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Dan

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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I read about the 1100 stx starting problem and mine is similar. I read
that a primer kit would help a lot and I also read that a 150 lb head
would help. Will they make the difference? What are the pros and cons of
each? Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks >Dan

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AZAD

Curtis Warden

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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Youll get more bottem, middle, and top end power usually with the
head. Trouble free starts with the primer kit.

Curtis

Greg & Tina

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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Okay, I am new here so I may be out of line, but why are some of you people
wanting to shell out your own money to fix a problem that is Kawasaki's on a
brand new machine???? It is becoming obvious that it's not just "certain"
machines that are having the starting problem.
I bought a 900 STX 3 weeks ago and the 3rd time out couldn't get it to start
at all. I had to prime the sparkplugs which is a pain in the ass and not
exactly safe in my opinion. Granted I want a machine to ride this summer, but
if it's going to cost me extra money out of my pocket when I already paid xx$$
then it will be returned and I'll buy another brand of watercraft - although I
do like the Kawasaki. Can you tell I'm a little angry about not being able
to ride my NEW machine????? By the way we are taking it up to the dealer
today, but we're going on vacation in a week and if it's not fixed I guess it
will be bye-bye Kaw.

Tina


Curtis Warden

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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Granted I want a machine to ride this summer, but
>if it's going to cost me extra money out of my pocket when I already paid xx$$
>then it will be returned and I'll buy another brand of watercraft - although I
>do like the Kawasaki. Can you tell I'm a little angry about not being able
>to ride my NEW machine????? By the way we are taking it up to the dealer
>today, but we're going on vacation in a week and if it's not fixed I guess it
>will be bye-bye Kaw.
>
Good Luck! Why just install a primer kit and not go through the
hassle? Bye Bye Tina.. hehe.. NO MFG will accept their machine back
without a good reason and that isnt one. To them at least.

Curtis

Greg & Tina

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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Okay, so I might have been dreaming that Kaw would take their machine back. Just a
vent. So, I know absolutely nothing about a primer kit. Are they hard to install,
expensive, etc. and will they solve the problem? Does anyone know???

Tina

Mark Wilkinson

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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Tina wrote:

> Okay, so I might have been dreaming that Kaw would take their machine back. Just a
> vent. So, I know absolutely nothing about a primer kit. Are they hard to install,
> expensive, etc. and will they solve the problem? Does anyone know???
>
> Tina
>


Tina,

No, you shouldn't have to buy or do anything, to get a boat that starts
when you want it to. Just take it to the dealer and let them install
the remedy -- ignore the new head and primer advice unless your
objectives go beyond merely getting your boat to start. It's no big
deal, really. Mark

Dan

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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In article <35a77d2d....@news.mindspring.com>,
KAW11...@hotmail.com (Curtis Warden) wrote:

Curtis,

After instaling a new head what other mods will I have to make to my
machine? Is it just as simple as bolt on and go or will I have to adjust
and jet the carbs, worry about it overheating...?

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Curtis Warden

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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>Curtis,
>
> After instaling a new head what other mods will I have to make to my
>machine? Is it just as simple as bolt on and go or will I have to adjust
>and jet the carbs, worry about it overheating...?

You may have to adjust and jet the carbs but I doubt it. You wont have
to worry about overheating as long as you have the sensors working..
You do dont you? No it wont overheat usually, but if your paranoid get
the PRO Design Cool head. Let's the engine cool better. You have to
remove the head from inside the engine. Its not as easy as bolting on
a set of sponsoon's but its quite easy. 0-Talking about sponsons you
do have all the handling mods am I right?

If you dont I suggest a Evolution MARINE ride plate
twist sponsons
and you dont need a grate from what I hear. I have a R &D for the
rough though.

Curtis

PS- YOu can get all this stuff from http://www.factoryjetski.com
>
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>AZAD


Dan

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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In article <35a7db06....@news.mindspring.com>,
KAW11...@hotmail.com (Curtis Warden) wrote:

Thanks >Dan

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AZAD

TopGuns

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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There are many models of PWC's that aren't the easiest to start,
especially if the choke isn't fully closing and the low speed jet is a
tad lean. The dealer should be able to make the adjustments to help it
start quicker.

However, if you want instant cold starts, then the way to go is a
primer. I have used them since 1986 on 7 boats and Never had any
problems. And my boats start instantly. I never have replaced a
starter either, and one X2 I owned for 8 years.
The groups suggestions to raise compression and install a primer kit
will make a solid difference in starting and some performance gains.
But the decision is up to you.

Greg & Tina wrote:
>
> Okay, I am new here so I may be out of line, but why are some of you people
> wanting to shell out your own money to fix a problem that is Kawasaki's on a
> brand new machine???? It is becoming obvious that it's not just "certain"
> machines that are having the starting problem.
> I bought a 900 STX 3 weeks ago and the 3rd time out couldn't get it to start
> at all. I had to prime the sparkplugs which is a pain in the ass and not

> exactly safe in my opinion. Granted I want a machine to ride this summer, but


> if it's going to cost me extra money out of my pocket when I already paid xx$$
> then it will be returned and I'll buy another brand of watercraft - although I
> do like the Kawasaki. Can you tell I'm a little angry about not being able
> to ride my NEW machine????? By the way we are taking it up to the dealer
> today, but we're going on vacation in a week and if it's not fixed I guess it
> will be bye-bye Kaw.
>

> Tina

TopGuns

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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Dan,
I believe that you have the new CV type carbs which are very difficult
to tune for a high compression head. BEFORE you do the head change,
contact Tim at Mega...@Aol.com. He is working on a carb mod for those
folks who want to raise compression on the 98 ZXI + STX. The CV carbs
only have a sealed low speed mixture screw. There are no adjustments
for high speed and mid range performance.

Good Luck

Dan wrote:
>
> In article <35a77d2d....@news.mindspring.com>,


> KAW11...@hotmail.com (Curtis Warden) wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:13:49 -0400, Buckston...@mindspring.com
> > (Dan) wrote:
> >
> > > I read about the 1100 stx starting problem and mine is similar. I read
> > >that a primer kit would help a lot and I also read that a 150 lb head
> > >would help. Will they make the difference? What are the pros and cons of
> > >each? Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks >Dan
> > >
> > >--
> > >AZAD
> >
> > Youll get more bottem, middle, and top end power usually with the
> > head. Trouble free starts with the primer kit.
> >
> > Curtis
>

> Curtis,
>
> After instaling a new head what other mods will I have to make to my
> machine? Is it just as simple as bolt on and go or will I have to adjust
> and jet the carbs, worry about it overheating...?
>

> --
> AZAD

Dan

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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In article <199807120022...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
h2oaq...@aol.com (H2OAQUA007) wrote:

> I have been racing a 1100 stx I got on VIP loan from Kawasaki directly
and have
> found that if you do not have a primer kit installed ,that keeping a bottle of
> WD-40 to spray into the carbs will help fire it up and add top end lubrication
> at the same time. Frank

Frank,

How do you spray the WD-40 into the carbs with the flame arrestors in
the way?
>Dan

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AZAD

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W.S. O'Neal

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Jul 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/11/98
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Dan,
I think the new WD 40 is non- flammable. At least the California cans are.

Bill O'Neal
WCM

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Dan wrote in message ...

H2OAQUA007

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Jul 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/12/98
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JCDavisAtl

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Jul 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/12/98
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I am new to PWCs and this news group also. I have a 98' 900STX and I have had
no trouble starting it since the first day. It did take forever to start the
first time out and it fouled the plugs but it has started the first time every
time since then. Just a little choke and it fires up everytime. I dont know if
everyone is having this problem or if it is mainly the 1100s but this is just
my 2 cents. If anyone has any easy mods for this machine please e-mail me
privatly.

See ya
Corey

MR-HPT

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Jul 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/13/98
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Hello Tina. You can avoid many problems if you learn how your engine reacts to
cold starting. Some need to bo choked some don't. Step one is to find out if
your scoot is flooding or is it totally dry. At the next cold start up take the
spark plugs out and check out their condition. If they are wet that means you
flooding your engine, if dry your fuel is draining from the lines or you not
holding choke down long enough. Each machine has it's own personality just like
you ladies do. You should not have to spent a dime.
Regards George http://www.hpt-sport.com

Scott Gabster

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Jul 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/13/98
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I own a 97 stx 1100, I have never had the plugs foul, and the only problem
I have had when starting, is after a few months of non use.
JCDavisAtl wrote in message
<199807121845...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>
>
>I am new to PWCs and this news group also. I have a 98' 900STX and I have
had
>no trouble starting it since the first day. It did take forever to start
the
>first time out and it fouled the plugs but it has started the first time
every
>time since then. Just a little choke and it fires up everytime. I dont
know if
>everyone is having this problem or if it is mainly the 1100s but this is
just
>my 2 cents. If anyone has any easy mods for this machine please e-mail me
>privatly.
>
>See ya
>Corey
>

TopGuns

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Jul 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/13/98
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The problem as with most of the carbs on the late model Kawasaki's is
"totally dry". The quick permanent solution is a primer.

MR-HPT wrote:
>
> Hello Tina. You can avoid many problems if you learn how your engine reacts to
> cold starting. Some need to bo choked some don't. Step one is to find out if
> your scoot is flooding or is it totally dry. At the next cold start up take the
> spark plugs out and check out their condition. If they are wet that means you
> flooding your engine, if dry your fuel is draining from the lines or you not
> holding choke down long enough. Each machine has it's own personality just like
> you ladies do. You should not have to spent a dime.
> Regards George http://www.hpt-sport.com
>
> Greg & Tina wrote:
>

The Jacobson's

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Jul 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/14/98
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I had problems with my 97stx1100. I would turn off the fuel and run the
ski a
little to get onto the trailer. Then I ran it out of the water to purge
the water.
The next time I would try to start it the oil would pump into the carbs
before
the gas would enter the carbs. Lots of smoke when it would eventually
start. I
now turn the fuel off when I'm done running it on the trailer and dont
start or
crank with the fuel turned off. Mine starts with choke on no throttle and
on the
2nd try. I like to start it out of the water and level before I go to the
lake. A good
battery also helps pump up the fuel faster. I always look at the inline
filter to
make sure it's about half full of fuel before starting. Good fresh plugs
always help also.
Just my finding on the beast. Tommyboy

MR-HPT

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Jul 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/16/98
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MR-HPT

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Jul 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/16/98
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Thank You Top Guns. Regards. GJG

rodw

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Jul 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/16/98
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I have a 96 1100zxi and the only way I can get it started the first time
is to hold down the throttle pull the choke and push the button. When it
fires it continues to run fine at idle. (well maygbe a little rough but
it runs) It has never failed me at first startup and starts fine after
the first run of the day.

James Crone

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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The problem is probably with your carburator adjustment,
not the actual starting of your watercraft. Even if left for weeks,
there is still usually enough gas in the accelerator pumps to properly
"prime" your engine so it will start. One of the first modifications I
suggest doing to the OEM Kehein 38s is to pull the chokes (for roughly 50-
70 rpms increase). I have never needed a true "primer" on the OEM carbs.
Just before you push the start button, pull the throttle back 2-3 times
and let it rip. Also, an incorrect low speed circuit (to rich or too
lean) can complicate the starting problem. Make sure your idle is set for
around 3000-3500 rpms out of the water and 1500 in the water. This will
improve start up also. Make sure your battery is fully charged. Fouled or
wet plugs will also contribute to hard starting. Change them often if
your watercraft isn't "perfectly" tuned (loading up and or lean spots in
the powerband etc etc). Sometimes if/when you flood the engine with gas,
you can remove the plugs, ground each plug cap first and then turn the
engine over while placing a towel or shop rag over the plug holes to get
any excess fuel out. Make sure to do this with the fuel in the "off"
position. Wipe the plugs off so they are dry or replace them with new
ones. Once you install the plugs, leave the fuel off for a few seconds
and turn the engine over. It may start right up and then die. After that,
turn the gas to the "on" position, crank it over and it should start
right up. You may at the point need to blip the throttle again to get it
started. Only do it once or twice if needed.....

James Crone
Performance Engineering
940-321-5865


MR-HPT

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Jul 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/17/98
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Thank you. Avery machine has it's own system of priorities. GJG
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