Sea-Doo XP vs. Yamaha WaveBlaster II
Douglas Peterman
Rick Mouritzen <ric...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>How do these boats compare? I've ridden the XP and really liked it, but I want to know what it
>comprable before buying. I'm interested in a sporty, aggressive 2 seater. The second seat will
>be used mostly for transportation - not heavy riding. How about reliability? Any other ski's I
>should be considering?
I picked up my XP about the end of March. Best money I ever blew. I'll speak
for the XP and say it is the (stock) quickest, fastest, best-handling PWC
I've ever been on. It amazes me each time I come into a turn at 35 and
whip around like it was nobody's business. I'd like to tell you I smoked
my buddy like he was standing still, but I can't. He got one too! I've
spoken with someone who was somewhat knowledgeable on the comparison
between the XP and the Kawasaki 1100 and he told me they were pretty much
identical in terms of top-end, handling, etc. except the XP will get
there a little quicker each time.
The XP is THE performance waverunner.
Get one.
Get it soon.
Enjoy it.
-Doug ('96 XP)
Eric Aupperlee
In <doug.83...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu>, do...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Douglas Peterman) writes: Don't say that in front of any DooHeads. It's not a WaveRunner, it's a
SeaDoo. WaveRunners are Yamahas.
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Eric Aupperlee "Take it easy man! It's just a sandwich!"
*These statements are mine* -- The Tick
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Dennis L. Copfer
eaupp...@vnet.ibm.com (Eric Aupperlee) wrote:
>In <doug.83...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu>, do...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Douglas Peterman) writes:
>>Rick Mouritzen <ric...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>>
>>The XP is THE performance waverunner.
>>
> Don't say that in front of any DooHeads. It's not a WaveRunner, it's a
>SeaDoo. WaveRunners are Yamahas.
I love it Eric. Defending SeaDoos. He He. You're almost there. Why
not just go buy the XP now. They still have that free all summer
deal, don't they?
dc
Eric Aupperlee
But...
Haven't been paying attention have you? I've already been asking for
the price people were paying for XP's.... :-)
Dennis L. Copfer
eaupp...@vnet.ibm.com (Eric Aupperlee) wrote:
>In <4nu30n$l...@news-f.iadfw.net>, dco...@airmail.net (Dennis L. Copfer) writes:
>>eaupp...@vnet.ibm.com (Eric Aupperlee) wrote:
>>
>>>In <doug.83...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu>, do...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Douglas Peterman) writes:
>>>>Rick Mouritzen <ric...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>The XP is THE performance waverunner.
>>>>
>>> Don't say that in front of any DooHeads. It's not a WaveRunner, it's a
>>>SeaDoo. WaveRunners are Yamahas.
>>
>>I love it Eric. Defending SeaDoos. He He. You're almost there. Why
>>not just go buy the XP now. They still have that free all summer
>>deal, don't they?
>>
> I wasn't defending SeaDoos, just correcting a misstatement.
> But...
> Haven't been paying attention have you? I've already been asking for
>the price people were paying for XP's.... :-)
Ohhhh. Shhuurrrrre. I WAS and AM paying attention. That's why I'm
waiting for THE day. It's not IF, it's when. (Just remember, you're
losing some of that free time.)
dc
r...@icanect.net
In article <doug.83...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu>,
>
>
>Get it soon.
>
>Enjoy it.
>
>-Doug ('96 XP)
been know for that...for a while other manufacturers were making faster
a=machines but they could not handle....not that seadoo is pumping much
horsepower, the remain at the top....Rob
epa...@psci.net
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> From: eaupp...@vnet.ibm.com (Eric Aupperlee)
> Newsgroups: rec.sport.jetski
> Subject: Re: Sea-Doo XP vs. Yamaha WaveBlaster II
> Date: 23 May 1996 00:22:54 GMT
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> In <4nu30n$l...@news-f.iadfw.net>, dco...@airmail.net (Dennis L. Copfer) writes:
> >eaupp...@vnet.ibm.com (Eric Aupperlee) wrote:
> >
> >>In <doug.83...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu>, do...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Douglas Peterman) writes:
> >>>Rick Mouritzen <ric...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> >>>
> >>>The XP is THE performance waverunner.
> >>>
> >> Don't say that in front of any DooHeads. It's not a WaveRunner, it's a
> >>SeaDoo. WaveRunners are Yamahas.
> >
> >I love it Eric. Defending SeaDoos. He He. You're almost there. Why
> >not just go buy the XP now. They still have that free all summer
> >deal, don't they?
> >
> I wasn't defending SeaDoos, just correcting a misstatement.
> But...
> Haven't been paying attention have you? I've already been asking for
> the price people were paying for XP's.... :-)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eric Aupperlee "Take it easy man! It's just a sandwich!"
> *These statements are mine* -- The Tick
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jetskies rule send me one!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sean Samblanet
In rec.sport.jetski, r...@icanect.net writes:
>In article <doug.83...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu>,
> do...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Douglas Peterman) wrote:
>>Rick Mouritzen <ric...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
<>I picked up my XP about the end of March. Best money I ever blew. I'll
>speak
<>for the XP and say it is the (stock) quickest, fastest, best-handling PWC
<>I've ever been on. It amazes me each time I come into a turn at 35 and
<>whip around like it was nobody's business. I'd like to tell you I smoked
<>my buddy like he was standing still, but I can't. He got one too! I've
<>spoken with someone who was somewhat knowledgeable on the comparison
<>between the XP and the Kawasaki 1100 and he told me they were pretty much
<>identical in terms of top-end, handling, etc. except the XP will get
<>there a little quicker each time.
<>
<
>I agree....sead-doo xp's are the best handling on the market....seadoo has
>been know for that...for a while other manufacturers were making faster
>a=machines but they could not handle....not that seadoo is pumping much
>horsepower, the remain at the top....Rob
I have no experience with the handling of other skis but I bought
a 96 XP and am surprised at the above comments about it being the best
handling. My impression was that they made a ski that is really fast
in a straight line but didn't turn real well. This year is my first
year of riding so may be I don't know how to turn yet, but the problem
I always have in fast or hard turns is "spinning out". This is where
the rear end kicks out on you and you slide sideways or around backwards.
I figured this
was normal because of how flat bottom the hull and ride plate are.
That is why I was asking for after market ride plates (or other things)
that addressed this handling problem. I think a ride plate something
like what the GSX has would help alot.
Sean
PS Maybe I'll have to do what others have done. Sand the Gel-Coat off
the bottom for better handling.
wes
Rick Mouritzen <ric...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>How do these boats compare? I've ridden the XP and really liked it, but I want to know what it
>comprable before buying. I'm interested in a sporty, aggressive 2 seater. The second seat will
>be used mostly for transportation - not heavy riding. How about reliability? Any other ski's I
>should be considering?
Rick I have to post and tell you about my Waveblaster II. Love it
love it !! . This jet is a shredding machine. Great cornering good
hole shot gets you up to speed fast. The top end is not as fast as the
XP but very stable at full speed. I had no problems with ruff water
handles waves great I love to come up on a wave slow and then punch it
over the wave and catch some air. Try to get a test ride I think you
will be supprised. There are some reviews on this jet on some of the
on line mags.
P.S. Everyone (else) IS DOOing IT I'm SHRED-N-IT
Gregg Cohn
Sean Samblanet wrote:
> I have no experience with the handling of other skis but I bought
> a 96 XP and am surprised at the above comments about it being the best
> handling. My impression was that they made a ski that is really fast
> in a straight line but didn't turn real well. This year is my first
> year of riding so may be I don't know how to turn yet, but the problem
> I always have in fast or hard turns is "spinning out". This is where
> the rear end kicks out on you and you slide sideways or around backwards.
> I figured this
> was normal because of how flat bottom the hull and ride plate are.
> That is why I was asking for after market ride plates (or other things)
> that addressed this handling problem. I think a ride plate something
> like what the GSX has would help alot.
>
Sean, You can out turn any blaster or X-2 out there on your XP! (hehehe)
Try putting a little pressure on your outside foot when taking a turn if
you are semi-standing while riding. If you are sitting then lean out a
little bit. If you have the trim set down you should not spin out at all.
The XP will turn on a dime if you lean out a bit.
If you want the thing to ride like it is on rails then give Carl at
ULTRAC a call. Pick you up a set of aero slot sponsons and mount them
in the middle position. You will now have a lean-in XP that is almost
impossible to spin. Pick up a good scoop grate too as it will help hold
the boat to the water. If interested I will sell you a used Ultrac Magna
flow pro for your XP for a good deal.(It is a great grate, but I have 2
of em and only need 1).
Gregg "Our PWC's will make lousy end tables! Ban the Bans!" Cohn
grc...@cats.ucsc.edu
Santa Cruz, CA, USA
Christopher Paull
In article <4p1mts...@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, samb...@oasys.dt.navy.mil
(Sean Samblanet) writes:
|> In rec.sport.jetski, r...@icanect.net writes:
|> >In article <doug.83...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu>,
|> > do...@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Douglas Peterman) wrote:
|> >>Rick Mouritzen <ric...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
|>
|>
|> a 96 XP and am surprised at the above comments about it being the best
|> handling. My impression was that they made a ski that is really fast
|> in a straight line but didn't turn real well. This year is my first
|> year of riding so may be I don't know how to turn yet, but the problem
|> I always have in fast or hard turns is "spinning out". This is where
|> the rear end kicks out on you and you slide sideways or around
|> backwards.
Have you ridden any of the other models?
Take a stock Yamaha or Polaris, or Kawasaki through a High Speed turn,
and you will see why the XP is one of, if not the, best handling ski
on the market.
Try leaning to the outside of the turn a little, and put the nozzle in
the down position.
I can turn my XP full throttle with out spinning with no problem, except
that sometimes it's tough to hang on...
If you lean in to the turn the hull will spin out.
|>
--
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"Mere words do not suffice, to understand you must experience."
Dan Hacker
> Sean, You can out turn any blaster or X-2 out there on your XP! (hehehe)
>
> Try putting a little pressure on your outside foot when taking a turn if
> you are semi-standing while riding. If you are sitting then lean out a
> little bit. If you have the trim set down you should not spin out at
all.
> The XP will turn on a dime if you lean out a bit.
>
> If you want the thing to ride like it is on rails then give Carl at
> ULTRAC a call. Pick you up a set of aero slot sponsons and mount them
> in the middle position. You will now have a lean-in XP that is almost
> impossible to spin. Pick up a good scoop grate too as it will help hold
> the boat to the water. If interested I will sell you a used Ultrac Magna
> flow pro for your XP for a good deal.(It is a great grate, but I have 2
> of em and only need 1).
>
I thinks its a matter of riding style and opinion then anything..
I have a 95 Xp and a 94 blaster (with a few mods)... the xp does
accelerate faster and has a higher top speed... but in my personal
opinion, the blaster handles alot better.... with the blaster, you dont
have to work so hard to get it to turn sharp like the xp... the xp does
turn sharp, but it takes awhile to get the hang of it... otherwise it will
throw u.... add a rideplate and top loader intake grate and the xp is ALOT
easier to handle...
in short....
The blaster is like a tame stallion (easy to ride)
The sea-doo is like a wild stallion... (unpredictiable, when learning)
Dennis L. Copfer
Gregg Cohn <grc...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>Sean, You can out turn any X-2 out there on your XP! (hehehe)
NOT!!!!!!
Racer X
Christopher Paull wrote:
>
SNIP:
> Have you ridden any of the other models?
>
> Take a stock Yamaha or Polaris, or Kawasaki through a High Speed turn,
> and you will see why the XP is one of, if not the, best handling ski
> on the market.
>
> Try leaning to the outside of the turn a little, and put the nozzle in
> the down position.
>
> I can turn my XP full throttle with out spinning with no problem, except
> that sometimes it's tough to hang on...
>
> If you lean in to the turn the hull will spin out.
>
I am truly amazed at how many publications are just spooging over the
new Yamaha Waveblaster II.
I had several opportunities test ride them and really was "unimpressed",
It most definately did not live up to my expectations on the buoy course
after reading all of the glowing reviews. I found the rider position to
be awkward and it was difficult to keep the pump loaded in any kind of
chop, Had I been impressed I surely would have traded in my XP800 as
I prefer the lean in "sport" ride of the WBII.
Now that some aftermarket parts are hitting the market this could make a
greater impact on the popularity of the WBII, with a RIVA exhaust and a
good intake grate/ride plate combo I will definately take a second look!
(When we see the B2 doing well in the Womens Pro-Am class that will be a
good indication for me!)
I guess if you are a newbie buyer looking for a good handling craft it
definatley fits that category, but I just never could get comfortable
with that high up riding position on the blaster either. The Sea-Doo's
really give you a feeling of being an extension of the craft rather than
just riding it. I have owned several different watercraft and have
ridden many more but IMHO Sea-Doo has the best "fitting" watercraft ;D.
Racer X "If the Doo fits.....buy one"
--
Dave Worley (rac...@flash.net)
http://www.flash.net/~racerx
"unless your the lead dog, the view never changes"
Rick Tompson
Racer X <rac...@flash.net> wrote:
>Christopher Paull wrote:
>>
>SNIP:
>> Have you ridden any of the other models?
>>
>> Take a stock Yamaha or Polaris, or Kawasaki through a High Speed turn,
>> and you will see why the XP is one of, if not the, best handling ski
>> on the market.
>>
>> Try leaning to the outside of the turn a little, and put the nozzle in
>> the down position.
>>
>> I can turn my XP full throttle with out spinning with no problem, except
>> that sometimes it's tough to hang on...
>>
>> If you lean in to the turn the hull will spin out.
>>
>I am truly amazed at how many publications are just spooging over the
>new Yamaha Waveblaster II.
Maybe because a few mods to this machine and it will be kicking some
Doo Ass.
>I had several opportunities test ride them and really was "unimpressed",
>It most definately did not live up to my expectations on the buoy course
>after reading all of the glowing reviews. I found the rider position to
>be awkward and it was difficult to keep the pump loaded in any kind of
>chop, Had I been impressed I surely would have traded in my XP800 as
>I prefer the lean in "sport" ride of the WBII.
If you found the ride to be awkward maybe your not used to it because
you ride an XP all the time. Why dont you Dooers give WBII a chance or
are you scared its going to beat you. I ride mine with my XP buddies
al the time and they have a hard time keeping up in the cornners I
blow em away.
>Now that some aftermarket parts are hitting the market this could make a
>greater impact on the popularity of the WBII, with a RIVA exhaust and a
>good intake grate/ride plate combo I will definately take a second look!
>(When we see the B2 doing well in the Womens Pro-Am class that will be a
>good indication for me!)
>I guess if you are a newbie buyer looking for a good handling craft it
>definatley fits that category, but I just never could get comfortable
>with that high up riding position on the blaster either. The Sea-Doo's
>really give you a feeling of being an extension of the craft rather than
>just riding it. I have owned several different watercraft and have
>ridden many more but IMHO Sea-Doo has the best "fitting" watercraft ;D.
>Racer X "If the Doo fits.....buy one"
>--
>Dave Worley (rac...@flash.net)
>http://www.flash.net/~racerx
>"unless your the lead dog, the view never changes"
Rick "Sorry about my jet spray IN YOUR FACE" Tompson
Gary....
In article <31B490...@cats.ucsc.edu>, grc...@cats.ucsc.edu says...
>
>Sean Samblanet wrote:
>Sean, You can out turn any blaster or X-2 out there on your XP! (hehehe)
>
>
>Gregg "Our PWC's will make lousy end tables! Ban the Bans!" Cohn
>grc...@cats.ucsc.edu
Your Deaming again, The Blaster II kills the XP in turning and low end
speed.
-GBD
>Santa Cruz, CA, USA
Gregg Cohn
Perhaps it does turn quicker and have good low end speed, but who goes
into a turn at low speed? Perhaps the B2 will have a slight advantage on
tight twisty courses, but on any course with a long straight will favor
the XP.
It will be interesting to watch what happens when a BlasterII gets some
serious engine mods, but I don't think it will ever come close to the top
end of an XP. I base this on comparing the hulls of the boats. The seadoo
hull visually appears to be many times smoother than the complex
collection of hills and valleys that form the BlasterII hull. You're
going to need a lot more than 110HP to match the XP. This is just my own
ignorant opinion, so take it as such.
If I was given a BlasterII(hi John!) I would certainly ride it and enjoy
the hell out of it.
We can bench race all day, but the truth will come out at the track.
Gregg "Undoobitably Biased" Cohn
Keith A. Dennis
This string is killing me! A WBII is a more natural riding style, but
to say that it will compete with the XP is a stretch. I have a
WaveBlaster with a RIVA Pipe&CDI, OP Vortex and carbon tech reeds and I
pass stock WBII's without a problem. I weigh 225lbs and passed an
approximately 120-130lb kid yesterday. With a RIVA Pipe or whatever on
the WBII it will be much better, but do the same to an XP and the speed
margin should still be significant. A RAVE XP stock is 54mph and you
may hit that on the WBII after mods. I prefer the WB's handling to
Sea-Doo but the Doo's are by far the faster ski on closed course, not
because of handling but rather torque and HP with a fast hull.
Another one of my mindless opinions!
--
Keith Dennis
Falcon Systems, Inc.
Silicon Valley Regional Office
(800)884-6383
(408)882-0101 Fax
E-Mail : ke...@falcons.com
Christopher Paull
In article <4p76dc$s...@wellspring.us.dg.com>, gde...@k2.us.dg.com
(Gary....) writes:
|> Your Deaming again, The Blaster II kills the XP in turning and low end
|> |> speed.
Sorry, But your the one that's dreaming.
The WBII is quicker from 0-20 beyond that the XP will leave it
in the dust.
Additionally, when was the last time you saw a WBII win a slalom event.
I have not seen it yet.
|>
For all you WBII fans out there this does not mean that the WBII is
a bad PWC. I actually think it has a lot of potential. It is
just very disappointing in stock form if you want to use it for
any kind of racing.
Also, it does NOT "kill the XP" in anything. So you WBII people
should stop your whining, and get going on the Mods that will make
it more competitive.
Ron Stein
Hey Keith, howsit going?
Do you think your souped-up Blaster is faster out of the hole than a
stock WB-II? I recall riding yours and it is clearly quicker than my
stock WB, but when I rode the WB-II I was very impressed with its charge
out of the hole. What I'm saying is my impressions are that a stock
WB-II is even quicker out of the hole that yours. I'd be very interested
to try out a stock '96 Blaster to see how it performs compared to the
single carb '95.
We gotta get out and ride again. Since a Bay group couldn't coalesce in
short order, I'm off to the delta tomorrow :)
- Ron -
Gregg Cohn
Dennis L. Copfer wrote:
>
> Gregg Cohn <grc...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>
> >Sean, You can out turn any X-2 out there on your XP! (hehehe)
>
> NOT!!!!!!
What a nasty attitude Mr. Copfer has!!!! :-) You don't have to shout my
PWC is quiet!
Gregg "X-actly, Precisely...Xtra Perfect XP" Cohn
grc...@cats.ucsc.edu
Keith D. Magnant
snip
> I have no experience with the handling of other skis but I bought
> a 96 XP and am surprised at the above comments about it being the best
> handling. My impression was that they made a ski that is really fast
> in a straight line but didn't turn real well. This year is my first
> year of riding so may be I don't know how to turn yet, but the problem
> I always have in fast or hard turns is "spinning out". This is where
> the rear end kicks out on you and you slide sideways or around backwards.
snip
> Sean
Sean,
I rode an XP for the first time last week, the thing turns like it is on
rails. In fact, if done correctly, it can be a struggle to hold on in a
45 mph + turn. Try leaning to the outside when you turn. Right turn, lean
to the left. Feels wierd at first, but the results are obvious.
For the lean in variety of turn, try not to power down too much setting up the
turn amd as you initiate the roll into the turn give it some gas. This take
a little more word and I could not get it to turn anyways near as sharply as
the lean-out type turn, but you can avoid the spinout. Salesman didn't tell
you the XP had reverse did he?
One question to all, whats up with the XP seat being so domn wide? If the
waveblaster seat has been reffered to as a 2x4, then this thing is a 2x12.
Anyone else feel this way?
Keith Magnant
95' HX
Method Man
> I have no experience with the handling of other skis but I bought
>a 96 XP and am surprised at the above comments about it being the best
>handling. My impression was that they made a ski that is really fast
>in a straight line but didn't turn real well. This year is my first
>year of riding so may be I don't know how to turn yet, but the problem
>I always have in fast or hard turns is "spinning out". This is where
>the rear end kicks out on you and you slide sideways or around backwards.
> I figured this
>was normal because of how flat bottom the hull and ride plate are.
>That is why I was asking for after market ride plates (or other things)
>that addressed this handling problem. I think a ride plate something
>like what the GSX has would help alot.
>
>Sean
>
>PS Maybe I'll have to do what others have done. Sand the Gel-Coat off
>the bottom for better handling.
>
You bought a Sea-Doo for its speed?!?! HAHAHHAHAHA!!! Come on now, Sea-Doo is known
for its turning, not its top speed. If you want a machine that has great speed but
cant turn worth isht, get a Yamaha Waveraider 701/760/1100. Then come back to a
Sea-Doo, then you'll see what I mean by the BEST handling on the market. As far as you
not being able to turn. Ever heard of leaning to the outside?! All sit-downs you have
to lean to the outside to turn it (with exception to the HX, Blaster and X2). If your
spinning out then your leaning to the inside too much. A ride plate isnt going to
solve your problem of turning. It keeps the front of the boat flat. so it doesnt hop
around in waves. If you want to solve your turning problem, get a new set of sponsons,
such as the Odyssey sponsons. Put these on and your turn so hard, you wont have any
arms left after riding. And also, sand the gel-coat off the bottom?!Sure if you also
want to create bubbles when water enters your pump, which my friend = cavitation.
Everyones most hated word. Dont get sanding down a rotary valve cover for better air
flow confused with water flow on a hull. If no gel coat was necessary, no one would
have it on their boat. Until I need to solve more of rec.sport.jetski's problem.
Later.
Corey Sullivan
Dennis L. Copfer
Gregg Cohn <grc...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
Gregg, if you want to be one of those rec.boat/anti-jetski guys it's"
"nasty *little* attitude". Nice to see you're Xtra Modest. :D
Dennis "My wife says it's no attitude, I'm just nasty" Copfer