SJ....R&D vs. Factory Pipe??
Jeff
SuperStock SuperJet?....The new Semi Dry from R&D or the New Dry pipe
from Factory?? What are the advantages / Disadvantages of each??
(please include your response to my email address)
MHodg01
and katie jenkins mech.
craig-tera crismons mech
lillian-nicholas' mech
need you hear more.
Tony Ernst
On the other hand, I saw a lot of broken R&D pipes....
moma...@my-deja.com
terra use are not available to the everyday guy, the factory dry pipe
does nothing but cause heartache to all my freinds who purchased them
and returned them!!! lookout for the new coffman dry pipe, coffman
defines customer satifaction, everyone is always positive when they
speak of coffman products!
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the public soon
if you want the dry pipe call R&D ask for butch...562-906-1190
Scott Q
hyd...@webtv.net
MENTIONED RUN A R&D FULLY DRY PIPE WHICH ISNT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC
PLIS ALL OF THOSE RIDERS ARE SONSORED BY R&D SO OF COURSE THEY WILL SAY
THAT. THE R&D PIPE PRODUCES MORE POWER AFTER 7400 RPM BUT THE FACTORY
PIPE HAS MUCH MORE POWER FROM MID ON UP. I AM GOING WITH THE FACTORY
PIPE.
hyd...@webtv.net
Tom Howlin
>
> Are the opinions of R&D sponsorised mechanics/riders really accurate ?
> On the other hand, I saw a lot of broken R&D pipes....
>
> MHodg01 wrote:
>
> > r&d-every tuner i've talked to says it's the shit. gary lamb-chris lawerence
> > and katie jenkins mech.
> > craig-tera crismons mech
> > lillian-nicholas' mech
> > need you hear more.
different from the ones being sold to the public. The public pipe is a
semi dry water injected pipe, produces big top end, but so-so bottom,
unless you use total loss. The pipes used by Rius, etc. were completely
dry pipes and totally awesome! It's a shame that the everyday Joe can't
get one, or even worse, I can't get one, because I've tried with no
success. I think you're going to have to know someone to get one.
Scott
Larrysperf
>
>
For racing & all out power go with Factory Pipe . For rec. go with coffman
pipe(that is what I have found). Larry
Brian
was the problem? Did they not perform? Did they cause problems?
Brian
and using an R & D pipe? I'm not trying to get into an argument about what
she actually uses, like everyone did with Fish and his impellers. I just
know that one of Tera's main sponsors is Factory Pipe. Anyone?
Buck
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Brian <bri...@tcac.net> wrote in message
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> Could someone please explain to me why Tera is sponsored by Factory Pipe
> and using an R & D pipe?
> Buck
> #183
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Bill O'Neal
The reason that the Yamaha pro riders were using Chapin's pipe is easily
seen as Nicholas comes roaring up on Mac's tail going down the back
straightaway at this years World Finals. To anyone who is adept at observing
big power, the answer is obivious.
Was Tera's absolute slaughter at the finals, even though she was severly
injured, not enough to convince you that she made the correct choice of
pipes ?
To those of you who bitch about cracked pipes, you must understand that a
handmade welded pipe will crack sooner or later. That is the price you pay
to have the latest and greatest racing pipe. It is also the best reason not
to buy one and put it on your rec boat. Smart racing teams buy two at a time
for each boat.
Sponsorship is a form of advertising. It is not uncommon to find that a
mechanic chose a different product while testing before a big race.
Contracts are signed 11 months before the Finals, some products are not
available when the contract is signed. Who's sticker do you see in the
pictures ? That is what the sponsor pays for, all else is ego. Now I know I
deserve some heat for these remarks, but please go easy Ross, Bill :) And
remember, I always used your pipe when I was sponsored by you !
How many Mustang parts are on John Force's Mustang ? How many FORD parts are
on it ? None that I know of. How about Dale Earnhardt's Monte Carlo ? A few
pieces of sheetmetal ? Both have BIG stickers identifying them as Fords and
Chevies.
Ross once told me to use another pipe if it worked better, even though he
paid me to place FPP stickers on my boat. He is a very fair person to deal
with.
Had someone not mentioned it here, even less people would know what brand
pipe was on who's boat. Thank god this is a small audience. BTW, I think
Tera could have won using anyones' pipe, she is that much better than the
others in her class, IMO.
Bill O'Neal
WCM
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NASTY MIDGET
Q8740
anybody that watched the standups saw the awesome horse power and speed
displayed by the R&D piped super jets
Scott Q
David B. Thomas
Dave
NASTY MIDGET wrote:
Bill, your full of shit and Dave Thomas is your poll man...hey Dave...does it hurt when you swallow? Dave's lips are locked on Bills ass tight!! Hey pasco boy I have some info about that government program your on...want to here it....asshole?!? Group: rec.sport.jetski Date: Wed, Oct 27, 1999, 8:53am (EDT-3) From: Water...@worldnet.att.net (Bill O'Neal) Re: SJ....R&D vs. Factory Pipe?? The reason that the Yamaha pro riders were using Chapin's pipe is easily seen as Nicholas comes roaring up on Mac's tail going down the back straightaway at this years World Finals. To anyone who is adept at observing big power, the answer is obivious. Was Tera's absolute slaughter at the finals, even though she was severly injured, not enough to convince you that she made the correct choice of pipes ? To those of you who bitch about cracked pipes, you must understand that a handmade welded pipe will crack sooner or later. That is the price you pay to have the latest and greatest racing pipe. It is also the best reason not to buy one and put it on your rec boat. Smart racing teams buy two at a time for each boat. Sponsorship is a form of advertising. It is not uncommon to find that a mechanic chose a different product while testing before a big race. Contracts are signed 11 months before the Finals, some products are not available when the contract is signed. Who's sticker do you see in the pictures ? That is what the sponsor pays for, all else is ego. Now I know I deserve some heat for these remarks, but please go easy Ross, Bill :) And remember, I always used your pipe when I was sponsored by you ! How many Mustang parts are on John Force's Mustang ? How many FORD parts are on it ? None that I know of. How about Dale Earnhardt's Monte Carlo ? A few pieces of sheetmetal ? Both have BIG stickers identifying them as Fords and Chevies. Ross once told me to use another pipe if it worked better, even though he paid me to place FPP stickers on my boat. He is a very fair person to deal with. Had someone not mentioned it here, even less people would know what brand pipe was on who's boat. Thank god this is a small audience. BTW, I think Tera could have won using anyones' pipe, she is that much better than the others in her class, IMO. Bill O'Neal WCM Carolina Watercraft Works <loba...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Gary Hedke
any comments about the Pro-tec "MACH-1" pipe, or, the
Riva pipe.
Why not, is it that no one here has any experience
with either one? Otherwise, how do they compare with
the others, FPP and R&D?
Gary
RDPRODUCTS
He has dynoed all the super jet pipes available and he purchesed the R&D pipe
for all the his yamaha team boats that competed at the world finals
your numbers are way off on the rpm's
and you may want to consult dan on the proper port timing, ....which would
allow you fat lady to sing
Also the R&D wet production pipe was taken to 8000 rpm on factory pipes dyno
R&D racing
Factory Pipe
> your numbers are way off on the rpm's and you may want to consult dan on the
> proper port timing, ....which would allow you fat lady to sing
When we tested pipes on Steve Lawler's superstock engine the R&D made peak HP
(114) @ 7500 rpm. Our pipe made peak HP (115) @ 7200 rpm. The R&D pipe (with
water injection) made less HP than our pipe (without ECWI) from 5000 up to peak
with the largest gap being approx. 8HP @ 6700 rpm.
You have to remember that when testing on SS and mod engines you will see a wide
variety of results depending on many other variables in the setup. Some tuners
may want a pipe that is very high revving while others may want want the power at
a lower rpm, it all depends on how the boat is setup and what the rider likes.
Also, to the best of our knowledge, Tera Crismon ran our SuperJet Mod pipe on her
boat at the WF's. She felt the Mod pipe, with her current setup, gave her better
power delivery and driveability over the new dry pipe.
> Also the R&D wet production pipe was taken to 8000 rpm on factory pipes dyno
The dyno chart shows 7800 rpm as the max rpm.
If anyone is interested in a copy of the chart and data please email, fax or call
with your fax number.
Robert
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Thats what I keep saying the Factory Pipe is the best so robert stop arguing.
LOL. Larry(NUFF SAID)
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how did your pipe do at the world finals...?
I was at R&D last night and got to take a look at the dyno sheet, were one of
the top tuners tested the factory pipe and R&D's super jet pipe and I think the
only thing we will agree on is your statement about different results on
different dynos.
also Tera Crismon was one of the riders that reported that there was a huge
difference in power between the two pipes and that here ski gained 2 mph by
just bolting the R&D pipe on.
Scott Q
Factory Pipe
> how did your pipe do at the world finals...?
The only boat I was aware of was Tera's SS which did not ride because of her knee.
Being that the pipe was relatively new, I don't think most riders had enough time
to get a setup worked out.
> I was at R&D last night and got to take a look at the dyno sheet, were one of
> the top tuners tested the factory pipe and R&D's super jet pipe and I think the
> only thing we will agree on is your statement about different results on
> different dynos.
Exactly, you could get 100 different results with 100 different engine
combinations. On that particular set up (Steve Lawler's SS), the FP was clearly a
better choice.
> also Tera Crismon was one of the riders that reported that there was a huge
> difference in power between the two pipes and that here ski gained 2 mph by
> just bolting the R&D pipe on.
As far as I know, Ross spoke with Craig yesterday and he said Tera ran our mod pipe
on her limited boat and was setup to run our new dry pipe on her SS if she raced
the men's class.
jetski junkies
Perry
Tony Ernst
This week-end, we tested the new pipe from FP in a 95 SJ with cylinder/head ported by
Group K, Single 46 carb, Vilder CDI. We switched the "old" Factory Pipe exhaust to the
new one.
The gain was impressive in bottom and top end. No numbers, the water was too choppy but
the gain was clear to everyone who tested the boat. Many of the riders who ride this
boat will order one...
Tony
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Factory Pipe
> Please keep us posted on how long it takes for it to crack.
We have not had a single instance of the new style chambers cracking as of this
time. If anyone has one of the first run chambers please let us know and we
will exchange it for the new one.