ESA TIKKANEN rules!
Gary Kenneth Wilson
I know seems to hate the guy. I think he's incredible.
-Gary
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Lane Rathgeber
>Just curious to see if there are any other Esa fans out there. Everyone
>I know seems to hate the guy. I think he's incredible.
What's so incredible about him? All he does is skate around, giving
cheapshots and yapping at the other team's players in Finnish. The
officials let him get away with *way* too much. I don't think it takes
any particular skill to be an a**hole on skates.
There was a time when he was productive offensively. Then, Glen Sather
gave him a contract worth $1 million, and "The Grate One" immediately
proceeded to go into the tank, from which he did not emerge even after
being traded to the Rangers late last year.
It's amazing that after all these years, no one has yet cleaned his
clock.
Lane Rathgeber
rath...@sask.usask.ca
jta...@huey.csun.edu
>From: Gary Kenneth Wilson <gw...@andrew.cmu.edu>
>Subject: ESA TIKKANEN rules!
>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 15:04:09 -0400
>-Gary
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As a Kings fan I have hated Esa for years. I also hate McTavish. The
reason that I hate them is, as Oilers, they consistently helped shut down
the Kings. Both Esa and McTavish are excellent hockey players. Esa was the
difference in the third period last night. He excelled both offensively and
defensively. He sparked the Rangers. I would love to have him on the Kings.
The Rangers won the Stanley cup when they acquired Esa and McTavish to
accompany Messier and Leetch.
Matti Petteri Lappalainen
>In a previous article, Gary Kenneth Wilson <gw...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>>Just curious to see if there are any other Esa fans out there. Everyone
>>I know seems to hate the guy. I think he's incredible.
> What's so incredible about him? All he does is skate around, giving
>cheapshots and yapping at the other team's players in Finnish. The
>officials let him get away with *way* too much. I don't think it takes
>any particular skill to be an a**hole on skates.
so what's so a*sholish about making room for others to score, scoring
once in a while himself and doing a great defensive job?
Maybe that sounds like an a**hole to you.
And what difference does it make if he speaks finnish? nobody undertands
him then anyway. Oh yes, maybe he has learned english in all these years
that he has been in northern america.
>Lane Rathgeber
>rath...@sask.usask.ca
Pete
--
Petteri Lappalainen * plap...@cc.helsinki.fi
University of Helsinki * EARTH SUCKS!!
Dep. of Computer Science * it's called gravity
Charles L. L. Dalmas
The Rangers have a few of them...Tikkanen, Graves, Kocur...
Tikkanen and Graves are talented scorers, and Kocur is a hard-working
grinder who isn't afraid of anyone...
Anyway, that's neither here nor there...In Esa's defense
He had TEN shots in Game 3...By comparison, Bure had like 3. Remember his
heads up play against the Capitals, jumping off the bench and scoring on a
delayed penalty call? No, I guess you don't remember.
Esa is tough, and I will admit, he is an instigator, but he rarely takes a
retaliation penalty, and if the opposing players cannot take a little heat,
then they should go back to grade school and grow up.
Esa works, forechecks better than anyone else in the league (maybe), and
can score. he has 55 playoff goals to his credit, remember, and few can
outmaneuver him on the ice. He has held Bure in check, and has rifled shot
after shot at Kirk McLean, who has been brilliant, as well as lucky, in
stopping most of them...Tikkanen has most of the Rangers' "post shots"
himself...
you can hate him or you can love him...All of you who hate him, you would
drool on national TV to have him on YOUR favorite team...now wouldn't you?
C.
SUNY Potsdam...
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy...
We must be cautious...
Gary Kenneth Wilson
actually watching the game and not just listening to ESPN's meaningless
stats to find out who the best players. And I might note that most of
the people praising Esa hate the man. It's not many players you'll see
that in. Without Tiks, the Rangers still would have won the Pres.
Trophy. There's little doubt in that. However, without him in the
playoffs they might not have taken Washington and certainly would have
been sent home by NJ.
mso...@cc.helsinki.fi
> In <8JUN94....@skyfox.usask.ca> rath...@skyfox.usask.ca
>(Lane Rathgeber) writes:
>
>>In a previous article, Gary Kenneth Wilson <gw...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>>>Just curious to see if there are any other Esa fans out there. Everyone
>>>I know seems to hate the guy. I think he's incredible.
>
>> What's so incredible about him? All he does is skate around, giving
>>cheapshots and yapping at the other team's players in Finnish. The
>>officials let him get away with *way* too much. I don't think it takes
>>any particular skill to be an a**hole on skates.
>
> so what's so a*sholish about making room for others to score, scoring
> once in a while himself and doing a great defensive job?
> Maybe that sounds like an a**hole to you.
>
> And what difference does it make if he speaks finnish? nobody undertands
> him then anyway. Oh yes, maybe he has learned english in all these years
> that he has been in northern america.
You are right, but he still is an A**HOLE
>
>>Lane Rathgeber
>>rath...@sask.usask.ca
>
> Pete
>
> --
> Petteri Lappalainen * plap...@cc.helsinki.fi
> University of Helsinki * EARTH SUCKS!!
> Dep. of Computer Science * it's called gravity
>
Antti
Alain DAGHER
: Well, Esa is what was commonly known as an Enforcer...
Esa Chickenshit an Enforcer??? That's the first time I hear that one.
I don't think the guy has ever dropped the gloves. He usually just
yaps at the other players (standing safely behind one, preferably two,
linesmen).
Actually, Esa is a Finnish Kenny Linseman.
--
Best wishes,
Alain Dagher
Joel Berger
mso...@cc.helsinki.fi writes regarding Esa Tikkenen:
Ms> You are right, but he still is an A**HOLE
Yes, but speaking as a Ranger fan, he is OUR asshole!
jhb
... It's as bad as you think and they are out to get you.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Jack
Rules what? The gay kingdom? The guy blows kisses at men on the ice. What
the hell does he do in the locker room? I hope the rangers keep him for 20
years, they deserve him.
later, jack
No sig is good sig
Davelf
afa...@denitqm.mnet.uswest.com (Jack) writes:
<<Rules what? The gay kingdom? The guy blows kisses at men on the
ice. What
the hell does he do in the locker room? I hope the rangers keep him
for 20
years, they deserve him.>>
I hope you don't consider yourself a hockey player. Because if you
did, you'd know that in hockey, something like that is done to piss
another player off. And you'd know that most hockey players are a
bunch of jokers. And you'd also know that in professional sports
(basketball probably does this one this most) players pat another
player on the butt.
But you wouldn't know those things -- because you couldn't be a
hockey player.
:-D
-David
Michael Rothbaum (SAR)
: In article <1.55409.15...@execnet.com>, joel....@execnet.com
Well, well, well Jack -- this kissing thing seems to have made us a bit
uncomfortable, hmm? Are we a little threatened by the whole thing? Do
we secretly want to be the U.S. ambassador to "the Gay Kingdom"? Jack?
Still there, sweety?
You are a very silly person, Jack. Don't ask, don't tell (I promise not
to tell your Mom about this). Anyway, I'll take an entire team of homosexuals
if they all play as gutsy as does Tikkanen.
: later, jack
Jack
The issue is not homosexuality mike. The issue is what the hell does
tikkanen rule? I was being somewhat facitious (sp?) but still blowing
kisses on the ice is not your average occurrence. Is tikkanen gay? I don't
know and i don't really care. Still, blowing kisses is weird, whether it's
considered cute or a statement of his sexuality means nothing to me.
Tikkanen is still a fuking asshole and you can take that literally if you
want.
And save the patronizing "I'm an adult and you're not" bullshit for your
mom.
peter h storm
read another thread!
Davelf
afa...@denitqm.mnet.uswest.com (Jack) writes:
<<The issue is not homosexuality mike. The issue is what the hell
does
tikkanen rule? I was being somewhat facitious (sp?) but still blowing
kisses on the ice is not your average occurrence. Is tikkanen gay? I
don't
know and i don't really care. Still, blowing kisses is weird, whether
it's
considered cute or a statement of his sexuality means nothing to me.
Tikkanen is still a fuking asshole and you can take that literally if
you
want.>>
He does it because it pisses people off. (Namely the people he's
doing it at.)
-David
Neil Hornsey
tried to kiss them? It probably would have gotten them only a roughing
penalty anyway.
Neil Hornsey
Jussi Keinonen
>> : Rules what? The gay kingdom? The guy blows kisses at men on the ice.
>> Well, well, well Jack -- this kissing thing seems to have made us a bit
>> uncomfortable, hmm? Are we a little threatened by the whole thing? Do
>tikkanen rule? I was being somewhat facitious (sp?) but still blowing
>kisses on the ice is not your average occurrence. Is tikkanen gay? I don't
>know and i don't really care. Still, blowing kisses is weird, whether it's
As a Finn, but no Tikkanen fan, I'll have to respond. Firstly, he's not
gay - he's married and has two or three daughters and a pretty (and I
don't mean something-nordic :) Swedish wife. Besides, the way he PLAYS
(apart from the sideshow) doesn't indicate any un-heterosexual habits.
Although I'm not sure what they'd be :)
Secondly - if someone just WATCHING the game gets mixed up like this,
it MUST have some effect on the opposing team on the ice. So I guess
it works.
He may not be an asshole, but he is a jerk. And a winning team needs
guys like that.
And not just for the "enemy". I'm sure that at least half of the Rangers
hate him too - and THIS IS THE VITAL PART. A winning team needs some
TENSION, something to keep them awake and half-aggressive, even during
practising.
So although some of his teammates might dissapprove of him, they know
that he will hurt the opposing team even more. And even if they don't,
they'll want to show him during the practice - and thus keep up the
fighting spirit.
Michael Rothbaum (SAR)
: In article <2u8nav$8...@mother.usf.edu>, roth...@virtu.sar.usf.edu (Michael
I'll take you're word for it that you didn't intend the issue to be
homosexuality. However, the content of your post seem to equate Tikkanan
being a homosexual with him being an asshole that "[the Rangers] deserve" to
have on their team for 20 years. When you ask "This guy blows kisses to men
on the ice. What the hell does he do in the locker room?" you have to admit
it appears that Tikkanen's assumed sexual preference is something that
you DO care about, something that bothers you -- something that should be
grounds to knock the guy. If that was your intention, I disagree. If it
wasn't, please consider the implications of your statements next time you
post something.
What does Tikkanen rule? Nothing, I guess . . . Granted, the
phrase "So-and-so rules" is pretty dumb (makes me think of surfers), but
the fact remains that Tikkanen was an animal on the boards (with Nemchinov)
digging away, giving his heart on every loose puck. I think he was a big
reason the Rangers beat the Devils. His tenacity threw them off their game,
distracted them, frustrated them; I think the blown kisses were part of that.
If you've just been pounding away for a loose puck with a guy (especially
if you think you've gotten sime good hits on him, and you're really fired up)
and suddenly he blows a kiss at you, it can get to you emotionally. It makes
me think of Bill Laimbeer (another guy
me think of Bill Laimbeer (another guy a lot of people hate); he would
clutch and bump and grab his opponent for a whole game, yapping away the
whole time. On a bunch of occaisions, you could see the other team become
visibly frustrated, yelling back at him, the ref, etc. At that point, you
knew the game was over -- Laimbeer had won the battle.
Same deal with Tikkanen. Clutch, grab, dig . . . the other guy
is fuming and suddenly -- a kiss. Throws em off their game completely.
Anyways, sorry for being patronizing. I just know a lot of
gay folks, and I'm pissed off that you have to take so much shit just
for the way your hormones work. Folks don't deserve to be screwed with for
their sexual preference any more than they do for religion, race, etc.
Enough sermon -- let's continue with hockey, praising the ***1994 Stanley
Cup Champion New York Rangers***
: jack
Davelf
(Michael Rothbaum (SAR)) writes:
<<Folks don't deserve to be screwed with for
their sexual preference any more than they do for religion, race,
etc. >>
So...I could make fun of them for their sexual preference, just as
long as I do it in equal portions with the religion and race bashing?
:-D
-David
Jack
Rothbaum (SAR)) wrote:
>
>
> I'll take you're word for it that you didn't intend the issue to be
> homosexuality. However, the content of your post seem to equate Tikkanan
> being a homosexual with him being an asshole that "[the Rangers] deserve" to
> have on their team for 20 years. When you ask "This guy blows kisses to men
> on the ice. What the hell does he do in the locker room?" you have to admit
> it appears that Tikkanen's assumed sexual preference is something that
> you DO care about, something that bothers you -- something that should be
> grounds to knock the guy. If that was your intention, I disagree. If it
> wasn't, please consider the implications of your statements next time you
> post something.
Well mike this has turned into a non-hockey issue which is not what this
news group is about. For the record let me say that I am not a homophobe
(many of the people in my office are gay and my boss is gay as well!!), but
blowing kisses on the ice has only one intent: to incite a player to anger.
It is not a friendly "oh how are you doing" type of thing. It's meant to
piss off the kissee. I think my bit about the locker room was half
facitious and half query and someone from finland seemed to agree with me
that tikkanen is considered a jerk by the rangers players. I heard the
oilers did not think highly of him either.
Anyway it was a bit of sledgehammer humor perhaps and I apologize if I
offended anyone.
)
> and suddenly he blows a kiss at you, it can get to you emotionally. It makes
> me think of Bill Laimbeer (another guy
> me think of Bill Laimbeer (another guy a lot of people hate); he would
Who's bill laimbeer?
> clutch and bump and grab his opponent for a whole game, yapping away the
> whole time. On a bunch of occaisions, you could see the other team become
> visibly frustrated, yelling back at him, the ref, etc. At that point, you
> knew the game was over -- Laimbeer had won the battle.
> Same deal with Tikkanen. Clutch, grab, dig . . . the other guy
> is fuming and suddenly -- a kiss. Throws em off their game completely.
> Anyways, sorry for being patronizing. I just know a lot of
> gay folks, and I'm pissed off that you have to take so much shit just
> for the way your hormones work. Folks don't deserve to be screwed with for
> their sexual preference any more than they do for religion, race, etc.
I agree.
> Enough sermon -- let's continue with hockey, praising the ***1994 Stanley
> Cup Champion New York Rangers***
I doubly agree.
Gary Kenneth Wilson
anyone out there who can honestly say they wouldn't like to have them on
their favorite team? I doubt it.
Sam Gaylord
TV stations would care to broadcast the conversations. But... It seems
to me that blowing a kiss would be a great reply to some one who just
told you to kiss their a**. Especialy if you're an instigator like Esa.
samg