Rename the Stars
Anthony O'Dea
with Minnesota. So how about we rename them (at the least it'll give disgruntled
Minn. fans an excuse to abuse N. Green again).
I'll start the ball (puck?) rolling. In keeping with the Texas image, I say we
go for :
Dallas Rustlers
It even fits the way the team came to D.
Anyone got any better ideas?
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thomas galvin
>As long as Dallas are called the Stars, people are going to keep identifying them
>with Minnesota. So how about we rename them (at the least it'll give disgruntled
>Minn. fans an excuse to abuse N. Green again).
>
>I'll start the ball (puck?) rolling. In keeping with the Texas image, I say we
>go for :
> Dallas Rustlers
>It even fits the way the team came to D.
>
Norm Green fully intended to rename the club, it's just that because
he could not submit a new name and logo and colors to the league by
the deadline he was stuck with Dallas Stars for one season. I seem to
remember that he was going to hold a contest during this season to
rename the Stars. I believe the deadline for the new logo and colors
is Feb 1st, but someone more in the know can correct me on that. I,
for one, would be really surprised if "Lone Stars" wins but I bet it
gets submitted by a bunch of folks.
(Also, should Minnesota reclaim a club, I would expect them to try to
name them the North Stars and use the old logo, I think Norm Green
relinquishes claim to both once he renames the club. Someone have a
comment on that?)
As for Dallas "Rustlers" -- sounds pretty good to me, I can't come up
with another off-hand, although the Old West motif of virtually all
the Dallas-based sports teams must get old after awhile. :-)
-Tom
Deepak Chhabra
>them with Minnesota. So how about we rename them (at the least it'll give
>disgruntled Minn. fans an excuse to abuse N. Green again).
>I'll start the ball (puck?) rolling. In keeping with the Texas image, I say we
>go for :
> Dallas Rustlers
>It even fits the way the team came to D.
I don't think they will be identified with Minnesota for long, much like
Calgary is not identified with Atlanta. I always thought "Lone Stars" was
the easiest and most appropriate name to go with.
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Danny J. Sohier
dchh...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>>go for :
>> Dallas Rustlers
>>It even fits the way the team came to D.
>
Following Anaheim, we could call'em the ANGRY COWS OF DALLAS.....
Or on a more serious note, the DALLAS SHERRIFS....
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>In article <CA5xy...@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> Deepak Chhabra,
>dchh...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>>>go for :
>>> Dallas Rustlers
>>>It even fits the way the team came to D.
>>
>
>Following Anaheim, we could call'em the ANGRY COWS OF DALLAS.....
>
>Or on a more serious note, the DALLAS SHERRIFS....
>
>
No! No! I will not be a Goof! All previous Posters Say it Too!
How about sticking with the "Lone Stars", It fits perfectly, and will go well
with their lone fan in the stands. Why mess with success!
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Michael Collingridge
>In article <31...@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> ao...@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Anthony O'Dea) writes:
>>As long as Dallas are called the Stars, people are going to keep identifying
>>them with Minnesota. So how about we rename them (at the least it'll give
>>disgruntled Minn. fans an excuse to abuse N. Green again).
>>I'll start the ball (puck?) rolling. In keeping with the Texas image, I say we
>>go for :
>> Dallas Rustlers
>>It even fits the way the team came to D.
Well then, how about the Dallas Starbucks?-)
>I don't think they will be identified with Minnesota for long, much like
>Calgary is not identified with Atlanta.
That's because in the time that the team has been in Calgary they went
somewhere (from nothing to SC contenders) and accomplished something
the Atlanta-based team could only dream of doing (win a SC).
> I always thought "Lone Stars" was
>the easiest and most appropriate name to go with.
In my mind, until the team in Dallas wins a cup or outperforms the
North Stars record in the NHL (i.e. a couple of SC final appearances)
they will be identified as the 'Falling Stars' from Minnesota.
MC
Patrick L Humphrey
I take it you still refer to the Baltimore Colts and St. Louis Cardinals in
the NFL?
Dallas Lone Stars, they should be. (Even though it galls me to have to root
for a team in Dallas, what the hell -- it's the NHL, and it's in Texas.)
--PLH, who will be wearing a *Dallas* Stars jersey when he and his wife visit
the Cities next month
--
sonny hays-eberts
pat...@brazos.owlnet.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) wrote:
>
> Dallas Lone Stars, they should be. (Even though it galls me to have to root
> for a team in Dallas, what the hell -- it's the NHL, and it's in Texas.)
what about the dallas shooting stars????
given the number of rifles i spot in back pickup window racks in tx, it
wouldn't be all that inaccurate.. :)
from whence then, could arise the solitary and strange conceit that the
almighty, who had millions of worlds equally dependant on his protection,
should quit the care of all the rest, and come to die on our world,
because, they say, one man and one woman had eaten an apple? - thomas paine
sonny hays-eberts
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Deepak Chhabra
>>I don't think they will be identified with Minnesota for long, much like
>>Calgary is not identified with Atlanta.
>That's because in the time that the team has been in Calgary they went
>somewhere (from nothing to SC contenders) and accomplished something
>the Atlanta-based team could only dream of doing (win a SC).
>In my mind, until the team in Dallas wins a cup or outperforms the
>North Stars record in the NHL (i.e. a couple of SC final appearances)
>they will be identified as the 'Falling Stars' from Minnesota.
I disagree completely. First reason: people have short memories. Second
(but more important) reason: there is absolutely no reason to identify
the team with Minnesota. It is now in Dallas, end of story. Minnesota
is out of the picture. Btw Calgary's Stanley Cup win has little to do
with their not being identified with Atlanta. Didn't Colorado move to New
Jersey? What noteworthy accomplishments have the Devils achieved?
Perhaps I should have named them as my first example instead.
Roger Maynard
>I disagree completely. First reason: people have short memories. Second
>(but more important) reason: there is absolutely no reason to identify
>the team with Minnesota. It is now in Dallas, end of story. Minnesota
The team played in Minnesota for 26 years. Probably since before you were
born. This is not the deal with either Calgary/Atlanta or Kansas City/Colorado/
New Jersey.
>is out of the picture. Btw Calgary's Stanley Cup win has little to do
>with their not being identified with Atlanta. Didn't Colorado move to New
>Jersey? What noteworthy accomplishments have the Devils achieved?
>Perhaps I should have named them as my first example instead.
The North Stars had a measure of success in Minnesota. They will remain
the North Stars in my mind, for a while at least. Hell, I still refer
to the Raiders as Oakland.
cordially, but warily,
rm
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Patrick L Humphrey
>In article <PATRICK.93...@brazos.owlnet.rice.edu>,
>pat...@brazos.owlnet.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) wrote:
>>
>> Dallas Lone Stars, they should be. (Even though it galls me to have to root
>> for a team in Dallas, what the hell -- it's the NHL, and it's in Texas.)
>what about the dallas shooting stars????
>given the number of rifles i spot in back pickup window racks in tx, it
>wouldn't be all that inaccurate.. :)
How long has it been since you were down here? That had pretty much died out
around here by the time I got through college, and that was 16 years
ago...these days, it's more like a 9mm in the glove box of a BMW. :-)
Whatever they wind up being called, if the NHL wants a rivalry, all they have
to do is either expand or move a team down here, and then they'll see some
fireworks...
--PLH, waiting 15 years for hockey to come back to town tends to do that
--
Patrick L Humphrey
>In <CA88D...@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> dchh...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:
>>I disagree completely. First reason: people have short memories. Second
>>(but more important) reason: there is absolutely no reason to identify
>>the team with Minnesota. It is now in Dallas, end of story. Minnesota
>The team played in Minnesota for 26 years. Probably since before you were
>born.This is not the deal with either Calgary/Atlanta or Kansas City/Colorado/
>New Jersey.
So? They aren't in Minnesota any more. They're down here four hours away
from me in north Texas. Whether they should or shouldn't have moved down here
is irrelevant -- the fact is, they *are* here.
>>is out of the picture. Btw Calgary's Stanley Cup win has little to do
>>with their not being identified with Atlanta. Didn't Colorado move to New
>>Jersey? What noteworthy accomplishments have the Devils achieved?
>>Perhaps I should have named them as my first example instead.
>The North Stars had a measure of success in Minnesota. They will remain
>the North Stars in my mind, for a while at least. Hell, I still refer
>to the Raiders as Oakland.
Cute. I'm old enough to remember the Minneapolis Lakers and Brooklyn Dodgers,
and I don't seem to have any trouble calling them by their current
designations. That was then. This is now.
--PLH, even remembers *both* Washington Senators franchises, which qualifies
me as an official glutton for punishment...
--
Mike Poplawski
My off-the-wall prediction is that the Stars will be eventually
renamed after a sponsor. If you don't believe me, look at what
has happened over the past few years in terms of board and on-ice
advertising. And we now have an NHL team named after a mediocre
motion picture. Most European teams wear uniforms covered in
advertising-it will happen here. NHL owners are motivated by
greed and Norm Green is their hero.
That aside, I don't have a suggestion for their new name, but
I feel they must change their colors (green/gold are Minnesota
state colors) and their real full name (NORTH Stars) is
totally inappropriate.
Rustlers? Not bad. That's what our softball team was called
last year after our team voted on it.
Lone Stars (with new colors and uniforms, please) would be
my preference.
--
Mike Poplawski uc...@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
Victoria, British Columbia Canada
Valerie S. Hammerl
>
>My off-the-wall prediction is that the Stars will be eventually
>renamed after a sponsor. If you don't believe me, look at what
>has happened over the past few years in terms of board and on-ice
>advertising. And we now have an NHL team named after a mediocre
>motion picture. Most European teams wear uniforms covered in
>advertising-it will happen here. NHL owners are motivated by
>greed and Norm Green is their hero.
I believe it, and offer that it's the trend in sports. Take the World
University Games, for example (The what? ;-) . Team Canada could
pass for Team Coke, as seemingly every piece of their apparel had the
logo for Coca-cola on it. Getting back to hockey, we have the USAir
arena (formerly the Capital Centre) renamed for monetary purposes. We
have advertising between the blue lines on the ice surface. The boards
at every rink look like a kid's baseball stadium walls.
One bright spot for the NHL, the Buffalo Sabres have a name that
stuck for their arena already, and it doesn't involve a single
corporate tie-in. It's called the Crossroads. Maybe they shied off
of corporate names because Buffalo's AAA baseball team is currently
involved in a legal dispute with Pilot Air Freight over the contract
with the city which named the stadium Pilot Field. Maybe they just
haven't latched on to a sponsor yet ( I hope that's not the case ).
If we end up seeing the Mark IV Crossroads Arena or the General Mills
Crossroads Arena or something, I may get ill. :-P
But back to corporate tie-ins. We're talking about a sport whose
players might already have contracts with corporations. Grant Fuhr
has a contract with Reebok for apparel to wear in his off hours or on
the golf course. I forget how many millions it's worth. And wasn't
there something some years ago about goalie pads painted to look like
coke cans? Nixed, true, but the fact that someone thought of it is
frightening itself.
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Darren Bruce Boucher
>That aside, I don't have a suggestion for their new name, but
>I feel they must change their colors (green/gold are Minnesota
>state colors) and their real full name (NORTH Stars) is
>totally inappropriate.
The team name was official changed to the Stars a couple years ago, have
you not seen their uniforms since? The press really never stopped calling
them the North Stars though, at least not in the cities I lived in the
past two years.
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Valerie S. Hammerl
>In <1993Jul15....@camins.camosun.bc.ca> uc...@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Mike Poplawski) writes:
>>I feel they must change their colors (green/gold are Minnesota
>>state colors) and their real full name (NORTH Stars) is
>>totally inappropriate.
>
>The team name was official changed to the Stars a couple years ago, have
>you not seen their uniforms since? The press really never stopped calling
>them the North Stars though, at least not in the cities I lived in the
>past two years.
From what I'd heard, the team name was never officially changed, it
was just an attempt by Green to get the team associated with stars as
a nickname (?possibly to facilitate the move to Dallas?), rather like
the Leafs or the Wings. The logo changed, but I don't recall an
official name change with the League. I was never impressed with the
new uniforms.
thomas galvin
True. Although I think it is worthy to note that several Atlanta
hockey fans remained quite loyal to the club. Several fans whipped
out old Flames jerseys while Calgary made their '89 Cup run, and I
remember seeing SCA shooting scenes from an Atlanta sports bar where
there were hundreds of them packed in.
Atlanta's move to Calgary was far more amicable, though, and many
accepted it as a necessary event for the survival of the club. When
St. Louis and Baltimore lost their NFL franchises due to the owner's
wishes, it was a bitter event. Now those two cities appear to be the
front runners for the two new franchises to start in '95. Baseball
has had a long tradition of returning new franchises to places that
have lost them (Senators, Brewers, Royals, Mets, etc.). So in other
sports, even an ugly situation with a city losing a franchise at least
gets reasonable opportunities to re-establish a new identity with a
new club -- and everything is fine.
I guess my point is that as long as Green goes 'out of his way' to
sting Minnesota (threatening to veto franchise moves there, trying to
block neutral-site games in Minneapolis, whatever else he may have
tried) I think that despite the fact that Dallas owns the Stars now
the Minnesota legacy will not die.
-Tom Galvin gal...@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
thomas galvin
No, the redesignation was never "official" because it was not
recognized by the league. They wanted to change it, and they tried to
stamp out the use of "North" in a similar manner that Xerox has tried
to outlaw the verb "to xerox". Fact is, the "North" was not
officially dropped until they went to Dallas.
-Tom
Deepak Chhabra
[I wrote:]
>>I disagree completely. First reason: people have short memories. Second
>>(but more important) reason: there is absolutely no reason to identify
>>the team with Minnesota. It is now in Dallas, end of story.
>The team played in Minnesota for 26 years. Probably since before you were
>born. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^
Maybe, maybe not. Either way it makes no difference...
>This is not the deal with either Calgary/Atlanta or Kansas City/
>Colorado/New Jersey.
>The North Stars had a measure of success in Minnesota. They will remain
>the North Stars in my mind, for a while at least. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In article <CA5xy...@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>, I said "I don't think they
will be identified with Minnesota _for_ _long_...." (emphasis added). Is
"for a while at least" equivalent to "not for long"? In that case, one
could argue that we actually agree. That you and perhaps others will
identify the team with Minnesota "for a while" doesn't surprise me; all
I'm saying is that it likely will not continue for long, and that IMO
it's a non-issue when it comes to choosing the team name.
Btw, "Lone Stars" would be my choice for team name independent of
whether the Minnesota team name was "(North) Stars", simply because of the
whole "Lone Star State" thing.
Mitch McGowan
>The team name was official changed to the Stars a couple years ago, have
>you not seen their uniforms since? The press really never stopped calling
>them the North Stars though, at least not in the cities I lived in the
>past two years.
Actually, as has been mentioned by several others here, that is not the
case at all. When the uniforms and logo were changed, Norm Green wanted
to change the name to the Minnesota Stars. There was massive fan
opposition to this. Others have stated here that the league was not
willing to go along with change. This may indeed be the case. Anyway,
Green did not want to appear to be caving in to public (or league)
pressure, so he came out with the cockamamie "they-should-be-nicknamed-the-
Stars-like-the-Leafs-or-the-Hawks" story. It was a face-saving measure, a
fiasco, and should have been an indication of Green's contempt for the
fans of Minnesota.
All media materials, press releases and stationery have said Minnesota
North Stars for the past two years (and even before that, of course).
As for renaming the team, IMHO "Dallas Lone Stars" sounds kind of dumb. I
think "Texas Lone Stars" would be better. That is just my opinion and you
are all entitled to yours. I liked "Dallas Rustlers" when it was
suggested. With all of the fuss over San Jose and Anaheim merchandising,
you can bet that if they do rename the team that the result will be a well
researched and highly-marketable name, with colors and logo designed to
sell merchandise. Not that that is a bad thing, necessarily.
Other Dallas sports teams have included:
Dallas Chaparrals (ABA)
Dallas Cowboys (NFL)
Dallas Mavericks (NBA)
Dallas Sidekicks (MISL)
Dallas Texans (NFL)
Dallas Tornado (NASL)
Texas Rangers (AL)
If they market themselves right, they could end up as the "Dallas
Bonanza."
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Darren Bruce Boucher
>In article <CA9IA...@cs.dal.ca> bou...@ug.cs.dal.ca (Darren Bruce Boucher) writes:
>>In <1993Jul15....@camins.camosun.bc.ca> uc...@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Mike Poplawski) writes:
>>>I feel they must change their colors (green/gold are Minnesota
>>>state colors) and their real full name (NORTH Stars) is
>>>totally inappropriate.
>>
>>The team name was official changed to the Stars a couple years ago, have
>>you not seen their uniforms since? The press really never stopped calling
>>them the North Stars though, at least not in the cities I lived in the
>>past two years.
>From what I'd heard, the team name was never officially changed, it
>was just an attempt by Green to get the team associated with stars as
>a nickname (?possibly to facilitate the move to Dallas?), rather like
>the Leafs or the Wings. The logo changed, but I don't recall an
>official name change with the League. I was never impressed with the
>new uniforms.
Well I I just figured if they changed their uniforms and what they called
themselves it was official. It's not like the Leafs or Wings, that's just
a shortened name, and they don't go by that name on paper, as the Stars
were.
Bryan Smale
>>In <1993Jul15....@camins.camosun.bc.ca> uc...@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Mike Poplawski) writes:
>>I feel they must change their colors (green/gold are Minnesota
>>state colors) and their real full name (NORTH Stars) is
>>totally inappropriate.
>
>The team name was official changed to the Stars a couple years ago, have
>you not seen their uniforms since? The press really never stopped calling
>them the North Stars though, at least not in the cities I lived in the
>past two years.
Any speculations about whether or not they will change their uniform
colours? As in some other cities where all the professional sports
teams wear the same colour combinations, I wonder if the Stars will
adopt the Cowboys' colours of silver and blue. Maybe then they would
become America's *hockey* team.
Bryan
Michael Collingridge
[<slash> <cut> <bleed> <stitch>]
>I disagree completely. First reason: people have short memories. Second
>(but more important) reason: there is absolutely no reason to identify
>the team with Minnesota. It is now in Dallas, end of story. Minnesota
>is out of the picture. Btw Calgary's Stanley Cup win has little to do
>with their not being identified with Atlanta. Didn't Colorado move to New
>Jersey? What noteworthy accomplishments have the Devils achieved?
What rubbish! First you say Calgary's accomplishments have 'little to do
with their not being identified with Atlanta'. Then you give the Rockies/
Devils example and ask, 'What noteworthy accomplishments have the Devils
achieved?' Are you always this indecisive about things?!?! Not sure?!?-)
If you say Calgary's SC has little to do with them not being identified
with Atlanta, why bring up the question of the Rockies/Devils achievements
to prove your point?
As far as the league is concerned, your statement that the fact Calgary
won a SC has little to do with their identity is correct. But my point
is until the Calgary team demonstrated SC contengency in '86 (finalists
to Montreal), I still considered them as the same washed-up team from
Atlanta.
>Perhaps I should have named them as my first example instead.
Still not sure about this, eh? The Rockies/Devils example doesn't wash.
For one thing, the team name changed. But more significantly, as someone
else already pointed out, you are dealing with a 26 year NHL legacy in the
case of Minnesota. A heritage not easy to erase with simply a move to greener
pastures. How many years did the Rockies last? Six? Big deal.
Another thing, from what I understand the move from Atlanta to Calgary
was necessary for the survival of the franchise. This is not the case
in the Minnesota to Dallas move.
Not to take anything away from the Dallas fans, but until the team achieves
better success than when in Minnesota, in my mind they will be the mediocre
team from Minnesota for a *long* time. Now a name change from 'Stars' or
the establishment of a new franchise in Minnesota may dilute this identity,
but that's about it. Good luck Dallas. Maybe Green will tire, hopefully.
MC
Michael Collingridge
>On Wed, 14 Jul 1993 22:02:43 GMT, col...@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) said:
[<slice> <hack>]
>>In my mind, until the team in Dallas wins a cup or outperforms the
>>North Stars record in the NHL (i.e. a couple of SC final appearances)
>>they will be identified as the 'Falling Stars' from Minnesota.
>
>I take it you still refer to the Baltimore Colts and St. Louis Cardinals in
>the NFL?
Uh, sorry. You lost me on this one. I'm afraid I don't follow the NFL
that closely. Or perhaps you meant MLB? Last time I looked, the Cardinals
were still in St. Louis, and I don't remember Baltimore having a team
other than the Orioles.
@^U
Time to try out a sig...
MC
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Patrick L Humphrey
>
>My off-the-wall prediction is that the Stars will be eventually
>renamed after a sponsor. If you don't believe me, look at what
>has happened over the past few years in terms of board and on-ice
>advertising. And we now have an NHL team named after a mediocre
>motion picture. Most European teams wear uniforms covered in
>advertising-it will happen here. NHL owners are motivated by
>greed and Norm Green is their hero.
I hate to say it, but you're probably right. We've already seen the first
example of it in the CBA a couple of years ago -- the Cedar Falls Silver
Bullets (yes, sponsored by *that* brewery). I was hoping that was just
a local aberration, but the arrival of the Mighty Sucks has convinced me the
writing is on the wall...
>That aside, I don't have a suggestion for their new name, but
>I feel they must change their colors (green/gold are Minnesota
>state colors) and their real full name (NORTH Stars) is
>totally inappropriate.
Are you going to complain to the Oakland As or Seattle Supersonics? They
wear the same green and gold. As far as the name goes, they're not the
North Stars, now that they've come to Texas -- just plain Stars, for this
season. (You think we'd stand for a franchise with "North" tacked onto its
name? That's still not a popular direction down here. :-)
>Rustlers? Not bad. That's what our softball team was called
>last year after our team voted on it.
>
>Lone Stars (with new colors and uniforms, please) would be
>my preference.
I'd as soon see them as the *Texas* Lone Stars, splitting a home schedule
between Dallas and Houston, myself -- and they'd have to be decked out in
our state colors, of course: red, white, and blue...but with Norm Greed in
charge, I'm not going to be reserving my season tickets just yet.
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Patrick L Humphrey
>In article <PATRICK.93...@brazos.owlnet.rice.edu> pat...@brazos.owlnet.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>>On Wed, 14 Jul 1993 22:02:43 GMT, col...@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) said:
>
>[<slice> <hack>]
>
>>>In my mind, until the team in Dallas wins a cup or outperforms the
>>>North Stars record in the NHL (i.e. a couple of SC final appearances)
>>>they will be identified as the 'Falling Stars' from Minnesota.
>>
>>I take it you still refer to the Baltimore Colts and St. Louis Cardinals in
>>the NFL?
>
>Uh, sorry. You lost me on this one. I'm afraid I don't follow the NFL
>that closely. Or perhaps you meant MLB? Last time I looked, the Cardinals
>were still in St. Louis, and I don't remember Baltimore having a team
>other than the Orioles.
You must not follow the NFL very much, if at all -- the Baltimore Colts and
St. Louis Cardinals don't exist any more, having been spirited away (to
Indianapolis and Phoenix, respectively) by greedy owners in the mold of
Norm Green. Those were two franchises that were pretty strongly identified
with their communities, as were the Oakland Raiders. I just brought that up
since you said that as far as you're concerned, they'll still be identified
as the Minnesota North Stars...unfortunately for you, more than a few people
down here in Texas will have no such illusions. They are the Dallas Stars
now, and what you think they are is irrelevant.
Deepak Chhabra
>>Btw Calgary's Stanley Cup win has little to do
>>with their not being identified with Atlanta. Didn't Colorado move to New
>>Jersey? What noteworthy accomplishments have the Devils achieved?
>What rubbish! First you say Calgary's accomplishments have 'little to do
>with their not being identified with Atlanta'. Then you give the Rockies/
>Devils example and ask, 'What noteworthy accomplishments have the Devils
>achieved?' Are you always this indecisive about things?!?!
"Rubbish"? Are you so sure? Pay attention for a moment. _Your_ argument
says that until Calgary won the SC, they were identified with Atlanta. If
we extrapolate and consider an arbitrary team that moved from another
location, your same argument indicates that until the team in the new
location accomplishes something noteworthy, they will continue to be
identified with the old location. So I point out that very few people,
if any, identify the Devils with the Rockies. But the Devils haven't done
a hell of a lot, have they? Yet if we accept your argument, NJ would
have had to win the Cup, or something to that effect, before people
stopped identifying them with Colorado (making it to the semis doesn't cut
it, either). In other words, this is a (rather clear) counterexample to
your argument.
>Not sure?!?-)
In fact, I'm quite sure.
thomas galvin
>bou...@ug.cs.dal.ca (Darren Bruce Boucher) writes:
>
>
>Other Dallas sports teams have included:
>
>Dallas Chaparrals (ABA)
>Dallas Cowboys (NFL)
>Dallas Mavericks (NBA)
>Dallas Sidekicks (MISL)
>Dallas Texans (NFL)
the NFL.
^ Also in the Arena Football League, BTW. I think
they even ressurected the old AFL uniforms.
>Dallas Tornado (NASL)
>Texas Rangers (AL)
>
>If they market themselves right, they could end up as the "Dallas
>Bonanza."
>
>[.sigs deleted]
I like Chapparals, but I wonder if enough people know what one is
without requiring a dictionary (as much as we hate the Ducks moniker,
at least there's no mystery about it. :-) )
-Tom Galvin gal...@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
Mitch McGowan
>In article <226tdl$e...@news.u.washington.edu> ham...@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan) writes:
>>Other Dallas sports teams have included:
>>
>>Dallas Chaparrals (ABA)
>>Dallas Texans (NFL)
> ^ Actually the AFL, they were KC when they joined
> the NFL.
Yes, the Dallas Texans did play in the 4th version of the American
Football League. However, a team known as the Dallas Texans also played
in the NFL in 1952.
From "Can You Name That Team?" by David B. Biesel:
A franchise was awarded to Dallas, and the club purchased the assets of
the New York Yanks, which owner Ted Collins had sold back to the NFL. The
Dallas team was named the Texans, in honor of the state, but had a
disastrous season. The team failed in midseason, and the NFL operated it
as a road team for the last five games. It ended the season with a 1-11
record.
>I like Chapparals, but I wonder if enough people know what one is
>without requiring a dictionary (as much as we hate the Ducks moniker,
>at least there's no mystery about it. :-) )
I like Chaparals, too, but each time I hear it I think of the old TV show
"High Chaparal." And a dictionary can only add to the confusion. My
Webster's lists "a thicket of shrubs, thorny bushes, etc., orig., of
evergreen oaks." It lists the "chaparal cock" as "same as road runner,"
which is what I understood the nickname to be referring to.
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name is because the owners of the Dallas ABA franchise were meeting in a room
called the Chapparal Room, and the owners thought it would be a cool name.
Just my $.02!!
Later Gators,
Byron Magrane
> -Tom Galvin gal...@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
>
>
>
>
Roland L. Behunin
IN the tradition of hte Great Lone St State, I say remane them
"The Texas Lone Stars".
thomas galvin
Oh, I thought the Dallas Chapparals were named after the missile.
Oh, well. Thanks for straightening me out! :-)
-Tom Galvin gal...@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
Tom Greenberg
>
> IN the tradition of hte Great Lone St State, I say remane them
> "The Texas Lone Stars".
>
Why? Come on, can't we think of anything original for the new team to be
called. How about the Dallas Sam Houston's, or maybe the Dallas Landry's
in honour of their great football coach. Better yet, how about the
Dallas Alamo, no? Oh well, it was worth a try.
But seriously, an original name in the league might do some good. Who
cares if they are called the Mighty Ducks as long as they play according
to the rules and draw a crowd. At least Disney is trying something new
with their team name.
Thanks,
Tom
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>Dallas Alamo, no? Oh well, it was worth a try.
The Alamo is in San Antonio.
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HIRO
> In article <1cJ27B...@pinetree.org> seb...@pinetree.org (Tom Greenberg) wr
> ites:
> >Dallas Alamo, no? Oh well, it was worth a try.
>
> The Alamo is in San Antonio.
What about the Dallas Transistors. Only other thing I could think of
of my birthplace is JFK.
"Boy I hate how my birthplace is always referred to as where JFK died.
It's more importantly the BIRTHPLACE OF THE TRANSISTOR!!!" - HIRO
Patrick L Humphrey
>
>>
>> IN the tradition of hte Great Lone St State, I say remane them
>> "The Texas Lone Stars".
>>
>
>Why? Come on, can't we think of anything original for the new team to be
>called. How about the Dallas Sam Houston's, or maybe the Dallas Landry's
>in honour of their great football coach. Better yet, how about the
>Dallas Alamo, no? Oh well, it was worth a try.
It was worth a better try than you managed, evidently -- last time I looked,
Dallas didn't exist until quite a bit after Sam Houston had earned his place
in the history books (could be that's why the city I've lived in these past
28 years bears his name), Tom Landry has reconciled his differences with
the Pokes (naming a hockey team after a football coach? maybe that makes sense
in Ottawa, but it'd be laughed at loudly down here), and the Alamo is still
in San Antonio where it's been for the past 200 years or so. Texas Lone Stars
would be an even better designation, of course, but you might as well face it:
this is the Lone Star State. Why should you worry about it, anyway, if you're
from that far outside Texas?
>But seriously, an original name in the league might do some good. Who
>cares if they are called the Mighty Ducks as long as they play according
>to the rules and draw a crowd. At least Disney is trying something new
>with their team name.
Naming it after a stupid movie and using it to plug all the other Disney
dreck is something new? Maybe for the NHL it is, but this is just business
as usual for the Disney empire...
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>of my birthplace is JFK.
>
>"Boy I hate how my birthplace is always referred to as where JFK died.
>It's more importantly the BIRTHPLACE OF THE TRANSISTOR!!!" - HIRO
Huh? I always thought that Bell Labs in Murray Hill, New Jersey, was
the birthplace of the transistor. I've spent some summers there, and
they seem very proud of that invention. On the other hand, I believe
that the INTEGRATED CIRCUIT was invented at Texas Instruments, which
might very well be in Dallas.
-Steve