.com wrote:
>(lots of "constructive criticism" snipped)
>
>I can't help but remember the infamous Crone / Klemm incident..........
>
>Andrew
ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL
. . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . .
. ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . .
.ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .ROTFL
. . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . .
Seems like about this time last year my contribution was:
Whoa. . . We all need some more time on the water!
Dennis "Deja News . . .no, deja vu all over again" Copfer
ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL
. . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . .
. ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . .
.ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . .ROTFL . . . ROTFL . . . .
Dave Worley
- I was going to sit this one out but couldnt resist ;-p
- A friend referred me to Bill Oneil a while back regarding some mods for my XP800, and I have spoken with Bill on several occasions.
- Bill has allways been extremely helpfull and is VERY knowledgeable about racing applications for Sea-Doo's, He never once tried to sell me anything and even referred me to Performance Propeller for some custom prop work when he had the oportunity to sell me the same thing!
- Carl has allways taken the time to answer my questions and contribute to the newsgroup as well, but he did sell me several things that turned out to be illegal for racing ;-D (which I had to remove or couldnt use).
- I would like to see Bill continue contributing his wealth of knowledge to this group, could we please refrain from all the mine is better than yours attacks!
- If the aftermarket companies/individuals want to post claims, than I say its for the CONSUMERS to dispute their findings/results as there will be some some real world results to back up or disprove their claims.
- I switched to a Jet Dynamics intake grate from "another" brand and also used the Odyssey sponsons on my XP800 with a Swirl impeller that Bill recommended.
- When I raced My XP800 with only these mods in the few races that I competed in, my XP was consistantly faster to the first buoy than most of the other racers that had full limited boats! (I preferred the HX and concentrated my efforts on it).
- Dave Worley "Racer X"
- rac...@flash.net
- http://www.flash.net/~racerx
able...@aol.com
In article <5bfm7q$v...@news.accessus.net>, Dan DePardo
<ddep...@eecs.ukans.edu> writes:
>able...@aol.com wrote:
>>(lots of "constructive criticism" snipped)
>>
>>I can't help but remember the infamous Crone / Klemm incident..........
>>
>>Andrew
>
>
As usual, your assessment is spot-on, and much more humorously written
than what emanates from my keyboard.
For the knowledge hungry consumer such as myself, the Klemm / Crone
incident was a major letdown. For the unaware, the result was a reputable
engine builder decided that defending himself against the occasional
potshot was too much trouble and opted to decline his participation in the
newsgroup. I still remember the sinking feeling when I read that person's
"notice" that he was departing; after all it was me that started the
"Can't we all just get along" thread that preceeded his departure
(OK--it's all MY fault). Ironically, at the time I failed to remember
those were the words of Rodney King.......
Regardless, we have seen this develop before, and I for one was not
pleased with the outcome before; does history have to repeat itself?
Andrew
W.S. O'Neal
HEY GUYs, Iv'e posted my last time on this issue. This article that I
wrote was to inform this group what is possible to do with your Sea-Doo's
if you have the means to do it. No more, No less. Now it is time to end it,
as the only chat is about each other and is totally off the subject, I felt
I responded the way I needed to at the time, for that I do not apologize. I
will not respond to anymore post's on this subject: Carl/ Bill. If anyone
is still Interested in the Sea-Doo , E-Mail me. That way we can discuss
this amongst ourselves privately, without flames flying around every time
we exchange thoughts. Thanks to thoes who tried to help, this subject is
closed.
Christopher Paull <cpaull@sea_doo.mti.sgi.com> wrote in article
<5bgiab$a...@chronicle.mti.sgi.com>...
Simon Wallace
cpaull@sea_doo.mti.sgi.com (Christopher Paull) wrote:
>
>What kind of an IDIOT is this MegaFlow???
>
>Whatever is going on between Magic and Ultrac is just that...
>Between them...
Just let it die for itself. By bringing this argument into an open,
public forum, it is clearly NOT just between them.
<snip>
>You should STAY OUT of this thread unless you have
>some REAL information to add.
>
>Just jumping in and Slamming someone shows what a MORON you are.
Wwhether you like it or not, they don't have to put up with insults
from you either. This is supposed to be a FRIENDLY discussion forum
after all.
Steve Kanowjetski
Good one Chuck !
SteveK
Steve Kanowjetski
WHAT THE @#$&* IS THIS !!!!!!!
Are you sure your not just reading your XP guage upside down ????
90 MPH........... that's about 150km/h !!!!!!!!!
I don't think so !!!!
SteveK
teamu...@aol.com
In article <32DBD7...@flash.net>, Dave Worley <rac...@flash.net>
writes:
>Carl has allways taken the time to answer my questions and contribute to
>the newsgroup as well, but he did sell me several things that turned out
>to be illegal for racing ;-D (which I had to remove or couldnt use).
Actually Dave, that was one set of HX sponsons, which as you know ... were
legal until the efforts of Dave Banes to have them disqualified through
the IJSBA. And I believe I replaced the illegal Magna-Flow with a legal
version for you. Again, this was all for a Sea Doo HX, which none of the
officials at the races were sure how to judge or rule due to the new hull
configuration and we were trying to give selected racers like your self
any possible advantage. Oh yeah, and I believe we has the only grate
available that would fit the HX.
Thanks a lot Dave.
Carl @ ULTRAC
ron emberton
Dan DePardo
able...@aol.com wrote:
>As usual, your assessment is spot-on, and much more humorously written
>than what emanates from my keyboard.
>
>For the knowledge hungry consumer such as myself, the Klemm / Crone
>incident was a major letdown. For the unaware, the result was a reputable
>engine builder decided that defending himself against the occasional
>potshot was too much trouble and opted to decline his participation in the
>newsgroup.
Hi Andrew;
Well,I'm of the opinion that rumors of Harry's "online death" have been
greatly exaggerated! He still responds to posts directed towards Group K,
as well as posting updates to his WWW site...and his info is much more readily
available at his site, due to posting propagation delay as well as the
temporary nature of USENET posts.
>I still remember the sinking feeling when I read that person's
>"notice" that he was departing; after all it was me that started the
>"Can't we all just get along" thread that preceeded his departure
>(OK--it's all MY fault). Ironically, at the time I failed to remember
>those were the words of Rodney King.......
>
>Regardless, we have seen this develop before, and I for one was not
>pleased with the outcome before; does history have to repeat itself?
>
Since "pushing the envelope" of PWC performance seems to be of great
interest to both Mr. O'Neil and Carl, although from slightly different
tangents...here's an idea!
Carl, why don't you take your best shot (figuratively of course ;-D )
at designing/modifying a "killer" hull and pump configuration, while
Mr. O'Neil whittles an appropriate 950 or bigger Rotax from hell?
The combination of the 175 HP or so of Rotax and a relatively lightweight,
fast hull, (or how about a carving hull that isn't a bloated heavyweight?)
would have a pretty good chance of owning a PWC top speed record, (if there
even is one) and I suspect such a joint effort might prove to be much more
satisfying than hurling flaming electrons at each other...but then again,
maybe it "hurts so good" that you guys are liking the battle.
Would PWC fans who *need* the baddest boat on the planet buy such an
"Ultra-Magic" craft? 'Prolly.
Dan "Kiss and make-up?" DePardo
Dirk Mermans
Dan DePardo <ddep...@eecs.ukans.edu> wrote:
> I'm a grizzled veteran of many a "Flambe' de la Dan"... ..but now.
If I were you I'd change from de la into du, de la is for the
female sexe ;-))).
Dirk 'I hate french' Mermans
W.S. O'Neal
I guess you did not read my former post: The Carl/Bill case is closed as
far as I'm concerned. Bill
Dan DePardo <ddep...@eecs.ukans.edu> wrote in article
<5bitd6$b...@raven.cc.ukans.edu>...
Doug Keller
Can't we all just get along? Speaking as one who's been there (on both
sides of the banter). I think we'd ALL be much better off if we cut out
the personal attacks and talked about performance and preferences - we
can do that without being so mean, can't we?
--
Douglas A. Keller
Director of Computer Resources
Westcoast Performance Products USA, Inc
800-222-6011
http://www.teamwpp.com
Dave Worley
- This was not meant as a slam, hence the smiley, your sh$t works great!
- I used the ULTRAC Skegs all of my 95 season without getting busted ;) and removed them
- for the 96 season since I was planning on racing in the WFQ races, I thought the HX grate was legal but was proven otherwise during tech inspection. I never installed the sponsons as I was concerened about failing a tech inspection with those at a WFQ as I wouldnt have time to remove them, I was hoping they would be certified for 97. The one-piece grate you sent me was top-notch but somebody else has it now as I have "stripped" my HX and put it back to stock as I plan on racing a 97XP this year, probably just for fun in the stock class if they have one........but you never know, a good friend is building a killer HX that I might end up with: PSI II twins, red-top carbs (spigot mount).
- Dave Worley "Racer X"
Gregg Cohn
ron emberton wrote:
> oh well
> ron"what can i get for $20" e
Join the IJSBA for 25 bucks and get a year of Jet Sports Mag. Tell them
to spend your money on governmental issues!
Gregg
ron emberton
member since i started riding runabouts. ron
oh by the way i have a sub. to splash and pwi. and wally world. i would
be glad to help fight anti-pwc laws since here in texas we are
experiancing the same thing everyone else is.
Simon Wallace
Kanio...@mail.dec.com (Steve Kanowjetski) wrote:
>
>WHAT THE @#$&* IS THIS !!!!!!!
>
>Are you sure your not just reading your XP guage upside down ????
>
>90 MPH........... that's about 150km/h !!!!!!!!!
>I don't think so !!!!
>
>SteveK
I got my 750SX up to 135km/h (about 85mp/h) and that was with a broken
down engine!
Sime
Steve Kanowjetski
This is what happens when you don't read your email's carefully !!!
I'll eat my words........ thanks everybody....
By the way, I still want to know if the bearings on the trailer are
still ok ???
Steve "dont' rush through the goddam newsgroup" Kaniowski
Simon Wallace
Kanio...@mail.dec.com (Steve Kanowjetski) wrote:
Hehe, caught ya! The bearings are still alive after hooning back home
to Sydney from Swansea down the Pacific Highway at 135 km/h. Well, at
least I think they're still alive, though I haven't checked them for
about 9 months, then again, my damned ski is always broken down so I
never get to use the damned trailer! Bloody electricals!
Sime