Canadien reffs
Jonas
When Canada plays you can not have Canadien reffs. If Canada played in
Russia would there be Russian reffs (would the canadiens dare to play then,
I would not) or a American reff in the USA-Canada game.
I'm not saying that the reffs did more mistakes than usual but its not
spotsmanship to have your own reff.
A long as Lindroos (cry baby) and the others don't compete fair the
Canadien players will not be looked upon as champions anymore. The Russian
were true sportsmen. Hat off for Fedorov.
Jonas
Jamie Ganong
Jamie
vr...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Jonas (jo...@hjelms.com) wrote:
: When Canada plays you can not have Canadien reffs. If Canada played in
: Russia would there be Russian reffs (would the canadiens dare to play then,
: I would not) or a American reff in the USA-Canada game.
: I'm not saying that the reffs did more mistakes than usual but its not
: spotsmanship to have your own reff.
I tend to agree with you, it isn't fair in an international competition
to use ref's from only the NHL. I noticed that even the European games
are being judged by the NHL ref's, I believe the organizers made a
mistake in setting it up this way.
: A long as Lindroos (cry baby) and the others don't compete fair the
: Canadien players will not be looked upon as champions anymore. The Russian
: were true sportsmen. Hat off for Fedorov.
Attacking players doesn't help your arguement. Lindros is a great
player and throws clean checks, he's also not crying about anything,
unlike all the russian fans.
: Jonas
:
P. Allen Larsen
In article <01bb9648$67ba60a0$0f02000a@pettsson>
>
>I'm not saying that the reffs did more mistakes than usual but its not
>spotsmanship to have your own reff.
This I agree with. With an official from a third country, it would take
away a reason for complaining.
>A long as Lindroos (cry baby) and the others don't compete fair the
>Canadien players will not be looked upon as champions anymore. The Russian
>were true sportsmen. Hat off for Fedorov.
Larionov's high stick is being a true sportsman? Konstantinov's continuous
stick work is being a true sportsman? Fedorov diving is being a true
sportsman?
I think you need to adjust your definition.
Al.
Anders Thelemyr
lar...@mpr.ca (P. Allen Larsen) said:
>Larionov's high stick is being a true sportsman? Konstantinov's continuous
>stick work is being a true sportsman? Fedorov diving is being a true
>sportsman?
Larionov's cheapshot was technically speaking NOT a high-stick but
rather a slashing.
#
Anders Thelemyr (and...@algonet.se)
http://www.algonet.se/~anderst/bik/bik.htm
Yetiboy
: A long as Lindroos (cry baby) and the others don't compete fair the
: Canadien players will not be looked upon as champions anymore. The Russian
: were true sportsmen. Hat off for Fedorov.
Are you joking? The Russians were true sportsmen my butt. I don't know
what game you were watching, but Russia dealt out a few cheap shots of
their own (read: Larionov's? slash on Lindros late in the game when the
game was OVER). Canada played cheap, but Russia tried their best to do
the same, don't kid yourself.
brad
: Jonas
:
Steven Sanyal
Er.. and what refs do you suppose the put in? Some pathetic international
refs? Do you honestly think that they could even manage to keep up with
the level of play in the World Cup. Do you have any idea how fast the play
is there? I do not know how many American refs there are, but the only one
I know for certain is Paul Stewart. I do not think that Paul Stewart
should automatically be assigned to Canada's games.
As for the complaints, if you watch the NHL, refs are ALWAYS reluctant to
hand out 5 minute majors in most cases. You have to do something seriously
nasty to get that.
--
Steve
Jonas <jo...@hjelms.com> wrote in article
<01bb9648$67ba60a0$0f02000a@pettsson>...
> When Canada plays you can not have Canadien reffs. If Canada played in
> Russia would there be Russian reffs (would the canadiens dare to play
then,
> I would not) or a American reff in the USA-Canada game.
>
> I'm not saying that the reffs did more mistakes than usual but its not
> spotsmanship to have your own reff.
>
> A long as Lindroos (cry baby) and the others don't compete fair the
> Canadien players will not be looked upon as champions anymore. The
Russian
> were true sportsmen. Hat off for Fedorov.
>
> Jonas
>
>
>
Dirk Hoag
In article <5079tm$1...@viking.mpr.ca>, lar...@mpr.ca says...
>
>Larionov's high stick is being a true sportsman? Konstantinov's continuous
>stick work is being a true sportsman? Fedorov diving is being a true
>sportsman?
First of all Larionov SLASHED Lindros, he didn't high-stick him, and while
deserving of a penalty (which he received), it was no worse than dozens of
such slashes thrown in every game. As far as Konstantinov goes, anybody who
actually watches him play would know that he ISN'T nasty with the stick.
Vladdy may be a pest, but he's not a hack.
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P. Allen Larsen
In article <50kkrm$1...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>
>
>First of all Larionov SLASHED Lindros, he didn't high-stick him, and while
>deserving of a penalty (which he received), it was no worse than dozens of
>such slashes thrown in every game.
Right, one is so much better than the other.
Anyway, you entirely missed the point of what I said. I was
demonstrating that the dirty work in the Russia/Canada game was far
from one-sided as had been claimed. Moreover, that the referee had a
difficult job due to all of the infractions and that and bias was
perceived and not actual.
Al.
Anders Thelemyr
>difficult job due to all of the infractions and that and bias was
>perceived and not actual.
Not that you'll read this but:
So, you are capable of "actual" bias?
What makes you think that *your* bias was not "perceived",
in the sweetness of victory?
Dirk Hoag
In article <50l4ru$4...@viking.mpr.ca>, lar...@mpr.ca says...
>
>In article <50kkrm$1...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>
>dh...@mcare.med.umich.edu (Dirk Hoag) writes:
>>
>>First of all Larionov SLASHED Lindros, he didn't high-stick him, and while
>>deserving of a penalty (which he received), it was no worse than dozens of
>>such slashes thrown in every game.
>
>Right, one is so much better than the other.
There is a HUGE difference. Although injuries can happen due to slashes like
that, there is a big difference between whacking somebody where they have
padding and protection as opposed to hitting them in the face.
>Anyway, you entirely missed the point of what I said. I was
>demonstrating that the dirty work in the Russia/Canada game was far
>from one-sided as had been claimed. Moreover, that the referee had a
>difficult job due to all of the infractions and that and bias was
>perceived and not actual.
The bottom line is that when the ref allows a great deal of dirty play
(holding, slashing, whatever) it favors the North American teams, even if the
ref supposedly plays it fair by calling an equal number of penalties on each
team. Canada and the U.S. thrive when they are allowed to clutch, grab, and
otherwise interfere with their opponents - much like in the NHL.
P. Allen Larsen
In article <50mla5$o...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>
>
>The bottom line is that when the ref allows a great deal of dirty play
>(holding, slashing, whatever) it favors the North American teams, even if the
>ref supposedly plays it fair by calling an equal number of penalties on each
>team. Canada and the U.S. thrive when they are allowed to clutch, grab, and
>otherwise interfere with their opponents - much like in the NHL.
I guess all I can do is laugh now when I see this level of ignorance.
Glen Sather would be quite upset to see you calling his game plan full of
clutching and grabbing. He has long been an advocat of the quick paced
game, and that is what he has team Canada playing.
Canada nearly lost to Slovakia because that particular non-North American
team was employing the stiffling interference style of game. Did you
watch this game?
I do agree with you that the interference game is not desirable as it slows
down the game and the NHL must try harder to get rid of it. Watching two years
of the Devils and then the Panthers in the playoffs should convince most of
that. If you saw the '94 finals between the Rangers and the Canucks, then
you'll know the type of hockey that I enjoy the most. This is the style that
Glen Sather likes as well I'd bet.
Al.
Dirk Hoag
In article <50n9m4$r...@viking.mpr.ca>, lar...@mpr.ca says...
>
>In article <50mla5$o...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>
>dh...@mcare.med.umich.edu (Dirk Hoag) writes:
>>
>>The bottom line is that when the ref allows a great deal of dirty play
>>(holding, slashing, whatever) it favors the North American teams, even if
>>the
>>ref supposedly plays it fair by calling an equal number of penalties on
>>each
>>team. Canada and the U.S. thrive when they are allowed to clutch, grab,
>>and
>>otherwise interfere with their opponents - much like in the NHL.
>
>I guess all I can do is laugh now when I see this level of ignorance.
>
>Glen Sather would be quite upset to see you calling his game plan full of
>clutching and grabbing. He has long been an advocat of the quick paced
>game, and that is what he has team Canada playing.
I'm not saying that clutching and such are a part of Sather's strategy, but
rather that they are more a part of North American hockey than European.
These guys have been taught all their lives that if you start to get beat,
hook a guy, etc. Watch the Hatchers - I've seen them, on more than one
occassion during this World Cup run, get beaten by a guy, then turn around
and lay a two-hander right on the gloves or arms of the opposing forward, and
they only rarely get called for it. I've got nothing against Glen Sather -
I'm just talking about styles of play...