The ski started cold on the trailer and ran fine , but would not restart.
It got worse and we replaced every electrical part without improvement,
until now. GroupK said replace the Jetinetics flywheel with a stocker.
When I got the Jetinetics off I placed my 3/4" rachet onto one of the
maganets, it fell off. I then tried it with the stocker, it stuck solid. I
call this the "Fisher Emag exam" and I have applied for US patents.
After replacing the wimp fly with the stocker the spark was so strong it
started on one cylinder and scared the bjesus out of me.
Well I now have a big smile and am day dreaming of riding free. Free from
the tow rope that I have become accustomed to.
******************** NEW INFO *****************
Jetinetics refused to warranty their crappy product!
My dealer called them and they admitted they no longer used "those"
maganets, but would not warranty the flywheel. YET
I have some serious plans for those fuckers. In some states they could be
liable for the countless hours it took to find the problem as well as the
hundreds of dollars spent on new parts. We shall see.
--
Sincerely
Rick Fisher
Dest regards
Donal Campbell
Thanks for the info,
SHARK DADDY
Your not listening, the truth is we have taken care of any problems with
these old flywheels that were legitimate. This Rick guy is full of his
own shit. We never declined to repair or replace these flywheels, his
is not one of them! If you caught my most recent response, Fisher's
flywheel was made 3 years before we ever had problems, further, his is
way out of warranty. How long do we warrant something, especially one
in the hands of such an obvious ass? Bullying me and slandering our
reputation ain't gonna help, Mr. Fisher. But if you continue with this
sort of untruth and slander, I may be talking to you in a courtroom.
Our warranty program has worked for the past 8 years, and it still does.
We don't have magnet problems any more, haven't for going on 4 years
now, and when we did it was isolated to a specific group of magnets
installed into an identified group of flywheels. Mr. Fisher lies! He
has publicly stated something which is completely false. Mr. Fisher can
come at me head on, but you better be driving something large.
Bob Pernice
Owner, Jetinetics
>
>Your not listening, the truth is we have taken care of any problems with
>these old flywheels that were legitimate. This Rick guy is full of his
>own shit. We never declined to repair or replace these flywheels, his
>is not one of them! If you caught my most recent response, Fisher's
>flywheel was made 3 years before we ever had problems, further, his is
>way out of warranty. How long do we warrant something, especially one
>in the hands of such an obvious ass? Bullying me and slandering our
>reputation ain't gonna help, Mr. Fisher. But if you continue with this
>sort of untruth and slander, I may be talking to you in a courtroom.
>Our warranty program has worked for the past 8 years, and it still does.
>We don't have magnet problems any more, haven't for going on 4 years
>now, and when we did it was isolated to a specific group of magnets
>installed into an identified group of flywheels. Mr. Fisher lies! He
>has publicly stated something which is completely false. Mr. Fisher can
>come at me head on, but you better be driving something large.
>
>Bob Pernice
>Owner, Jetinetics
But don't you think coming on so strong and threatening in PUBLIC here
is going to make customers like us think twice about buying Jetinetics
products in the future? I own my own business servicing electronic
organs and public address systems in churches, businesses and homes.
When publically attacked, as you have been, I'd love to drag them to
the nearest dock and drown them. But I can't. I bite my tongue,
smile and point out POSITIVE things about my services and products.
It seems to have worked. My attitude has caused my business to expand
12-18% per year since 1987! I'd probably be back slaving over a hot
bench if I took the attitude PUBLICALLY you have in front of so many
buying customers. I don't call talk radio to tell the world what an
asshole Pastor Smith of the Devine Masters of Faith is for telling
Pastor Jones that I'M a jerk for proclaiming his busted microphone was
caused by the kid throwing it across the church into the wall, not my
last repair job of a speaker upstairs. I smile and explain to Pastor
Smith that I value his church business and try to make an appointment
to repair his microphone. Then I call Pastor Jones and CALMLY explain
what happened and that it was a misunderstanding. Wanna bet Pastor
Jones calls Smith to tell him he's all wet? Guess who they'll BOTH
call for service....(c;
If you have a problem with a jerk, especially one as you describe,
wouldn't a simple letter from one of those attorneys to this customer
explaining the warrantee policy with a mild reference (as attorneys
are great at) to slander and libel laws be of more productivity?
Larry, aboard "YamaHawg"....Nice looking arrestors, but now I'm afraid
to buy them!
<<snip>>
>If you have a problem with a jerk, especially one as you describe,
>wouldn't a simple letter from one of those attorneys to this customer
>explaining the warrantee policy with a mild reference (as attorneys
>are great at) to slander and libel laws be of more productivity?
>
>Larry, aboard "YamaHawg"....Nice looking arrestors, but now I'm afraid
>to buy them!
Larry,
He probably has seen a major increase in absolute crap being posted in
this newsgroup as we all have, by people with split personalities,
imitating worlds greatest racers and outright fruitloops.......
It is these sort of people that scare these professionals away from
parting their true knowledge to us.
SteveK
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To email me, please remove the Hatespam
leading my EM address.
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Bob Pernice
Jetinetics
>How very right you are. I have posted several times since yesterday,
>check for them. I have made statements which are concurrent to yours.
>As you may well imagine, I felt very cornered and overwhelmed at first
>sighting of such a negative as well as untrue commentary about me and my
>product. I was not about to come onto the scene and pray for
>forgiveness. The facts needed to be stated clearly, the truth sounded,
>and now we can all talk about what is real, and who is worth listening
>to. I have been in business longer than many of you have been riding
>watercraft. We've made more friends than enemies, and believe me, the
>ones who aren't my friends, you wouldn't like either. My business
>practices are sound and consistent. We are supportive and flexible when
>necessary. The TFS's are very nice looking, thanks, and effective at
>producing horsepower, and as long as you aren't throwing them against a
>wall. They will provide you with some surprising performance. If
>there's a problem, it will be covered under our warranty program.
>
>Bob Pernice
>Jetinetics
>
Ah, that's great! Let me let you in on a little r.s.j secret I use
here now. Hit the reply button and LET-ER-RIP when some jerk hurts
you. It's the electronic equivalent of a punching bag. I used to
post these triades which I quickly learned feeds the animals for
weeks. Once I'm at the signature part, I click the CANCEL button on
the Free Agent. The program makes it hard by popping up a window
asking me if I want to delete my angry response. It takes every bit
of strength I have to tell it DAMMIT, YES I WANNA DELETE IT!
I tried to post a story about 6,200 kids dying from parental smoking
so the group could see how stupid it is to worry about jetski
accidents in comparison to other lethal realities of our pitiful
existance. Our politicians do NOTHING to stop this murder, just like
late-term abortions where they suck the baby's brains out of their
skulls with a syringe as they are born. I let you read the angry
posts from the obviously guilty parental smokers. Anything you say
here will be misconstrued and cause an angry protest. I figured
jetskiiers were a more athletic group who valued themselves. I was
wrong.
So, tell me more about why we GP1200 owners should have a custom
Jetinetics crankshaft to put our minds at ease about Yamaha's big
goof! If you find out anything about this factory defect, I'm all
ears!
Larry, aboard "YamaHawg"....3200 miles of unspoiled waterways within
50 miles of my keyboard...just waiting.
(well, I did once when I was 6 years old. not quite a parent,
hoping if I put this up front he'll read it before ignoring it.)
The omnipotent wannabe kn...@mindspring.com (Larry KN4IM) wrote:
>Once I'm at the signature part, I click the CANCEL button on
>the Free Agent. The program makes it hard by popping up a window
>asking me if I want to delete my angry response. It takes every bit
>of strength I have to tell it DAMMIT, YES I WANNA DELETE IT!
Very true. Pretty soon you'll start using that button before you get
to the end, like those of us who learned in the early alt group days.
Should I hit CANCEL now? Naw.....not yet.
>I tried to post a story about 6,200 kids dying from parental smoking
>so the group could see how stupid it is to worry about jetski
>accidents in comparison to other lethal realities of our pitiful
>existance. Our politicians do NOTHING to stop this murder, just like
>late-term abortions where they suck the baby's brains out of their
>skulls with a syringe as they are born.
Also very true in our "live and let live" culture. (Too bad the poor
kids don't get to live!)
> I let you read the angry posts from the obviously guilty parental smokers.
Soooo....if they don't agree with YOU---- they are *obviously* guilty
parental smokers?
And then, when you insult people (living ones, like we hope the kids
could be) by calling them low-class, you expect nobody to question
YOUR rants?
It's no wonder Brad infers you think you are God. You imply it!
(Never mind that almost all deaths are related to pregnancy and
children who are in high risk conditions, rather than normal parental
situations. If you're gonna crucify somebody, at least use a cross
and nails instead of a machine-shotgun. Parents who smoke in these
situations are taking huge risks, just like newbie jetskiers who blast
off on 60+hp without learning about safety, their craft, or the
environment they operate in.)
Oops.....I missed the cancel button on this one. Sorry. (except to
Drew, who must live for this stuff). :)
dc
Whoever enjoys the most jet-skis wins!
Makes it more interesting for the rest of us.
We have had good luck with the jetnetics products. Will they not stand
behind their product? You could always get Carl Camper to order a
replacement for you. I think he has an inside track with the owner of
jetnetics. I think they are out to dinner , as we speak.
Call Carl the chief worker ant
The only thing they will be eating is each others EARS...
>There flywheels crack as big as Sizemores BUT!!!!
>
Jetnetics makes great products. DePardo is the one that cracked and left
the NG. A month, and two boyfriends later , he reappears,
pumped ,jacked, twisted, and ready for battle. (sporting a new isp)
Hey Butt is spelled with too t's
Are you guys still at it? If you have a problem with any of our
products, if it's under warranty we'll fix or replace it. Sometimes
through long term use or other factors, aluminum flywheels break. So do
pipes, manifolds, hulls, pumps, sidewalks, aircraft wing sections,
buildings, etc. If you think a flywheel or anything else for that
matter should last for ever, you better move to Fantasyland at your
nearest Disneyland! Things break guys, but we've still managed to keep
our failure to success ratio below 1/4 of one percent. That's a pretty
small number for those of you who can't add (or spell, "two", not
"too"). If you have been reading, you would know from my recent
postings that our warranty covers breakage for one full year which is
the best warranty in the flywheel business. Take us up on it.
Bob Pernice
Jetinetics
>Are you guys still at it? If you have a problem with any of our
>products, if it's under warranty we'll fix or replace it. Sometimes
>through long term use or other factors, aluminum flywheels break. So do
>pipes, manifolds, hulls, pumps, sidewalks, aircraft wing sections,
>buildings, etc. If you think a flywheel or anything else for that
>matter should last for ever, you better move to Fantasyland at your
>nearest Disneyland! Things break guys, but we've still managed to keep
>our failure to success ratio below 1/4 of one percent. That's a pretty
>small number for those of you who can't add (or spell, "two", not
>"too"). If you have been reading, you would know from my recent
>postings that our warranty covers breakage for one full year which is
>the best warranty in the flywheel business. Take us up on it.
Hey Bob, I for one have yet to have problem one with any of your
(well actually they are mine now) flywheels. I have been using
Jetinetics products for 8 years now since I got my first TL ignition
for my mod 650 (now 723 cc RIC). This first system I got is still
in use with the exception of the fact that I upgraded to the new Heat
and dumped the old KV parts. I have even purchased the 750 TL
ignition, 650 & 750 charging flywheel, and have zero complaints.
Of course all this you already know since I talked about it with you
when I was out in CA visiting the old PJS facility, but I thought
I would post it for those here that don't know how good Jetinetics
products are. And in addition to the ignitions, all my through hull
fittings are yours and I am running your TFS now on my 1350,
which by the way has added an additional 75 rpms just with the
ability to dial them in. I still need to rejet and as soon as I do, I'll
post the results here.....stock box vs. Jetinetics. The stock box
flows quite well as it is, but damn those purple TFS F/A look good
perched on top of my 42s.
Laszlo
Lo-Ball Engineering
Carolina Watercraft Works, Inc.
>Hey Butt is spelled with too t's
And too is spelled two......couldn't resist..hhehehehe :^)
> Things break guys, but we've still managed to keep
>our failure to success r
Bob , you have good products . We have used your flywheels
with great success, and zero failures. It is just that there are a bunch
of idiots in the NG always looking for someone to attack.
You happen to be the new flavor of the month.
>In article <19970809165...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, q8...@aol.com
>(Q8740) writes:
>
>>Hey Butt is spelled with too t's
>
>And too is spelled two......couldn't resist..hhehehehe :^)
I thought he was being sarcastic... :)
Jake "RevJaqe" Langston
'96 XP -=- '95 HX
email: rev...@juno.com
>If you have been reading, you would know from my recent
>postings that our warranty covers breakage for one full year which is
>the best warranty in the flywheel business. Take us up on it.
I believe I will. I have been wanting to get your charging flywheel
for some time now. How much difference in weight is it from the
stock unit on the '96 XP 800? Will it function well with a lightened
PTO flywheel?
Thanks for your time.
Jake Langston
'96 XP-'95 HX
email: rev...@juno.com
email: lang...@usxpress.com
Jake, I am running the Jetinetics lightweight flywheel on my 95 XP 800
along with the R&D lightweight PTO and I have experienced ZERO problems.
The flywheel for the 800 engine is not a charging flywheel because the
magnets for the stator and pickup are bolted on to the flywheel not
built into the flywheel as so many others are. So when you install the
new flywheel you still retain the stock charging system and ignition
components including the magnets but you get much improved throttle
response.
I will say that a friend of mine installed a Jetinetics charging
flywheel on his 95 HX and he had problems. The magnets came loose in
the epoxy stuff that holds tham in and the movement of the magnets
caused a change in the ignition timing and his motor detonated the rear
piston taking a huge chunk out of it. He is in contact with Jetinitics
and trying to get this problem resolved but I don't know the ststus at
this point.
If you have any questions about the flywheel or PTO let me know.
Tony
August 11, 1997
Tony,
Who is the friend, I need names. We (at Jetinetics) have not ever heard
anything from anyone about a Sea-Doo flywheel with loose magnets. This
concerns me because we have not had an epoxy related failure in several
years. If he did have such a problem, have him contact me directly. I
need to know if this is hooey or not. Honestly, I have my doubts, but I
can assure you if it is true, it will be taken care of, promptly.
Bob Pernice
Jetinetics
Laz,
Thanks for the positive input. People have a tendency to remember the
bad, and never take notice of the good when it's right in front of them.
Please do post the results, good or bad, so others can feast (or
starve). We know we're not perfect, but thanks to honest guys like you
who have taken the time to find out, others can see that sometimes we do
things right too (not two or to or 2). Was that a deep jab, or can
these guys take a joke?
Thanks
Bob Pernice
Jetinetics
Jake,
Oh thank god, I thought those idiots were serious...
Bob Pernice
Jetinetics
> sometimes we do
>things right too (not two or to or 2). Was that a deep jab, or can
>these guys take a joke?
hehehehe......don't know sometimes. Some get real upset over
>Laz,
>I noticed that "Everyone's Dooing It!"
>Drew(copyright infringement?)SKI
chuckle chuckle chuckle :^)
Crankrod
Access to the carb high speed mixture screw is now
much better as is access to the idle mixture screw
more commonly known as the low speed mixture
screw, reality is that it is an idle mixture. I may or
may not do my own comparison with other brands
due to the center-to-center spacing of the cylinders
of the Sea Jet so the only units I can test are single
units intended for individual carbs. But I can tell every-
one that I am sufficiently satisfied with these units to
keep them on as my FA of choice, unless another
manufacturer would like to supply their own to me for
testing purposes to be returned upon completion of
evaluation and posting the results here.
I will be running this setup until next week sometime so I
can see their performance on the track in Virginia Beach
this Sunday the 24th. After that I will have completed
modifications to the 42 mm Keihin carbs (one pumper with
two slaves) and will have them back on the boat for
another round of testing. I will post those results here
as well.
Bear in mind that your setup may be different and any
differences are dependent upon its design.
Gotta add a bit more:
And if I recall, Dan asked somewhere if I had fiddled with the
adjustments for the internal flow director.
In article <19970819023...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
loba...@aol.com (LoBall101) writes:
>Sunday on the lake was a great tuning day with the
>stock setup back on the boat which allowed me to
>dial in an rpm reading of 6738. With the replacement
>of the stock airbox with the TFS units, I was able(2ski)
>to eek out another 51 rpms to 6789. Bob P. told me
>on my trip out to Jetinetics "they make horsepower"
>and the difference and noticeable performance increase
>verifies his statement to me. The bottom end increase
>is probably the most noticeable improvement as it
>easily launches this heavy beast up out of the water
After adjusting the TFS units instead of just bolting them
on and riding, which I previously did with the "cones" a
full three turns out from top, my rpms were as stated
above, but with them all the way out, rpms peaked at
~6925 with consistent 6890 readings. Bottom end is
still great but not as strong as with the adjustments all
theway in, you need to find a happy median for your own
riding style. But on the course I can see this unit really
able to shine, if you have a particularly tight course,
turn 'em in, you may loose a bit on top end but your
accelleration will be substantially greater, if the course
is wide open, bring them back out to your original
position.
Sorry for the incomplete information on the initial post,
but I was having so much fun riding I didn't mess with
the adjustments.