Worst Trades
Ian Mendes
1. Russ Courtnall for John Kordic - What was Stellick smoking when he
pulled that trade???
2. Chris Chelios for Denis Savard - What was Savard smoking here - the
Habs' power play has gone down the tubes since this trade. (Although
they still managed to win the Cup).
3. Doug Gilmour & co. for Leeman & co. - This trade truly turned
around the Leafs fortunes, making them contenders instead of pretenders.
4. Cam Neely for Barry Pederson - The Canucks ensured thier place in
the 80's cellar with this trade.
5. Claude Lemieux for Sylvain Turgeon - Claude is a proven 30 goal
scorer; did Turgeon even play 30 games with the Habs?
Feel free to add any other dud trades to this list.
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jgeneaux
>1. Russ Courtnall for John Kordic - What was Stellick smoking when he
>pulled that trade???
>
>2. Chris Chelios for Denis Savard - What was Savard smoking here - the
>Habs' power play has gone down the tubes since this trade. (Although
>they still managed to win the Cup).
>
>3. Doug Gilmour & co. for Leeman & co. - This trade truly turned
>around the Leafs fortunes, making them contenders instead of pretenders.
Being a Caps fan I could name a few but here's one.
Dino Ciccarelli for Kevin Miller- Ciccarelli was our leading goal scorer who later
went on to score 40 goals with the Red Wings, while Kevin Miller had no points
in his 1st 10 games was traded. David Poile is a fucking moron. Another, while
it wasn't a trade, was letting Scott Stevens go. As everyone knows he is now
one of the best in the league and a consistent All-Star.
Jeremy
Artur Roytburg
highlights of Dominik Hasek
Traded by Chicago to Buffalo for G Stephane Beauregard and future
considerations, August 7, 1992
I wonder, what did get Chicago get from Buffalo as future considerations
for that trade.
Artur
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Bartley Kives
ST.LOUIS (August, 1981): sends Paul MacLean (RW), Ed Staniowski (G) and
Bryan Maxwell (D) to Winnipeg for Scott Campbell (D) and John Markell (RW).
While Markell never makes the Blues, Campbell, a "promising defenceman,"
retires right after training camp, complaining of headaches.
In Winnipeg, MacLean makes the big leagues for the first time, and
proceeds to have about six 30-goal seasons alongside Dale Hawerchuk.
Maxwell starts on D for three seasons, and Staniowski gets named NHL
player of the week twice in March, 1982.
Yeah, this wasn't a dramatic trade, but it may rank as the most one-sided
flop in NHL history. And it was one of the only things Jets' GM John
Ferguson ever did right.
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Bundy King
To Vancouver:Goeff Courtnall To St.Louis: Dan Quinn
Sergio Momesso Garth Butcher
Cliif Ronning
Robert Dirk
5th rounder
Quinn went to europe after the trade and Butcher is only a goon.
Courtnall and Ronning are solid point a game players; Momesso is
average all-round, and Dirk is almost as good an enforcer as Butcher.
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Alex A Goddard
: I got a good one. I have just read the following from the career
: highlights of Dominik Hasek
Well, Chicago REALLY got Christian Ruuttu, not Beauregard. It worked as
a 3-way deal, Buffalo getting Hasek, Chicago getting Ruuttu and Buffalo's
4th round pick in 1993 (Eric Daze: a 6'4" left winger from Beauport in
the Quebec Major league), and Winnipeg was able to avoiding losing
Beauregard in the expansion draft. Winnipeg got nothing in the deal, really.
Alex
Jason Fraser
between St. Louis and Detroit. I'm sure that other players were
involved, but they were the main two. A year or two after the trade
Federko retired, while Oates made Brett Hull what he is today(or at
least what he was then). Definitely a bad trade.
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The Mad Kobold < Doug Norris >
Vancouver Canucks get: Goaltender Kirk McLean, Center Greg Adams
New Jersey Devils get: C Patrik Sundstrom, 4th-round pick (LW Matt Ruchty)
(Thinking of who my favourite player would be if McLean was still in NJ :-)
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John Bradley
Feel free to add any other dud trades to this list.
I'm going back a few years. In 1977, the Rangers traded Rick Middleton
to the Bruins for Ken Hodge in a effort to rejuvenate Phil Esposito.
Middleton scored over 400 career goals. Hodge lasted about another
season.
The biggest dud must be the trade between Montreal and Oakland that
allowed the Canadiens to draft Guy Lafleur. Sending players to
other teams from the Canadiens to ensure that Oakland had the worst
record adds to the scale of this disaster.
John Bradley
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Bryan Allen Welser
Ronning, Momesso and Dirk for Butcher and Quinn. But how about
Brind'Amour and Quinn to Philly for Ron Sutter and Murray Baron? Still
makes me shudder.
Bryan
DCGPUCK
writes:
As a fan dating back to the original six I can state without any
hesitation that the worst trade of all time was Red Kelly from Detroit to
the Leafs for Marc Reaume. Reaume played about 6 games for Detroit and
Kelly starred for 8 years and 4 Cups. The excuse was Kelly's "retirement"
after refusing to report to the Rangers in a trade for Bill Gadsby- the
real reason is the utter pigheadedness of Jack Adams, the Detroit GM, who
also managed to trade Ted Lindsay, Glenn Hall, Terry Sawchuk and Johnny
Bucyk in the previous three years in return for virtually nothing. It's
been a long dry spell since.
Brett Ball
I think They got Christian Rutuu.
Brett Ball a Rangers Fan in Pens Country.
John Hong
I forgot what was involved with this deal, but it was when the
North Stars had Bobby Smith and traded him to the Canadians for of all
things, little Keith Acton.
Steven Leonard Beishuizen
>4. Cam Neely for Barry Pederson - The Canucks ensured thier place in
>the 80's cellar with this trade.
To make matters worse, this trade also included a first round pick to the
Bruins that turned out to be Glen Wesley.
The Canucks redeemed themselves when they hired Pat Quinn who has made
nothing but good player moves, many of them lobsided including aquiring:
Jeff Brown, Kirk McLean, Greg Adams, Geoff Courtnall, Cliff Ronning etc.
Barnes Darren L
: March 1991:
: To Vancouver:Goeff Courtnall To St.Louis: Dan Quinn
: Sergio Momesso Garth Butcher
: Cliif Ronning
: Robert Dirk
: 5th rounder
:
: Quinn went to europe after the trade and Butcher is only a goon.
: Courtnall and Ronning are solid point a game players; Momesso is
: average all-round, and Dirk is almost as good an enforcer as Butcher.
agreed. there is no statute of limitations for this trade.
although i think oyu overate ronning and courtnall, and underate butcher,
there is no denying this is the biggest rip of all time.
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Dion LOY
BE> pick to the Bruins that turned out to be Glen Wesley.
You know, this is definitely the worst trade in Canuck's history, but it
might have been a blessing in disguise. With Cam gone, we were sunk to the
bottom of the league for most of the '80s, and as a result, came up with two
very impressive draft picks : Trevor Linden and Petr Nedved. Perhaps our
present success could be attributed to Neely and Wesley =).
BE> nothing but good player moves, many of them lobsided including
BE> aquiring: Jeff Brown, Kirk McLean, Greg Adams, Geoff Courtnall,
BE> Cliff Ronning etc.
I still think we should put a plaque, or better yet, a statue of Ron Caron
up in GMPlace. Without his foolish trading tactics, we wouldn't have the
team we have now :
Courtnall, Ronning, Momesso, Brown, Hedican, Lafayette, Dirk (departed),
and whatever other ex-St. Louis player I've forgotten.
If we can only draft better (Libor Polasek and a host of other dead trees
lately) ... <sigh>.
Neal Lavon
This isn't actually a trade but it ended up like one. The Caps don't
want to pay Dino Ciccarelli's salary so they *trade* him to Detroit
for Kelly Miller's brother, Kevin Miller, a guy who scored something
like 27 goals for his high.
Miller, under tremendous pressure to score, doesn't cut it Washington
for whatever reason, and is traded to St. Louis about a month later
for, are you ready, Paul Cavellini(sp?), who was with the Caps once
before. Cavellini plays a mediocre season for the Caps and then is
given away in the expansion draft to some team like Florida.
So, Dino Ciccarelli, whose only crime was he wanted to be compensated
for taking the punishment in front of the net that he was getting for
his 40 or so goals a year, in effect, is given away to an expansion
team with the Caps getting nothing in return except money saved on his
salary which is then presumably given to defensive forward Kelly
Miller, who gets something like a million five for two seasons to
score maybe 20 goals and play a defensive role.
Oh, yes, and then the Caps complain about low scoring....
Robert Young
up being involved in trades that hurt the Rangers: Kevin Miller and their
best player, Curt Ridley, to the Caps for disgruntled Bobby Carpenter, who
ends up doing nothing in N.Y. and then is sent packing to L.A. for
soon-to-be-retired Marcel Dionne (although it was interesting, if
unproductive, having Dionne and Guy LaFleur on the same Ranger team for a
while, about ten years too late). That trade drained the Ranger
organization for years, being Phil Esposito's most damaging and stupid
move, among several. Then in the next regime, brother Kevin, off to a
great start in his career, goes to Detroit in a goals-for-fists trade for
broken-knuckled Joey Kocur, a move which makes absolutely no sense,
especially if you consider the later fists-for-goals trade of Tie Domi and
Kris King for some washed-up Winnipeg Jet whose name I can't even
remember. Domi and especially King were more effective (and interesting)
players than Kocur, and Kevin Miller better than whats-his-name.
I really think that Neil Smith is overrated as a GM; it was those
trading- deadline deals, engineered by Kennan, that put NY over the top.
(I also don't like the Kennan-compensation deal: even if Nedved turns out
to be a 40-goal scorer, Tikkanen is invaluable in the playoffs, and
Lidster played really well in the finals, especially when Beukeboom got
hurt: it looks like Kennan has outfoxed Smith again.)
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> This isn't actually a trade but it ended up like one. The Caps don't
> want to pay Dino Ciccarelli's salary so they *trade* him to Detroit
> for Kelly Miller's brother, Kevin Miller, a guy who scored something
> like 27 goals for his high.
>
> Miller, under tremendous pressure to score, doesn't cut it Washington
> for whatever reason, and is traded to St. Louis about a month later
> for, are you ready, Paul Cavellini(sp?), who was with the Caps once
> before. Cavellini plays a mediocre season for the Caps and then is
> given away in the expansion draft to some team like Florida.
>
> So, Dino Ciccarelli, whose only crime was he wanted to be compensated
> for taking the punishment in front of the net that he was getting for
> his 40 or so goals a year, in effect, is given away to an expansion
> team with the Caps getting nothing in return except money saved on his
> salary which is then presumably given to defensive forward Kelly
> Miller, who gets something like a million five for two seasons to
> score maybe 20 goals and play a defensive role.
>
> Oh, yes, and then the Caps complain about low scoring....
Michael J. Ronemus
: (a bunch of stuff about the Kevin Miller trade)
: especially if you consider the later fists-for-goals trade of Tie Domi and
: Kris King for some washed-up Winnipeg Jet whose name I can't even
: remember. Domi and especially King were more effective (and interesting)
: players than Kocur, and Kevin Miller better than whats-his-name.
: I really think that Neil Smith is overrated as a GM; it was those
: trading- deadline deals, engineered by Kennan, that put NY over the top.
: (I also don't like the Kennan-compensation deal: even if Nedved turns out
: to be a 40-goal scorer, Tikkanen is invaluable in the playoffs, and
: Lidster played really well in the finals, especially when Beukeboom got
: hurt: it looks like Kennan has outfoxed Smith again.)
The Winnipeg Jet you are referring to is Ed Olczyk, a decidedly
unKeenan-like player who despite playing only a fraction of games
last season and contributing nothing to the successful Cup run has
remained a Ranger. Why they've held on to him is a mystery to me,
especially after acquiring Nedved and Kovalev's demonstrated effectiveness
as a center; I suspect Neil Smith has some sort of misguided faith in
him. I agree with your assessment of Keenan's trading deadline moves and
the Nedved for Tikkanen/Lidster compensation "deal;" Nedved will NEVER be
a dominant player and has no chance of living up to Smith's "120 or
130,pts./year..." expectations. Without Keenan, there would have been no
Cup in Manhattan, and it will be a long time 'til the Rnagers win it
again, lockout notwithstanding.
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Barnes Darren L
: Of course, by far the worst in recent Blues history was Courtnall,
: Bryan
actually i liked the brind'amour trade.
sure rod is better than ronnie and baron combined, but we got rid of quinn!
Barnes Darren L
: What about the Adam Oates for Bernie Federko trade a few years ago
: between St. Louis and Detroit. I'm sure that other players were
: involved, but they were the main two. A year or two after the trade
: Federko retired, while Oates made Brett Hull what he is today(or at
: least what he was then). Definitely a bad trade.
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the blues also got some one else. . . .paul maclean? he had a couple 40 goal seasons with the blues.
and hull and oates made each other.
KEVIN LEONARD TAYS
Impastato Salvatore
> Date: Wed, 14 DEC 1994 06:17:06 GMT
> From: KEVIN LEONARD TAYS <kt9...@badger.ac.BrockU.CA>
> Newgroups: rec.sport.hockey
> Subject: Worst Trades
>
>
>
>
Worst trade of all time Courtnall for Kordic. As a Habs fan, I miss Ballard.
Cordial Boy
Close to it. The Leafs came way way way ahead on that deal. As soon as
Kordic won his first fight he contributed more to the Leaf team's cause
then Candy-Ass has contributed to all teams in his NHL "career".
cordially, as always,
rm
Tom Holly
Why does Cordial Boy ;-) think Courtnal was a "Candy-Ass"? What
makes him a Candy-Ass.
I'm not here to argue with you, [heck, I may even agree], but you
seem to be saying this alot about Russ Courtnal. He may not check, but
does that him a "Candy-Ass"? I doubt it, unless the Gretzky is also a
"Candy-Ass".
Tom
yesguy - using tin
gived up, I can't even remeber.
Another has to be the trade between the maple Leafs and the
Canadiens where it broke down to Kordic for Courtnall.
Finally theres the final trade that sucks.... the players give up
a rookie salary cap and the owners still want a luxury tax. (yikes, these
dam negotiations are always on my mind)
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Stephen M DePascale
|> One of the worst has to be the Neely to Boston for whoever they
|> gived up, I can't even remeber.
|>
Kurt Vile
> Bryan Allen Welser (bawe...@artsci.wustl.edu) wrote:
> : Of course, by far the worst in recent Blues history was Courtnall,
> : Ronning, Momesso and Dirk for Butcher and Quinn. But how about
> : Brind'Amour and Quinn to Philly for Ron Sutter and Murray Baron? Still
> : makes me shudder.
>
> : Bryan
>
> actually i liked the brind'amour trade.
> sure rod is better than ronnie and baron combined, but we got rid of quinn!
>
the worst/best trade in a while (me being a leafs man)
was the grant "gimmie a line" fuhr for douggie gilmour
et all else that was envolved in that trade - the leafs
got a great player and the sabres got a played out goaltender...
oh well at least it makes of for the amazingly long string
of the leafs trading their best player for the worst player
in the leauge
shall we start listing s/horrid maple leaf trades of the eighties?
:)
ahhh the memorys of Harlod "I hate europeans" Ballord
--Kurt
Doug Deutsch
>
> was the grant "gimmie a line" fuhr for douggie gilmour
> et all else that was envolved in that trade - the leafs
> got a great player and the sabres got a played out goaltender...
Wasn't it Andreychuk that came from Buffalo for Fuhr? I thought Gilmour
came from Calgary...
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Garry Holmen
: was the grant "gimmie a line" fuhr for douggie gilmour
: et all else that was envolved in that trade - the leafs
: got a great player and the sabres got a played out goaltender...
Perhaps you meant Fuhr for Andreychuk? Gilmour came to the Leafs from
Calgray for Gary Leeman (one of the greatest under-achievers I can think of
of late... besides Klima.)
Garry
MROZ
>
>the worst/best trade in a while (me being a leafs man)
>
>was the grant "gimmie a line" fuhr for douggie gilmour
>et all else that was envolved in that trade - the leafs
>got a great player and the sabres got a played out goaltender...
Psst, you who calls yourself a "leafs man" is smoking big bags of crack.
Do you have a clue?
Fuhr went to the Sabres for Handsreychuk and Puppa.
Gilmour came to the Leafs in the blockbuster trade with Calgary with
Manderville, Natress, Macoun and Argh-I-can't-remember-it's-2:15-in-the
morning-fuck! for Petit, Leeman, Reese, Godunyuk and Berube (the only one
I missed).
Now THAT was the steal. Gilmour (the magician) and Macoun (the sniper :) )
for the Leafs' shoddsters.
So "leafs man", go back to smoking crack.
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Nathan Daniel
> Kurt Vile <vi...@il.us.swissbank.com> wrote:
> >
> >the worst/best trade in a while (me being a leafs man)
> >
> >was the grant "gimmie a line" fuhr for douggie gilmour
> >et all else that was envolved in that trade - the leafs
> >got a great player and the sabres got a played out goaltender...
> Psst, you who calls yourself a "leafs man" is smoking big bags of crack.
> Do you have a clue?
> Fuhr went to the Sabres for Handsreychuk and Puppa.
Don't forget Kenny Johnsson. As I remember, Future Watch (last year)
was very high on him, and he made the leafs this year.
I don't know what the Sabers will get for Fuhr when they trade him,
but I don't think it will make them feel any better. (especially
seeing Buffalo's defense right now)
> Gilmour came to the Leafs in the blockbuster trade with Calgary with
> Manderville, Natress, Macoun and Argh-I-can't-remember-it's-2:15-in-the
> morning-fuck! for Petit, Leeman, Reese, Godunyuk and Berube (the only one
> I missed).
> Now THAT was the steal. Gilmour (the magician) and Macoun (the sniper :) )
> for the Leafs' shoddsters.
> So "leafs man", go back to smoking crack.
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