Counter fall

mockinjay

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Jan 25, 2012, 11:31:19 AM1/25/12

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I was first introduced to the concept of 'counter fall' when attempting to
use "Gravity Golf" many years ago.

I am now an extremely happy user of my modified form of "Stack and Tilt"
and during my last round started tinkering with counter fall and found it
really freed my swing up.

I would be interested to know if any of you consciously apply counter fall
during your swing.

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Dene

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Jan 25, 2012, 12:09:51 PM1/25/12

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Is there a link that explains this concept. Never heard of it.

-Greg

bkn...@conramp.net

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Jan 25, 2012, 12:29:33 PM1/25/12

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:09:51 -0800 (PST), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
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Google counterfall golf. Lots of links there.

BK

mockinjay

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Jan 25, 2012, 1:19:57 PM1/25/12

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To me it is just ever so slightly letting your upper body fall away from
the ball to counter act the pull from the weight of your arms.

I guess it would be like throwing a 'hammer' (track and field) on a much
smaller scale.

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mockinjay

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Jan 26, 2012, 8:56:43 AM1/26/12

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A good explanation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FTaHNE6F3k

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David Laville

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Feb 2, 2012, 7:34:18 PM2/2/12

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All good golfers counterfall, it's known as balance.

David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor

David Laville

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Feb 2, 2012, 7:34:50 PM2/2/12

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:09:51 -0800 (PST), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
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George Hibbard integrated it into his Perfect Impact swing method. The
theory is as the inertia of the club is pulling outward you counteract
it by counter falling backward. It goes on to say that once you get
the hang of the theory you can initiate your down swing as a counter
fall which will increase your swing speed as a counterbalance.

David Laville

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Feb 2, 2012, 7:34:59 PM2/2/12

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:19:57 -0800, "mockinjay"
<a89...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>On Jan 25 2012 11:09 AM, Dene wrote:
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>> On Jan 25, 8:31 am, "mockinjay" <a897...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
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>> Is there a link that explains this concept. Never heard of it.
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>> -Greg
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>To me it is just ever so slightly letting your upper body fall away from
>the ball to counter act the pull from the weight of your arms.
>
>I guess it would be like throwing a 'hammer' (track and field) on a much
>smaller scale.

Good analogy.

kenpitts

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Feb 2, 2012, 9:31:27 PM2/2/12

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I used to take lessons from David Lee, the originator. Have no idea
where he is now. He used to claim he could take a college track
athlete (let's say a javelin thrower) and make a tour player out of
him in a year.

Ken

Dene

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Feb 3, 2012, 12:14:43 AM2/3/12

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Great explanation. There are times I fall into an effortless swing
like he describes. The groove is wonderful and too often, shortlived.
The worst thing is not understanding how I fell into and out of this
groove. Perhaps counterfall is an explanation.

Greg

kenpitts

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Feb 3, 2012, 8:17:44 PM2/3/12

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http://gravitygolf.com/about.asp

That's him. My instructor of the last ten years says, well, he does
not believe in David Lee or his methods.

I used to take lessons from David in a 1000 sq ft office on Vickery
Blvd in Fort Worth. Spent a lot of time hitting ball after ball
hopping on one foot (my left). I weigh about 30 lbs more than I did
then. Probably couldn't do that one any more.

My lifetime golf mentor convinced me to give up on Gravity Golf. He
said I looked ridiculous and I had no idea where the ball was going.

Ken

mockinjay

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Feb 4, 2012, 9:40:19 AM2/4/12

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The key word was consciously.

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kenpitts

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Feb 4, 2012, 9:50:46 AM2/4/12

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I posted elsewhere that I had been with my current instructor for ten
years. It is actually more like 15 years because I was with him during
my best year of 1997.

Previously I went to David Lee here in Fort Worth. Trying to do the
counter-fall resulted in my legs being very over-active. When I got to
my current instructor, he used to call me Elvis, until I got my legs
calmed down.

Lee is a good guy and I am glad he found his niche. Gravity Golf was
just not for me.

Ken

mockinjay

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Feb 7, 2012, 2:53:23 PM2/7/12

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I did all those drill too. For some reason I could really hit it good
when I started with the club above my head.

Golf in instruction is like fishing lures, they catch the fisherman.

There are too many successful homemade swings out there.

Trevino, Floyd, Doyle and ton more.

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mockinjay

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Feb 7, 2012, 3:02:11 PM2/7/12

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It can be over done for sure. I think Stack and Tilt teaches 'tucking
your butt under' which kind of gives you the same affects.

After I wrote the OP, I tried forcing a counterfall and like every other
swing thought, it just got in my way.

Stack and Tilt is different for me. I can think about what I want to do
before the swing, set up like I want and not have all those demons running
through my head during the swing.

FOR ME, it has been a great find. May not be for everyone, but it will be
the fundamental of my swing for the rest of my days.

I have just a few swing thoughts every time.

Weight forward
Relax and don't rush
Hit from the inside (not exaggerated inside, just a red hair inside of
center) For some reason that keeps me hitting them flush.

None of these things seem to inhibit (paralysis through analysis)

Have good day

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