Re: Al Gore - BBC

[John Smith]

On 9/18/2011 1:52 AM, dxAce wrote:
> I'm currently listening to Al Gore being interviewed on the BBC at 0845. Al is
> just as mentally ill as he has been for years. The interviewer doesn't seem to
> be very far behind.
>
> This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
> Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
> government(s) taxing folks.
>
> Program name is apparently 'One Planet'. With Al on, best to rename it 'One
> Kook'.
>

As cavemen hunkered down around their campfires, the fire pit released
voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide. As forest fires raged across
lands, voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide was, and still is, released.
As yeasts convert sugars into ethanol, voluminous amounts of carbon
dioxide are release to produce the boozed consumed, planet wide. From
bacteria in the soil, to birds, cattle, humans, elephants, whales, etc.,
voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide are released. As vegetation rots
in the depths of the seas, on the forest floors, on high mountain tops,
voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide are release ... it has been
harmless for time immemorial.

It is harmless to life, indeed, it is a VERY necessary plant food ...

Now the crooks want to make money off of it, great. But, I can't
imagine anyone but your common idiots, morons, imbeciles, crooks, etc.
supporting such out right criminal schemes.

Now, you talk about the poisons spewed from an autos exhaust, the brain
damage caused by such pollution, the increased risk of cancers, these
poisons permeating into ground waters, living organisms and coating the
planet, and, I CAN GET UPSET ...

Indeed, next time you are in your auto and cruising down the freeway,
realize that you are immersed in a stream of these toxins. You
air-conditioning is NOT removing them, you are breathing these toxins,
absorbing them into your body, they are imbedding themselves in your
bones and teeth, measurable amounts are introducing themselves into your
brain and nervous system, etc.

And, try to realize how some might consider you insane for showing upset
over harmless carbon dioxide while you are soft-killing yourself with
such toxins ... but worrying about the insignificant ...

Regards,
JS

[JohnJohnsn]

On Sep 20, 10:38 am, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/18/2011 1:52 AM, dxAce wrote:
>
>> I'm currently listening to Al Gore being interviewed on the BBC at 0845. Al is
>> just as mentally ill as he has been for years. The interviewer doesn't seem to
>> be very far behind.
>
>> This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
>> Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
>> government(s) taxing folks.
>
>> Program name is apparently 'One Planet'. With Al on, best to rename it 'One
>> Kook'.
>
> As cavemen hunkered down around their campfires, the fire pit released
> voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide.  As forest fires raged across
> lands, voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide was, and still is, released.
>   As yeasts convert sugars into ethanol, voluminous amounts of carbon

> dioxide are release to produce the booze consumed, planet wide.  From

> bacteria in the soil, to birds, cattle, humans, elephants, whales, etc.,
> voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide are released.  As vegetation rots
> in the depths of the seas, on the forest floors, on high mountain tops,

> voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide are released ... it has been

> harmless for time immemorial.
>
> It is harmless to life, indeed, it is a VERY necessary plant food ...
>
> Now the crooks want to make money off of it, great.  But, I can't imagine
> anyone but your common idiots, morons, imbeciles, crooks, etc.
> supporting such out right criminal schemes.
>
> Now, you talk about the poisons spewed from an autos exhaust, the brain
> damage caused by such pollution, the increased risk of cancers, these
> poisons permeating into ground waters, living organisms and coating the
> planet, and, I CAN GET UPSET ...
>
> Indeed, next time you are in your auto and cruising down the freeway,
> realize that you are immersed in a stream of these toxins.  You
> air-conditioning is NOT removing them, you are breathing these toxins,
> absorbing them into your body, they are imbedding themselves in your
> bones and teeth, measurable amounts are introducing themselves into your
> brain and nervous system, etc.
>
> And, try to realize how some might consider you insane for showing upset
> over harmless carbon dioxide while you are soft-killing yourself with such
> toxins ... but worrying about the insignificant ...

One thing here, John: in many {most?} areas, the.modern automobile's
emission systems actually have made the exhaust cleaner than the air
being injested by the engine.

[John Smith]

On 9/20/2011 9:46 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:

> ...
> One thing here, John: in many {most?} areas, the.modern automobile's
> emission systems actually have made the exhaust cleaner than the air
> being injested by the engine.

ROFLOL ...

Imbeciles ... who wants to save them, they are best left to their own
devices and dead ... frees us from the problems they generate ... MORON!

Carbon MONOXIDE, nitrates, sulphates, etc. in the auto exhaust are VERY
BAD ... but I wouldn't mind morons dying from them ...

Regards,
JS

[JohnJohnsn]

You're living in the past, John.

Compare your "knowledge" with that of Scientists:

Catalysis, Theory and Applications
January 2002
Paul C. J. Kamer and Gadi Rothenberg

CATALYTIC PURIFICATION OF EXHAUST GASES IN INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES
Supplementary information compiled by E. K. Poels and D. S. Brands
...
http://www.science.uva.nl/~gadi/pdf_files/Exhaust_gases_purification.pdf

Even this information is nine years old now; but it tells the tale you
don't want to admit to be true.

"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin
to clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because
Liberals are so stupid it is easy work."
— Steven M. Barry

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're
ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
— Ronald Wilson Reagan

[John Smith]

You mean, you didn't read the last smog report on your auto, THIS TIME
READ IT!

Just this:
http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/gas.htm

THIS TAKEN FROM ABOVE SITE:
"MTBE (methyl tertiary-butyl ether) is a chemical compound that is
manufactured by the chemical reaction of methanol and isobutylene. MTBE
is produced in very large quantities (over 200,000 barrels per day in
the U.S. in 1999) and is almost exclusively used as a fuel additive in
motor gasoline. It is one of a group of chemicals commonly known as
"oxygenates" because they raise the oxygen content of gasoline. At room
temperature, MTBE is a volatile, flammable and colorless liquid that
dissolves rather easily in water."

And, here is what is wrong with it:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/question347.htm

Yanno'? I am for the killing/hanging and murdering of all
"al-gore-heads", if you see me coming, RUN!!!!

Regards,
JS

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message
news:j5b2n6$cbg$2...@dont-email.me...

Ok, show us anyone that has died from such a leakage.

[RHF]

- One thing here, John:  in many {most?} areas, the.modern
automobile's
- emission systems actually have made the exhaust cleaner than the air
- being injested by the engine.

Now there is an actual evolved 'clean/cleaner-air
reality : Cars as Polluted Air Cleaners

who'da thunk ~ RHF
.
.

[RHF]

> And, here is what is wrong with it:http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/questi...

>
> Yanno'?  I am for the killing/hanging and murdering of all
> "al-gore-heads", if you see me coming, RUN!!!!
>
> Regards,
> JS

The USA's MTBE use was circa the 1990s; and
Corn base Ethanol Mix is the reality of 2010s.
.
.

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
This is NOT the HOPE you have been searching for.

---
LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?

[JohnJohnsn]

Didn't see "MY auto" in there, John; did you see YOURS?!? <snicker>

>THIS TIME READ IT!
>
> Just this: http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/gas.htm
>
> THIS TAKEN FROM ABOVE SITE:
>
> "MTBE (methyl tertiary-butyl ether) is a chemical compound that is

> manufactured by the chemical chemical reaction of methanol and isobutylene.

Why is it used?

MTBE has been used in U.S. gasoline at low levels since 1979 to
replace lead as an octane enhancer (helps prevent the engine from
"knocking"). Since 1992, MTBE has been used at higher concentrations
in some gasoline to fulfill the oxygenate requirements set by Congress
in the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments. (A few cities, such as Denver,
used oxygenates (MTBE) at higher concentrations during the wintertime
in the late 1980's.)
-Ibid.

Thanks for pointing out that the GOVERNMENT's mandating the use of
methanol and MTBE causes air pollution. <snicker>

It's known as "The Law of Unintended Consequences."

Many (most?) fuell addatives _are_ government-mandated.

> MTBE is produced in very large quantities (over 200,000 barrels per day
> in the U.S. in 1999) and is almost exclusively used as a fuel additive in
> motor gasoline. It is one of a group of chemicals commonly known as
> "oxygenates" because they raise the oxygen content of gasoline. At room
> temperature, MTBE is a volatile, flammable and colorless liquid that
> dissolves rather easily in water."
>
> And, here is what is wrong with it:

> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/questi...

>
> Yanno'?  I am for the killing/hanging and murdering of all
> "al-gore-heads", if you see me coming, RUN!!!!

Microbes fight gas additive
Contamination: A combination of bacteria and oxygen shows promise in
cleaning up ground water polluted by MTBE.
By Timothy B. Wheeler
Baltimore Sun Staff

PORT HUENEME, Calif. -- Almost hidden by a low stockade fence, an
unassuming tangle of white plastic pipe and metal tanks on the parade
ground of a Navy base here could revolutionize cleanup of one of the
nation's most vexing environmental messes.

The West Coast home of the Seabees, Port Hueneme (why-KNEE-me) is a
major staging area for the naval engineers, with sprawling parking
lots for their vehicles and hardware. Like many military bases, this
1,600-acre complex sits above ground water that has been contaminated
-- in this case with a mile-long plume of a gasoline additive called
methyl tertiary butyl ether, or MTBE.

Scientists say they hope their system -- which uses bacteria to devour
the chemical -- could trim millions of dollars and decades from the
current costly, time-consuming cleanups.
...
http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.ms.treat12jul12,0,2031565.story

[dave]

Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.

[dave]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:27:49 -0700, RHF wrote:

>
> Now there is an actual evolved 'clean/cleaner-air reality : Cars as
> Polluted Air Cleaners
>
> who'da thunk ~ RHF
> .

I have a PZEV car.

[RHF]

On Sep 21, 5:34 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:42:22 +0000, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:
>
> >http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
> >    This is NOT the HOPE you have been searching for.
>
> > ---
> > LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?

- Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.

Dave -wrt- Obama There Is NO Confusion
More-Spending + Higher-Spending = Massive Over-Spending !
More Taxes + Higher Taxes = Obama Tax-Slavery© !

O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Ass Mistake America !
http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
.
Obama 2008 - Fool Me Once : Shame On You !
-versus-
Obama 2012 - Fool Me Twice : Shame On Me !
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/145b6dede6d75e9a
.
Here Is The Question : Will the same good people
who Voted for "BO" {Obama} in 2008 to Prove that
They Were Not RACISTS :
Now Vote for Anybody But "BO" {Obama} in 2012
to Prove that They Are Not IDIOTS !
.
Obama 2008 - Fool Me Once : Shame On You !
-o.b.a.m.a.-one-big-ass-mistake-america-!-
.
Obama 2012 - Fool Me Twice : Shame On Me !
-don't-shame-yourself-by-voting-'bo'-again-
.
May soon to be former us prez-a-duntz Obama
live a long and prosperous life as an "EX"
Prez-A-Duntz - Amen ~ RHF
.
-or- Have These Sick {Deluded} People Join
'The Cult of The-Obama' and be Actively Working
for the Re-Elect Obama bi-Den© in 2012 !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7b6c4c7197b2de72
-just-say-'no'-to-the-cult-of-the-obama-!-
http://elwoodin.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/darth_obama.jpg
=Wake=Up=America=!=
.
.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

Those Czechs know how to build cars, don't they? :>

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

RHF

> On Sep 21, 5:34 am, dave

>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:42:22 +0000, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
>> >    This is NOT the HOPE you have been searching for.
>>
>> > ---
>> > LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?
>
> - Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.
>
> Dave -wrt- Obama There Is NO Confusion
> More-Spending + Higher-Spending = Massive Over-Spending !
> More Taxes + Higher Taxes = Obama Tax-Slavery© !
>
> O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Ass Mistake America !
> http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5yhxqkJiAQ&feature=player_embedded
OBAMA's TRUTH SQUADS ministering to your pension, 401k and wages.
-- they're the one's wearing masks.




The only thing necessary for EVIL to prosper is
for Good Men to do Absolutely Nothing.



http://www.amazon.com/Roots-Obamas-Rage-Dinesh-DSouza/dp/1596986255
The Roots of Obama's Rage


The real Obama is a man shaped by experiences far different from those
of most Americans; he is a much stranger, more determined, and
exponentially more dangerous man than you’d ever imagined. He is not
motivated by the civil rights struggles of African Americans in the
1960sthose battles leave him wholly untouched. He is not motivated by the
socialist or Marxist propaganda that hypnotized a whole generation of
wooly minded academics and condescending liberals those concepts also
leave him cold.

What really motivates Barack Obama is an inherited rage an often
masked, but profound rage that comes from his African father; an
anticolonialist rage against Western dominance, and most especially
against the wealth and power of the very nation Barack Obama now leads. It
is this rage that explains the previously inexplicable, and that gives us
a startling look at what might lie ahead.

In The Roots of Obama’s Rage you’ll learn: Why Obama’s economic
policies are actually designed to make America poorer compared to the rest
of the world Why Obama will welcome a nuclear Iran Why Obama sees America
as a rogue nation worse than North Korea The real reason Obama banished a
bust of Winston Churchill from the White House and ordered NASA to praise
the scientific contributions of Muslims Why Obama would like to make
America’s superpower status a thing of the past

Stunning, provocative, original, and telling no one has better
diagnosed who Obama is, what he intends to do, and why he poses an
existential threat to America than Dinesh D’Souza in The Roots of Obama’s
Rage.




http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-
private-enterprises-obama-business-problem.html
How Obama Thinks

[RHF]

-wrt- "PZEV"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_zero-emissions_vehicle
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/06q3/2007_ford_focus_pzev-car_news/gallery
.

[Howard Brazee]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:34:45 -0500, dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:

>Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.

True, but there aren't any Republican presidents of the past who would
(if they were reincarnated and were running for president today), pass
the Tea Bagger tests of conservative values.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

Howard Brazee

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:34:45 -0500, dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
>>Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.
>
> True, but there aren't any Republican presidents of the past who would
> (if they were reincarnated and were running for president today), pass
> the Tea Bagger tests of conservative values.

The NEED for a Leader to follow
is NOTHING BUT a Weakness to Overcome.

LIBs. What price their Vision?
----
LIBs plead for a Morality which holds COMPROMISE as its standard of
Value, making it possible to judge Virtue on the basis of the number of
Values which one is willing to Betray.

"it is wrong to believe that if security is embraced,
liberty is sacrificed."
Janet Napolitano'10

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/163419.jpg
CLOWN

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/photo/2010/05/28/PH2010052804712.jpg
LIB

[John Smith]

Somehow you have missed the cancer deaths worldwide ... huh, you may
wish to keep up with current news more often ... that these deaths are
every growing in number, per capita?

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Huh, what are they using the millions of gallons being produced for?
Don't tell me they have made it a new additive in our drinking water?

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Kinda makes you want to wrap your lips around an exhaust pipe and start
taking deep breaths, don't it?

One thing, they have made the toxins and poisons almost odorless,
tasteless -- in all reality "invisible" to the avg person.

Since morons, such as those supporting their own poisoning, here, have
demonstrated, if you can't see it, it can't hurt kill you ...

But then, there are people with real backgrounds in the sciences who
know better ... it is just unfortunate that the morons support of their
own deaths and diminished health has dire consequences for those ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

ROFLOL!!!

I love morons, they are funny ... but, it could just be the drugs which
make them humorous.

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Why are the criminals who have made it into our public servant office of
president NEVER assassinated? nixon ... regan ... clinton ... bush ...
obama ... all being notable examples.

Regards,
JS

[D Peter Maus]

MTBE has been replaced by ethanol in many states. Mandated by law.
Among many reasons, for its toxicity. That, and ethanol does the same
thing for less money.

In fact, ethanol was recommended as an anti-knock compound in the
20's, but Rockefeller would not ceed 10% of the nations' gas tanks to
farmers or other non Standard-Oil production. This is where tetraethyl
lead came from. Anti-knock, produced by an amalgamation of GM, E.I.
DuPont and Standard Oil...the Ethyl Corporation.

Had Rockefeller not prevailed, there woud never have been lead in
gasoline, as it's never really been needed. Prior to introduction of
leaded gasoline, engine castings were harder, containing more nickel.
Valve recession was not a problem, and today, still isn't among drivers
of Studebaker, Nash, Hudson and some early AMC models, which still use
the high nickel castings.

But the inclusion of lead in gasoline, solved three problems for the
auto industry. 1) leaded gas allowed cheaper castings for manufacturers,
2) end of pre-ignition engine knock, 3) preclusion of non-Standard Oil
products in gasolines.

Had ethanol been used at the outset, none of the problems of leaded
gas, valve seat recession, and production of many toxic exhaust
chemicals would never have existed. And MTBE would never have been created.

Now, this isn't to say that ethanol is the end-all to our problems,
it's not. But as an anti-knock compound, and oxygenation additive, it's
an elegant, and non toxic solution. And it has replaced MTBE in gasoline
in many, if not most, regions.

Your information, while correct, is somewhat outdated.

One other thing. While the rest of the gasoline producing petroleum
industry was embracing tetraethyl lead, one company, American Oil,
resisted. And, American Oil gasolines, rebranded AMOCO, before
acquisition by Standard Oil, never had lead. Using a variety of other
additives to control engine knock. And doing it at lower cost per gallon.

[D Peter Maus]

Absurdity doesn't serve your arguments. Much of the MTBE, as with
the volume of tetraethyl lead, is shipped overseas where both are still
used in gasoline.

[D Peter Maus]

Your information is out of date.

[JohnJohnsn]

>> Kinda makes you want to wrap your lips around an exhaust pipe and start
>> taking deep breaths, don't it?
>
>> One thing, they have made the toxins and poisons almost odorless,
>> tasteless -- in all reality "invisible" to the avg person.
>
>> Since morons, such as those supporting their own poisoning, here, have
>> demonstrated, if you can't see it, it can't hurt kill you ...
>
>> But then, there are people with real backgrounds in the sciences who
>> know better ... it is just unfortunate that the morons support of their
>> own deaths and diminished health has dire consequences for those ...
>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
>  Your information is out of date.

"John Smith" is living in the past, so to him it's "up to date,"
<snicker>

"The ultimate result of shielding men from the
effects of folly is to fill the world with fools."
-- Herbert Spencer (1891)

[JohnJohnsn]

> Huh, what are they using the millions of gallons being produced for?
> Don't tell me they have made it a new additive in our drinking water?

Still living in the past, John.

Production and properties

MTBE is manufactured via the chemical reaction of methanol and
isobutylene. Methanol is derived from natural gas, and isobutylene is
derived from butane obtained from crude oil or natural gas, thus MTBE
is derived from fossil fuels. In the United States, it was produced in
very large quantities (more than 200,000 barrels per day in 1999)
during its use as a fuel additive.
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_tert-butyl_ether

What part of "WAS PRODUCED" do you not understand?

Legislation and litigation in the U.S.
...
MTBE is banned in the US states of California and New York. MTBE
consumption, banned the chemical starting January 1, 2004, and as of
September 2005, twenty-five states had signed legislation banning
MTBE.
...
In 2000, the U.S. EPA drafted plans to phase out the use of MTBE
nationwide over four years.
...
--Ibid.

[John Smith]

It is important not to let morons go wild with facts and figures, they
are not just a danger to themselves, but to everyone, including
yourself, also.

Here is a chart of MTBE production in the USA, to date:
http://www.cs-grainmarketconsulting.com/tools/Ethanol%20Production%20and%20Use%207-28-11.pdf

It is important to note that these are for USA. Since most production
of most products/chemicals/equipment/etc. has declined and gone to
foreign production, one would be on firm ground if suspecting the same
for MTBE.

Also, in countries such as china meaningful facts and figures are hard
to come by and of questionable worth and accuracy.

And, it would be wise to realize, MTBE released anywhere in the world is
a danger to us here. Just as the sulfur, nitrous oxides, heavy metals,
toxic chemicals/compounds, radiation, etc. introduced into the
atmosphere find there way onboard USA shores, so does MTBE ...

On, simply, in a nutshell, one would have to have the facts and figures
of MTBE production, use, etc. worldwide to make a correct appraisal of
the dangers presented to us here ... one thing I am certain of, when
still employed in industry and privy to these facts and figures, and
people whose job it was to know these facts and figures, there was not a
water source on the planet which did not contain some miniscule trace of
MBTE ...

But, I do NOT find it any more comforting that we are now pumping sugars
and food though our gas tanks ... I would think only morons escape the
obvious and probably dangers/repercussions of that/those dangerous
practice(s.) If there were no hunger in the world, no starvation, no
shortages and future shortage of the fertilizers necessary for food
production, over use of toxic chemicals, herbicides, pesticides, etc.,
being deployed in this lunacy ... perhaps I could reconsider ... until
then, it is just another form of soft-kill which makes some rich and
some dead ...

Regards,
JS

[Horva...@net.net]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:34:45 -0500, dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote this
crap:

>> LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?
>
>Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.

Bullshit. He's further left than Castro.


Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

[D Peter Maus]

These are production figures. Made in USA, yes. But use...that's a
different story. From your own document, here:



"MTBE monthly usage was 1,821 thousand barrels, which was up 31.2%
from 1,388 thousand barrels per month a year ago, and up from 1,733
thousand barrels per month last month. The MTBE usage includes 1,382
thousand barrels that were exported, versus 1,780 thousand barrels
exported last month."


Of the 1821 thousand barrels produced, 1780 thousand barrels were
exported. Leaving 41 thousand barrels remaining in the US. Of that, some
is use, some is reserved stock.

The point being, and the point documented, according to your own
figures, that ethanol has replaced MTBE in the US as the dominant
oxygenation compound in gasoline. And it's use has been cut by a couple
orders of magnitude.

Again, you seem to be arguing outdated data.

> Also, in countries such as china meaningful facts and figures are
> hard to come by and of questionable worth and accuracy.
>
> And, it would be wise to realize, MTBE released anywhere in the
> world is a danger to us here. Just as the sulfur, nitrous oxides,
> heavy metals, toxic chemicals/compounds, radiation, etc. introduced
> into the atmosphere find there way onboard USA shores, so does MTBE
> ...
>
> On, simply, in a nutshell, one would have to have the facts and
> figures of MTBE production, use, etc. worldwide to make a correct
> appraisal of the dangers presented to us here ... one thing I am
> certain of, when still employed in industry and privy to these facts
> and figures, and people whose job it was to know these facts and
> figures, there was not a water source on the planet which did not
> contain some miniscule trace of MBTE ...

There's no air anywhere on the planet that doesn't contain a
measureably trace of cigarette smoke, either. So?

>
> But, I do NOT find it any more comforting that we are now pumping
> sugars and food though our gas tanks ... I would think only morons
> escape the obvious and probably dangers/repercussions of that/those
> dangerous practice(s.) If there were no hunger in the world, no
> starvation, no shortages and future shortage of the fertilizers
> necessary for food production, over use of toxic chemicals,
> herbicides, pesticides, etc., being deployed in this lunacy ...
> perhaps I could reconsider ... until then, it is just another form
> of soft-kill which makes some rich and some dead ...

Corn is a food, indeed. And a good chunk of production of corn is
going into non-food products. That's true. But the amount going into
gasoline is less than that going into plastic packaging, Duracell and
Energizer batteries, many adhesives, body powders, Bounce dryer sheets,
breath sprays, charcoal briquettes, chicken, instant coffee, contact
lens solution, dental fillings and cements, the wax on fresh fruits and
vegetables, hair products, Herbal Essence products, hand lotions, paper
containers, pesticide powders, pickles, plastic food containers, rice,
soaps, diswashing detergents, suntan lotions, and toothpaste. To name a few.

Much corn is produced specifically for non-food applications. There
are hybrids dedicated to these applications which are not suitable as
food for humans. Or many animals. And these hybrids are not planted by
growers producing food.

The dangers of which you speak are becoming irrelevant every day, as
more industrial corn is planted, reducing the diversion of food into non
comestible products.

Again, you seem to be arguing data out of date. And ad-homs at that.

[JohnJohnsn]

On Sep 21, 2:39 pm, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/21/2011 10:19 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/11 11:49 , John Smith wrote:
>
>>> On 9/20/2011 3:18 PM, Scout wrote:
>

>>>> "John Smith" <bit_buc...@gmx.com> wrote in message

>>>>>http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/questi...

7/28/11
C&S Grain Market Consulting
Monthly Ethanol and MTBE Production

>http://www.cs-grainmarketconsulting.com/tools/Ethanol%20Production%20and%20Use%207-28-11.pdf
>
> It is important to note that these are for USA.  

"The devil's in the details," John; and the details show you are
either misunderstanding what you read, or are lying pout your ass!

From your very own source comes:

"MTBE monthly usage was 1,821 thousand barrels, which was up 31.2%
from 1,388 thousand barrels per month a year ago, and up from 1,733
thousand barrels per month last month. The MTBE usage includes 1,382
thousand barrels that were exported, versus 1,780 thousand barrels
exported last month."

--Ibid.

That means 76% of the production was exported (to-wit: OCONUS) "this
month" and 102% was exported "last month."

"Do you want to change your bullshit story, sir?"
--Deputy US Marshal Sam Gerard

"Come on, don't give us none of your bullshit stories huh?...I'm
pretty much ODing on all your bullshit stories!"
--Jake Fratelli

[John Smith]

Sounds like something of importance, until you realize that we are ever
increasingly importing GASOLINE, not oil to produce the gasoline from,
but finished product, so again, you would have to know how much MTBE was
in the imported gasoline, in foreign production/use, etc. ...

The use of MTBE, under scrutiny, will find a million ways to escape that
scrutiny ... it is obvious, what practices have been done in the past,
will be repeated now and into the future ... a main tool of criminals is
obfuscation and "the shell game."

And, like I said, until we know the production and use of MTBE
worldwide, we can't even begin to fathom if the MTBE in our ground water
will be diminishing, or not ... or, in the arctic ice caps, glaciers,
ocean waters, etc.

Anyway you cut it, any fancy obfuscations you wish to hang on it,
automobiles are the single largest cause of pollution, DUH!:
http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/05-autos.pdf

... and this doesn't even take into consideration any additives which
may, or may not, be present in it.

I personally add "Mystery Oil" to every tank of my gas, it lubricates
the over head valves, valve guides, rings, cylinder wall, cleans
injectors, fuel pump, etc. ... greatly increasing the octane by slowing
burn and decreasing "knock", etc. ... plus a good dose of Berrymans'
Chemtool every couple of tanks or two ... my neighbor drop a few
mothballs in every tank to stop knock and burn regular in their auto
which requires premium gas ... since I don't buy the more expensive
techroline gas from chevron, there is about an ounce of tolulene in
every tank I burn ... when the companies "junked" the gas, we who like
high performance engines responded with fixes ...

Regards,
JS

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5d4jp$1qg$2...@dont-email.me...

Cool, and you can show me those cancer deaths were caused by leakages of
MTBE from storage tanks in the USA?

Otherwise, your just flapping your lips.

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5dku5$qj2$1...@dont-email.me...

Yea, and it should also be noted that the Gasoline imported is RAW Gasoline
without additives. See the Additive package isn't added until it's being
loaded on the truck for shipment to the retailer.

So, once again, your information is somewhat lacking in applicability.

[D Peter Maus]

On 9/21/11 16:27 , John Smith wrote:


> Sounds like something of importance, until you realize that we are ever
> increasingly importing GASOLINE, not oil to produce the gasoline from,
> but finished product, so again, you would have to know how much MTBE was
> in the imported gasoline, in foreign production/use, etc. ...
>

In a word...none. Gasoline is imported in a raw state. That is,
without additives. It is the raw distillate from the refinery. It is
also, in fact, undifferentiated by brand. It is only 'gasoline.' And the
same gasoline goes into every tank. The difference is that each brand,
each grade, has its own, proprietary, additives. Which will include
xylenes, ethanol, dyes, and combustion rate inhibitors. Those are added
at the depot. But they are not included in the imported gasoline.

So, we know precisely how much MTBE is in imported gasoline--Zero.

[John Smith]

When you present a site, this will be believable, until then, we have
your word ... important to your mother, I am sure, but you can
understand how the rest of us will require more ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Again, any "facts" someone points out, with verification, would be great
to take a look at ... and consider ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Yes, those are the figures ... for the USA ... and as you pointed out,
they are my very own figures OF MTBE PRODUCTION IN THE USA, repeated to
me with your BS statements ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

You mean that you question that MTBE is a carcinogen? That it does not
cause cancer?

Why don't you just verify it yourself, it is well documented ... if you
mean because any single death cannot be linked to its' use or presence,
you are an imbecile ... but then, you already knew that and found it
acceptable, else we would not have seen such a BS question/statement.

That is very much like, "Can you prove the high mercury levels in fish
are killing anyone?" Or, "Can you prove it is the high radiation
released by the jap meltdown has/is/will cause cancer in anyone?"

Frankly, don't your realize only morons ask such question or attempt to
base "proofs" on them? -- if not, what is the point of anyone discussing
anything with you ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

I missed the worldwide production figures as to how much is being
produced today ... indeed, they seem difficult to find ... would you
mind reposting them so I can see it is no longer a problem?

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

And, the updated barrels produced, worldwide, since most of our
production and manufacturing is not done there, is, where?

Regards,
JS

[Moderate]

<Horva...@net.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:34:45 -0500, dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote this
> crap:
>
>>> LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?
>>
>> Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.
>
> Bullshit. He's further left than Castro.
>

He is all over the map. He is more hawkish than Bush. He is simply
unqualified to be President.

[John Smith]

On 9/21/2011 10:22 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

Let me be more blunt, out-of-sight-out-of-mind-idiots do not impress me ...:

"In 2006, due to litigation and liability fears, the blending of MTBE
into gasoline in the United States was discontinued. The European Union,
in contrast to the United States, has affirmed the continued use of
ethers in gasoline blending. The Middle East continues as a large
producer and consumer of MTBE. Also, South America (excluding Brazil),
Mexico, and a large portion of Asia continue to be consumers of MTBE.
Europe, South America, and Asia all support a continued
global market for ethers in the gasoline pool, affording several major
MTBE producers in the USA to continue to operate as export-only
facilities. In addition, there are numerous world-scale
MTBE plants in the Middle East and Asia that service this global market.
The current global production capacity is estimated to be approximately
18 million metric tons per year."

http://jordan-associates.com/Ethers_Study_2010/2010%20Ethers%20Prospectus%20Package.pdf

However, your "BS willingness" to simply dismiss anything you don't
"feel" is correct is duly noted, however, the credibility of what you
have to say suffers, greatly, for it ... but, look around, there is/are
and abundance of such idiots as yourself -- indeed, that may be the real
problem, in a nutshell ... and, apparently, your moronic buddies seem to
think fact and truth is simply a matter of such unfounded beliefs ...

Regards,
JS

[JohnJohnsn]

>>>http://www.cs-grainmarketconsulting.com/tools/Ethanol%20Production%20...

>
>>> It is important to note that these are for USA.
>
>> "The devil's in the details," John; and the details show you are
>> either misunderstanding what you read, or are lying pout your ass!
>
>>  From your very own source comes:
>
>> "MTBE monthly usage was 1,821 thousand barrels, which was up 31.2%
>> from 1,388 thousand barrels per month a year ago, and up from 1,733
>> thousand barrels per month last month. The MTBE usage includes 1,382
>> thousand barrels that were exported, versus 1,780 thousand barrels
>> exported last month."
>> --Ibid.
>
>> That means 76% of the production was exported (to-wit: OCONUS) "this
>> month" and 102% was exported "last month."
>
>> "Do you want to change your bullshit story, sir?"
>>   --Deputy US Marshal Sam Gerard
>
>> "Come on, don't give us none of your bullshit stories huh?...I'm
>> pretty much ODing on all your bullshit stories!"
>> --Jake Fratelli
>
> Yes, those are the figures ... for the USA ... and as you pointed out,
> they are my very own figures OF MTBE PRODUCTION IN THE USA,
> repeated to me with your BS statements ...

WE "produce"; SOMEONE ELSE "uses:" too simple a concept for you to
understand, John?

See if you can "compress" (ISJ <g>) this, John:

"MTBE is now banned from use in gasoline in the USA, due to studies
that revealed it causes groundwater contamination and cancer,
primarily due to leakage from underground storage tanks."

"Several countries outside the USA still continue to use MTBE in
gasoline."
...
"MTBE is no longer allowed in gasoline dispensed at public gas pumps"
...
http://www.fueltestkit.com/ethanol_mtbe_vs_non_alcohol_gas.htm

So, John; feel free to seek out those "several (other) countries and
try to get them onboard. <snicker>

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5do0p$dnr$1...@dont-email.me...

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070310153645AAy4LET

Additive packages are added to the mix when pumped into the tanker for
delivery to the retailer. Until then it's all just raw unadulterated
gasoline as it comes from the refinery.

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5do46$dnr$2...@dont-email.me...

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070310153645AAy4LET

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5doji$hlh$1...@dont-email.me...

Attempt to evade noted.

> Why don't you just verify it yourself, it is well documented ... if you
> mean because any single death cannot be linked to its' use or presence,
> you are an imbecile ... but then, you already knew that and found it
> acceptable, else we would not have seen such a BS question/statement.

Diversion noted.

> That is very much like, "Can you prove the high mercury levels in fish are
> killing anyone?" Or, "Can you prove it is the high radiation released by
> the jap meltdown has/is/will cause cancer in anyone?"

Attempt to change the subject is noted.

> Frankly, don't your realize only morons ask such question or attempt to
> base "proofs" on them? -- if not, what is the point of anyone discussing
> anything with you ...

I take it then you can't show the deaths you claim?

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5dpth$pl4$1...@dont-email.me...

<snip>

So it's no longer really a serious issue in the USA anymore then is it.

Oh, and this would also seem to confirm that the gasoline we import doesn't
have MTBE either.

So what problem are you trying to solve?

So clearly your comments to him doesn't really apply since the thing you're
bitching about, isn't being used generally in gasoline anymore.

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

John Smith
>
> Why are the criminals...


Why shouldn't the Guilty be Rewarded?
Why shouldn't the Innocent be Punished?
Why shouldn't the Mediocre, the Unworthy, the Depraved
be CHAMPIONED on the basis of their DEPRAVITY?




Of *COURSE* he feels your pain, that's precisely what it's for!


This is Clinton's Bridge to the 21st Century.
A Glasnost to Terror the Likes of which the world has never seen.
---
LIBs. What Price their Vision?










http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/being-obama_591426.html
Being Obama

What makes President Obama’s executive passivity so interesting is that it
seems to be a symptom not of policy uncertainty, but of personal
narcissism. The president is free to delegate the tasks of the president
because he’s already done the important job of simply showing up.

...

President Obama never tires of inserting himself into measurement of the
world around him.
...

When people don’t appreciate how important the job of being Barack Obama
is, our president can get a little testy. “As time passes, you start
taking it for granted that a guy named Barack Hussein Obama is president
of the United States,” he told a group of donors in March. “But we should
never take it for granted. . . . I hope that all of you still feel that
sense of excitement and that sense of possibility.” Last November he met
with Afghanistan’s president, Hamid Karzai, who began his remarks by
thanking the president for setting the “tone right” for their talks.
Obama huffed, “That was my goal. Every once in a while, I do things
right.” ...


Bill Clinton’s vanity was that he wished he could have been at the center
of a world historical event. Barack Obama’s vanity is that he believes he
is a world historical event. And the greatness of his being dwarfs any
necessity to establish greatness through action. That’s why, despite his
passivity as president, we’re likely to see a much more vigorous Obama in
the coming months as he switches from governing to campaigning. However
ambivalent he may be about leading the country, arguing for the
indispensability of Barack Obama is the one project that has always
commanded his full attention.


History repeats itself, first as Tragedy (Clinton), then as FARCE (OBAMA).



   If a President of the United States
   ever lied to the American people he should resign.
       -- William J. Clinton, 1974



        "We'll always be a AAA nation".
                        BARACK OBAMA'11


IMPEACH BARACK OBAMA. PERIOD.

[D. Peter Maus]

Your eloquence seems to know few limits.

[Gray Guest]

dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote in
news:BOudnVGC3bd4ROTT...@earthlink.com:

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:42:22 +0000, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:
>
>> http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
>> This is NOT the HOPE you have been searching for.
>>
>> ---

>> LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?
>
> Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.
>

Since the libs love him and the right hates him, I would say "Not in this
reality".

--
Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.

[Howard Brazee]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:57:39 GMT, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
<ExPre...@au.revoir.gov> wrote:

>What makes President Obama’s executive passivity so interesting is that it
>seems to be a symptom not of policy uncertainty, but of personal
>narcissism. The president is free to delegate the tasks of the president
>because he’s already done the important job of simply showing up.

Yes, he has allowed generals to run wars - very different from Carter
who micro-managed the country.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

[Howard Brazee]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:19:35 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:

>> Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.
>>
>
>Since the libs love him and the right hates him, I would say "Not in this
>reality".

The liberals don't love him. Liberals feel betrayed by him.

The right hate by labels. Hollywood is evil - unless an actor is a
Republican. Democrats are evil socialists by definition.

[Scout]

"Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
news:b97l77h8rfjvmit9a...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:19:35 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
> <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.
>>>
>>
>>Since the libs love him and the right hates him, I would say "Not in this
>>reality".
>
> The liberals don't love him. Liberals feel betrayed by him.
>
> The right hate by labels.

Apparently so do you.

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

Howard Brazee

> On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:57:39 GMT, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
>

>>What makes President Obama’s executive passivity so interesting is that
it
>>seems to be a symptom not of policy uncertainty, but of personal
>>narcissism. The president is free to delegate the tasks of the president
>>because he’s already done the important job of simply showing up.
>
> Yes, he has allowed generals to run wars - very different from Carter
> who micro-managed the country.

or STALIN!

When Josef Stalin was on his deathbed he called in two likely successors,
to test which one of the two had a better knack for ruling the country.

He ordered two birds to be brought in and presented one bird to each
of the two candidates. The first one grabbed the bird, but was so afraid
that the bird could free himself from his grip and fly away that he
squeezed
his hand very hard, and when he opened his palm, the bird was dead.

Seeing the disapproving look on Stalin's face and being afraid to repeat
his rival's mistake, the second candidate loosened his grip so much that
the bird freed himself and flew away.

Stalin looked at both of them scornfully. "Bring me a bird!" he ordered.
They did. Stalin took the bird by its legs and slowly, one by one,
he plucked all the feathers from the bird's little body.

Then he opened his palm. The bird was laying there naked,
shivering, helpless. Stalin looked at him, smiled gently and said,
"You see... and he is even thankful for the human warmth coming out of my
palm."

Why shouldn't THINGS be taken from you in the name of the Common Good?
Why shouldn't those who Govern have Rights that you as citizen do not
in order for them to administer such a program?

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=826&kaid=85&subid=65
A World Safe For Socialism

A World Safe for Socialism is one where anyone can get away
with anything in the name of gov't, where everything is
owned by everyone and enjoyed by none.

Bill Clinton should be remembered for
delivering on EXACTLY PRECISELY what he promised:

"to leave now we would send a message to terrorists
and other potential adversaries around the world that
they can change our policies by killing our people.
It would be open season on Americans."
-- Bill Clinton '93
just before he pulled out of Somalia.

History repeats itself first as Clinton Tragedy, then as OBAMA FARCE!

To abandon this area now -- and to rely only on efforts against
alQaeda from a distance -- would significantly hamper our ability to
keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and create an UNACCEPTABLE RISK of
additional attacks on our homeland and our allies.
-- OBAMA'09

This is Clinton's Bridge to the 21st Century.

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/109562.jpg
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/100294.jpg

A bridge which is no bridge, because it spans no river.
A legacy which is no legacy, because it embodies no legitimacy.
A world which is no world, because no one's rights are secure.

DESERVE PEACE.
DESERVE FREEDOM.
DEMAND COMPETANCE.
DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY.
DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY. IMPEACH OBAMA.

LIBs. What price their Vision?
----
IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

[arthr...@webtv.net]

> >http://jordan-associates.com/Ethers_Study_2010/2010%20Ethers%20Prospe...

>
> > However, your "BS willingness" to simply dismiss anything you don't
> > "feel" is correct is duly noted, however, the credibility of what you
> > have to say suffers, greatly, for it ... but, look around, there is/are
> > and abundance of such idiots as yourself -- indeed, that may be the real
> > problem, in a nutshell ... and, apparently, your moronic buddies seem to
> > think fact and truth is simply a matter of such unfounded beliefs ...
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
>

>    Your eloquence seems to know few limits.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

He is a stereo-typical Infidel. Period.

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

Howard Brazee

> On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:19:35 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
>

>>> Don't confuse Obama for a Liberal. He is center-right.
>>>
>>
>>Since the libs love him and the right hates him, I would say "Not in
this
>>reality".
>
> The liberals don't love him. Liberals feel betrayed by him.

...


BETRAYAL is the sine qua non of Liberalism.


As OBAMA prepares for the repeat of 911 to unify his base
and to squelch all meaningful opposition what else can
we say except:
Pity for the Guilty is TREASON to the Innocent.

IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

LIBs seek equivocation with an evil
which has no justification, nor does it seek any.
And that's exactly-precisely what they will get.

This is Clinton's Bridge to the 21st Century.

"I have advocated engagement with our enemies"
-- Hillary'07.

I believe in evil and I think that there
are evil people in the world.
-- Hillary'93


It would be wrong to cut off contact with the terror group just because
they may have killed people "in a way that we hate."
-- Bill Clinton'06


---
LIBs plead for a Morality which holds COMPROMISE as its standard of
Value, making it possible to judge Virtue on the basis of the number of
Values which one is willing to Betray.






http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38884
Conduct Unbecoming Part I

Over the next two years, however, my experiences in the Clinton White
House turned my gratitude and awe into shock, revulsion, and sorrow as
I experienced the cavalier and self-serving way Clinton went about the
business of running our country. I wrote my first book, Dereliction of
Duty, documenting our former President's contempt for the military, his
indifference to important issues except insofar as they served his own
political or personal purposes, and his failure to accept his
responsibilities as our commander-in-chief. Indeed, it is my sincere
belief that the dereliction of duty and negligence of Bill Clinton
paved the way for the tragic events and deaths of September 11, 2001.


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38893
Obama’s Secret Link to Hamas, Part II

At the time I left my position in the Clinton White House I certainly
couldn’t have imagined we’d elect anyone more inept than Bill Clinton.
Nor could I have predicted that just seven years after we’d been
attacked and gone to war, we’d elect the most radical left-wing
president in our nation’s history. Few seem to have noticed, until
recently, that Barack Obama is inclined to dispense with the key
precepts our forefathers valued: a robust defense of American
sovereignty and our national interest for one; limited government for
another; fiscal prudence for a third.

DESERVE PEACE.
DESERVE FREEDOM.
DEMAND COMPETANCE.
DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY.
DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY.

IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

THE CONSEQUENCE OF GOOD MEN DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IS ALL TO CLEAR.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 03:57:56 GMT, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
<ExPre...@au.revoir.gov> wrote this crap:

>
>
>Why shouldn't THINGS be taken from you in the name of the Common Good?

Because that is stealing?

>Why shouldn't those who Govern have Rights that you as citizen do not
>in order for them to administer such a program?

Then those people would be gods? Isn't that what gods do?

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

[RHF]

All this from someone who claims :
"I personally add "Mystery Oil" to every tank of my gas, it lubricates
the over head valves, valve guides, rings, cylinder wall, cleans
injectors, fuel pump, etc. ... greatly increasing the octane by
slowing
burn and decreasing "knock", etc. ... plus a good dose of Berrymans'
Chemtool every couple of tanks or two ... my neighbor drop a few
mothballs in every tank to stop knock and burn regular in their auto
which requires premium gas ... since I don't buy the more expensive
techroline gas from chevron, there is about an ounce of tolulene in
every tank I burn ... when the companies "junked" the gas, we who like
high performance engines responded with fixes ...
Regards,
JS "

"Mystery Oil" & Berrymans' Chemtool" & "Tolulene"
"we who like high performance engines responded
with fixes ..."

Yeah 'The Fix' That Kills The Planet ~ RHF
-you-are-what-you-burn-'junk'-gas-
.
.

[John Smith]

Pride in "moronism" noted ... seems to be an abundance of that today ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

I love it when morons attempt to argue "wrong to right", it is funny,
expensive to the morons, and often the moron ends up spouting tons of
more moronic BS -- and wondering why everyone is laughing and in such
good humor ... :-)

You'll know it when you see it ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Yes, will be confusing to some, others, not so much ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Did I ever mention cave men only produced carbon dioxide, table scraps,
obsidian chips, etc. from their life activities and manufacturing
industries, etc. -- in a perfect world, we would be cave men!

Regards,
JS

[BAR]

In article <cscl77ho96q3aij7p...@4ax.com>, Horvath1758
@net.net says...

>
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 03:57:56 GMT, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
> <ExPre...@au.revoir.gov> wrote this crap:
>
> >
> >
> >Why shouldn't THINGS be taken from you in the name of the Common Good?
>
> Because that is stealing?

Therein lies the problem with not defending our borders, yet we bitch
about people breaking and entering our homes. The burglar was just
trying to make a better life for himself and his family.

> >Why shouldn't those who Govern have Rights that you as citizen do not
> >in order for them to administer such a program?
>
> Then those people would be gods? Isn't that what gods do?

We threw off the shackles of accidents of birth when we split with
George III.

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5fmjl$ghl$1...@dont-email.me...

You're proof of that.

Anyway, still not seeing cites from you.

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5fmr9$ghl$2...@dont-email.me...

Yep, you made a comment to a person living in the USA, and then when it was
shown you're full of it....you attempt to argue "wrong to right".

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/160688.jpg

Supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
Rev. Jay Scott Newman'08, on OBAMA.

LIBs. What Price their Vision?

---
The NEED for a Leader to follow should be
considered nought but a weakness to overcome.
MEET THE NEW BOSS... WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN?

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[Frisbieinstein]

On Sep 20, 11:38 pm, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 9/18/2011 1:52 AM, dxAce wrote:
>
> > I'm currently listening to Al Gore being interviewed on the BBC at 0845. Al is
> > just as mentally ill as he has been for years. The interviewer doesn't seem to
> > be very far behind.
>
> > This whole global warming/climate change shtick still seems to revolve around
> > Al making some money, and, clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist
> > government(s) taxing folks.
>
> > Program name is apparently 'One Planet'. With Al on, best to rename it 'One
> > Kook'.
>
> As cavemen hunkered down around their campfires, the fire pit released
> voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide.  As forest fires raged across
> lands, voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide was, and still is, released.
>   As yeasts convert sugars into ethanol, voluminous amounts of carbon

> dioxide are release to produce the boozed consumed, planet wide.  From

> bacteria in the soil, to birds, cattle, humans, elephants, whales, etc.,
> voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide are released.  As vegetation rots
> in the depths of the seas, on the forest floors, on high mountain tops,

> voluminous amounts of carbon dioxide are release ... it has been

> harmless for time immemorial.
>
> It is harmless to life, indeed, it is a VERY necessary plant food ...
>
> Now the crooks want to make money off of it, great.  But, I can't
> imagine anyone but your common idiots, morons, imbeciles, crooks, etc.
> supporting such out right criminal schemes.
>
> Now, you talk about the poisons spewed from an autos exhaust, the brain
> damage caused by such pollution, the increased risk of cancers, these
> poisons permeating into ground waters, living organisms and coating the
> planet, and, I CAN GET UPSET ...
>
> Indeed, next time you are in your auto and cruising down the freeway,
> realize that you are immersed in a stream of these toxins.  You
> air-conditioning is NOT removing them, you are breathing these toxins,
> absorbing them into your body, they are imbedding themselves in your
> bones and teeth, measurable amounts are introducing themselves into your
> brain and nervous system, etc.
>
> And, try to realize how some might consider you insane for showing upset
> over harmless carbon dioxide while you are soft-killing yourself with
> such toxins ... but worrying about the insignificant ...
>

> Regards,
> JS

A troll?

[John Smith]

Naaa, just killing off moron old wives tales with truth and science ...
but some do confuse it ...

Regards,
JS

[dave]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 02:06:32 +0000, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:

> http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/160688.jpg
>
> Supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
> Rev. Jay Scott Newman'08, on OBAMA.
>
>
>
>
> LIBs. What Price their Vision?
> ---
> The NEED for a Leader to follow should be considered nought but a
> weakness to overcome. MEET THE NEW BOSS... WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN?

The President is the guy who signs bills into law and has other
presidents over for dinner. What's the big deal?

[MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE]

dave

A: OBAMA was the first $BILLION candidate who spent $1Billion/hour in the
first 100 days of office accomplishing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.


If it is Peace that you want, it is Dictatorship you must oppose;
if it is WAR that you wish to prevent, it is the expropriation of
private capital you must oppose. War, in fact, is only possible
when the wealth of the nation is held by it's leaders rather than
rightly used by its citizens.


OBAMA having presided over the single largest expropriation in the
history of History guarentees a WAR BEYOND ALL HISTORICAL PRECIDENT.
Has he disappointed in this respect? and it's not over yet.
NOBEL PEACE PRIZE MY ASS...

DESERVE PEACE.
DESERVE FREEDOM.
DEMAND COMPETANCE.
DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY.

DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY. IMPEACH OBAMA.

LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?

---
http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg

DEBTSTAR:: This is NOT the HOPE you have been Searching for.

[JohnJohnsn]

You mean like your version of "truth" where MTBE is used in consumer-
available motor fuel in the USA _/TODAY/_?!? <snicker>

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5hlm6$512$1...@dont-email.me...

It would be more effective if you were actually using truth and science
rather than some old wives tales.

[Howard Brazee]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:45:09 -0700 (PDT), JohnJohnsn
<TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're
> ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
>— Ronald Wilson Reagan

That's the trouble with most people on all sides of the political
spectrum.

Here's an article that compares Reagan's tax reform bill with Obama's
proposed tax reform bill.

[Howard Brazee]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:10:45 -0600, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net>
wrote:

>Here's an article that compares Reagan's tax reform bill with Obama's
>proposed tax reform bill.

Adding the missing link:

http://www.politicususa.com/en/reagan-class-warrior

[Scout]

"Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message

news:uu4q77peo80bfeaf4...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:10:45 -0600, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Here's an article that compares Reagan's tax reform bill with Obama's
>>proposed tax reform bill.
>
> Adding the missing link:
>
> http://www.politicususa.com/en/reagan-class-warrior

IMO, in at least one specific case this article is HIGHLY misleading, one
might even say deceitful.

Under Reagan, capital gains tax was LOWERED.

Yet the article makes it sound like the INCREASE proposed by Obama is the
same thing Reagan did.

So right off, I would have to challenge ANY claims made by this article as
likely being twisted, slanted, or outright deception.

[John Smith]

On 9/23/2011 1:10 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:45:09 -0700 (PDT), JohnJohnsn
> <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're
>> ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
>> — Ronald Wilson Reagan
>
> That's the trouble with most people on all sides of the political
> spectrum.
>
> Here's an article that compares Reagan's tax reform bill with Obama's
> proposed tax reform bill.
>

There are just two types of idiots, really. But, they make up a lot of
names for themselves -- democans/republicrats, liberals/conservatives,
right-wing/left-wing, etc.

Then there is the rest of the world, who bothers with anyone who wishes
to engage politics with same mentality on a silly game like football?
Pick a team, root for it, declare yourself a "winner" or "loser" and
watch the same action, on the same field, with just two differently
named teams, again ... and again ... and again ... and again ...

ROFLOL!

But hey, if you can fool enough to never realize it is imbecilic, you
have a lot of imbeciles to pal up with!

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

On 9/23/2011 2:13 PM, J R wrote:
> Denver Ice Core Laboratory.
> Don't worry about that so-called global warming/global change NONSENSE,
> ergo it ISN'T HAPPENING! Looka here ilk, when the dough wears thin
> enough, those STUPID 'Al Gores' out there will begin to wear Off.
>
> Be more CONCERNED about the Ten Most Radioactive Places On Earth,
> although I DO Believe there are much More than Ten.
> http://brainz.org/ten-most-radioactive-places-earth
> cuhulin
>

"Prominent Scientist Tells Congress: Earth in ‘CO2 Famine’

‘The increase of CO2 is not a cause for alarm and will be good for mankind’

‘Children should not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science’

Washington, DC - Award-winning Princeton University Physicist Dr. Will
Happer declared man-made global warming fears “mistaken” and noted that
the Earth was currently in a “CO2 famine now.” Happer, who has published
over 200 peer-reviewed scientific papers, made his remarks during
today’s Environment and Public Works Full Committee Hearing entitled
“Update on the Latest Global Warming Science.”

“Many people don’t realize that over geological time, we’re really in a
CO2 famine now. Almost never has CO2 levels been as low as it has been
in the Holocene (geologic epoch) - 280 (parts per million - ppm) -
that’s unheard of. Most of the time [CO2 levels] have been at least 1000
(ppm) and it’s been quite a bit higher than that,” Happer told the
Senate Committee. To read Happer’s complete opening statement click
here: [Also: See Inhofe Warns of Costs of Massive $6.7 Trillion ‘Climate
Bailout’ & ‘Consensus’ in Collapse: Japanese scientists make ‘dramatic
break’ with UN hypothesis of man-made warming! (UK Register) & $ave the
Planet? ‘Four climate lobbyists for every member of Congress’ - Number
of Lobbyists Up 300% & The Year of the Man-made Global Warming Skeptic ]

“Earth was just fine in those times,” Happer added. :The oceans were
fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So it’s baffling to me that we�re
so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started,” Happer
explained. Happer also noted that “the number of [skeptical scientists]
with the courage to speak out is growing” and he warned “children should
not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science.” "

http://icecap.us/

Never in earth's history have co2 levels been lower ... but then,
Chicken Little got a lot of press too ... and, it worked for the boy who
cried wolf, at least for awhile.

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Manipulate it any way you wish, I posted the facts, the metric tons of
MTBE are still entering the environment and idiots will always attempt
to manipulate facts into saying it is inconsequential ... and it is, if
you die of cancer and NOT me ...

Regards,
JS

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5jdma$l8s$2...@dont-email.me...

Right, like how no car has a factory motor of more than 300kW (ie 400Hp), or
how no car has a motor that produces more than 50HP.

Yea, some real 'facts' there dipshit.

More like utter ignorance and then the stupidity to refuse to accept you're
wrong when the ACTUAL FACTS are presented.

So, don't say you post the facts, because either you don't know the
facts....or you're a liar.

[D. Peter Maus]

Cut him some slack. Few have ever heard of the Viper.

Or the Cobra. Or Dodge Challenger. Or the Corvette Z06. Or ZR1.

Or the standard Corvette.

Or the Porsche Cayenne Turbo.

Or BMW M5. Or M6. Or the M3, for that matter.

Not to mention the Mercedes-Benz SL600.

Or the Aston Martin V8 Vantage. Or the Audi R8.

Or the Nissan GT-R.

> or how no car has a motor that produces more than 50HP.

Sounds like a custom Isetta, there. :)

[John Smith]

On 9/24/2011 5:30 AM, dave wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:53:07 -0500, J R wrote:
>
>> If Al Gore told y'all 'believers' in his Sheet to JUMP, y'all would say,
>> How far and how high?
>> cuhulin
>
> That's how republicans relate to their "leaders". Al Gore is just another
> hippie. We all know the environment has been irretrievably damaged.
> President Gore's mistake was pretending facts matter to the Great
> Brainwashed.

There are real dangers and destruction, the jap meltdown, the releases
of radiation here, the false flag operations and fear mongering, TSA's
perverted assaults on your family and yourself, raising the "safe"
levels of toxins in our environment, dumping of toxins, trash, human
waste, etc. into the worlds oceans ...

Carbon dioxide levels are just a scam where people are into your pocket
book to steal your money, if not for Co2 levels we would all starve to
death, it is the carbon cycle with sunlight and elements which provide
plants which feed every living organism on the planet ...

People like Al Gore should be shot on the spot, just as an example to
those who would propose and support such diabolical lies and criminal
actions ... end of story.

Regards,
JS

[dave]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 06:43:08 -0700, John Smith wrote:

>
> Carbon dioxide levels are just a scam where people are into your pocket
> book to steal your money, if not for Co2 levels we would all starve to
> death, it is the carbon cycle with sunlight and elements which provide
> plants which feed every living organism on the planet ...
>
> People like Al Gore should be shot on the spot, just as an example to
> those who would propose and support such diabolical lies and criminal
> actions ... end of story.
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mauna_Loa_Carbon_Dioxide.png

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/how-do-we-know-that-
recent-cosub2sub-increases-are-due-to-human-activities-updated/

[John Smith]

Never in history have Co2 levels been lower, that is simply scientific
fact, we are actually in a "Co2 Famine", as this man, elequoently,
points out:

From here:

http://icecap.us/

All we are looking at is the gullibility, ignorance and out-right
stupidity of a large percentage of the uneducated publics' ability to
have religious beliefs which are diametrically opposed to the obvious
truth(s.) In a word, simply, AMAZING! (baffling, outrageous,
unbelievable, etc.)

Regards,
JS

[dave]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:09:26 -0700, John Smith wrote:

>
> “Earth was just fine in those times,” Happer added. :The oceans were
> fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So it’s baffling to me that we�re
> so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started,” Happer
> explained. Happer also noted that “the number of [skeptical scientists]
> with the courage to speak out is growing” and he warned “children should
> not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science.”

Our agriculture is tweaked for a twentieth century climate. Crops are
failing globally. People are dying. More CO2 doesn't mean more crops, it
means more fires and smoke and less vegetation.

[John Smith]

Yeah, but Co2 and "global warming" has nothing to do with it, slash and
burn on rainforests, over farming of the land without replenishing the
necessary nutrients, lack of genetic diversity in the plantings, over
use of pesticides with the accompanying increase in tolerance by "the
bugs", over use of herbicides, lack of clean and ample water supplies,
etc. are what we are looking at ... truth is, with ample water and
nutrients, the sands of the desert would be abundant producers of food ...

Already in the central valley of California, over farming and lack of
care to the land has found the ground becoming unsuitable to crops, so
then trees are planted, the ground further degrades and finally ends up
in the production of grapes ... Co2 and global warming have simply
played no part what-so-ever in this grim tale of rape of the land ...
greed, corruption, ignorance, laziness, etc. ... your standard culprits ...

Regards,
JS

[Scout]

"D. Peter Maus" <dpete...@att.net> wrote in message
news:j5jkdc$mee$1...@dont-email.me...

Sorry, but such ignorance doesn't deserve any slack, particularly when he
later claims he just "posted the facts" in direct contradiction to the
statements already proven to be wrong.

[Scout]

"dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
news:Ls6dnWcK5tLQmePT...@earthlink.com...

Well, then I suggest we need to start adjusting our crops, because when the
Earth decides it's going to release more CO2, there is next to nothing we
can do about it.

We either adopt and move on.....or we die out.

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5l32h$gk7$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 9/24/2011 9:24 AM, dave wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:09:26 -0700, John Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> “Earth was just fine in those times,” Happer added. :The oceans were
>>> fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So it’s baffling to me that we�re
>>> so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started,” Happer
>>> explained. Happer also noted that “the number of [skeptical scientists]
>>> with the courage to speak out is growing” and he warned “children should
>>> not be force-fed propaganda, masquerading as science.”
>>
>> Our agriculture is tweaked for a twentieth century climate. Crops are
>> failing globally. People are dying. More CO2 doesn't mean more crops, it
>> means more fires and smoke and less vegetation.
>
> Yeah, but Co2 and "global warming" has nothing to do with it, slash and
> burn on rainforests, over farming of the land without replenishing the
> necessary nutrients, lack of genetic diversity in the plantings, over use
> of pesticides with the accompanying increase in tolerance by "the bugs",
> over use of herbicides, lack of clean and ample water supplies, etc. are
> what we are looking at ... truth is, with ample water and nutrients, the
> sands of the desert would be abundant producers of food ...

Sure....for awhile.....then you're going to have problems.

> Already in the central valley of California, over farming and lack of care
> to the land has found the ground becoming unsuitable to crops, so then
> trees are planted, the ground further degrades and finally ends up in the
> production of grapes ... Co2 and global warming have simply played no part
> what-so-ever in this grim tale of rape of the land ... greed, corruption,
> ignorance, laziness, etc. ... your standard culprits ...

So in the end, the desert will once again be desert....so what's your point?

See, trying to create an artificial ecosystem isn't likely to produce a long
term viable ecosystem. If for no other reason than because it lacks the
necessary natural cycles to deal with the accumulation of undesirable
products. Such as salt, which exists in the water you're dumping there.
Without enough water to pick up that salt and flush it into the rivers and
streams and then out to sea.....eventually you will have excessive salt in
your soil and it's going to impact your ecosystem.

Welcome to reality.

We created an artificial growing environment, but because it lacks the full
depth of a natural system....it can exist only temporarily.

[John Smith]

You definition of natural is "chance", and simply a spin on probability
and statistics, I see nothing sacred about terra-forming other planets,
other than it would break your definition of "natural."

Today is simply a "screwing-up" of the "natural world" which existed
millions, hundreds of thousands, or even just thousands of years ago --
such as when the nile valley was tropical in nature with serious
rainfall (proof in the water-weathering of the sphinx.

You sweat insignificant detail and attempt to set scale on your own
personal definitions of "natural" or other imagined benchmarks of yours
-- indeed, you are the perfect example of what is wrong with letting
delusional "green people" a voice in human activities.

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

You have this correct ... it would be just as valid to claim this is
just the end of the last ice age, as opposed to this being a "human
caused global warming."

Chicken Little rides again in the form of al gore the tax whore ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

OK, lets see your facts and figures on where the metric tons of MTBE are
going, and that there is NONE in imported gasoline, I asked for these
earlier and have been waiting ... what we are getting is your beliefs,
claims and guesses, not good enough ...

Regards,
JS

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5li4b$kn0$1...@dont-email.me...

Maybe, but it WORKS, and it has for a long time.

Where as what we create by artificial means hasn't stood the test of time.

> and simply a spin on probability and statistics, I see nothing sacred
> about terra-forming other planets, other than it would break your
> definition of "natural."

<yawn>

Is there a point in here somewhere?

> Today is simply a "screwing-up" of the "natural world" which existed
> millions, hundreds of thousands, or even just thousands of years ago --
> such as when the nile valley was tropical in nature with serious rainfall
> (proof in the water-weathering of the sphinx.

Still waiting for you to make a point.

> You sweat insignificant detail and attempt to set scale on your own
> personal definitions of "natural" or other imagined benchmarks of yours --
> indeed, you are the perfect example of what is wrong with letting
> delusional "green people" a voice in human activities.

IOW, no point, nor can refute the point I've made.

[Scout]

"John Smith" <bit_b...@gmx.com> wrote in message

news:j5lidh$kaf$2...@dont-email.me...

Don't know and don't care. You claimed it was going into American cars.
You've been shown to be wrong. Just as you've shown to be wrong our imported
gasoline contains it because we don't import adulterated gasoline. That's
done at the tanker depot when loading to ship out to the retailer...and
you've already been given sites that MTBE has been discontinued in all
gasoline sold at public pumps.

I will simply note, that you claimed you posted the facts, I challenged this
with a few of the things you posted which clearly aren't factual, and now
you're attempting to change the subject.

So why is it we have cars with factory engines that produce an output
greater then 400HP (300kW) when you said there are no such cars?

Why is it that car engines are almost always rated for more than the 50HP
you claimed is the most an automotive engine produces?

How come I can get 300kW of net output electricity from a generator with
only a 449HP engine?

Why is that engine no bigger than those in cars?

Yea, you just post the facts......but apparently your idea of what is
factual has little to do with what they actually are.

[RD Sandman]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:j5ljqo$v25$1...@dont-email.me:

Let's let him explain how little horsepower is needed to move a 2000 lb
vehicle down a quarter mile dragstrip in 8 seconds. I would be
interested in his answer....particularly when it is done with an American
V8. Modified, of course, but still.......

Or to pull a 10,000 lb trailer loaded with another vehicle. Figure 1500
pounds for the empty trailer plus the other vehicle......a Ford 1/2 Ton
pickup. Just the horsepower to get it up a 5% grade while accelerating
from 30 to over 70 mph in less than a half mile. My 388 hp Tundra can do
that.

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

Both politicians and diapers need to be changed regularly..
Often for the same reason.

[Brenda Ann]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:j5ljqo$v25$1...@dont-email.me:

>

> So why is it we have cars with factory engines that produce an output
> greater then 400HP (300kW) when you said there are no such cars?
>
> Why is it that car engines are almost always rated for more than the
> 50HP you claimed is the most an automotive engine produces?
>

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I just looked up the braking HP for a Daewoo Matiz, one of the smallest cars
on the road in Korea. That braking HP is 52. So one of the smallest cars on
the road in the world has more than 50 braking HP. This out of a tiny 800cc
(796) engine. Lots of motorcycles with larger engines than that..

[John Smith]

Yeah, you are just another imbecile that likes to mouth off, no facts,
no research, can't back up their mutterings with real sites, etc.

But then, we already knew that ... perhaps you didn't ... roflol

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

Actually, I said, inferred, etc. that I would suspect waivers are used
and it is still to be found in gas, here, but, you really need to
re-read my text, if you are all that mistaken, I said what I said ...

You are just an argumentative idiot, post some credible info to what you
are saying, else you are just blowing hot air, and most likely, out your
arse ... I didn't make any comments on HP or engine size, other than
that I support and own muscle cars, and feed them a good fuel, no matter
what idiots do, say, rant, etc. ... but it is always like that, idiots
and morons sit around and talk out their arses, the capable just do it ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith]

My Harley Sportster is 1200cc and our Harley touring bike is 1600cc, I
don't even have a clue what the braking HP is, do they actually put that
in a manual?

My last Harley ElectraGlide (1450cc) had 120,000+ miles on it, but I ran
synthetic oil and always added mystery oil to the gas -- the mechanic
couldn't believe the bike was in such condition and sounded so good ...
but he cautioned the couple I was selling it to that, that was a LOT of
miles on a bike that never even had the valves redone! But, I gave 'em
a good deal on it ...

I'd love to see a rice burner do even half of that ...

Regards,
SJ