Did Vijay Singh cheat on the European tour?
riles73
Vijay was kicked off the european tour for cheating.
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<riles73...@att.net.invalid> wrote:
>I have heard a rumor, and am attempting to confirm, that
>Vijay was kicked off the european tour for cheating.
http://www.adn.com/sports/golf/98pgachamp/content/081698/adn.61165.html
"By 1982, at age 19, Singh was good enough to try his hand on the
Asian tour. Three years later, during the Indonesian Open, tournament
officials charged that Singh signed a scorecard with one less stroke
than he had made. It cost him his playing privileges for two years, a
stretch of time he will not say much about today."
http://www.theage.com.au/daily/980818/sport/sport2.html
"Having turned professional in 1982, at age 19, Singh was playing in
the Indonesian Open three years later when tournament officials
charged that he had altered his scorecard, signing for one fewer
stroke than he had taken in order to make the cut.
"It cost him his playing privileges on the Asian tour for two years, a
stretch of time he has steadfastly refused to talk about - even after
a poisonous Sports Illustrated profile on him, which dredged up his
past indiscretions, appeared last August.
"When asked about the article during the Australian Open at
Metropolitan last November, all Singh would say was: 'What they wrote
wasn't true. They took it out of context. That really hurt me a little
bit, but you cannot cry over it forever.'"
Mark Blake
riles73 <riles73...@att.net.invalid> wrote:
> I have heard a rumor, and am attempting to confirm, that
> Vijay was kicked off the european tour for cheating.
>
no he did not. the cheating thing has never been proved, he signed a
scorecard in asia for a lesser score than he had.
if he did that deliberately or not nobody will probably ever know,
becuase the intention cannot be proved. (unless he confessed?)
so Vijay signs a wrong scorecard and is labeled a cheat for life
de Vicenzo does it and is only labelled a 'stupid'
go figure......
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>Vijay was kicked off the european tour for cheating.
>
Singh received a 2 year suspension from the Indonesian PGA for allegedly
laundering his card in an Indonesian PGA Tour event in 1983. Singh has always
strongly denied the charge, claiming that his marker incorrectly marked the
card & that disqualification would of been a reasonable penalty. Unfortunately
in these circumstances, when a player signs for a lower score than the actual
one, the accusation levelled is one of cheating. As opposed to signing for a
higher score, in which case all sympathize with you [you get the score you
signed for]. Perhaps that's why the Golf Gods looked favorably upon Vijay at 11
& 12 on Sunday. I'd like to think so.
M.T. Hunt
with that day and he said it was deffinitely true.
In my mind everybody makes mistakes. A lesson hard-learned, I'm sure.
mth
Mark Blake wrote:
>
> In article <0e24bef6...@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com>,
> riles73 <riles73...@att.net.invalid> wrote:
> > I have heard a rumor, and am attempting to confirm, that
> > Vijay was kicked off the european tour for cheating.
> >
>
> no he did not. the cheating thing has never been proved, he signed a
> scorecard in asia for a lesser score than he had.
>
> if he did that deliberately or not nobody will probably ever know,
> becuase the intention cannot be proved. (unless he confessed?)
>
> so Vijay signs a wrong scorecard and is labeled a cheat for life
> de Vicenzo does it and is only labelled a 'stupid'
>
> go figure......
>
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Will
riles73 <riles73...@att.net.invalid> wrote:
> I have heard a rumor, and am attempting to confirm, that
> Vijay was kicked off the european tour for cheating.
>
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Jim Rutledge, a Victoria BC pro, used to play the Asian tour and was in
Singh's group that day. Rutledge says that the scoreboard showed Vijay
one better than he was, and that Vijay attempted to hand in a scorecard
to affirm that error, which would of course give Vijay a stroke. He
got caught. Rutledge uncategorically has stated that it was
intentional on Vijay's part.
I have heard that Singh isn't the most popular guy within the Tour. i
wonder if this is merely do to cultural differences, or if this has
something to do with it.
Joseph N. Hall
and over doesn't make it any more relevant or interesting to me.
The Vijay Singh I've seen on tour doesn't resemble that, and
until I see his "dark side" emerge, why care.
-joseph
Mark Blake
>
>Jim Rutledge, a Victoria BC pro, used to play the Asian tour and was in
>Singh's group that day. Rutledge says that the scoreboard showed Vijay
>one better than he was, and that Vijay attempted to hand in a scorecard
>to affirm that error, which would of course give Vijay a stroke. He
>got caught. Rutledge uncategorically has stated that it was
>intentional on Vijay's part.
What you are suggesting here is that Vijay altered his scorecard after
the marker had signed it, as that is the only way one could prove
intention on his part.
if it was a simple case of the marker scoring incorrectly it is
impossible to prove intention on his part, and thus impossible to
label him a cheat.
regards
Mark Blake
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Tim F. Ginnett
is probably a stupid question but) do PGA tour players mark their own
scorecards or do they mark the cards for the other player in their
grouping/pairing? Does this differ between stroke and match play?
Will
It wasn't the marker that made a mistake, I believe the way the story
has been told is that the scoreboard was wrong, and Vijay saw that as
the opportunity to gain a stroke. Intentional, not inadvertent.
Will
at my new Ginsus.
In article <38F6D368...@5sigma.com>,
"Joseph N. Hall" <" <news> "@5sigma.com> wrote:
> You know, hearing all the different versions of this story over
> and over doesn't make it any more relevant or interesting to me.
> The Vijay Singh I've seen on tour doesn't resemble that, and
> until I see his "dark side" emerge, why care.
>
> -joseph
>
> Will wrote:
> >
> > In article <0e24bef6...@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com>,
> > riles73 <riles73...@att.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > I have heard a rumor, and am attempting to confirm, that
> > > Vijay was kicked off the european tour for cheating.
> > >
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> >
> > Jim Rutledge, a Victoria BC pro, used to play the Asian tour and
was in
> > Singh's group that day. Rutledge says that the scoreboard showed
Vijay
> > one better than he was, and that Vijay attempted to hand in a
scorecard
> > to affirm that error, which would of course give Vijay a stroke. He
> > got caught. Rutledge uncategorically has stated that it was
> > intentional on Vijay's part.
> >
> > I have heard that Singh isn't the most popular guy within the
Tour. i
> > wonder if this is merely do to cultural differences, or if this has
> > something to do with it.
>
Mark Blake
Will <tigh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <a63efskc3bi5oq9vc...@4ax.com>,
> Mark Blake <joeb...@L7.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:18:48 GMT, Will <tigh...@my-deja.com>,
wrote:
> >
> > >
was
> in
> > >Singh's group that day. Rutledge says that the scoreboard showed
> Vijay
> > >one better than he was, and that Vijay attempted to hand in a
> scorecard
> > >to affirm that error, which would of course give Vijay a stroke.
He
> > >got caught. Rutledge uncategorically has stated that it was
> > >intentional on Vijay's part.
> >
after
> > the marker had signed it, as that is the only way one could prove
> > intention on his part.
> >
> > if it was a simple case of the marker scoring incorrectly it is
> > impossible to prove intention on his part, and thus impossible to
> > label him a cheat.
> >
> > regards
> > Mark Blake
> >
> > Never blame your golfing partner for his bad play, if he was a
better
> golfer, HE would have found a better partner
> > RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/blakem.htm
> >
>
> It wasn't the marker that made a mistake, I believe the way the story
> has been told is that the scoreboard was wrong, and Vijay saw that as
> the opportunity to gain a stroke. Intentional, not inadvertent.
so you mean he altered his scorecard after the marker signed it?
that would constitute blatant fraud "obtaining goods (money) by
deception"
Larry Connor
You mark for your fellow competitor in any tournament I have played other
than some minor club scrambles, etc. This is certainly true at the USGA, R
& A, and Pro tours levels. Watch the scorering tent shots at the next
tournament. You will notice that the player usually tears off a perforated
strip on the bottom of the card. That section is for the player to keep his
own score and compare it to the marker's official card.
As to match play, you don't really keep score. The score on a hole is
irrelavant once it is finished. You are, however, required to give you
opponent correct information about the number of strokes currently take on
the hole.
Larry Connor
"Tim F. Ginnett" <t-ginnett@{NOSPAM}tamu.edu> wrote in message
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Larry Connor
You mark for your fellow competitor in any tournament I have played other
than some minor club scrambles, etc. This is certainly true at the USGA, R
& A, and Pro tours levels. Watch the scoring tent shots at the next
tournament. You will notice that the player usually tears off a perforated
strip on the bottom of the card. That section is for the player to keep his
own score and compare it to the marker's official card.
As to match play, you don't really keep score. The score on a hole is
irrelevant once it is finished. You are, however, required to give you
Will
I'm really not sure of the nuts and bolts of it Mark, and I'm not
familiar enough with scoring methods to illuminate. Rutledge simply
stated that it was no accident. I read this a few years ago in a local
paper, maybe it was even after the 98 PGA, and it was just a two liner
in a column, but stated that Rutlege was firmly of the opinion that it
was a cheat.
I think the problem with the whole situation is that everyone, Vijay
included, or even especially, is very quiet about it and all we tend to
hear is innuendo. I'm surprised no prominent writer investigates it a
little further. Until then, the bunch of us will just blather about.
Joseph N. Hall
>
> Tim,
>
> You mark for your fellow competitor in any tournament I have played other
> than some minor club scrambles, etc. This is certainly true at the USGA, R
> tournament. You will notice that the player usually tears off a perforated
> strip on the bottom of the card. That section is for the player to keep his
> own score and compare it to the marker's official card.
The "my score" section hasn't always been there. I think it's been around
on the PGA Tour since the 70s at least. Other tours, I have no idea.
-joseph
Blades RipRock
> I've never seen OJ's dark side, but I'm not inviting him over to look
> at my new Ginsus.
Oh, I saw them, over and over again. It's those pictures of Nicole with
bruises all over her face which were shown many times. He's evil, pure
evil.
Steve
Larry Connor
score on the bottom of the official card or carried another card. The tour
added it for convenience.
Larry Connor
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Daniel Driscoll
(unoffical) card, they are also taking the official score for their
fellow-competitor. But I have never seen or heard one pro tell another
what he shot. So how does this work, do they actually watch each other
and count themselves? Or do they just quitely tell each other on the
next tee? And what if the marker disagrees or thinks there was a
penalty? And how are discrepencies discovered at the end of the round
resolved, if perhaps player says 70, but the marker says 71?
Larry Connor wrote:
>
> Probably true, I am sure that before it was there the players kept their
> score on the bottom of the official card or carried another card. The tour
> added it for convenience.
>
> Larry Connor
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Truce
<b.pa...@one.net.au> wrote:
>Vijay is no cheat, he is the masters champion
He did cheat at one point in his career. He marked his score one shot
lower than it actually was.
- Truce
Larry Connor
I have played in two USGA qualifiers. We were told specifically each time
as part of our instructions to competitors that it was our obligation to the
rest of the field to keep an accurate score as a marker. We were also told
not to ask the other player what they shot. That would defeat the concept
of an "independent" marker since you would be taking the players word on his
score. Simply let the player mark his own card if you are going to that.
Actually it was pretty easy and I am sure easier for the pros since there
are a lot fewer strokes to keep track of =8^P Once my markee (?) took a
penalty I didn't see, but he informed me at the end of finish of the hole
that he had taken an unplayable in the trees. When the round is finished,
you review the card by comparing the scores to what you recorded for
yourself. Typically you do it like this: No 1, drive, approach in left
bunker, sand shot, two putts, 5, No 2 tee shot on green, one putt, 2, etc.
I assume that if there is a discrepancy between scores, the players resolve
it the same way by reviewing the hole shot by shot. Then, if they cannot
agree, it goes to the committee.
Your final comment about a 70 vs. a 71 brings up an important point. The
marker and the competitor are not responsible for the total. They are only
responsible for the individual hole scores. The committee is responsible
for adding up the total. That is what trapped Roberto DiV at the Masters.
His total was correct since Golby made a mistake in addition and DiV did not
check the individual hole scores.
Larry Connor
"Daniel Driscoll" <NoSpa...@BiteMe.com> wrote in message
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> Pro's mark for each other, correct? So in addition to their own
> (unoffical) card, they are also taking the official score for their
> fellow-competitor. But I have never seen or heard one pro tell another
> what he shot. So how does this work, do they actually watch each other
> and count themselves? Or do they just quitely tell each other on the
> next tee? And what if the marker disagrees or thinks there was a
> penalty? And how are discrepencies discovered at the end of the round
> resolved, if perhaps player says 70, but the marker says 71?
> --
Matt 'Jag' Aamold
cannot prove that he did not. All that you and I 'know' is that his
scorecard was marked one stroke less than he actually had. In the future
you may want to choose your words more carefully.
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Jackie
Singh's behaviour when he visited to play in a sponsored tournament in
the early to mid 1980s. It was said he left owing hundreds of
dollars for international phone calls to the golf club that hosted the
tournament which were never recovered and he was subsequently banned
from playing in a professional tournament in New Zealand for a year.
Whatever the truth of these stories, Vijay Singh has never ever come
back to New Zealand, despite the fact that he has close family living
there (his father, among others, I believe).
Jackie
Mark Blake
>There have always been substantial rumours in New Zealand about Vijay
>Singh's behaviour when he visited to play in a sponsored tournament in
>the early to mid 1980s. It was said he left owing hundreds of
>dollars for international phone calls to the golf club that hosted the
>tournament which were never recovered and he was subsequently banned
>from playing in a professional tournament in New Zealand for a year.
i havent heard that specific one, but when he was very young, he left
one, maybe more considerable debts behind him, maybe in australia.
That is the rumour, however the fact is, that Vijay worked his arse
off and repaid those debts, and did this a long time before he could
afford to do so. Vijay has shown remorse for this and admitted it in
a magazine interview several years ago.
Daniel Driscoll
Thanks for the info, it is nice to get it from someone who has 'been
there, done that'. :-)
Sounds like you really have to be aware of everything your
fellow-competitior is doing, in addition to keeping your own situation
straight.
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Roberto signed his card. DiV's marker was Tommy Aaron.
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Larry Connor
Thanks for the correction. Actually I was debating between Goalby and
Aaron. Obviously I made the incorrect selection.
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I guess I've been there, done that (twice at least). It's really not as
difficult as it may seem. You basically train youself to do it since it is
"part of the job". Twenty years ago when I was playing a lot of competitive
golf, I could go through a completed round and tell you where I hit each
shot, what club I used, etc. I doubt I could do that now. Generally the
only problem comes when your fellow-competitor starts banging it around in
the trees or chunking it in a bunker. At the pro or good amatuer level that
doesn't happen that often. It is certainly easier to keep track of 2's,
3's, and 4's when the player is shooting in the low 70's or high 60's.
Keeping track of a fellow competitors 126 strokes could be a much different
matter 8^).
Larry Connor
"Daniel Driscoll" <NoSpa...@BiteMe.com> wrote in message
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> Larry,
>
> Thanks for the info, it is nice to get it from someone who has 'been
> there, done that'. :-)
>
> Sounds like you really have to be aware of everything your
> fellow-competitior is doing, in addition to keeping your own situation
> straight.
Larry Connor
I think the way I worded this in the first post probably left an incorrect
impression. We were not instructed to keep score in a vacum and never
discuss it with the competitor. You confirmed the score by asking the
competitor, "You took 5 correct?" What we were to avoid was not keeping
track of the cometitor's score and asking, "What did you take on that hole?"
There is a difference even if it is subtle. I am not sure how the pro tours
handle things, but I assume it is basically the same.
Larry Connor
"Larry Connor" <Larry...@mpinet.net> wrote in message news:...
[...]
> We were also told
> not to ask the other player what they shot. That would defeat the concept
> of an "independent" marker since you would be taking the players word on
his
> score. Simply let the player mark his own card if you are going to that.
[...]
Larry Connor
>
charl...@my-deja.com
"Larry Connor" <Larry...@mpinet.net> wrote:
> RSGers,
>
> I think the way I worded this in the first post probably left an
incorrect
> impression. We were not instructed to keep score in a vacum and never
> discuss it with the competitor. You confirmed the score by asking the
> competitor, "You took 5 correct?" What we were to avoid was not
keeping
> track of the cometitor's score and asking, "What did you take on that
hole?"
> There is a difference even if it is subtle. I am not sure how the pro
tours
> handle things, but I assume it is basically the same.
i'm pretty sure the pros keep their own score. however, they know who
made what so they can determine who has the honor on the next tee. i
don't think a pro has to attest another pro's score. i think that's the
purpose of the marker.
charlie
Joseph N. Hall
at Las Sendas without the scorecard. (I am looking at a map to
remind me which hole's which, though, because I played the back nine
first.)
#10. 3 wood, easy 5 wood short and left, up, 2 putt, bogey.
#11. Driver, mid iron, pitching wedge, 2 putt from fringe.
#12. 3 wood, 5 iron into the wind short and right, pitch long,
2 putt, bogey.
#13. 3 wood, 3 iron from rough, pitch, 2 putt, bogey.
#14. 6 iron, 2 putt.
#15. 5 iron, 5 iron, pw, 3 putt from back fringe.
#16. pw, 2 putt.
#17. 3 iron, 5 iron short left, pitch, 2 putt, bogey.
#18. Driver, 9 iron, 2 putt.
#1. 5 iron, mid iron, sand wedge, 2 putt, bogey (sort of).
#2. 9 iron, 2 putt.
#3. 3 wood, 9 iron short, pitch, 2 putt, bogey.
#4. Driver, 8 iron from rough, bounced left, pitch from
rocks/fringe short, flop lipped out, 1 putt, bogey.
#5. 7 iron, 2 putt.
#6. 3 wood, 6 iron, 9 iron, 2 putt.
#7. 6 iron in right bunker, out, 2 putt, bogey.
#8. 3 wood, pw pulled took a big hop, 3 putt, bogey.
#9. Driver, 6 iron, sand wedge into the water (right
into the setting sun-of-a-gun), sand wedge onto
dry land, 2 putt, double.
(Ye gods, what was that, 35 or 36 putts. Waste of a terrific
ball striking day in 2 clubs wind on a hard golf course. Hit
most every putt the way I wanted to, and the ones that didn't
just bounce away, I misread. Maybe I should blame being
paired up with this father-and-hyperactive-son duo for the
first nine. :)
I can usually remember a round for a few days. I can remember
Monday's round just fine. Unfortunately I can remember Sunday's
round just fine too. The only rounds I can't remember are ones
played on nondescript and/or unfamiliar golf courses.
-joseph
Larry Connor wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> I guess I've been there, done that (twice at least). It's really not as
> difficult as it may seem. You basically train youself to do it since it is
> "part of the job". Twenty years ago when I was playing a lot of competitive
> golf, I could go through a completed round and tell you where I hit each
> shot, what club I used, etc. I doubt I could do that now. [...]
Michael Walpole
In twosomes, each player keeps the others score. In threesomes, A
keeps B, B keeps C & C keeps A. Players also keep their own score to
check the score at the end of the round. In addition at the
professional level (PGA Tour, buy.com Tour, ...) there is a walking
scorer who keeps a running score. (How do you think they get all
those cool tour stats and keep the scores updated in realtime?) The
player does sign the markers card to verify it in the scoring tent.
Playing on the tours the players have a real advantage when it comes
to keeping accurate score. Heaven help the D flight of the club
championship if A goes into the woods on the right and B goes into the
woods on the left. Hard to keep track of what you don't see.
If any of the tours come to town consider volunteering to be a walking
scorer. I've done it twice and I certainly learned a lot.
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gusts to 40 mph on greens that were aerated about 10 days previously.
#1 Driver short into left rough, 5W in ront of and left of green, chip
to 15' and 2 putt for a bogey 5.
#2 Driver long into right rough, 9 iron to 10' below the hole, 1st putt
rolled up to hole, then back down and off the green, chipped 2' past
hole, made putt. Bogey 5.
#3 Driver pulled into right rough, 5 wood to fairway, PW to green, 2
putt for par 5.
#4 Driver to left side of fairway, 2 iron to right of green, chip to 4',
1 putt for par 4.
#5 Fade 4 iron left of green, chip to 2 feet, 1 putt for par 3.
#6 5 iron through fairway to left rough, SW to back fringe, 2 putt for
par 4.
#7 3 wood to left rough, 9 iron to green, 2 putt for par 4.
#8 5 iron to right of green, chip to 2 feet, 1 putt for par 3.
#9 Long driver to middle of fairway, toed 3 wood into trees on left,
pulled 7 iron into right rough, SW to back fringe, chip to 10 feet, 2
putts for double bogey 7.
#10 Long driver to middle of fairway, good 3 wood to 150 yards, 7 iron
short, chip to 4 feet, 2 putt for bogey 6.
#11 4 iron to left rough, 5 iron short into hazard, 2 strokes to get put
of hazard, pitched to 1 inch, 1 putt for double bogey 6.
#12 Driver to fairway, 4 iron short, pitch on, 2 putt for bogey 5.
#13 4 iron to short of green, chip to 6 feet, 2 putt for bogey 4.
#14 Driver to left rough, 5 iron to right rough, flop SW to green, 2
putt for bogey 5.
#15 4 iron over green, flubbed chip to 10 feet, 2 putt for bogey 4.
#16 Long drive to middle, 3 wood to 75 yards, SW over green, chip to 6
feet, 2 putt for bogey 6.
#17 Driver into left rough, 9 iron to green, 2 putt for par 4.
#18 Driver short to fairway, 5 iron short of green, chip 15 feet past
hole, 2 putt for bogey 5.
Par is 36/36/72, slope 120
Current index 16.8, course handicap 18
Finished 41/45/86, final score net 68, with 6 fairways, 4 greens and 33
putts. I was pretty happy with the putting considering the condition of
the greens. The wind really played havoc with my drives and approach
shots on the back 9, much moreso than on the front, and it showed in the
scores. The only wind related problem on the front was on #2, where the
wind blew my ball off the green after my first putt. I actually felt I
played the back better than the front. The only silly things I did were
to try to play out of the hazard on #11 and hitting a 3 wood on #9 when
I could have hit a mid iron.
Larry Connor
I don't want to burst your bubble, but your are totally wrong. The pros do
not keep their own score. They mark for another competitor in their group.
This is in the rules of golf (Rule 6 definition, 6-6). They also keep their
own score for VERIFICATION purposes only. The official card is the one kept
by the maker.
Larry Connor
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> In article <sfqc5vb...@corp.supernews.com>,
>
> i'm pretty sure the pros keep their own score. however, they know who
> made what so they can determine who has the honor on the next tee. i
> don't think a pro has to attest another pro's score. i think that's the
> purpose of the marker.
>
Tom Fenton
records the score.