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Need advice as to why my engine seized. OIL?????

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Isuwpolo

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Sep 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/7/98
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I have an 89 650sx Kaw which has always been taken care of, and is stock. The
last time I bought a gallon of oil for it, I went to the dealer like always and
purchased what he handed me from behind the counter. When I took it home, I
noticed it was brown/mustard colored, and the carton had a picture of a
motorcycle and rider on the front. I read the wording, and it said for
Kawasaki 2 cycle engines, so I thought it was ok. The next time I went riding,
my engine seized, fried the crank bearing, desintegrated the piston rings on
one cyllinder. Upon re checking the oil package carton, it said for all TCW-I
AND TCW-II applications. There was no TCW-III rating and it also said low ash
on the discription. Anyway, my first question is, could this oil have been bad
for my oil injected marine engine, since it was different from the normal
marine oil? Secondly, is my dealer responsible for any dammage if this was a
result of then oil he gave to me after I told him the year, make, model and
type of engine it was going into? Perhaps it has nothing at all to do with
what happened, and rather it was all a coincidence. Thanks, Jer.


W.S. O'Neal

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Sep 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/7/98
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Bottom line is that you put it in your ski and you and you alone are
responsible for what goes into or on your ski.

Dealers make mistakes, it happens. It is the owners responsibility to make
sure what he gets is correct for his ski.

I once poured a concrete deck around a swimming pool, a very big deck. It
was 105 degrees that day. I hopped into my truck and went to the concrete
supplier and bought 5 gals of "retarder" to slow the setup time. I sprayed
it on the slab, then finished the cement. It came out beautiful. The owner
of the home called me first thing in the morning to tell me that the whole
top coating was "lifting off " . I raced over there to see it for myself.
Yep, it was lifting off alright !
I went home and read the label on the 5 gal can. It was a product for
exposed aggerate applications, not a retardant. It cost me 5 grand to redo
the slab. The clerk at the concrete supply house had given me the wrong
product. But I was responsible for using it.

Some days it don't pay to get out of bed.

Bill O'Neal
WCM

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XP300

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Sep 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/7/98
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I only use Kawasaki Marine oil. Been using it in our '90 650SX and not a
problem to date. Are the '89 650's oil injected or premix?

Roger

Antwon

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Sep 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/7/98
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Bill,
A mud man eh? I've got a good one from a cement driver: He had 9 yards of
mud in his truck for a basement pour. When he arrived a lady was there to
greet him and he asked where the crew was?The lady replied "oh, my husband
had to run into town." She said he would be back soon. The cement driver
said '" well, I can't just wait around for him." So the lady told him to go
ahead and just pile it up in the basement and that her husband would take
care of it when he got home!! He poured it and left. I bet the husband was
surprised, huh?

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W.S. O'Neal

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Sep 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/7/98
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Antwon,

I *Used* to be a mud man ! 20 years was enough of that !

If I were her husband, she would have been buried under it ! At least it was
only 9 yds. Not more than a week of breaking and hauling :) I wonder how
long it took to teach her how to run a 90lb hammer ?

I knew a crew who put in all the foundations and slabs for a 3 bdrm house.
It came out real nice. Problems arose when they found out it was on the
wrong lot.

In 1971, I built a Mark C. Bloome tire store. Followed the plans to a
"tee". After the building was erected, Mr. Bloome paid the next door
neighbor $30 grand for the one foot of property of his that we built the
south wall on :) The whole lot (that Bloome bought) cost about $40 grand, at
the time. Bloome's in-house engineers blew that one !

Bill O'Neal
WCM

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Kb6led

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Sep 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/7/98
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i had a problem like that about 10 years
ago with my 1st 440 jetski .i mixed to oils
that where not compatable with each other
and trashed the crank and pistons.after
that i have been running the same oil
ever since and dont even think of inter
mixing to diffrent oils.good luck bob

Seadooracr

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Sep 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/7/98
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Was it injecter oil ?


Kevin


Q

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Sep 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/11/98
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Sounds like you might have mixed a semi synthetic with a non synthetic
they will seperate from each other and the fuel mixture causing seisure.
But it may not have, you need more info what kind of seize was it where did
it
melt to the cylinder wall intake side, exhaust, burn a hole in the top, 4
wall seizsure,
what. Sound like it got real hot hough before it seized probably lost power
watch out for this next time. Usually when you change something and it
screws up
that was it, but not always. Oh and its your fault, don't mean to flame you,
but if your going
to ride two strokes, knowing a little about how they function and oil types,
etc.
goes a long way. We had a guy at our shop that put gas in his oil resevoir
stupid huh, it happens all the time user error know your ski and get
into a rythme with it, same oils, same fuels, and proper jetting. Changing
one of the variables will change they way the ski runs and perhaps burn it
up.

Ps if I were you I'd take off the oil injection and premix a good race
synthetic
I use Castor 927 if you buy it by the 5 gallon it is $13.00 a half gallon
and mix it at
40:1

Chris F 96 XP
99 CR250


MR-HPT

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Sep 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/11/98
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Synthetic oil will mix with another synthetic and petroleum base product. Been
base oil is exemption, it is not vise to mix brands. The problem is as I see it
in quality and premix ratio, or mechanical failure. Stick with manufacturer
recommendation.
Regards George http://www.hpt-sport.com

jetski junkies

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Sep 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/11/98
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George..George...George? Who told you to mix the two? There are blends
but it's blended at the oil maker. Not by Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hide??

Perry

Crankrod

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Sep 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/11/98
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If you are going to use Maxima 927 as a premix, you will get MORE power
and reliability at 32/1 versus 40/1 . I know that sounds bass ackwards, but it
IS true.
Your jetting may need a bit of compensation as a slighty richer (oil
wise) mixture will will flow a tiny bit slower throught the same size jet.
Hence will appear a bit leaner, so you might have to richen up the high speed
just a tad.
If you are going from injection to pre mix, you must richen ( at
least) your high speed jets. and preferable the whole circuit, as the fuel will
flow slower with the oil already in it.

Mike

>Subject: Re: Need advice as to why my engine seized. OIL?????
>From: jetski junkies <Perr...@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: 9/11/98 5:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <35F992...@ix.netcom.com>

Darin Jett & Mindy Walker

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Sep 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/11/98
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Klotz Super Techniplate---80% synthetic with 20% bean oil (Benol?). And it says on
the bottle not to mix with petroleum based oils.
Darin

jetski junkies wrote:

> MR-HPT wrote:
> >
> > Synthetic oil will mix with another synthetic and petroleum base product. Been
> > base oil is exemption, it is not vise to mix brands. The problem is as I see it
> > in quality and premix ratio, or mechanical failure. Stick with manufacturer
> > recommendation.
> > Regards George http://www.hpt-sport.com
> >

MR-HPT

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Sep 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/12/98
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Perry read it again. I say do not mix brand and stay with manufacturer recommendation.
I also say it is possible to do so if you know how. I use 50/50 mixture ow best
synthetic and top of the line petroleum base. Result is fantastic lover cost, longer
engine life and I mean much longer engine life. It's nice to have friends at nations
leading research lab. Nothing is written in stone. Regards GJG

jetski junkies wrote:

> MR-HPT wrote:
> >
> > Synthetic oil will mix with another synthetic and petroleum base product. Been
> > base oil is exemption, it is not vise to mix brands. The problem is as I see it
> > in quality and premix ratio, or mechanical failure. Stick with manufacturer
> > recommendation.
> > Regards George http://www.hpt-sport.com
> >

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