Defensemen who deserve a trophy
PATRICK EMOND
Hearing about who's going to win the Norris, every year I get nauseous.
Every year, it's the same names: Chelios, Coffey, Bourque, Housley, Stevens,
Leetch and MacInnis.
What do these guys have in common? A mess of points. The question is, does a
bunch of points make you a good defenseman? No, which is why I get pissed off.
Picture this. There's a two-on-one, and your team only has one defenseman back.
If it's Paul coffey or Phil Housley, will the other team score?
Yes, since Coffey or Housley would be caught way up ice on the play, and it
would be a 2-on-0.
My point is: when are defensemen who play well TWO-WAY going to be recognized?
A high-scoring defenseman who spends more time in the offensive zone than
anything else is just a fourth forward, and shouldn't be considered for a
defenseman's award.
The line-up I would like to see for outstanding defenseman this year
(based on two-way play: mucho points not necessary)
Darius Kasparaitis - Islanders (cleans out the zone)
Sylvain Lefebvre - Maple Leafs (does it simple, does it well)
Lyle Odelein - Canadiens (+35 last year with 16 points and *no* power play)
When the NHL wakes up and recognizes these guys, call me, I'll be the one
throwing darts at my Housley cards.
-Patrick Emond, Concordia U., Montreal, Canada
GO HABS GO!!
Daniel Piche
>
>Hearing about who's going to win the Norris, every year I get nauseous.
>Every year, it's the same names: Chelios, Coffey, Bourque, Housley, Stevens,
>Leetch and MacInnis.
>What do these guys have in common? A mess of points. The question is, does a
>bunch of points make you a good defenseman? No, which is why I get pissed off.
>
>Picture this. There's a two-on-one, and your team only has one defenseman back.
>If it's Paul coffey or Phil Housley, will the other team score?
>Yes, since Coffey or Housley would be caught way up ice on the play, and it
>would be a 2-on-0.
>
Where would Chelios, Bourque, or Stevens be in your opinion...?
They would be back there breaking the play.
They all can shoot, hit, skate, and show leadership when necessary.
Now that may not be your way of evaluating defencemen but I bet you anything that
is the way most people would do it.
>My point is: when are defensemen who play well TWO-WAY going to be recognized?
>A high-scoring defenseman who spends more time in the offensive zone than
>anything else is just a fourth forward, and shouldn't be considered for a
>defenseman's award.
>
Are you saying that it isn't possible to get lots of points and still play great defence ?
>The line-up I would like to see for outstanding defenseman this year
>(based on two-way play: mucho points not necessary)
>
>Darius Kasparaitis - Islanders (cleans out the zone)
>Sylvain Lefebvre - Maple Leafs (does it simple, does it well)
>Lyle Odelein - Canadiens (+35 last year with 16 points and *no* power play)
>
The day that any of these three (at best average) defencemen win the Norris, it will
mean that the NHL has been taken over by second rated players, and that the clutch and grab is now a standard in how to evaluate great defencemen, and possibly players in general.
In any case would you pay $25.00 to see them play,.... I wouldn't !
But I would have paid $50.00 to see Robert Orr play.
>When the NHL wakes up and recognizes these guys, call me, I'll be the one
>throwing darts at my Housley cards.
>
I predict that Phil's face will stay intact forever.
>-Patrick Emond, Concordia U., Montreal, Canada
> GO HABS GO!!
IMHO Raymond Bourque and Denis Potvin were the best 2-way defencemen in the
history of the game....not counting Robert O. of course..
I bet you anything the 3 defencemen you named will never make to the Hall of Fame,
but will certainly make it in the Hall of Shame of Clutch and Grab.
dp/
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Bryon Thur
PATRICK EMOND <p_e...@pavo.concordia.ca> wrote:
>
>Hearing about who's going to win the Norris, every year I get nauseous.
>Every year, it's the same names: Chelios, Coffey, Bourque, Housley, Stevens,
>Leetch and MacInnis.
>What do these guys have in common? A mess of points. The question is, does a
>bunch of points make you a good defenseman? No, which is why I get pissed off.
>
>(based on two-way play: mucho points not necessary)
>
>Darius Kasparaitis - Islanders (cleans out the zone)
>Sylvain Lefebvre - Maple Leafs (does it simple, does it well)
>Lyle Odelein - Canadiens (+35 last year with 16 points and *no* power play)
>
I think Stevens should run away with it (he won't, of course). He has a
shitload of points this season, and also has one of the highest (if not THE
highest) +/- rating this year. He is scary with the puck, and even scarier
when someone with the puck is heading towards him.
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Wes Holliday
>From: p_e...@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
>Subject: Defensemen who deserve a trophy
>Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 20:35:00 GMT
(Stuff flushed)
>The line-up I would like to see for outstanding defenseman this year
>(based on two-way play: mucho points not necessary)
>Darius Kasparaitis - Islanders (cleans out the zone)
>Sylvain Lefebvre - Maple Leafs (does it simple, does it well)
>Lyle Odelein - Canadiens (+35 last year with 16 points and *no* power play)
Ulf Samuellson - Penguins (keeping those Orthoscopic surgeons busy)
>When the NHL wakes up and recognizes these guys, call me, I'll be the one
>throwing darts at my Housley cards.
Save a couple for your Ulfie cards. God knows they can't be worth anything
anyway. Unless Fleer starts a Serial Hacket set.
Wes
P.S. There's an extra 20 in it for you if you peg that cheap shit between the
eyes!!
Ryan Hollingsworth
< only does he lead his team in scoring and has set franchise records for
< goals, assists and points by a defenseman, but he also leads the entire
< league in plus-minus. Two way play? You can't find any better than
< Scott.
< Stevens should win the Norris, no doubt about it.
Stevens is definitely the most deserving of the Norris trophy. He's the
best defenseman in the league who hasn't gotten the rewards he deserves.
If he doesn't win the Norris this year, it will be a travesty of hockey.
--
Ryan Hollingsworth Go Capitals!!!
rhol...@slapshot.async.vt.edu Go Hokies!!!
Daniel Piche
>In article <11APR199...@pavo.concordia.ca>,
>PATRICK EMOND <p_e...@pavo.concordia.ca> wrote:
>>
>>Hearing about who's going to win the Norris, every year I get nauseous.
>>Every year, it's the same names: Chelios, Coffey, Bourque, Housley, Stevens,
>>Leetch and MacInnis.
>>What do these guys have in common? A mess of points. The question is, does a
>>bunch of points make you a good defenseman? No, which is why I get pissed off.
>>
>>The line-up I would like to see for outstanding defenseman this year
>>(based on two-way play: mucho points not necessary)
>>
>>Darius Kasparaitis - Islanders (cleans out the zone)
>>Sylvain Lefebvre - Maple Leafs (does it simple, does it well)
>>Lyle Odelein - Canadiens (+35 last year with 16 points and *no* power play)
>>
> I'd be the first to agree that Lefebvre deserves a shot at the Norris, but
>I think Stevens should run away with it (he won't, of course). He has a
>shitload of points this season, and also has one of the highest (if not THE
>highest) +/- rating this year. He is scary with the puck, and even scarier
>when someone with the puck is heading towards him.
>
I hope the Norris never goes to defencemen like Lefebvre because even if he is
good on defence, there is still other defencemen as good as he is defensively
and can put a lot of points on the board. As for Steven, he will get a shot at
the Norris but he won't win it because Bourque has everything he has plus he's got
15 points more (76 against 91).
[STUFF DELETED]
Go Bourque GO... Even at 35 years old.
Dan.
Mike T.M.
>Sylvain Lefebvre - Maple Leafs (does it simple, does it well)
>Lyle Odelein - Canadiens (+35 last year with 16 points and *no* power play)
>
>When the NHL wakes up and recognizes these guys, call me, I'll be the one
>throwing darts at my Housley cards.
>
plays defense a hell of alot better than Kasparaiis, Lefebvre, and
Odelein. He is definitely better ofensively than these three guys.
Calling Scott Stevens a strict offensive defenseman is a crime. Stevens
deserves the Norris.
Douglas Deutsch
>
>Hearing about who's going to win the Norris, every year I get nauseous.
>Every year, it's the same names: Chelios, Coffey, Bourque, Housley, Stevens,
>Leetch and MacInnis.
>What do these guys have in common? A mess of points. The question is, does a
>bunch of points make you a good defenseman? No, which is why I get pissed off.
>
>Picture this. There's a two-on-one, and your team only has one defenseman back.
>If it's Paul coffey or Phil Housley, will the other team score?
>Yes, since Coffey or Housley would be caught way up ice on the play, and it
>would be a 2-on-0.
How can Housley or Coffey be 'caught way up ice' if you just said that
'your team only has one defenseman back'?
>
>My point is: when are defensemen who play well TWO-WAY going to be recognized?
>A high-scoring defenseman who spends more time in the offensive zone than
>anything else is just a fourth forward, and shouldn't be considered for a
>defenseman's award.
I'll take Stevens or Bourque as 'defensemen who play well TWO-WAY.' Both
of these guys are excellent defensive players. I would even venture to
throw Chelios in there with them.
Doug Deutsch
djd...@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
RANGERS #1
>>My point is: when are defensemen who play well TWO-WAY going to be recognized?
>>A high-scoring defenseman who spends more time in the offensive zone than
>>anything else is just a fourth forward, and shouldn't be considered for a
>>defenseman's award.
>
> only does he lead his team in scoring and has set franchise records for
> goals, assists and points by a defenseman, but he also leads the entire
> league in plus-minus. Two way play? You can't find any better than
> Scott.
>
> Stevens should win the Norris, no doubt about it.
Too bad he can't help them beat the RANGERS!!!!!!!!
Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!!!!!
6-0 so far.
Looking for 10-0.
after we get done beating on the I-Holes.
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aka The Phantom starting centerfielder for the
aka The Piano Man Boston Red Sox... life sucks,
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John Arbuthnott
I suggest that Al MacInnis is in the same boat as Stevens in that neither
has been recognized with the Norris. The fact of the matter is, though,
Raymond Bourque is just plain better. I hate to admit that but he is.
Of course, the league tends to give awards to those who are great players
AND have had a great season. Stevens qualifies but so do Al, Ray and that
Leetch guy (I guess, though he isn't so strong D-wise as the others).
Honestly as always,
-John Arbuthnott
joh...@cpsc.ucalgary.ca
David Vanderveen
If you bemoan defensemen being selected ONLY for their offensive play,
then why do you propose some defensemen who are good only DEFENSIVELY. I,
too, have never thought that guys like Coffey and Housley deserve serious
consideration for the Norris. But neither do strictly defensive playes.
The truly great defensemen are those who are good going both ways, guys
like Bourque (probably the best in the league), Stevens, Chelios, and
MacInnis.