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Eric Rickin

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Nov 16, 1991, 6:56:46 PM11/16/91
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What is the official name for the Hartford goal song? That is the
coolest goal song.. (-:

Anyway, question: WHat year was the helmet waiver "installed," and are
the Helmetless 5 left the only people left who signed the waiver? I
thought, for some reason, Gretzky signed the waiver. Also, is the same
true fofr the refs? (Do the old timer refs have to wear helmets?)
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John P. Curcio

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Nov 18, 1991, 9:44:18 AM11/18/91
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>What is the official name for the Hartford goal song? That is the
>coolest goal song.. (-:

I assume that you are talking about the 70's-ish song that sounds like
it came from "Let's Make a Deal" or something.... I wish I knew the
name...

>Anyway, question: WHat year was the helmet waiver "installed," and are
>the Helmetless 5 left the only people left who signed the waiver? I
>thought, for some reason, Gretzky signed the waiver. Also, is the same
>true fofr the refs? (Do the old timer refs have to wear helmets?)

I believe that it was 1979 that it was instituted. Sam & JD were just
talking about this in the Rangers-Capitals game last week, but they
didn't mention anything about the refs and linesmen. I don't believe
that Gretzky signed the waiver (how could he?), and couldn't see why he
could, even if he could.

-JPC

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David Chi-Chung Lu

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Nov 19, 1991, 12:24:46 AM11/19/91
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In article <1991Nov18.1...@philabs.philips.com> j...@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
>In article <1991Nov16.2...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>
>>Anyway, question: WHat year was the helmet waiver "installed," and are
>>the Helmetless 5 left the only people left who signed the waiver? I
>>thought, for some reason, Gretzky signed the waiver. Also, is the same
>>true fofr the refs? (Do the old timer refs have to wear helmets?)
>
>I believe that it was 1979 that it was instituted. Sam & JD were just
>talking about this in the Rangers-Capitals game last week, but they
>didn't mention anything about the refs and linesmen. I don't believe
>that Gretzky signed the waiver (how could he?), and couldn't see why he
>could, even if he could.

I think the Helmetless 5 are the only ones who were given the CHOICE of signing
the waiver. Nobody else is/was given the choice. As for refs, they are
supposed to wear helmets for their own safety, but only one of them does.
Can't remember which one. However, a few linesmen do wear helmets.

Along this subject, just who ARE the Helmetless 5? Rod Langway is one.
(He should start, not because of safety, but because he is losing A LOT of
hair!)


Dave Lu

Gangster

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Nov 19, 1991, 12:48:16 AM11/19/91
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da...@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu) writes:

>Along this subject, just who ARE the Helmetless 5? Rod Langway is one.
>(He should start, not because of safety, but because he is losing A LOT of
>hair!)

Well, Doug Wilson, Al Secord (if he's still playing) are two that come
to mind, I'm sure there are more obvious ones that I just cannot think
of at this time...

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Eric Rickin

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Nov 19, 1991, 7:20:19 AM11/19/91
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In a previous article, j...@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) says:

>>Anyway, question: WHat year was the helmet waiver "installed," and are
>>the Helmetless 5 left the only people left who signed the waiver? I
>>thought, for some reason, Gretzky signed the waiver. Also, is the same
>>true fofr the refs? (Do the old timer refs have to wear helmets?)
>

>I believe that it was 1979 that it was instituted. Sam & JD were just
>talking about this in the Rangers-Capitals game last week, but they
>didn't mention anything about the refs and linesmen. I don't believe
>that Gretzky signed the waiver (how could he?), and couldn't see why he
>could, even if he could.

Is turnover so great in the NHL that only 5 people are left who can wear
helmets or not? Geez. I assume, too, that goalies weren't able to sign
the waiver?

Eric Rickin

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Nov 19, 1991, 7:28:01 AM11/19/91
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In a previous article, da...@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu) says:

>I think the Helmetless 5 are the only ones who were given the CHOICE of signing
>the waiver. Nobody else is/was given the choice. As for refs, they are
>supposed to wear helmets for their own safety, but only one of them does.
>Can't remember which one. However, a few linesmen do wear helmets.
>
>Along this subject, just who ARE the Helmetless 5? Rod Langway is one.
>(He should start, not because of safety, but because he is losing A LOT of
>hair!)

How does that work where people were given the choice? How did you
qualify? Anyway, they are: Brad Marsh, Rod Langway, Doug Wilson, Randy
Carlyle, and ? (forgot who the 5th was). Carlyle is having a crappy
year.
>
>
>Dave Lu

Daryl Turner

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Nov 19, 1991, 11:56:12 AM11/19/91
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In article <1991Nov19.1...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>
>How does that work where people were given the choice? How did you
>qualify? Anyway, they are: Brad Marsh, Rod Langway, Doug Wilson, Randy
>Carlyle, and ? (forgot who the 5th was). Carlyle is having a crappy
>year.

How you qualify is being in the league before the mandatory helmet rule
came into effect, in 79-80. Anyone entering the league from 79 on, is
required to wear a helmet.

Carlyle isn't having a crappy year. He's not playing as often, and I
hope that this is his last year, but when he's been called on, he's done
the job.

Another Jets tidbit...Bob Essensa has been named player of the week. In
4 games, he went 3-1, allowing only 5 goals.

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Nov 19, 1991, 9:23:46 AM11/19/91
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>In a previous article, da...@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu) says:
>
>>I think the Helmetless 5 are the only ones who were given the CHOICE of
signing
>>the waiver. Nobody else is/was given the choice. As for refs, they are
>>supposed to wear helmets for their own safety, but only one of them does.
>>Can't remember which one. However, a few linesmen do wear helmets.
>> ^^^
Andy Van Hellemond wears a helmet, and I thought that there was at least one
other.

>>Along this subject, just who ARE the Helmetless 5? Rod Langway is one.
>>(He should start, not because of safety, but because he is losing A LOT of
>>hair!)
>
>How does that work where people were given the choice? How did you
>qualify? Anyway, they are: Brad Marsh, Rod Langway, Doug Wilson, Randy
>Carlyle, and ? (forgot who the 5th was). Carlyle is having a crappy
>year.
>>

Players who were in the league before 1979 (or 1980 I'm not sure which) are
allowed to choose whether or not they want to wear a helmet. Players who
entered the league after that, are required to wear a helmet.

ROBERT HILL

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Nov 19, 1991, 12:28:05 PM11/19/91
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In article <1991Nov19.1...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
ab...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes...

>
>In a previous article, da...@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu) says:
>
>>I think the Helmetless 5 are the only ones who were given the CHOICE of
>>signing
>>the waiver. Nobody else is/was given the choice. As for refs, they are
>>supposed to wear helmets for their own safety, but only one of them does.
>>Can't remember which one. However, a few linesmen do wear helmets.
>>
>>Along this subject, just who ARE the Helmetless 5? Rod Langway is one.
>>(He should start, not because of safety, but because he is losing A LOT of
>>hair!)
>
>How does that work where people were given the choice? How did you
>qualify?

When the rule was instituted, players who were already in the
league were given the option of not wearing a helmut if they
didn't want to. So, to answer your question, the only players
who are allowed not to wear a helmut are those who started playing
in the NHL before the rule was adopted. There are nore than five
such players, but the other have decided to wear helmuts (eg.
Larry Robinson).

>Anyway, they are: Brad Marsh, Rod Langway, Doug Wilson, Randy
>Carlyle, and ? (forgot who the 5th was). Carlyle is having a crappy
>year.

The 5th is Craig MacTavish.

Bob

Michael C. Zody

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Nov 19, 1991, 12:42:33 PM11/19/91
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In article <1991Nov19.0...@eng.umd.edu> da...@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu) writes:

>Along this subject, just who ARE the Helmetless 5? Rod Langway is one.
>(He should start, not because of safety, but because he is losing A LOT of
>hair!)
>
>
>Dave Lu

Well, as of a couple of years ago there were 8 players left who had the option
to wear or not wear helmets. Guy LaFleur was one, so there's no more than 7
now, and I think one of the others has retired. At that time 3 of them were
playing for the same team, but I cannot remember if it was Chicago or Los
Angeles. Right now I know the list includes Craig MacTavish (if you've been
reading this thread, I am only listed previously unlisted names). I believe it
also includes Larry Robinson. I want to say Marty McSorley is on it, too,
although I know he wears one now, at least.

At the time I heard about this, one of the players who had the option chose to
wear a helmet at least part of the time (I do not know on what basis he made
his decision).

Michael Zody

Bill Clare

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Nov 19, 1991, 12:38:51 PM11/19/91
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Don Koharski wears a helmet in addition to Van Hellemond.
Kerry Fraser doesn't need a helmet because of all the hair
spray.
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Randy Coulman

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Nov 19, 1991, 2:32:47 PM11/19/91
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There was also: Dave Semenko, Harold Snepts and Guy Lafleur, so there was
definitely more than five. There is probably only 5 left in the league
right now.

Lafleur is an interesting case. He qualified under the rule (in the league
before '79 or '80, whichever it was). He then retired. When he came back
from retirement, they had to determine if he was still eligible. If I
remember right, he was.

Randy

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John Leatherdale

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Nov 19, 1991, 4:24:48 PM11/19/91
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I believe that MacTavish is one of them.....
-John
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John Leatherdale

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Nov 19, 1991, 4:35:44 PM11/19/91
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In article <1991Nov19.1...@ccu.umanitoba.ca> uut...@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
>In article <1991Nov19.1...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>>
>>How does that work where people were given the choice? How did you
>>qualify? Anyway, they are: Brad Marsh, Rod Langway, Doug Wilson, Randy
>>Carlyle, and ? (forgot who the 5th was). Carlyle is having a crappy
>>year.
>
>How you qualify is being in the league before the mandatory helmet rule
>came into effect, in 79-80. Anyone entering the league from 79 on, is
>required to wear a helmet.
>===============================================================
>Daryl Turner For info on the Winnipeg Jets contact
>Internet: uut...@ccu.umanitoba.ca BITNET: #TUR...@UOFMCC.BITNET
>FidoNet: 1:348/704 (route through 1:348/1, please)
>Barnes to Elynuik over to Romaniuk, he scores! The Jets win the Cup!!


Actually, if my memory serves me, the helmet rule was passed in the
mid-eighties, but the rule was that anyone in the league before the
79-80 season had the choice to wear the helmet or not..

Eric Rickin

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Nov 19, 1991, 6:06:40 PM11/19/91
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>such players, but the other have decided to wear helmuts (eg.
>Larry Robinson).
>

That is what I was asking too. Who, besides the 5 and Larry Robinson,
can choose?

Gordon McGonigal

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Nov 19, 1991, 5:59:09 PM11/19/91
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cl...@bissun.kodak.com (Bill Clare) writes:
>Don Koharski wears a helmet in addition to Van Hellemond.

Let's not forget Gregson, Morel, and Koharski.

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The Hepburn

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Nov 19, 1991, 5:45:47 PM11/19/91
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In article <1991Nov19.1...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ab...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
|>
|> Is turnover so great in the NHL that only 5 people are left who can wear
|> helmets or not? Geez. I assume, too, that goalies weren't able to sign
|> the waiver?
|> --
|>
I'm not sure if there was a waiver, per se, to be signed. When the rule
was put into effect in 1979, it was written such that those players who
were playing in the NHL prior to the rule being enforced had the option
of not wearing the helmet. Since then all but 5 players have either
taken up the helmet, or are no longer playing. It was 12 years ago that
the rule was established; what's the average length of an NHL career?
It's not hard to imagine that only 5 helmetless players are left.

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John P. Curcio

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Nov 19, 1991, 4:10:34 PM11/19/91
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>da...@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu) writes:
>
>>Along this subject, just who ARE the Helmetless 5? Rod Langway is one.
>>(He should start, not because of safety, but because he is losing A LOT of
>>hair!)
>
>Well, Doug Wilson, Al Secord (if he's still playing) are two that come
>to mind, I'm sure there are more obvious ones that I just cannot think
>of at this time...
>

I was able to name four, and found out the fifth. They are: Langway,
Wilson, Craig MacTavish, Brad Marsh, and the one I forgot, Randy
Carlyle.

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