97'Tigershark Daytona 1000 "Smoked the 97'Xp
amber linn taylor
I had the T-shark Daytona 1000 out there on the lake in Austin Tx.
on "glass" water. The Daytona killed the Xp out of the hole and top speed ,
But, the Xp could corner a little tighter. So, it was about even. The new
design of the Daytona made it a better boat , and faster than the Xp
by 5mph
******** but they were even in the corners. ********
So, its up to you.
John Galbreath Jr.
I am very curious. Where did you find and 97XP to race since the boats
will not be delivered until May.
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Amber,
As a Sea-Doo builder, I just love it when people compare apples to
oranges.
A 1000 cc Daytona at 515lbs compared to a 782cc Sea-Doo at 525lbs. If the
Tigershark were capable of speeds 5 mph more than the Sea-Doo (which I
doubt) it is quite flattering to know that the Tigershark needs 3 clyinders
and 215cc's plus a weight advantage to beat the Sea-Doo.
Why don't you compare it to the boats in it's class? It will probably
stack-up well against a GP1200 or a Kawasaki 1100 ZXI or aPolaris SL 1050.
These boats are available to compare with at this time. We'll see what
happens when the GSX LTD becomes available.
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amber linn taylor <ata...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in article
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Mark Wilkinson
W.S. O'Neal wrote:
>
> Amber,
> As a Sea-Doo builder, I just love it when people compare apples to
> oranges.
> A 1000 cc Daytona at 515lbs compared to a 782cc Sea-Doo at 525lbs. If the
> Tigershark were capable of speeds 5 mph more than the Sea-Doo (which I
> doubt) it is quite flattering to know that the Tigershark needs 3 clyinders
> and 215cc's plus a weight advantage to beat the Sea-Doo.
> Why don't you compare it to the boats in it's class? It will probably
> stack-up well against a GP1200 or a Kawasaki 1100 ZXI or aPolaris SL 1050.
> These boats are available to compare with at this time. We'll see what
> happens when the GSX LTD becomes available.
> --
> Bill @ E-MAIL: Water...@worldnet.att.net
>
>
to a Kaw 1100STX --- what's going on here? Mark
bubba
Amber linn,
Are you sure he wasn't slowing down to take a good look at the
"chick on the tigershark"!!!!!
just a thought ,bubba
Gregg Cohn
Mark Wilkinson wrote:
>
> W.S. O'Neal wrote:
> >
> > Amber,
> > As a Sea-Doo builder, I just love it when people compare apples to
> > oranges.
> Hey Bill, I just got through responding to your post comparing a GP1200
> to a Kaw 1100STX --- what's going on here? Mark
I can see how someone might think the GP is a three seater. It is
spacious!!!!! I actually think it is bigger than the WaveRunner III,
which is a 3-person pwc. Don't have the specs in front of me so puleeze
don't crucify me if I'm wrong.
It would be nice if more people thought the GP was a 3-person as it
would make it legal to ride in the Monterey Bay Sanctuary!
Gregg "1 or 2 seat pwc are BAD, BAD, BAD: 3 seater GOOD????" Cohn
Cana Scruz, CA, USA-a wonderful place where 1-2 seat PWC are Banned-
Steve Kanowjetski
On 11 Feb 1997 06:59:41 GMT, ata...@mail.utexas.edu (amber linn
taylor) wrote:
>
> I had the T-shark Daytona 1000 out there on the lake in Austin Tx.
>on "glass" water. The Daytona killed the Xp out of the hole and top speed ,
>But, the Xp could corner a little tighter. So, it was about even. The new
>design of the Daytona made it a better boat , and faster than the Xp
>by 5mph
>******** but they were even in the corners. ********
>So, its up to you.
Not enough info... to try and smoke Sea Doo.....
Did the riders swap, to see if they have the same result ???
My mate has a 96XP such as myself..... but he is able to gradually
take over me.... no matter which of our boats he is on....
Just a thought...
SteveK
Larry KN4IM
Gregg Cohn <grc...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>I can see how someone might think the GP is a three seater. It is
>spacious!!!!! I actually think it is bigger than the WaveRunner III,
>which is a 3-person pwc. Don't have the specs in front of me so puleeze
>don't crucify me if I'm wrong.
>
>It would be nice if more people thought the GP was a 3-person as it
>would make it legal to ride in the Monterey Bay Sanctuary!
>
>Gregg "1 or 2 seat pwc are BAD, BAD, BAD: 3 seater GOOD????" Cohn
>Cana Scruz, CA, USA-a wonderful place where 1-2 seat PWC are Banned-
Gregg, take a look at the MAX LOAD and you'll see why it's only a 2
person boat...unless there are 3 people around 125lbs...(c; The
payload capacity rating will only allow it to be billed as a 2 person
boat. The rest is full of ENGINE!
Larry, aboard "YamaHawg"....135hp is a beautiful thing.
Gregg Cohn
Look inside a GSX-Ltd.....Now that is FULL of engine. I could probably
crawl inside the GP1200 and sleep if I was so inclined, but it would
make my Chiropractor's wallet grow exponentially thicker! 8-)
Is it broken in yet? Have you been left behind yet? Have you ordered the
triple pipes? Interested in trading for a slightly used XP800???? hehehe
Gregg "still a sea dodo...jess feeding Larry's ego 8-D" Cohn
grc...@cats.ucsc.edu
Santa Cruz, CA, USA
ron emberton
amber linn taylor wrote:
>
> I had the T-shark Daytona 1000 out there on the lake in Austin Tx.
> on "glass" water. The Daytona killed the Xp out of the hole and top speed ,
> But, the Xp could corner a little tighter. So, it was about even. The new
> design of the Daytona made it a better boat , and faster than the Xp
> by 5mph
> ******** but they were even in the corners. ********
> So, its up to you.
race you come to lake sommerville and lets get on the bouy course so i
can show you how well a ts performs against someone that knows how to
ride. by the way if you cant beat a 1100zxi dont come race my xp as i
will whip your ass up and down the lake. oh by the way when did you buy
this new shark i remember will you started on this newsgroup with a 770
and didnt know heads from tales about pwc.
Larry KN4IM
Gregg Cohn <grc...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>Look inside a GSX-Ltd.....Now that is FULL of engine. I could probably
>crawl inside the GP1200 and sleep if I was so inclined, but it would
>make my Chiropractor's wallet grow exponentially thicker! 8-)
Just as long as there is enough room for Factory Pipe to put in a
triple ECWI pipe system, I'll be very happy. (Hope they see this
potential sale.) Sure would be some bitching boat if it had an FP
triple on it, I know!
>
>Is it broken in yet? Have you been left behind yet? Have you ordered the
>triple pipes? Interested in trading for a slightly used XP800???? hehehe
hee hee....see you DooBoys on the rivah!....hee hee
>
>Gregg "still a sea dodo...jess feeding Larry's ego 8-D" Cohn
>grc...@cats.ucsc.edu
>Santa Cruz, CA, USA
Larry aboard "YamaHawg".
"Hello? Is this Factory Pipe? WHEN WILL THEY BE READY!!"
bubba
Larry KN4IM <spa...@useless.ads> wrote in article
<3304655...@news.mindspring.com>...
> Larry,
They can't even get the spec 2's for the 785 out fast enough!!!!!
Don't hold your breath!
bubba
Seadoo G
How did you smoke the 97XP if is not going to be released untill April,
they are still working on it.
Stephen Lee
Hey Larry, I know that Factory Pipe is making dual pipes for the 753cc engine.
If you divide that by two, you get about 376.5cc per cylinder/pipe. Multiply
that by three, because you have three of those suckers in your puppy, and you
get 1129.5cc. Coincidence? I think not. If you can find another GP1200 and
buy THREE sets of dual pipes between the TWO of you, you BOTH can have TRIPLE
pipes!
TWO guys with TWO GP1200 buying THREE sets of TWIN pipes equals SIX pipes in
TWO boats amking, a S*#tload of horsepower. I love it.
Stephen
Larry KN4IM (spa...@useless.ads) wrote:
Larry KN4IM
SXL...@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Lee) wrote:
>Hey Larry, I know that Factory Pipe is making dual pipes for the 753cc engine.
>If you divide that by two, you get about 376.5cc per cylinder/pipe. Multiply
>that by three, because you have three of those suckers in your puppy, and you
>get 1129.5cc. Coincidence? I think not. If you can find another GP1200 and
>buy THREE sets of dual pipes between the TWO of you, you BOTH can have TRIPLE
>pipes!
The 1200 is just a 3 cyl 760. There is even holes in the mounting
plate of my GP1200 so you can put a 760 right into the same
drivetrain. The 1200 hull is modified by 2 blocks in the step on the
back to make the hull longer in back to compensate for the weight
shift and extra power of the extra cylinder. The
bore/stroke/displacement per cylinder are exactly the same....just
like PJS's 1200 is a 3 cyl 760 boat. Only problem of using 3 of the
dual pipes would be fitting them into the hull. The exhaust of the
1200 is about like a diesel truck, HUGE. I don't think the waterbox
end would be a problem if they can fit it into the left side of the
hull.
>
>TWO guys with TWO GP1200 buying THREE sets of TWIN pipes equals SIX pipes in
>TWO boats amking, a S*#tload of horsepower. I love it.
>
>Stephen
>
John Galbreath Jr.
Stephen Lee wrote:
>
> Hey Larry, I know that Factory Pipe is making dual pipes for the 753cc engine.
> If you divide that by two, you get about 376.5cc per cylinder/pipe. Multiply
> that by three, because you have three of those suckers in your puppy, and you
> get 1129.5cc. Coincidence? I think not. If you can find another GP1200 and
> buy THREE sets of dual pipes between the TWO of you, you BOTH can have TRIPLE
> pipes!
>
> TWO boats amking, a S*#tload of horsepower. I love it.
>
> Stephen
>
> : Gregg Cohn <grc...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>
> : >Look inside a GSX-Ltd.....Now that is FULL of engine. I could probably
> : >crawl inside the GP1200 and sleep if I was so inclined, but it would
> : >make my Chiropractor's wallet grow exponentially thicker! 8-)
>
> : Just as long as there is enough room for Factory Pipe to put in a
> : triple ECWI pipe system, I'll be very happy. (Hope they see this
> : potential sale.) Sure would be some bitching boat if it had an FP
> : triple on it, I know!
> : >
> : >Is it broken in yet? Have you been left behind yet? Have you ordered the
> : >triple pipes? Interested in trading for a slightly used XP800???? hehehe
>
> : hee hee....see you DooBoys on the rivah!....hee hee
>
> : >
> : >Gregg "still a sea dodo...jess feeding Larry's ego 8-D" Cohn
> : >grc...@cats.ucsc.edu
> : >Santa Cruz, CA, USA
>
>
> : "Hello? Is this Factory Pipe? WHEN WILL THEY BE READY!!"
Great idea IF they would fit in the boat. According to Robert at
factory pipe, the reason there is no Raider 1100 pipe is it will not
fit. I have both an 1100 and GP1200. I don't see how it could fit in
there either.
Gregg Cohn
John Galbreath Jr. wrote:
> Great idea IF they would fit in the boat. According to Robert at
> factory pipe, the reason there is no Raider 1100 pipe is it will not
> fit. I have both an 1100 and GP1200. I don't see how it could fit in
> there either.
> --
Where there is a will there is a way! Have you seen inside the SLX-Pro?
It has less space inside than the GP. The pipes go toward and into the
bow and then snake around and back out the stern.
Gregg "looking for a sugar-momma to satisfy my pwc lusting" Cohn
John Galbreath Jr.
Gregg. Yes I saw it at Havasu. Those pipes were made to go around the nose. They were
all made to fit together VERY close. One even appeared to have a "dent" in it to let
the other pass. BUT, it was designed that way by FP. To take a single or double pipe
from another application, add a pipe to it, then get it in the boat. I just don't think
it will happen. I will ask Robert at FP though next time I talk to him. If you decide
to try it, I would love a picture.
JASON BREMER
In <3308C6...@ABSCOFireplace.com> "John Galbreath Jr."
Try talking to Riva. I remember that at the 95 world finals they had a
1200 class raider fitted with triple riva pipes. They might have a few
available.
Jason
Dennis Traynor
sea...@aol.com (Seadoo G) wrote:
>How did you smoke the 97XP if is not going to be released untill April,
>they are still working on it.
I don't know about April, but our local dealer had a 97 XP sitting on
a trailer in front of his shop yesterday.
Dennis
grizzjon
The 1997 Daytona 1 Liter model has not gone into production yet. Planned
for the first week of March. Although there has been tons of interest and
pre-production sales, dealers will not have stock until probably May 1.
Although not impossible, it is highly unlikely that there are more than 1
dozen boats that are not currently assigned to Engineering in FL.
Arctco is still finishing up loose ends on the final production model of
this craft.
It is a fast boat. It may even be competitive with others this year. But in
pre-production, it would be folly to announce whose "pre-production" boat
is faster or better.
The '98 will have a completely new hull under it. It is already well
underway. But it too has not beat anyone yet!
JMS
Tom Corle
James Crone wrote:
>
> Yeah well, you should see what Kawasaki has planned for 1998.....I'm
> tight lipped but it's pretty amazing from what I've heard.....
>
> James Crone
> Performance Engineering
> 817-321-5865
Yea right, that's what my dealer said about this year.
Where's the sport craft, the ultra trick runabout with powervalves?
Even the standup is gone.
I have been waiting since 1994 for a new sport craft. Where is it
Kawasaki? I heard they fell behind polaris in sales,serves them
right. Kawasaki R.I.P.
Tom Corle
James Crone
Christopher
Eric Aupperlee wrote:
>
> In article <5eo3pn$1b...@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>, FSX...@prodigy.com (James Crone) wrote:
> >
> > Yeah well, you should see what Kawasaki has planned for 1998.....I'm
> >tight lipped but it's pretty amazing from what I've heard.....
> >
>
> case for it. You have no proof either way, so tell us all about it and let our
> imaginations run wild. (Sure hope Kawi introduces a sport boat already.)
>
> SeaDoo dealer finally admitted that the XP will be getting the 900 in '98.
> SeaDoo salesperson at boat show said so as well (friend attended).
If they would put that 900 in the GTX with pitch control, that would be
worth upgrading too. How many horses in that 900 Anyways? 130?
>
> DOn't the emissions laws begin to gradually take hold in 98? Won't this
> affect price/performance ratio in a major way?
>
> --
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Joseph Kayser
Christopher wrote:
>
> Eric Aupperlee wrote:
> >
> > In article <5eo3pn$1b...@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>, FSX...@prodigy.com (James Crone) wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah well, you should see what Kawasaki has planned for 1998.....I'm
> > >tight lipped but it's pretty amazing from what I've heard.....
> > >
> >
> > OK, fess up. Since what you've heard is only rumor, Kawi can't get on your
> > case for it. You have no proof either way, so tell us all about it and let our
> > imaginations run wild. (Sure hope Kawi introduces a sport boat already.)
> >
> > SeaDoo dealer finally admitted that the XP will be getting the 900 in '98.
> > SeaDoo salesperson at boat show said so as well (friend attended).
If they do put the 950 in the XP for 98, I'll bet anything that it's
another "Limited Availability" model.
W.S. O'Neal
Joseph,
The "offical" word from Sea-Doo is, that there is no offical word about
future use of the 947 series motors in any other model than the GSX. This
does not mean they won't use it in another model, it just means that they
are not saying what the plans are for this motor. I would assume they plan
to use it in the GSX, GTX and maybe a "special XP LTD ". I find it hard to
believe that they didn't build a 1997 XP with at least a 787X motor for
homologation into the 1200 IJSBA rules. I believe this could have been a
killer boat with our big bore for enduro racing and maybe closed course as
well.
With the up-coming clean air legislation, I won't venture a guess, as I
think we all just have to wait and see what they do. One thing is pretty
certain, prices will rise due to costs of development of the clean air
motors.
A Sea-Doo dealer is not a reliable source for info on upcoming changes to
the product lines at Sea-Doo until the company "officially" announces the
changes. All employees of Bombardier Corp. have to sign a non-disclosure
agreement at the time of employment, and this is strictly enforced, with
the penalty being termination if a employee is caught passing out info on
up-coming models or changes. I have listened to more BS from dealers over
the years than I care to remember about product changes. Some of them call
me to see what I know, which is usually squat! As a member of their racing
team, I was always frustrated because they do not tell us much either,
until it becomes "public knowledege" per our contracts with Bombardier
Corp. We teams were also subject to the disclosure clause in our contracts
also.
The 947 motor is a big beefy motor with some great changes to the design,
which should make it the best motor yet from Rotax for the Sea-Doo line.
It's too bad we can't get our hands on any motors until they are publically
released upon shipment of the GSXltd's. I would love to be using one now as
I see lots of potential in this motor. The design could yeild up to 200 HP,
but it will take time to get it there.
Bill O'Neal
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Joseph Kayser <joseph...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<331056...@worldnet.att.net>...
James Crone
Look at "overall" sales of sport craft in the market. Kawasaki
doesnt want to invest millions of dollars in R&D into a new sport craft
that there isnt really a market for. Ditto on the 785cc class boats. The
concentration of effort will be the 1200cc class. I'm telling you...You
will be surprised, even I was...and I'm not real happy with Kawasaki
right now either. I'm not just talking out of my a** here... :)
JASON BREMER
Kawasaki's race team told me personally "that a sport boat is a waste
of time. It isn't a selling boat in today's market. They had a
proto-type but decided not to produce." They were extremely rude about
it.
Jason
In <330FCD...@earthlink.net> Tom Corle <tco...@earthlink.net>
writes:
>
>James Crone wrote:
>>
>> Yeah well, you should see what Kawasaki has planned for
1998.....I'm
>> tight lipped but it's pretty amazing from what I've heard.....
>>
>> James Crone
>> Performance Engineering
>> 817-321-5865
>
>
James Crone
Since this information came from a friend and Kawasaki insider, not
a dealer, I herald the information to be VERY reliable. These arent
rumors, just something they have been working on for quite some time.
However, last year I screwed myself in a big way by telling people what I
knew and I'm just not going to do that again. Seems I pissed some people
off at a corporate level and when I needed help they werent willing to do
much. I couldnt even get two top decks from Kawasaki last year for the
race boats, and those were ones up for destruction! I was lucky to get
one...Thank you Mr Herzog for the one. I'm thankful for your help.
As for the mystery boat, I would be glad to tell what I knew if I
knew it would raise some interest in Kawasaki products, but they just
dont see it that way...
James Crone
Dealers often know less than the well informed consumer! The
only time a dealer knows for "sure" about anything is after the press
release/dealer shows.....
James Crone
I hear the engine cases on the 951cc Sea-Doo motor are very
restrictive or weak/too small??? Any truth to this Bill?
W.S. O'Neal
Chuck Bruni
> > restrictive or weak/too small??? Any truth to this Bill?
> >
> > James Crone
> > Performance Engineering
> > 817-321-5865
> >
> >
one before you tweek my boats next week :-)
W.S. O'Neal
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Chuck Bruni <chu...@mail.idt.net> wrote in article
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Chuck, Bring it with you, and some doughnuts too!
Bill
SRS1ST
you con mark it down !! the NEW DATONA 1000 will be fastest two seater for
1997
Christopher Paull
In article <19970307042...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, srs...@aol.com
The test results from April 1997 Water Craft World show
this boat to max out around 55MPH... (According to the
speed graph..)
It will have to go at least 5MPH faster than this
to even be in the race...
I think you need to go back and get anouther clue.
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