Finally,a US player who's got balls (LeClair joins American team)
Marcus Lindroos INF
Forget about the US Olympic team's flop of the century in Nagano.
The real letdown is these guys don't even have enough pride to
show their 6th place finish was a fluke. They had got another
chance, in the world championships in Switzerland this month.
Just look at the team the United States could have had:
GOAL: Richter,Vanbiesbrouck,Hebert (missed the playoffs)
DEFENSE: Leetch,Chelios,Suter,Berard,Schneider (missed the playoffs)
Carney (1st round exit)
FORWARDS:Amonte,Smolinski,Young,LaFontaine,Stevens,Lindsay,Fitzgerald (missed playoffs)
Rolston,Tkachuk,Roenick,Janney,LeClair,Otto,Deadmarsh (1st round exits)
That's sixteen former Olympians -- *one* of which will show up in
Switzerland (John LeClair). I think that's pathetic. So what is
nobody cares about the world championships; other major "losers"
such as Mats Sundin or Peter Forsberg will play simply because
they want to salvage _something_ from a disastrous year. Apparently
the Americans would rather be playing golf.
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Marcus Lindroos INF wrote:
>
> Apparently the Americans would rather be playing golf.
Yeah, you're probably right. The World Championships are pretty much a
European thing. In N. America, there's very little interest in it.
Watching a typical sportsdesk show...we get 10 minutes of NHL playoff
stuff and then as they go to commercial, we get a 15 seconds blurb about
how Canada did today. Yippee.
Its kind of tough to generate interest in the tournament when a
significant percentage of the best players are still playing in the NHL
at this time of year.
Andrew
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Marcus Lindroos INF wrote in message <6imufo$7...@josie.abo.fi>...
>That's sixteen former Olympians -- *one* of which will show up in
>Switzerland (John LeClair). I think that's pathetic. So what is
>nobody cares about the world championships; other major "losers"
>such as Mats Sundin or Peter Forsberg will play simply because
>they want to salvage _something_ from a disastrous year. Apparently
>the Americans would rather be playing golf.
>
Alan Campbell
Craig Janney isn't American.
Alan
JSator
Craig Janney was a memeber of the 1988 US Olympic squad in Calgary. As far as
I know, he is American. I think he was born in Enfield, CT.
Max Chuang
In article <6imufo$7...@josie.abo.fi>,
Marcus Lindroos INF <mlin...@news.abo.fi> wrote:
>That's sixteen former Olympians -- *one* of which will show up in
>Switzerland (John LeClair). I think that's pathetic. So what is
>nobody cares about the world championships; other major "losers"
>such as Mats Sundin or Peter Forsberg will play simply because
>they want to salvage _something_ from a disastrous year. Apparently
>the Americans would rather be playing golf.
Actually, I believe most of them were simply not invited back to
team USA, and rightfully so. I say it's great that a bunch of
lesser-known NHL'ers, prospects, and college kids are getting the
chance to play.
Max
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Jason Bauman
Has it occurred to you fools who are crucifying the Americans who are not
joining the team that those players might just be sick of playing hockey?
This has been a particularly ardouos regular season in the NHL. Close
together games and idiot scheduling (largely thanx to the Olympics) have
made for a lot of long flights which lead to physical and mental fatigue.
Hell, this WC thing is not important to us here in North America. You
know Sundin is going to sign up immediately because Europeans actually
care who wins this tournament. American fans don't care. Why should
American players?
Joe-B
ma...@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Max Chuang) wrote:
>Actually, I believe most of them were simply not invited back to
>team USA, and rightfully so. I say it's great that a bunch of
>lesser-known NHL'ers, prospects, and college kids are getting the
>chance to play.
You're correct about that Max. Invitations were not extended to the US
Olympic players as retribution for failing to identify the culprits in
the room trashings. They still may face banishment from future
Olympics if no one comes forward.
Joe
Alan Campbell
Jason Bauman wrote:
>
> Has it occurred to you fools who are crucifying the Americans who are not
> joining the team that those players might just be sick of playing hockey?
Very true look at how many Canadians were invited, but didn't want to
play, Gretzky, Fleury, Messeir, Lindros, etc, etc. After a long NHL
season, the olympics, don't you think the players must be dead tired.
> Hell, this WC thing is not important to us here in North America. You
> know Sundin is going to sign up immediately because Europeans actually
> care who wins this tournament. American fans don't care. Why should
> American players?
Up here(north of 49th parrallel), wc takes a second seat to the
playoffs. I mean half the countries have their B and C teams playing. I
mean I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see Canada repeat but, it's no
big deal.
Alan
John Crocetti
Max Chuang wrote:
>
> Actually, I believe most of them were simply not invited back to
> team USA, and rightfully so. I say it's great that a bunch of
> lesser-known NHL'ers, prospects, and college kids are getting the
> chance to play.
>
> Max
>
I believe that is correct. Also, after all the scouting the Predators
have been doing during the past year, it's possible that Poile has
placed a bunch of players he expects might be available to him in either
the expansion or entry drafts or possibly for trades.
John
Jason Cormier
Alan Campbell wrote in message <354F2976...@greynet.net>...
>Craig Janney isn't American.
He isn't?
Craig Janney: born 9/26/67, Hartford, Connecticut. Played for the US in past
Int'l competitions.
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Alan Campbell
Jason Cormier wrote:
>
> Alan Campbell wrote in message <354F2976...@greynet.net>...
> >Craig Janney isn't American.
>
> He isn't?
>
> Craig Janney: born 9/26/67, Hartford, Connecticut. Played for the US in past
> Int'l competitions.
Ohh..... I didn't think he was American for some reason.
aLAN
Markku Grönroos
Alan Campbell wrote in message <354F7A3B...@greynet.net>...
>
>Very true look at how many Canadians were invited, but didn't want to
>play, Gretzky, Fleury, Messeir, Lindros, etc, etc. After a long NHL
>season, the olympics, don't you think the players must be dead tired.
>
Those who don't advance to playoffs in NHL are dead tired. What about those
who play there?
John Alway
There is a strong psychological factor here. When you've been working
toward a goal for a long time (i.e the Stanely Cup) you aren't going to
give up when you get to the playoffs. However, when it ends for you,
there is a sense that it's over until it begins again next year
(especially for those who have already played in the Olympics). All of
that energy you put into every game of the season was for the purpose of
the Stanely Cup, though enjoyment of playing and a good pay check were
surely factors as well. It's akin to climbing a great mountain. When
you are done you are likely not going to want to start right away
climbing a new mountain. On the contrary, they'd probably want to go
the village for a small vacation. Once your mental tank is refuelled,
you are then ready for a new challenge.
...John
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Alan Campbell <ha...@greynet.net> wrote in article
<354F2976...@greynet.net>...
> Craig Janney isn't American.
>
> Alan
>
Yes he is. He was born in Hartford, CT. and played on the U.S. Olympic
team in the Calgary Olympics
Jason Cormier
Alan Campbell wrote in message <35507F5F...@greynet.net>...
>Jason Cormier wrote:
>>
>> Alan Campbell wrote in message <354F2976...@greynet.net>...
>> >Craig Janney isn't American.
>>
>>
>> Craig Janney: born 9/26/67, Hartford, Connecticut. Played for the US in
past
>> Int'l competitions.
>
>Ohh..... I didn't think he was American for some reason.
Well, considering how much of his success was due to playing alongside Brett
Hull, perhaps we should make him an honourary Canadian. ;-)
Alan Campbell
Markku Grönroos wrote:
>
> Alan Campbell wrote in message <354F7A3B...@greynet.net>...
> >
> >Very true look at how many Canadians were invited, but didn't want to
> >play, Gretzky, Fleury, Messeir, Lindros, etc, etc. After a long NHL
> >season, the olympics, don't you think the players must be dead tired.
> >
> Those who don't advance to playoffs in NHL are dead tired. What about those
> who play there?
Like I said, I can't blame any of the guys for not waNTING TO PLay
because they must be beat.
Alan
Mike Eisler
>The real letdown is these guys don't even have enough pride to
>show their 6th place finish was a fluke. They had got another
>chance, in the world championships in Switzerland this month.
>Just look at the team the United States could have had:
>
>GOAL: Richter,Vanbiesbrouck,Hebert (missed the playoffs)
>DEFENSE: Leetch,Chelios,Suter,Berard,Schneider (missed the playoffs)
> Carney (1st round exit)
>FORWARDS:Amonte,Smolinski,Young,LaFontaine,Stevens,Lindsay,Fitzgerald (missed playoffs)
> Rolston,Tkachuk,Roenick,Janney,LeClair,Otto,Deadmarsh (1st round exits)
>
>Switzerland (John LeClair). I think that's pathetic. So what is
>nobody cares about the world championships; other major "losers"
>such as Mats Sundin or Peter Forsberg will play simply because
>they want to salvage _something_ from a disastrous year. Apparently
>the Americans would rather be playing golf.
My impression was the USA Hockey didn't want the U.S. Olympians since
they don't know who trashed the village. If Leclair was allowed on
the team, that must mean that they have proof he wasn't involved.
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On Thu, 07 May 1998 10:26:29 -0400, Alan Campbell <ha...@greynet.net>
wrote:
Also, it would be hard for NHL players to suit up for USA Hockey after
USA Hockey's treatment of the NHL after the Olympic Games. Yes, I know
the debates and threads here about the actions of the US team in
Nagano. But USA Hockey wanted more than a mere apology, it wanted a
show trial which it never got. It wanted to blame someone and make a
big deal of it and the NHL players didn't buy it. Then, USA Hockey
makes a big deal out of publicly not inviting the US hockey players to
the Olympic ceremony at the White House.
After all this, then USA Hockey expects the NHL players out of the
playoffs to rush over and play for them at the WC? You gotta be
kidding. Who does USA Hockey think they are? Did they really think
these players would go?
Please...
Dan Green
Jason Bauman wrote:
>
> Has it occurred to you fools who are crucifying the Americans who are not
> joining the team that those players might just be sick of playing hockey?
> together games and idiot scheduling (largely thanx to the Olympics) have
> made for a lot of long flights which lead to physical and mental fatigue.
Bahaaahuhuhu, poor, poor, poooooor "proffesional" hockey players. Only 3
MONTHS
vacation and $10 million in the bank, must feel terrible! Everybody else
would
do anything for it.
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Alan Campbell
Jason Cormier wrote:
>
> Ya, that's it; the US Olympic players were the victims. That damn fire
> extinguisher was just asking for it and the furniture was rude. The nerve of
> USA Hockey: wanting the guilty parties to own up to their actions and being
> ticked-off at the other players for covering up. How unreasonable!
>
> Those poor players: always being picked-on...
>
> --
YEAH NO KIDDING, it was that damn chairs fault, he shouldn't have been
so lippy. :)
Alan
Jason Cormier
Ya, that's it; the US Olympic players were the victims. That damn fire
extinguisher was just asking for it and the furniture was rude. The nerve of
USA Hockey: wanting the guilty parties to own up to their actions and being
ticked-off at the other players for covering up. How unreasonable!
Those poor players: always being picked-on...
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: Actually, I believe most of them were simply not invited back to
: team USA, and rightfully so. I say it's great that a bunch of
: lesser-known NHL'ers, prospects, and college kids are getting the
: chance to play.
And for that very reason, will likely do _better_.
Steve Olson
Vern Faulkner wrote in message <6j0kqe$hbm$1...@blksmth.spydernet.com>...
I don't know if you've noticed, but those lesser-known NHL'ers, prospects
and college kids are actually doing a lot worse! They're tying with and
losing to teams that the Olympic 'Dream Team' surely would have manhandled
(i.e., France and Germany).
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Alan Campbell
> losing to teams that the Olympic 'Dream Team' surely would have manhandled
> (i.e., France and Germany).
"olympic dream team"???????
Alan
Steve Olson
Alan Campbell wrote in message <35545D4E...@greynet.net>...
Rightly or wrongly, that's what they were billed as. The NHL and IIHF made
a big deal about how, unlike in Olympic basketball where there was only one
'Dream Team', in this year's Olympic hockey tournament there were six 'Dream
Teams'. The US Olympic hockey team was one of them, and that's what I'm
referring to. There is no comparison between the current US World
Championship team and the '98 US Olympic hockey team when you look at their
rosters. That was the point I was making, and it doesn't really seem too
debatable.
Vern Faulkner
: >And for that very reason, will likely do _better_.
: I don't know if you've noticed, but those lesser-known NHL'ers, prospects
: and college kids are actually doing a lot worse! They're tying with and
: losing to teams that the Olympic 'Dream Team' surely would have manhandled
: (i.e., France and Germany).
Ah, but are they trashing hotel rooms afterwards?
Frankly, I wasn't aware of the results until after I had posted. THis week
has been a busy one, with a bike accident screwing up my mobility for a
while. I am surprised the US is doing so poorly. Unfortunately, this likely
means that they won't repeat the idea of sending college and minor pro
players over - which is probably a better path for US hockey development
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Alan Campbell
> >"olympic dream team"???????
> >
> >Alan
>
> Rightly or wrongly, that's what they were billed as. The NHL and IIHF made
> a big deal about how, unlike in Olympic basketball where there was only one
> 'Dream Team'
And very lopsided it was!!
in this year's Olympic hockey tournament there were six 'Dream
> Teams'. The US Olympic hockey team was one of them, and that's what I'm
> referring to. There is no comparison between the current US World
> Championship team and the '98 US Olympic hockey team when you look at their
> rosters. That was the point I was making, and it doesn't really seem too
> debatable.
No their isn't any comparison. However I think that holds true for every
country.
Alan
Edward Lor
Jason Cormier <ja...@RemoveThis.alles.or.jp> wrote in article
<6j08gb$mpo$1...@news.alles.or.jp>...
>Ya, that's it; the US Olympic players were the victims.
You can't say it better. They are victims of your ignorance and
prejudice...
>That damn fire
>extinguisher was just asking for it and the furniture was rude.
Yes, I can't see all 20+ players were throwing 1 fire extinguisher out of
the windows, and all 20+ players jammed in a small room to thrash
all the furniture, can you?
Jason, you get imagination!!!
>The nerve of
>USA Hockey: wanting the guilty parties to own up to their actions
>and being ticked-off at the other players for covering up. How unreasonable!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Unreasonable? Definitely.
About the 2nd part, you get any evidence that the other players are
***covering up***? Did they confess to you that they witness the room
thrashing?
Jason, once again, you just wish to spout this nonsense hoping that
I am not watching. This is not your cave justice.
You have absolutely no evidence that all the players witnessed the
room thrashing, as if all the remaining players were standing there
as cheerleaders. Thus you have no evidence that there is a cover up.
If nothing else, you should know all the details of the room thrashing.
Afterall, you were in the country at that time. So why don't you point out
the culprits? Hey, it's just your "guilty by association" logic.
You are associated, so you must have known something.
BTW, Hull claimed that he knew the identities of the room thrashers from
the NHL investigators. So the NHL should be also penalized for the cover-up,
yes?
>Those poor players: always being picked-on...
Yep, but it seems like only from Canadians. I wonder why...
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Vern Faulkner <ve...@widow.spydernet.com> wrote in article
<6j0kqe$hbm$1...@blksmth.spydernet.com>...
> : Actually, I believe most of them were simply not invited back to
> : team USA, and rightfully so.
You can believe whatever you want, except that's not reality.
This is from an AP article titled <Nations aim for redemption at Worlds>, publised
on 4/30/98, which I pulled from ESPN's sportszone, just for the sake of this
type of subject on rec.sport.hockey.
Not a single member of the U.S. Olympic team who was available for the
championships -- meaning they were out of the NHL playoffs -- accepted
an invitation.
So, apparently, it's USA Hockey who invited the players but the players turned
it down. So, do you think USA Hockey is still smarting over the non-snitching
of the room thrashers?
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Joe-B <jo...@nospam.buffnet.net> wrote in article
<6inpeh$e4o$1...@buffnet2.buffnet.net>...
> You're correct about that Max. Invitations were not extended to the US
> Olympic players as retribution for failing to identify the culprits in
> the room trashings.
That's not true. You have nothing to back up your claim to say
the least. In the AP press release, it said otherwise.
===============================================================
Nations aim for redemption at Worlds
Associated Press
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ZURICH, Switzerland -- For the Czech Republic, the World Ice
Hockey Championship is a chance to show
its Olympic gold medal was no fluke.
But the United States, Canada and Sweden have no real way to
make up for their Olympic disappointment
-- the teams they're sending to the world championships aren't
close to the star-studded aggregations
they send to the Olympics. Neither are the world championships,
where the teams are a decidedly
second-string lot.
The tournament opens Friday in Zurich and Basel and runs
through May 17 minus many key NHL players
who are involved in the NHL playoffs. Other available players
-- like Wayne Gretzky of Canada, and
Brian Leetch, Chris Chelios, Tony Amonte and Mike Richter of
the United States -- have declined to
play because of a long season extended by the Olympics.
The Czechs will be led by Robert Reichel, the New York
Islanders' second-leading scorer this season
and the captain of the Olympic team. Coach Ivan Hlinka has
retained eight members of his Nagano
gold-medal squad, but will be missing Olympic hero Dominik
Hasek, the Buffalo Sabres goaltender, and
NHL scoring leader Jaromir Jagr of the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Not a single member of the U.S. Olympic team who was available
for the
championships -- meaning they
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
were out of the NHL playoffs -- accepted an invitation.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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You see it? It didn't say
"Not a single member .... received an invitation"
It said:
"Not a single member ... accepted an invitation"
You sure know the difference between the two, do you?
>They still may face banishment from future
> Olympics if no one comes forward.
That's baseless speculation. A very good way to dispute this speculation is:
Why wait? it has been 2 1/2 months, and there is no reason USA Hockey
have to wait this long to announce a ban on the team.
In other words, I can speculate too: The American players weren't doing
anything wrong for not snitching the room thrashers. Thus there is no ban.
The room thrashing act is wrong, but Chelios has already taken care of that.
So you better keep praying that USA Hockey will go ahead and ban the
team. As of now, you have nothing but wishful thinking. The invitation extended
to the players for the current World Championship is the best evidence
against your argument.
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Jason Cormier
Hey the defense lawyer is back. Just as I pictured it: lurking in the
shadows, desperately waiting for someone to bring up the issue again.
I've heard all your arguments before Ed. Scream all you want, it's kind of
amusing. If you want to take my playful sarcasm and use it as an opportunity
to, yet again, climb up on the soapbox and plead innocence on the same
technicalities that get a lot of criminals off; then far be it from me to
prevent you. It must make the US players very proud to know that they are
avoiding responsibility for their acts in this manner.
If only we all had your sense of morality: it's ok as long as no one can
prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Yes, yes, I know: you'll give me a big speech about how superior American
culture is vs. Japan because everyone has their rights and they can't just
be trampled on by us Spanish Inquisition-types. It's too bad you forgot the
other part of the equation: with rights come responsibilities. You, along
with the US players, seem to have forgotten this part....or are you going to
claim that the vandalism was not committed by US players or that *no
player*, beyond the perpetrators, knew who did it. Both of these points may
be a little hard for everyone else to swallow; considering the evidence of
the Olympic Village officials and Japanese police (re: the vandalism) and
the fact that certain US players were victims of this anger/prank/whatever
gone wrong (re: witnesses).
So please Ed, offer us something new or go back to lurking.
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Jason Cormier <ja...@RemoveThis.alles.or.jp> wrote in article
<6jbb1k$m1i$1...@news.alles.or.jp>...
> Hey the defense lawyer is back. Just as I pictured it: lurking in the
> shadows, desperately waiting for someone to bring up the issue again.
Good, I am just wondering why no one bring this thing up as the issue is
going away quietly. You made the perfect move to illustrate your warped
justice, again.
> I've heard all your arguments before Ed.
Good, so at least you won't confuse the issues here like some other idiots.
When going nowhere, they always want to revert the issue back to the
room thrashing itself.
>Scream all you want, it's kind of
> amusing.
Boy, it's not me who scream the nonsense that
"if no one talks, then I'll punish the whole class"
the kind of ancient oriental justice, is it?
>If you want to take my playful sarcasm and use it as an opportunity
> to, yet again, climb up on the soapbox and plead innocence on the same
> technicalities that get a lot of criminals off;
technicalities? like your
"if no one talks, then I'll punish the whole class"
kind? And worse yet, what evidence do you have that the non-snitchers commited
a "crime"? Are you talking about your cave justice again?
> then far be it from me to prevent you.
Your ability in arguing such matter is less than what you thought...
>It must make the US players very proud to know that they are
> avoiding responsibility for their acts in this manner.
And why is it their responsibility to identify the room thrashers? When
Mike Richter told the press that he didn't know who were thrashing the room,
you don't believe him? Now it's Richter's responsibility to catch the culprits
for the rest of the world?
> If only we all had your sense of morality: it's ok as long as no one can
> prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Nope, my sense of morality is that it's OK not to make sweeping judgement
on people (the rest of Team USA who didn't thrash the rooms), based on
your limited knowledge on the actual incident.
Your common sense should tell you that most, if not all, of the team USA
players were not at the scene as eye-witnesses. Thus your faulting them for
covering up, for not identifying the culprits, or your proposed punishment
of the whole group, is vintage ancient justice.
It's not even an issue of proof beyond reasonable doubt. It's an issue of
no teeth whatsoever. As I said, if you can fault someone by association
"you are on the same team, you must know something. If you don't talk,
I'll simply punish you",
you are every bit as punishable as the team USA members.
> Yes, yes, I know: you'll give me a big speech about how superior American
> culture is vs. Japan because everyone has their rights
Dumbo, you don't even need the talks of American cultures and rights. Just
think before you write. Would you punish yourself, Eric Lindros and
Tara Lipinski for not revealing the identities of the room thrashers? I don't
see why not? Let see:
You - you were in the country at that time, you must know something
Lindros - he was in the Olympic village at that time, he must know something
Lipinski - she was on the same delegation, she was also at the village, so she
must know something...
> It's too bad you forgot the
> other part of the equation: with rights come responsibilities.
Really? Lots of people should share this responsbility of catching the culprits.
I don't see why they duck themselves.
You - you are on a noble cause to uphold justice, especially it's from
fellow North Americans on Japanese soil...
Lindros - he is a fellow Olympian, he should uphold the Olympic spirit
Lipinski - she is a fellow American Olympian, she should also uphold the Olympic
spirit
So, can you explain why you and Lindros and Lipinski dodge the
responsibilities?
>You, along
> with the US players, seem to have forgotten this part....
Well, I know that part. Actually, I know more than that. That's why I can expose
your inconsistency.
>or are you going to
> claim that the vandalism was not committed by US players
Nope, I didn't say that. Don't fabricate argument.
>or that *no
> player*, beyond the perpetrators, knew who did it.
There may or may not be players know about it. And there are also many non
players who know about it: the NHL investigator, Sports Illustrated, an NHL team
official, Alex (asso...@usa.net), etc. So what about it?
> So please Ed, offer us something new or go back to lurking.
Well, I have offered a new angle for you since the beginning of this argument.
Maybe it's too sensible for you to comprehend....
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TAZMAN
Jason Cormier wrote:
> <snip everything we've heard from Ed many times before>
Exactly!
The thing to do is, drop Eddy in the kill file. It's makes the group so much
more interesting.
Unfortunately you're still exposed to him second hand like this. I guess I will
also miss his witty rejoinder and incredible argument/logic formation in
response to this post.
And while Fish is good for you and, as rumour has it, is a large part of
Japanese diets/culture, being on the receiving end of too much Red Herring can
be bad for your mental health.
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Jason Cormier
<snip everything we've heard from Ed many times before>
>> So please Ed, offer us something new or go back to lurking.
>Well, I have offered a new angle for you since the beginning of this
argument.
>Maybe it's too sensible for you to comprehend....
Ed, you have added no new angle. You have:
-gone searching for old quotes.
-used sarcasm about a profession, culture and situation that you know
nothing about.
-repeated your technicalities for defending them.
-restated the usual rhetoric.
-retyped your same childish insult that you use when you desperately need to
add
substance to what you wrote.
-reiterated your ridiculous theories on how I'm just as likely to know the
culprits
as those who were victims of or in the vicinity of the vandalism (Or
perhaps you
don't understand the concept of 400km vs. 10 metres. Shall I translate
it into miles
and feet for you?)
I made a simple request: offer something new instead of the same rambling,
repetitive and ultimately, despite your self-gratifying claims to the
contrary, subjective lines that you always use. Obviously, that was too
difficult a request for you.
How about an easier one for you: you say what you want and I'll say what I
want but let's ignore each other unless it's a new issue. The 90s hockey
performance debate looks promising; I'll see you there...
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Edward Lor
TAZMAN <"Tazman"@(PythonSPAMRemove)istar.ca> wrote in article
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> The thing to do is, drop Eddy in the kill file. It's makes the group so much
> more interesting.
Good advice for yourself, DumTaz. I mean, when you run out of arguments,
why not hide your head in the sand. That should be the easy wimp out for
you....
> Unfortunately you're still exposed to him second hand like this. I guess I will
> also miss his witty rejoinder and incredible argument/logic formation in
> response to this post.
You miss it? What news? With your warp logic and closed mind, why would
you miss my incredible argument/logic? You live in your own cave.
Afterall, I am still waiting to see a future ban on the non-snitchers on any
future Olympics. You care to enlighten us when it's going to happen?
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Arthur Tse
Edward,
For your information, you don't have any evidence either that none of
the US players witnessed the room trashing. Why don't you just shut up
and stop stirring.
Edward Lor wrote:
>
> Jason Cormier <ja...@RemoveThis.alles.or.jp> wrote in article
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Arthur Tse <assasin###@ihug.co.nz> wrote in article <355A9118...@ihug.co.nz>...
>For your information, you don't have any evidence either that none of
>the US players witnessed the room trashing. Why don't you just shut up
>and stop stirring.
Dumbo, one is innocent until one is proven guilty.
In other words, if you accuse the players of covering up, then you
have to substantiate that the players were actually there to witness the
thrashing. I don't have to furnish proof that the players weren't there.
You do nothing and I do nothing, then you still have no proof that the
players were there as witnesses. In other words, the accusation is
unsubstantiated, er. hot air...
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Edward Lor
Jason Cormier <ja...@RemoveThis.alles.or.jp> wrote in article
<6jcei9$mr$1...@news.alles.or.jp>:
>Ed, you have added no new angle. You have:
>
>-gone searching for old quotes.
Your old quotes are enough to nail you.
>-used sarcasm about a profession, culture and situation that you know
>nothing about.
And you do know? like you know a lot about the situations?
like all Team USA members were eyewitnesses of the thrashing?
>-repeated your technicalities for defending them.
Technicalities are something you can't handle. Technically, you have
nothing to support your accusation.
>-restated the usual rhetoric.
>-retyped your same childish insult that you use when you desperately need to
>add
> substance to what you wrote.
Wow, Jason, that's more than enough for you to handle.
What you can't deal with is that:
- you have absolutely no evidence that the rest of the players were there
as witnesses of the thrashing.
- you have no way to substantiate your accusation, which is nothing more
than a "guilty by association" charge
- you have no way to defend other people, who, like the hockey players, may
have know the identities of the vandals thru' hearsay.
In other words, your so-called "cover-up" is just your hot air. For the sake
of consistency, why don't you accuse the NHL, SI, and the NHL team
official as part of the cover-up? For starter, the NHL and SI should be
punished for not snitching the culprits...
>-reiterated your ridiculous theories on how I'm just as likely to know the
>culprits
> as those who were victims of or in the vicinity of the vandalism (Or
>perhaps you
> don't understand the concept of 400km vs. 10 metres. Shall I translate
>it into miles
> and feet for you?)
Oh, so in your cave justice, in the vicinity is enough to be called an
eyewitness? Nope, I don't understand your definition of vicinity, or you
can tell us why other Olympians or American Olympians (like Tara Lipinski)
aren't in the vicinity, or why they are in the vicinity but not included
in the cover-up...
I also notice that you totally dodge the issue of the other non-players
who supposedly know the identities of the thrashers, why they are not
responsible for identify the thrashers. Can't blame you for dodging that.
>I made a simple request: offer something new instead of the same rambling,
>repetitive and ultimately, despite your self-gratifying claims to the
>contrary, subjective lines that you always use.
These are arguments since February that you haven't been able to defend.
You posted nothing to defend your BS after I shot your
"If no one talks, I'll punish the whole class" BS
And you want something new?
>Obviously, that was too difficult a request for you.
Obviously. I don't see why I need anything new when you have no
ability to argue since February...
>How about an easier one for you: you say what you want and I'll say what I
>want but let's ignore each other unless it's a new issue.
Good advice for yourself, since whenever I thrash your arguement, you have
no way to defend it. Better just say what you want and think that you still
have something to argue. That's a easy way out for you.
As far as I am concern, I don't have to say what I want. Just pick on your
BS is interesting enough.
>The 90s hockey
>performance debate looks promising; I'll see you there...
I can't wait.
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