Bob Cole and Harry Neale
Gerald Keith Mayo
Dick Irvin is worse, but there are two of them and only one Dick. They are em-
barassing themselves in front of the whole country.
For example, in game 6 they spent five minutes explaining that Tony
Granato decided to slide head first into Potvin on his own when the replay
showed he was pushed by a Leaf player. In previous games they raved about the
great saves of Potvin when he didn't even touch the puck. Right now, they are
accusing Kelly Hrudey of having a goalie stick 1/2" too long. Maybe they should
tell Pat Burns.
I think they should let two fans from somewhere in the nosebleed sec-
tion be the commentators. They would probably be less biased and might know
more about hockey. By the way, I am a Flyers fan and am completely unbiased
since they missed the playoffs yet again.
Darren King
a player would goe into game 7 of a conference final with an illegal
stick? Wake up guys.
darren.
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Michael Collingridge
>Good call, fellow flyers fan. Did Neale and Cole really think that
>a player would goe into game 7 of a conference final with an illegal
>stick? Wake up guys.
>
Not wanting to stick up for Neale and Cole, but if I remember correctly,
you are talking about Hrudey's goal stick, right? If so, then why not?
With a little more thought, it is not as absurd as you might first think.
If caught with an illegal stick, all Hrudey would get is a 2min penalty.
And, with the way the LA short-handed special teams played against the
Leafs' fizzled power-play you would have to agree it was worth the chance.
Let's hope Hrudey's stick isn't illegal, but that he has finally settled
down to some strong goal-tending, and this result will continue in the final
showdown.
MC
Frank P. DiGiuseppe
>Good call, fellow flyers fan. Did Neale and Cole really think that
>a player would goe into game 7 of a conference final with an illegal
>stick? Wake up guys.
Hey, I hate to burst your bubble... but this does happen. In fact it
used to be a common ploy (I don't know why they don't use it as much
anymore) for a coach to try to find something "illegal looking" on
the other team - too much curve on a stick, goalie pads too wide or too
high, stick blade to wide, etc. - and then use it to get a man advantage
when his team needed a goal at some crucial point in the series. It
was a gamble but usually the coach would try to "verify" his belief
somehow... so as to increase his chances of getting the penalty called
his way.
Frank
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Jeff Bird
>In article <C7wAA...@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> dar...@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (Darren King) writes:
>>Good call, fellow flyers fan. Did Neale and Cole really think that
>>a player would goe into game 7 of a conference final with an illegal
>>stick? Wake up guys.
>
>Hey, I hate to burst your bubble... but this does happen. In fact it
>used to be a common ploy (I don't know why they don't use it as much
>anymore) for a coach to try to find something "illegal looking" on
>the other team - too much curve on a stick, goalie pads too wide or too
>high, stick blade to wide, etc. - and then use it to get a man advantage
>when his team needed a goal at some crucial point in the series. It
You know,... you're right. I haven't seen that tried in *ages*. It
used to happen all the time in tight playoff games in the 70's but
I can't remember the last time I saw it. More often than not the equipment
was illegal and the other team strongly suspected it; it was a matter
of guts and timing as to when to ask for the measurement. The Soviets
(when there was a Soviet team) used to carry some wicked hooks, and would
often get caught.
Has anyone seen a call for a measurement this playoff year? This season??
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Keith Keller
> You know,... you're right. I haven't seen that tried in *ages*. It
> used to happen all the time in tight playoff games in the 70's but
> I can't remember the last time I saw it. More often than not the equipment
> was illegal and the other team strongly suspected it; it was a matter
> of guts and timing as to when to ask for the measurement. The Soviets
> (when there was a Soviet team) used to carry some wicked hooks, and would
> often get caught.
>
> Has anyone seen a call for a measurement this playoff year? This season??
Not this year, but I did see Roger Neilson try it about one or two seasons ago.
It didn't work, as the ref practically forced the guy's stick through the legal
space on the measuring tool. What the hell is that thing called, anyway? But
I think teams have all but forgotten about that rule, otherwise teams that were
really desperate for a goal would try it in order to generate a power play. Of
course you have to be fairly confident that the measurement you call for will
work, otherwise it's just not worth it. Maybe nobody has called for a
measurement because players are trying to obey the guidelines better in order
to avoid having that pulled on their club. I know that if I were a player I'd
make damn sure my equipment met the standards so I didn't look like a fool on
national TV for having a stick with too much curvature.
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Isaac Kim
>In article <1993Jun3.1...@valet.dreo.dnd.ca> bi...@edx.ed.dreo.dnd.ca (Jeff Bird) writes:
>> You know,... you're right. I haven't seen that tried in *ages*. It
>> used to happen all the time in tight playoff games in the 70's but
>> I can't remember the last time I saw it. More often than not the equipment
>> was illegal and the other team strongly suspected it; it was a matter
>> of guts and timing as to when to ask for the measurement. The Soviets
>> (when there was a Soviet team) used to carry some wicked hooks, and would
>> often get caught.
I think when ever the Soviets played against the NHL, they were allowed
to use there own super-curved sticks.
>> Has anyone seen a call for a measurement this playoff year? This season??
>
>Not this year, but I did see Roger Neilson try it about one or two seasons ago.
>It didn't work, as the ref practically forced the guy's stick through the legal
>space on the measuring tool. What the hell is that thing called, anyway? But
>I think teams have all but forgotten about that rule, otherwise teams that were
>really desperate for a goal would try it in order to generate a power play. Of
>course you have to be fairly confident that the measurement you call for will
>work, otherwise it's just not worth it.
Not only that, but if you call for a measurement and the other player's stick
is deemed legal, you get a delay of game penalty.
Isaac (k...@bull.ucsd.edu)
GO HABS (I never thought I would see the day when I would cheer for the
Canadiens)
stephen swann
>In article <1ujl8u$8...@Athena.McRCIM.McGill.EDU> f...@mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Frank P. DiGiuseppe) writes:
>>>Good call, fellow flyers fan. Did Neale and Cole really think that
>>>a player would goe into game 7 of a conference final with an illegal
>>>stick? Wake up guys.
>>
>>anymore) for a coach to try to find something "illegal looking" on
>>the other team - too much curve on a stick, goalie pads too wide or too
>>high, stick blade to wide, etc. - and then use it to get a man advantage
>>when his team needed a goal at some crucial point in the series. It
>
A-yup.
Marty McSorely, who has otherwise been a superb player and a great
asset to the Kings, just rammed his illegal hockey stick up their
collective bunghole.
Now we get to do the Overtime Thang, and find out if it's really going
to cost them the game. If it does, I assume -someone- from the Kings
organisation will collect that stick at the end of the game, and beat
him about the head with it.
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Jeff Bird
and winning one late in game 2. The resulting power play allowed them
to tie it up and they quickly won in overtime (*again*)
Neal Johnson
>
> Marty McSorely, who has otherwise been a superb player and a great
> asset to the Kings, just rammed his illegal hockey stick up their
> collective bunghole.
>
> Now we get to do the Overtime Thang, and find out if it's really going
> to cost them the game. If it does, I assume -someone- from the Kings
> organisation will collect that stick at the end of the game, and beat
> him about the head with it.
>
I think this is the worst way to win and lose a game.
The blame for this goes to rookie coach Melrose. He should not allow
an illegal stick to be used at any time. But when attempting to rest
on a 1 goal lead in the Stanley Cup finals, it is a particularly
remarkable slip up.
Hrudey deserved better in this one.
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Jeff Bird
>In article <1ulvnk...@network.ucsd.edu> k...@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>
> >> Has anyone seen a call for a measurement this playoff year? This season??
> >
>the stock market for the rest of the year. I would also like winning
>lottery numbers if you can predict those ahead of time, too.
>
Well I can't claim to have started it originally, but I did happen to
post the question before the game. As for the stock market,... well
I've probably lost more than I've gained, and I got wiped out early
in my own playoff pool, and I don't think I ever won anything in a
lottery. But maybe my luck is changing, hmmm, ... I wonder what
the 6-49 jackpot is tomorrow :-)
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^
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Bob Hruska P840
> In article <1993Jun3.1...@valet.dreo.dnd.ca> bi...@edx.ed.dreo.dnd.ca
> (Jeff Bird) writes:
>> You know,... you're right. I haven't seen that tried in *ages*. It
>> used to happen all the time in tight playoff games in the 70's but
>> I can't remember the last time I saw it. More often than not the equipment
>> was illegal and the other team strongly suspected it; it was a matter
>> of guts and timing as to when to ask for the measurement. The Soviets
>> (when there was a Soviet team) used to carry some wicked hooks, and would
>> often get caught.
>>
>> Has anyone seen a call for a measurement this playoff year? This season??
>
> Not this year, but I did see Roger Neilson try it about one or two seasons ago.
> It didn't work, as the ref practically forced the guy's stick through the legal
> space on the measuring tool. What the hell is that thing called, anyway? But
> I think teams have all but forgotten about that rule, otherwise teams that were
> really desperate for a goal would try it in order to generate a power play. Of
> course you have to be fairly confident that the measurement you call for will
> work, otherwise it's just not worth it. Maybe nobody has called for a
> measurement because players are trying to obey the guidelines better in order
> to avoid having that pulled on their club. I know that if I were a player I'd
> make damn sure my equipment met the standards so I didn't look like a fool on
> national TV for having a stick with too much curvature.
>
How interesting that this thread reaches my machine the morning after
game two...
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Isaac Kim
>In article <1ulvnk...@network.ucsd.edu> k...@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>
> >
>the stock market for the rest of the year. I would also like winning
>lottery numbers if you can predict those ahead of time, too.
I believe the credit goes to Jeff Bird. His original post:
In article <1993Jun3.1...@valet.dreo.dnd.ca> bi...@edx.ed.dreo.dnd.ca (Jeff Bird) writes:
> used to happen all the time in tight playoff games in the 70's but
> I can't remember the last time I saw it. More often than not the equipment
> was illegal and the other team strongly suspected it; it was a matter
> of guts and timing as to when to ask for the measurement. The Soviets
> (when there was a Soviet team) used to carry some wicked hooks, and would
> often get caught.
> Has anyone seen a call for a measurement this playoff year? This season??
More on how did Demers know about the stick:
I talked to a goalie who said that pucks shot from a stick with too much
curve will suddenly dip and drop. I have heard that goalies will make
a mental note of which players on the other team he thinks has an illegal
stick from the behaviour of the puck in the air and relay this info to the
coach. I thought that's what happened last night, but I like the broken
stick in practice story better.
Isaac (k...@bull.ucsd.edu)
Deepak Chhabra
[on McSorely being assessed an 'illegal stick' penalty...]
>The blame for this goes to rookie coach Melrose. He should not allow
>an illegal stick to be used at any time. But when attempting to rest
>on a 1 goal lead in the Stanley Cup finals, it is a particularly
>remarkable slip up.
Actually, Don Cherry had a great time in the OT intermission taking shots
at Melrose. He started by saying that when he coached the B's, no less
than *four* of his players routinely used illegal sticks. He only
mentioned one of them by name, btw (the name escapes me at the moment).
Anyway, according to him, if it was a close game, he would call for all
illegal sticks with about five minutes to go. And *nobody* was allowed
near the B's dressing room, or to retrieve their broken sticks from
practices. Don: "Especially here (the Forum); they're pretty sharp here."
According to Cherry, someone must have retrieved a stick broken by Marty
at a practice or during one of the games, and Jacques saved it for that
particular time. At this point he started taking shots at Melrose; he
said something to the effect of: "You see, motivation is good, but
sometimes you can learn a few things anyway. Sometimes guys aren't as
smart as they *think* they are, you know what I mean?"
IMO, hats off to Jacques Demers. *Two* gambles; one was asking for the
stick measurement in the first place, and the second was pulling Roy
before the ensuing faceoff (LA could have safely iced the puck).
Incidentally, Tony Robbins was at the game last night. I wonder if he
hopes to get his name inscribed on the Cup...?
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Waterloo, Ontario, Canada | to shore anyway."
Terence Mark
>Marty McSorely, who has otherwise been a superb player and a great
>asset to the Kings, just rammed his illegal hockey stick up their
>collective bunghole.
>Now we get to do the Overtime Thang, and find out if it's really going
>to cost them the game. If it does, I assume -someone- from the Kings
>organisation will collect that stick at the end of the game, and beat
>him about the head with it.
Actually given his shoddy play and numerous giveaways, I would think
the KIngs should probably do that anyways.
Lydia MANCINI
[stuff deleted]
>Incidentally, Tony Robbins was at the game last night. I wonder if he
>hopes to get his name inscribed on the Cup...?
Really, I knew he was in Montreal for one of his 200$-a-plate seminars a
couple of weeks ago. Oh yeah, aren't he and Melrose pretty tight. I see
Barry on all those infomercials.
I also saw that guy form Married...with Children. He plays Marcy's husband
Jefferson. For a split second I thought I was in LA. Then I walked outside.
>Deepak Chhabra
-- Lydia
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Nita Dunn
In a previous article, bar...@phxtc.sps.mot.com (Scott Barvian) says:
>In article <1ulvnk...@network.ucsd.edu> k...@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>
> >> Has anyone seen a call for a measurement this playoff year? This season??
> >
>Who started this discussion, and may I please have his predictions for
>the stock market for the rest of the year. I would also like winning
>lottery numbers if you can predict those ahead of time, too.
Harry Neale, on HNIC gets the credit!