Quebec moves to Denver
Andre J Brown
that the Quebec Nordiques are moving to Denver, CO.
A news-conference is scheduled for later in the day.
Andre Brown
Habs win #25 in '96
Linley Wartenberg
> Here in Canada, TSN and the CBC have reported
> that the Quebec Nordiques are moving to Denver, CO.
> A news-conference is scheduled for later in the day.
>
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Linley Wartenberg
lin...@freenet.fsu.edu
Go Blues, Tigersharks, Seminoles, Predators & Braves!
Christopher Taylor
: Andre J Brown (abr...@dirac.Phys.UAlberta.CA) writes:
: > Here in Canada, TSN and the CBC have reported
: > that the Quebec Nordiques are moving to Denver, CO.
: > A news-conference is scheduled for later in the day.
: >
: what will this do to the IHL denver grizzlies?
Probably not a whole lot. Detroit and Chicago both support IHL and NHL
franchises rather comfortably. Maybe it will be good for hockey fans in
Denver as the two will compete for fans, meaning they'll have good ticket
deals and such.
Steve (mili...@student.msu.edu)
Karim Mawji
>
>Andre J Brown (abr...@dirac.Phys.UAlberta.CA) writes:
>> Here in Canada, TSN and the CBC have reported
>> that the Quebec Nordiques are moving to Denver, CO.
>> A news-conference is scheduled for later in the day.
>>
>what will this do to the IHL denver grizzlies?
I heard that an NHL team will get preference in Denver. Hence the
nordiques will be playing in mcnicolls arena, but the grizzlies will
have to find a new rink to play in.
The NHL wanted this deal to happen since
a)the fan base created by the grizzlies will change alligence to the
nords.
b)it reduces the threat of the ihl
Jonathan C. Enslin
>From: cta...@nslsilus.org (Christopher Taylor)
>Subject: Re: Quebec moves to Denver
>Date: 25 May 1995 12:21:34 -0500
>Linley Wartenberg (az...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>: Andre J Brown (abr...@dirac.Phys.UAlberta.CA) writes:
>: > Here in Canada, TSN and the CBC have reported
>: > that the Quebec Nordiques are moving to Denver, CO.
>: > A news-conference is scheduled for later in the day.
>: >
>: what will this do to the IHL denver grizzlies?
>
>franchises rather comfortably. Maybe it will be good for hockey fans in
>Denver as the two will compete for fans, meaning they'll have good ticket
>deals and such.
In Detroit and Chicago they don't have to share an arena like they would in
Denver. They'll move.
Jon
CUR...@qucdn.queensu.ca
The new owners of the Nordiques also own the Denver NBA team.
A new arena is being built by the owners therefore the IHL
team, if it stays in Denver, would not be sharing an arena
with an NHL team for too long. I think that there are two
more important factors to consider in forecasting the successes
of the IHL and the NHL teams in Denver: ticket prices and
team success. Will Denver hockey fans be willing to pay
3 or 4 times as much to see a hockey game (assuming IHL
fans are the potenial market for the late lamented Nordiques)?
Will the arrival of an established, first-rate NHL franchise
(instead of yet another crappy expansion team) maul the IHL
Grizzlies at the box office?
Will anybody outside of Denver or the corporate lawyers at
NHL headquarters care?
Andrew Currie
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario Canada
--More and more a hockey fan.--
-- Less and less a NHL fan. --
'Mad' Mark Chelap
<CUR...@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> wrote:
>>
>>In Detroit and Chicago they don't have to share an arena like they would in
>>Denver. They'll move.
>
>The new owners of the Nordiques also own the Denver NBA team.
>A new arena is being built by the owners therefore the IHL
>team, if it stays in Denver, would not be sharing an arena
>with an NHL team for too long. I think that there are two
If the Grizzlies last, they would like to be the primary tenant at McNichols
Arena after the Nuggets/Nords move to the Pepsi Center for the 1997-98 season.
In the meantime, if they stay; they would end up low on the McNichols priority
list (behind the Nuggets, Nords, and concerts). Eliminate the 4,700 seat
Denver University Ice Arena, so the only other place to play is the 8,000 seat
Denver Coliseum, which is a very old building despite it having a new floor/
icemaking equipment put in within the last 10 years; but its not a bad place
at all to watch a game, I saw many games of the old Spurs in the early '70s and
the IHL Rangers around '86-87 there. The problem it does have are that its
in a seedy area, not too far from some real lousy neighborhoods, and families
might think twice about going there to a game at night. The other thing is
that it smells bad around there; the stockyards are just across the street
(the place is home to the National Western Stock Show). The Grizzlies never
considered playing there when the franchise was awarded and those were a
couple of the reasons why.
>Will the arrival of an established, first-rate NHL franchise
>(instead of yet another crappy expansion team) maul the IHL
>Grizzlies at the box office?
I think it eventually will. Grizzlies co-owner Dave Elmore thinks the
Grizzlies can succeed with an NHL team here; but I doubt it. I think they may
try it for a year at either McNichols (which might get torn down anyway
after the Pepsi Center is complete) or the Coliseum. Since Elmore also owns
the Colorado Springs Sky Sox baseball team, and that city is going to get a
new 10,000 seat city arena completed for next season, I give a fair shot to the
Grizzlies moving to the Springs for 1996-97.
--
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|mch...@nyx10.cs.du.edu | 1993 Western Wasted Conference Champions |
|_University of Nebraska Cornhuskers--1994 NCAA Football National Champions__|
Skeez
>Here in Canada, TSN and the CBC have reported
>that the Quebec Nordiques are moving to Denver, CO.
>A news-conference is scheduled for later in the day.
;;;Sigh::::
And so it begins............
:-(
Skeez
Jonathan C. Enslin
>From: mch...@nyx10.cs.du.edu ('Mad' Mark Chelap)
>Subject: Re: Quebec moves to Denver
But what about the first year? Will the Grizzlies be able to survive just
one year? Colorado Springs? Would the IHL owners approve such a move?
Jon
Jonathan C. Enslin
Chicago and Detroit are much bigger metropolitan areas whose teams play in
much different areas. The Wolves play at the Horizon in suburban Rosemont,
the Hawks play at the United Center close to downtown. The Vipers play WAY
out in Auburn Hills, but the Wings play at Joe Louis in the city.
Suburbanites don't have to trek into the city to play professional hockey.
I don't think Denver is that big to take advantage of that. Won't Mc
Nichols and this Pepsi Center (what a name) be rather close to each other?
Jon
Don Savard
: The new owners of the Nordiques also own the Denver NBA team.
: A new arena is being built by the owners therefore the IHL
: team, if it stays in Denver, would not be sharing an arena
: with an NHL team for too long. I think that there are two
: more important factors to consider in forecasting the successes
: of the IHL and the NHL teams in Denver: ticket prices and
: team success. Will Denver hockey fans be willing to pay
: 3 or 4 times as much to see a hockey game (assuming IHL
: fans are the potenial market for the late lamented Nordiques)?
: Will the arrival of an established, first-rate NHL franchise
: (instead of yet another crappy expansion team) maul the IHL
: Grizzlies at the box office?
: Will anybody outside of Denver or the corporate lawyers at
: NHL headquarters care?
: Andrew Currie
: Queen's University
: Kingston, Ontario Canada
: --More and more a hockey fan.--
: -- Less and less a NHL fan. --
Possibly Andrew, the latest reports here have over 4000 people putting
down deposits on season tickets, and the season ticket holders of the NBA
Nuggets, and IHL Grizzlies have until mid June to reserve seats.
Looks like the "Colorado Cutthroats" may be a big hit! (Cutthroats as in trout)
I think a lot of people will still go to Grizzlies games, since COMSAT is telling
people that the average NHL ticket price is around $34.00 (US) and I heard the
Grizzlies are around $10.00 or $11.00.
Don
'Mad' Mark Chelap
Jonathan C. Enslin <deve...@amber.indstate.edu> wrote:
>
>But what about the first year? Will the Grizzlies be able to survive just
>one year? Colorado Springs? Would the IHL owners approve such a move?
Thats the thing, Jon. That very thing came up for the first time in the paper
this morning. The Grizzlies have contacted the city about the use of the
Denver Coliseum. The problem they will encounter is that the place is booked
for 6 weeks in the late January-early March timeframe by the stock show and
other event, probably the auto show etc. The team would have to either play
road games for that time or use McNichols (at lowest priority), or DU (small
capacity plus DU would retain top priority and college hockey plays mostly
on Friday/Saturday nights, and the building is a 50-year old relocated
airplane hangar). The new 7,000 seat DU arena won't be built for two years
either. Right now, its pure speculation on what the Grizzlies do. They are
saying nothing much and concentrating on winning the Turner Cup (and lead in
the championship series against Kansas City 3 games to 0).
With a new arena in the Springs next year, I don't see why it couldn't be
approved, particularly if Elmore (and co-owner Donna Tuttle) retain ownership.
Colorado Springs has grown tremendously over the years; I was amazed to see
the place when I was doing deliveries from Denver to there last year. Not
having the info handy, but the IHL has other smaller cities like Peoria, Fort
Wayne, and Kalamazoo (and has so for a while, particularly Fort Wayne). I
would venture a guess that the Springs (approx. 200-250,000) is comparable
with the sizes of those other three. There are lots of businesses down there
that could provide a source of advertising/sponsorship/ticket purchases.
Again, a move to the Springs isn't etched in stone, and Salt Lake might be
viable too.
'Mad' Mark Chelap
Jonathan C. Enslin <deve...@amber.indstate.edu> wrote:
>
>much different areas. The Wolves play at the Horizon in suburban Rosemont,
>the Hawks play at the United Center close to downtown. The Vipers play WAY
>out in Auburn Hills, but the Wings play at Joe Louis in the city.
>Suburbanites don't have to trek into the city to play professional hockey.
>
>I don't think Denver is that big to take advantage of that. Won't Mc
>Nichols and this Pepsi Center (what a name) be rather close to each other?
Yeah, I'm originally from Chicago and know the distance factor from the UC
to the Horizon. I've never been to Detroit but I've heard the distance to
Auburn Hills is 30-40 miles. The Pepsi Center will be located 1.0-1.5 miles
east of McNichols. FWIW, the Coliseum (if the Grizzlies do go there) is about
3 miles north and 1 mile east of McNichols. The metro area is 2.0-2.5 million
people (going on memory), far and away the smallest of the 10 U.S. cities with
all four major professional sports.
I hate the corporate sponsorship/ads etc. but its here to stay. "Pepsi Center"
does sound worse, IMO, than "United Center" or "America West Arena" or "Great
Western Forum", but better than "USAir Arena". They got a bunch of money from
Pepsi obviously for the naming rights and a deal that *any* event/team that
uses the building must serve Pepsi products/advertise for them only, or they
won't be allowed to use the arena. Denver is one of the few markets in the
States that Pepsi is beating Coke in sales/market share, and beating them
worse than any other market they are leading in. Plus, they have had a
longstanding relationship with the Nuggets, even before the team was owned
by COMSAT.
Scott Swartzell
Springs next year....we have a new ice facility with 2 sheets
of ice, and little/no seating. There is talk of building a
true arena at the same site, but as far as I know, they haven't
even broken ground yet. They may not have even finalized the
design yet. Colorado College played last years home games at
the Air Force Academy, and will do the same this coming year