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bkn...@conramp.net

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May 16, 2012, 10:21:22 PM5/16/12
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Alan Baker

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May 16, 2012, 10:25:18 PM5/16/12
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In article <b4o8r7loqv3g22s12...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net wrote:

> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-killed-by
> -single-gunshot-fired-from-intermediate-range-autopsy-shows?lite

Ooooh...

So much for all those here who simply assumed that Martin was a "punk"
and that he was reaching for Zimmerman's gun when Zimmerman pulled it
and fired.

And so much for all that talk about Martin's knuckle "injurieS"
(emphasis mine):

"The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia
County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh
injury - a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size - on
his left ring finger below the knuckle."

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Dene

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May 16, 2012, 11:01:18 PM5/16/12
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On May 16, 7:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...

Curioser.???? My spell checker is going nutso. :)

What do you find in the article that is remarkable?. T was shot at
short range, likely while Z was on his back. T had an injury to his
knuckle but that isn't indicative of just one punch thrown. You can
pound somebody without injuring your knuckles. It depends where you
hit him...or missed.

-Greg

Alan Baker

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May 16, 2012, 11:06:21 PM5/16/12
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In article
<a38d8e5c-a8c0-4c53...@e9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>,
Really?

'Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the
chest fired from łintermediate range,˛ according to an autopsy report
reviewed Wednesday by NBC News.'

How do you get "short" from "intermediate"?

Maybe it's from the same place that some people get "punk" when
referring to Trayvon Martin.

:-)

Frank Ketchum

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May 17, 2012, 5:57:21 AM5/17/12
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"Dene" <gds...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:a38d8e5c-a8c0-4c53...@e9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com...
- - -

It does not say "short" range, it says "intermediate" range. That would be
the curioser part. One would expect a wound to be short range in this case.


bkn...@conramp.net

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May 17, 2012, 7:17:06 AM5/17/12
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:01:18 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On May 16, 7:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>
>Curioser.???? My spell checker is going nutso. :)

It's a quote from "Alice in Wonderland".
>
>What do you find in the article that is remarkable?. T was shot at
>short range, likely while Z was on his back. T had an injury to his
>knuckle but that isn't indicative of just one punch thrown. You can
>pound somebody without injuring your knuckles. It depends where you
>hit him...or missed.
>
>-Greg

This new information disputes two things; that the shot was fired in
close range during a struggle and that Martin's knuckles were damaged
to an extent that shows that he beat Z.

Again, it will all get straightened out at trial.

BAR

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May 17, 2012, 8:17:14 AM5/17/12
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In article <oan9r7t4htdq85a65...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
First we need a definition of "intermediate range". When I was shooting
for qualification in the USMC we shot short range 200 yards,
intermediate range 300 yards and long range 500 yards. Prior to that we
zeroed-in on the 900 inch line (25 yards) which is considered close
range.

What is the definition of "intermediate range?"


MNMikeW

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May 17, 2012, 11:01:45 AM5/17/12
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Yes, with the forensics we have today you would think they could come up
with a distance. Typical combat pistol range is 7 yards.

Carbon

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May 17, 2012, 11:18:27 AM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 05:57:21 -0400, Frank Ketchum wrote:
> "Dene" <gds...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:a38d8e5c-a8c0-4c53...@e9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 16, 7:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>>
>>> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>>
>> Curioser.???? My spell checker is going nutso. :)
>>
>> What do you find in the article that is remarkable?. T was shot at
>> short range, likely while Z was on his back. T had an injury to his
>> knuckle but that isn't indicative of just one punch thrown. You can
>> pound somebody without injuring your knuckles. It depends where you
>> hit him...or missed.
>
> It does not say "short" range, it says "intermediate" range. That
> would be the curioser part. One would expect a wound to be short
> range in this case.

If it was self-defense.

It's going to be difficult for Zimmerman's lawyers to explain away.

Alan Baker

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May 17, 2012, 11:19:07 AM5/17/12
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In article <a1ki7h...@mid.individual.net>,
I certainly think that there is a distance closer than intermediate
which you would have expected them to report if Zimmerman had been in a
physical struggle with Martin and shot him because Martin was grabbing
for his gun.

John B.

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May 17, 2012, 12:34:17 PM5/17/12
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You never read Alice in Wonderland? And you don't know that
"intermediate" is not synonymous with "short?"

Don Kirkman

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May 17, 2012, 2:20:45 PM5/17/12
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Irrelevant. You weren't shooting handguns.

>What is the definition of "intermediate range?"

Just like so many other things here, we haven't been told yet.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Dene

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May 17, 2012, 3:29:50 PM5/17/12
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All true.
Alice in Wonderland is synonymous
with liberal economics. ;)

-Greg

Carbon

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May 17, 2012, 3:37:23 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:29:50 -0700, Dene wrote:
> On May 17, 9:34 am, "John B." <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 16, 11:01 pm, Dene <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On May 16, 7:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>>>
>>> Curioser.????  My spell checker is going nutso.  :)
>>>
>>> What do you find in the article that is remarkable?.  T was shot at
>>> short range, likely while Z was on his back.  T had an injury to his
>>> knuckle but that isn't indicative of just one punch thrown.  You can
>>> pound somebody without injuring your knuckles.  It depends where you
>>> hit him...or missed.
>>
>> You never read Alice in Wonderland? And you don't know that
>> "intermediate" is not synonymous with "short?"
>
> All true.
> Alice in Wonderland is synonymous
> with liberal economics. ;)

Equally so for any economic theory that favors ideology over reality.
Like the laugher curve silliness from the Republicans.

Dene

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May 17, 2012, 4:29:48 PM5/17/12
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Republicans....like the 4 members of the "gang of eight" who are
trying to address the budget issues. How about Representative Ryan.
Ideologue or realist?

How about Republicans who are making a stand on the debt limit,
demanding serious cuts? Meanwhile the citizens tighten their belt
while the Feds loosen theirs.

-Greg

Carbon

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May 17, 2012, 4:47:25 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 13:29:48 -0700, Dene wrote:
> On May 17, 12:37 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:29:50 -0700, Dene wrote:
>>> On May 17, 9:34 am, "John B." <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On May 16, 11:01 pm, Dene <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> On May 16, 7:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>>>>>
>>>>> Curioser.????  My spell checker is going nutso.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you find in the article that is remarkable?.  T was shot
>>>>> at short range, likely while Z was on his back.  T had an injury
>>>>> to his knuckle but that isn't indicative of just one punch thrown.
>>>>>  You can pound somebody without injuring your knuckles.  It
>>>>> depends where you hit him...or missed.
>>>>
>>>> You never read Alice in Wonderland? And you don't know that
>>>> "intermediate" is not synonymous with "short?"
>>>
>>> All true.
>>> Alice in Wonderland is synonymous
>>> with liberal economics.  ;)
>>
>> Equally so for any economic theory that favors ideology over reality.
>> Like the laugher curve silliness from the Republicans.
>
> Republicans....like the 4 members of the "gang of eight" who are
> trying to address the budget issues. How about Representative Ryan.
> Ideologue or realist?

1. Cut taxes
2. ???
3. Profit!

So, ideologue. On the other hand, I hear Ryan works out.

> How about Republicans who are making a stand on the debt limit,
> demanding serious cuts? Meanwhile the citizens tighten their belt
> while the Feds loosen theirs.

The previous last stand on the debt limit caused a downgrade in
America's credit which will make it more expensive to borrow money and
will end up costing the country billions of dollars.

John B.

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May 17, 2012, 5:07:59 PM5/17/12
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I'm not sure I'd call Paul Ryan an ideologue, but he sure is hell is
no realist. His budget proposal is absolute lunacy. Of course, people
like you will take any and all budget cuts wherever you can get them
(except defense). Because ALL government spending is bad, right?

Carbon

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May 17, 2012, 5:12:54 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:07:59 -0700, John B. wrote:
> On May 17, 4:29 pm, Dene <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On May 17, 12:37 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:29:50 -0700, Dene wrote:
>>>> On May 17, 9:34 am, "John B." <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You never read Alice in Wonderland? And you don't know that
>>>>> "intermediate" is not synonymous with "short?"
>>>>
>>>> All true.
>>>> Alice in Wonderland is synonymous
>>>> with liberal economics.  ;)
>>>
>>> Equally so for any economic theory that favors ideology over
>>> reality. Like the laugher curve silliness from the Republicans.
>>
>> Republicans....like the 4 members of the "gang of eight" who are
>> trying to address the budget issues.  How about Representative Ryan.
>> Ideologue or realist?
>>
>> How about Republicans who are making a stand on the debt limit,
>> demanding serious cuts?  Meanwhile the citizens tighten their belt
>> while the Feds loosen theirs.
>
> I'm not sure I'd call Paul Ryan an ideologue, but he sure is hell is
> no realist. His budget proposal is absolute lunacy. Of course, people
> like you will take any and all budget cuts wherever you can get them
> (except defense). Because ALL government spending is bad, right?

Interesting point. Why isn't defense spending bad as well? The quagmire
in Iraq is going to be in the multiple trillions by the time all is said
and done. Does that not count or what?

MNMikeW

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May 17, 2012, 5:53:20 PM5/17/12
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Yes, I'm sure the size of our debt had nothing to do with it.

kenpitts

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May 17, 2012, 5:56:55 PM5/17/12
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kenpitts

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May 17, 2012, 6:02:31 PM5/17/12
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The problem remains liberals who keep spending other people's money
like there is no tomorrow.

Tax cuts grow the economy and result in more receipts. That is what we
need. Why do you think we are doing so well in Texas? Business
friendly - low taxes.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/edgl45lkl/methodology/#gallerycontent

Ken

bkn...@conramp.net

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May 17, 2012, 6:25:21 PM5/17/12
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THC can remain for weeks, months and in some instances forever in
one's system, so "traces" don't mean that one is high or was high
recently. Don't let that stop you from making wild ass statements
though.

BAR

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May 17, 2012, 6:57:54 PM5/17/12
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In article <m9gar79f3iukcp0cr...@4ax.com>, donsno2
@charter.net says...
We shot the 1911A1 at 15 yards in boot camp. We didn't shoot for
qualification, slick-sleeve's don't rate shooting the pistol for
qualification.

I read two articles. The first said that intermediate range was 2 to 4
inches and the second said that intermediate range was 1 to 18 inches.


BAR

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May 17, 2012, 7:01:05 PM5/17/12
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In article <39uar7t2egunu6b5h...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts
> <ken....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On May 16, 9:21ᅵpm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> >> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
> >
> >More curious all the time. Toxicology reveals that Trayvon was high.
> >
> >http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-george-zimmerman/story?id=16371852
> >
> >Ken
>
> THC can remain for weeks, months and in some instances forever in
> one's system, so "traces" don't mean that one is high or was high
> recently. Don't let that stop you from making wild ass statements
> though.

It does prove that you are a dope smoking idiot.


BAR

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May 17, 2012, 6:59:55 PM5/17/12
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In article <7043bd56-2b82-4183-89a4-313cc6bfd8c2
@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
If you use votes for as a measure of reality then Obama is in another
universe. 0-414 in the House.

bkn...@conramp.net

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On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:01:05 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:

>In article <39uar7t2egunu6b5h...@4ax.com>,
>bkn...@conramp.net says...
>>
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts
>> <ken....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On May 16, 9:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>> >> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>> >
>> >More curious all the time. Toxicology reveals that Trayvon was high.
>> >
>> >http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-george-zimmerman/story?id=16371852
>> >
>> >Ken
>>
>> THC can remain for weeks, months and in some instances forever in
>> one's system, so "traces" don't mean that one is high or was high
>> recently. Don't let that stop you from making wild ass statements
>> though.
>
>It does prove that you are a dope smoking idiot.
>
Wrong.
I'll be willing to bet that there more than a few on RSG who have
tried marijuana and they aren't dope smoking idiots. I went through
years of being a musician and was around it constantly but never tried
it until I was over 50 and it just made me sleepy, not a dope smoking
idiot.

BAR

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May 17, 2012, 7:34:32 PM5/17/12
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In article <f01br79rr85cc9so9...@4ax.com>,
If you currently have THC in your system, you are a dope smoking idiot.

Moderate

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May 17, 2012, 7:38:26 PM5/17/12
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Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting point. Why isn't defense spending bad as well? The quagmire
> in Iraq is going to be in the multiple trillions by the time all is said
> and done. Does that not count or what?

You wake up in a new world everyday. The Itaq war is over. We won. It cost
less than Obama's stimulus.

It may seem like we are still spending money in Iraq, because Obama is
racking up debt like money grew on trees.

Carbon

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May 17, 2012, 7:52:40 PM5/17/12
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It only matters when your team is out of office. For example, this
quagmire in the Middle East. Deficits didn't matter then and suddenly
they do now. It's like magic.

Carbon

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May 17, 2012, 7:59:50 PM5/17/12
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Obviously the country is still spending money in Iraq. But that's
nothing compared to the trillions in future entitlements caused by
mobilizing hundreds of thousands of troops.

You seem to have the belief that the previous administration's avoidable
war in Iraq + their own stimulus program will have cost magnitudes less
than the Obama administration's stimulus program alone.

bkn...@conramp.net

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May 17, 2012, 8:02:55 PM5/17/12
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Wrong.
Again, THC can remain in your system for months...and in some cases
forever.

Carbon

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May 17, 2012, 8:02:27 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:34:32 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <f01br79rr85cc9so9...@4ax.com>,
> bkn...@conramp.net says...
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:01:05 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>> In article <39uar7t2egunu6b5h...@4ax.com>,
>>> bkn...@conramp.net says...
>>>
>>>> THC can remain for weeks, months and in some instances forever in
>>>> one's system, so "traces" don't mean that one is high or was high
>>>> recently. Don't let that stop you from making wild ass statements
>>>> though.
>>>
>>> It does prove that you are a dope smoking idiot.
>>
>> Wrong. I'll be willing to bet that there more than a few on RSG who
>> have tried marijuana and they aren't dope smoking idiots. I went
>> through years of being a musician and was around it constantly but
>> never tried it until I was over 50 and it just made me sleepy, not a
>> dope smoking idiot.
>
> If you currently have THC in your system, you are a dope smoking
> idiot.

Don't be an idiot. As Bobby notes, THC can stay in your system for a
long time. It is not evidence that he was high when Zimmerman killed
him.

Moderate

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May 17, 2012, 8:49:42 PM5/17/12
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<bkn...@conramp.net> wrote:
> Wrong.
> Again, THC can remain in your system for months...and in some cases
> forever.

I hear it can cause paranoia.

#Laughing

Moderate

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May 17, 2012, 8:49:44 PM5/17/12
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Good Morning!

Moderate

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May 17, 2012, 8:49:45 PM5/17/12
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So just an idiot? You are making bad choices tonight. :-)

Horva...@net.net

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May 17, 2012, 10:00:34 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 10:01:45 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote
this crap:

>>
>> What is the definition of "intermediate range?"
>>
>>
>Yes, with the forensics we have today you would think they could come up
>with a distance. Typical combat pistol range is 7 yards.

Is that on an indoor or outdoor range? At Camp Perry the outdoor
pistol range was more than that.

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

Moderate

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May 17, 2012, 11:12:32 PM5/17/12
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Conceal and Carry is 7 yds.

Horva...@net.net

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May 18, 2012, 1:31:54 AM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 03:12:32 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote this crap:

>>>>
>>>> What is the definition of "intermediate range?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, with the forensics we have today you would think they could come up
>>> with a distance. Typical combat pistol range is 7 yards.
>>
>> Is that on an indoor or outdoor range? At Camp Perry the outdoor
>> pistol range was more than that.
>>
>Conceal and Carry is 7 yds.

I don't get it. You can only shoot someone who is 7 yds. away?

Dene

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May 18, 2012, 1:39:31 AM5/18/12
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I think defense should be cut too....and some tax loopholes eliminated
to raise revenue.

-Greg

kenpitts

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May 18, 2012, 6:50:41 AM5/18/12
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On May 17, 5:25 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts
>
> <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 16, 9:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> >>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>
> >More curious all the time. Toxicology reveals that Trayvon was high.
>
> >http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-g...
>
> >Ken
>
> THC can remain for weeks, months and in some instances forever in
> one's system, so "traces" don't mean that one is high or was high
> recently.  Don't let that stop you from making wild ass statements
> though.

Not "wild ass". I've been around pot for ages. It was everywhere
during the 70's. You know that is true. Pot smokers who have it -
smoke it. Every day. Morning, noon and night. I would say there is
more than a 50% chance Trayvon burned one during his walk to get the
iced tea. You are the one who will go out of your way to attack me
personally. I don't deserve it.

Ken

BAR

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May 18, 2012, 7:41:07 AM5/18/12
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In article <doabr7ldlhrt2hu4p...@4ax.com>, Horvath1758
@net.net says...
It was at the Island. MCRD PI SC.

bkn...@conramp.net

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May 18, 2012, 9:06:46 AM5/18/12
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>Ken.

Well you've ameliorated your first idiotic statement that he was high
to more than a 50% chance". You still are FOS because you don't have
a clue whether or not he had smoked pot that day...or week.

Another broad un provable statement that "all" pot smokers use it all
day every day? Maybe some, maybe a majority, but not all. Don't let
reason get in your way though.

If you didn't make outlandish, definite, statements with no proof how
could anyone "attack" you personally?

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 10:03:09 AM5/18/12
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Trace amounts, could have been from earlier in the day.

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 10:05:12 AM5/18/12
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Nobody on RSG as ever used pot. Nobody, yeah that's it. ;-)

MNMikeW

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Camp Perry is not combat shooting.

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 10:07:59 AM5/18/12
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You are the one who does not get it.

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 10:10:40 AM5/18/12
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0-99 in Senate. Of course, Obama's liberal media minions are trying not
to report this embarrassment.

John B.

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On May 17, 6:02 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 17, 3:47 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 17 May 2012 13:29:48 -0700, Dene wrote:
> > > On May 17, 12:37 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:29:50 -0700, Dene wrote:
> > >>> On May 17, 9:34 am, "John B." <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On May 16, 11:01 pm, Dene <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> On May 16, 7:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>
> > >>>>> Curioser.????  My spell checker is going nutso.  :)
>
> > >>>>> What do you find in the article that is remarkable?.  T was shot
> > >>>>> at short range, likely while Z was on his back.  T had an injury
> > >>>>> to his knuckle but that isn't indicative of just one punch thrown.
> > >>>>>  You can pound somebody without injuring your knuckles.  It
> > >>>>> depends where you hit him...or missed.
>
> > >>>> You never read Alice in Wonderland? And you don't know that
> > >>>> "intermediate" is not synonymous with "short?"
>
> > >>> All true.
> > >>> Alice in Wonderland is synonymous
> > >>> with liberal economics.  ;)
>
> > >> Equally so for any economic theory that favors ideology over reality.
> > >> Like the laugher curve silliness from the Republicans.
>
> > > Republicans....like the 4 members of the "gang of eight" who are
> > > trying to address the budget issues.  How about Representative Ryan.
> > > Ideologue or realist?
>
> > 1. Cut taxes
> > 2. ???
> > 3. Profit!
>
> > So, ideologue. On the other hand, I hear Ryan works out.
>
> > > How about Republicans who are making a stand on the debt limit,
> > > demanding serious cuts?  Meanwhile the citizens tighten their belt
> > > while the Feds loosen theirs.
>
> > The previous last stand on the debt limit caused a downgrade in
> > America's credit which will make it more expensive to borrow money and
> > will end up costing the country billions of dollars.
>
> The problem remains liberals who keep spending other people's money
> like there is no tomorrow.
>
> Tax cuts grow the economy and result in more receipts. That is what we
> need. Why do you think we are doing so well in Texas? Business
> friendly - low taxes.
>
> http://www.forbes.com/pictures/edgl45lkl/methodology/#gallerycontent
>
> Ken

I never thought of GW Bush as a liberal. If I'm not mistaken, it was
he who wasted $1.5 trillion - and counting - on two arbitrary wars.
Not to mention the Republican Congress, which went on a wild spending
spree after gaining a majority in the House in the 2006 elections.

John B.

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On May 17, 5:56 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> More curious all the time. Toxicology reveals that Trayvon was high.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-g...
>
> Ken

You're almost as big an asshole as Larry. A 17-year-old kid is dead
and you smear him.

John B.

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May 18, 2012, 10:37:30 AM5/18/12
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Less that Obama's stimulus my ass. We're still paying for it.

John B.

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May 18, 2012, 10:39:37 AM5/18/12
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Yes you do.

bkn...@conramp.net

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May 18, 2012, 10:56:51 AM5/18/12
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Possibly but not likely. From the latest autopsy report:
THC -- or tetrahydrocannabinol, the active ingredient in marijuana --
were found in Martin's blood, though below the level that medical
studies indicate would have caused "performance impairment."

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/17/11748468-court-docs-trayvon-martin-shooting-ultimately-avoidable-by-zimmerman?lite

bkn...@conramp.net

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May 18, 2012, 10:57:23 AM5/18/12
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Post of the month. LOL

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 11:09:14 AM5/18/12
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It's not really a smear. He was high at some point.

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 11:12:50 AM5/18/12
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How many years do you think we will be paying for Obama's $5 trillion in
spending?

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 11:15:11 AM5/18/12
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You can be as high as a giraffes ass in the morning, and be fine by
evening. So I've heard. ;-)


bkn...@conramp.net

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May 18, 2012, 11:17:20 AM5/18/12
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Doxology showed that it wasn't during the incident....so it was a
smear.

bkn...@conramp.net

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May 18, 2012, 11:19:31 AM5/18/12
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Again...not during the incident according to that same Toxicological
report referenced.

bkn...@conramp.net

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May 18, 2012, 11:21:44 AM5/18/12
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Doxology???? Talk about waaaaaay off base!!!!
Thanks a lot spell check. :-(

I spelled it correctly in the next post.

John B.

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May 18, 2012, 12:20:07 PM5/18/12
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On May 18, 11:21 am, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:17:20 -0500, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> >On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:09:14 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>John B. wrote:
> >>> On May 17, 5:56 pm, kenpitts<ken.p...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>> On May 16, 9:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>
> >>>>>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>
> >>>> More curious all the time. Toxicology reveals that Trayvon was high.
>
> >>>>http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-g...
>
> >>>> Ken
>
> >>> You're almost as big an asshole as Larry. A 17-year-old kid is dead
> >>> and you smear him.
>
> >>It's not really a smear. He was high at some point.
>
> >Doxology showed that it wasn't during the incident....so it was a
> >smear.
>
> Doxology????  Talk about waaaaaay off base!!!!
> Thanks a lot spell check.  :-(
>
> I spelled it correctly in the next post.

Don't blame spell-check. It's a word.

John B.

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May 18, 2012, 12:19:20 PM5/18/12
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He hasn't spent $5T.

John B.

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May 18, 2012, 12:18:51 PM5/18/12
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To say that that's relevant to the case is a smear.

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 12:37:37 PM5/18/12
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No, the doxology showed the levels were not high enough for impairment.

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 12:38:27 PM5/18/12
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Put the bong down while you type. :-)

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 12:39:07 PM5/18/12
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Tell that to ABC then.

Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 12:41:34 PM5/18/12
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The final cost for the recent adventure in Iraq is expected to be $3
trillion+. And then there were the numerous bailouts following the
2007 financial crisis.

If Obama spent more than Bush it wasn't a lot more. It is in fact true
that everyone bitches about spending when their team is out of power. As
soon as they get running things again they go back to blowing money like
drunken sailors on shore leave. Always and forever, amen.

Somehow you only seem to be shocked when the other team does it.

bkn...@conramp.net

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May 18, 2012, 12:57:32 PM5/18/12
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So is "horseshit" but neither was what I meant.
I misspelled Toxicology and that's what spell check came up with...and
I didn't spellcheck spellcheck.

Dene

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May 18, 2012, 1:47:49 PM5/18/12
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I rather enjoyed Doxology.

-Greg

MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 3:30:05 PM5/18/12
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How long was Bush in office and how long has Obama been in office? I
bitched plenty about Bush's spending.

John B.

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May 18, 2012, 4:10:46 PM5/18/12
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I don't watch ABC.

Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 4:49:34 PM5/18/12
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The global economic crisis started in 2007. Bush had basically a year
and a half of it, Obama took office with it going full blast and its
effects are still being felt.

You're probably already composing your "it's all Obama's fault" reply. I
don't think the country would be in a significantly different place if
the old man had won. Whoever wins this November will not significantly
change things either. Actually to the extent that the winner governs
according to ideology rather than by fact, he will probably make things
worse.

BAR

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May 18, 2012, 4:52:22 PM5/18/12
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In article <e2dadcab-6624-412c-8f37-
73fd6b...@n33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
FDR was itching to get us into WWII.

Truman got us into Korea.

Kennedy/Johnson got us into Vietnam.

The Democrats are not paragons of virtue when it comes to keeping the
sword sheathed.

BAR

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May 18, 2012, 4:54:12 PM5/18/12
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In article <2907bf7a-e899-45ef-a47f-b9fcb85a3386@
5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
Is it true or false that they found traces of marijuana in Martin's
system? This leads one to believe that Martin was a dope smoker. His
criminal record coroborates his illegal activities.

BAR

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May 18, 2012, 4:54:46 PM5/18/12
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In article <4b63a1af-4ed3-4548-a76c-
a3482b...@b1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
>
> On May 18, 12:39ᅵpm, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
> > John B. wrote:
> > > On May 18, 11:09 am, MNMikeW<mnmiik...@aol.com> ᅵwrote:
> > >> John B. wrote:
> > >>> On May 17, 5:56 pm, kenpitts<ken.p...@gmail.com> ᅵ ᅵwrote:
> > >>>> On May 16, 9:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
> >
> > >>>> More curious all the time. Toxicology reveals that Trayvon was high.
> >
> > >>>>http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-g...
> >
> > >>>> Ken
> >
> > >>> You're almost as big an asshole as Larry. A 17-year-old kid is dead
> > >>> and you smear him.
> >
> > >> It's not really a smear. He was high at some point.
> >
> > > To say that that's relevant to the case is a smear.
> >
> > Tell that to ABC then.
>
> I don't watch ABC.


Maybe you should.

BAR

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May 18, 2012, 4:56:36 PM5/18/12
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In article <cupcr79he1em3dsjo...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
How does praising God relate to dope smoking. I understanding seeing
Jesus with some forms of drugs but, not weed.


Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 5:11:33 PM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 16:52:22 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <e2dadcab-6624-412c-8f37-
> 73fd6b...@n33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
>
>> I never thought of GW Bush as a liberal. If I'm not mistaken, it was
>> he who wasted $1.5 trillion - and counting - on two arbitrary wars.
>> Not to mention the Republican Congress, which went on a wild spending
>> spree after gaining a majority in the House in the 2006 elections.
>
> FDR was itching to get us into WWII.
>
> Truman got us into Korea.
>
> Kennedy/Johnson got us into Vietnam.
>
> The Democrats are not paragons of virtue when it comes to keeping the
> sword sheathed.

It's true. WWII was necessary IMHO, but like Iraq, Korea and Vietnam
were not.

Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 5:13:06 PM5/18/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 15:02:31 -0700, kenpitts wrote:
> On May 17, 3:47 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 13:29:48 -0700, Dene wrote:
>>
>>> How about Republicans who are making a stand on the debt limit,
>>> demanding serious cuts?  Meanwhile the citizens tighten their belt
>>> while the Feds loosen theirs.
>>
>> The previous last stand on the debt limit caused a downgrade in
>> America's credit which will make it more expensive to borrow money
>> and will end up costing the country billions of dollars.
>
> The problem remains liberals who keep spending other people's money
> like there is no tomorrow.
>
> Tax cuts grow the economy and result in more receipts.

Cite.

Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 5:14:35 PM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 16:54:12 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <2907bf7a-e899-45ef-a47f-b9fcb85a3386@
> 5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
>> On May 17, 5:56 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On May 16, 9:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>>>
>>> >http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>>>
>>> More curious all the time. Toxicology reveals that Trayvon was high.
>>>
>>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-g...
>>
>> You're almost as big an asshole as Larry. A 17-year-old kid is dead
>> and you smear him.
>
> Is it true or false that they found traces of marijuana in Martin's
> system? This leads one to believe that Martin was a dope smoker. His
> criminal record coroborates his illegal activities.

What a load of shit. Most kids his age have tried pot. If any of your
kids are Trayvon's age they probably have to. Wake up.

BAR

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May 18, 2012, 5:44:03 PM5/18/12
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In article <pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
The difference between Trayvon and my kids is that my kids have not been
in trouble at school or with the police. My kids "permanent" records
have no blemishes.

Do your kids permanent records have any blemishes?

BAR

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May 18, 2012, 5:45:54 PM5/18/12
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Obama wanted the job. He got the job. Now all he wants to do is whine
about it.


MNMikeW

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May 18, 2012, 6:04:23 PM5/18/12
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I'm just wondering how many years Romney will get to blame Obama.

BAR

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May 18, 2012, 6:16:26 PM5/18/12
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In article <a1nvc1...@mid.individual.net>, mnmi...@aol.com says...
Hopefully 8!

Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 6:34:06 PM5/18/12
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It's not about that. The economy was headed in a certain direction when
Obama took office. I expect that to be largely unchanged when he leaves
office, whenever that is. Whoever takes over won't change significantly
change things either.

It must be nice to believe in the Easter Bunny, or that one guy is so
powerful that he can fix a broken world just by conforming to some
favored ideology. If you believe that, you are going to continue to be
disappointed in life.

Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 6:35:27 PM5/18/12
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Oh yes! The White Obama is really gonna change things!

Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 6:36:49 PM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 17:44:03 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 16:54:12 -0400, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <2907bf7a-e899-45ef-a47f-b9fcb85a3386@
>>> 5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
>>>> On May 17, 5:56 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On May 16, 9:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>>>>>
>>>>> More curious all the time. Toxicology reveals that Trayvon was
>>>>> high.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-g...
>>>>
>>>> You're almost as big an asshole as Larry. A 17-year-old kid is dead
>>>> and you smear him.
>>>
>>> Is it true or false that they found traces of marijuana in Martin's
>>> system? This leads one to believe that Martin was a dope smoker. His
>>> criminal record coroborates his illegal activities.
>>
>> What a load of shit. Most kids his age have tried pot. If any of your
>> kids are Trayvon's age they probably have to. Wake up.
>
> The difference between Trayvon and my kids is that my kids have not
> been in trouble at school or with the police. My kids "permanent"
> records have no blemishes.

So they haven't been caught then. Good for them. No doubt they find your
little speeches as amusing as we do.

Frank Ketchum

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May 18, 2012, 6:50:41 PM5/18/12
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"Carbon" <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com...
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:29:50 -0700, Dene wrote:
>> On May 17, 9:34 am, "John B." <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On May 16, 11:01 pm, Dene <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> Curioser.???? My spell checker is going nutso. :)
>>>>
>>>> What do you find in the article that is remarkable?. T was shot at
>>>> short range, likely while Z was on his back. T had an injury to his
>>>> knuckle but that isn't indicative of just one punch thrown. You can
>>>> pound somebody without injuring your knuckles. It depends where you
>>>> hit him...or missed.
>>>
>>> You never read Alice in Wonderland? And you don't know that
>>> "intermediate" is not synonymous with "short?"
>>
>> All true.
>> Alice in Wonderland is synonymous
>> with liberal economics. ;)
>
> Equally so for any economic theory that favors ideology over reality.
> Like the laugher curve silliness from the Republicans.

This scholarly economic analysis comes courtesy of the same mind that
doesn't know the difference between debt and deficit.


Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 6:51:36 PM5/18/12
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What are you talking about now?

Frank Ketchum

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May 18, 2012, 7:17:22 PM5/18/12
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Why would I bother? Last time you demanded I remind you of your previous
stupidity I did and then you ignored it, ignored it , ignored it and for
some reason then accused me of masturbating. I have no doubt that the rare
occasion of you getting something right causes you to pull your pud in
celebration, but trust me, it is no be deal for me.



Horva...@net.net

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May 18, 2012, 7:20:18 PM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 07:41:07 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote this
crap:

>>
>> Is that on an indoor or outdoor range? At Camp Perry the outdoor
>> pistol range was more than that.
>>
>It was at the Island. MCRD PI SC.

Paris Island or Devil's Island?

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

Horva...@net.net

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May 18, 2012, 7:22:31 PM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 09:07:20 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote
this crap:

>Horva...@net.net wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 10:01:45 -0500, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote
>> this crap:
>>
>>>>
>>>> What is the definition of "intermediate range?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, with the forensics we have today you would think they could come up
>>> with a distance. Typical combat pistol range is 7 yards.
>>
>> Is that on an indoor or outdoor range? At Camp Perry the outdoor
>> pistol range was more than that.
>>
>
>Camp Perry is not combat shooting.

I never said it was. Shooting civilians is also not combat shooting.

Horva...@net.net

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May 18, 2012, 7:23:51 PM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 09:07:59 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote
this crap:

>Horva...@net.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 03:12:32 +0000 (UTC), Moderate<nos...@nomail.com>
>> wrote this crap:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the definition of "intermediate range?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, with the forensics we have today you would think they could come up
>>>>> with a distance. Typical combat pistol range is 7 yards.
>>>>
>>>> Is that on an indoor or outdoor range? At Camp Perry the outdoor
>>>> pistol range was more than that.
>>>>
>>> Conceal and Carry is 7 yds.
>>
>> I don't get it. You can only shoot someone who is 7 yds. away?
>>
>You are the one who does not get it.

Isn't that exactly what I said?

David Laville

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May 18, 2012, 7:25:20 PM5/18/12
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On 18 May 2012 16:41:34 GMT, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:

>Somehow you only seem to be shocked when the other team does it.

Kind of like you being shocked over the Bush wire taps but seem okay
with it now that Obama is carrying them on.

David Laville

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May 18, 2012, 7:25:45 PM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 09:05:12 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:

>> I'll be willing to bet that there more than a few on RSG who have
>> tried marijuana and they aren't dope smoking idiots. I went through
>> years of being a musician and was around it constantly but never tried
>> it until I was over 50 and it just made me sleepy, not a dope smoking
>> idiot.
>
>Nobody on RSG as ever used pot. Nobody, yeah that's it. ;-)

I never have. I've never done a drug in my life, nor have I ever
smoked and I don't like alcohol.

What I am guilty of is drinking too much Coco-Cola. I've been
drinking more tea and water based drinks and I feel so much better and
less dehydrated.

Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 9:37:41 PM5/18/12
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Evidence is when you have proof that a given event or series of events
occurred. There was extensive proof of the Bush administration's
wiretapping program in the form of the Klein affidavit. Whereas there is
no corresponding evidence that the Obama administration is doing the
same thing. Obama said his administration would respect FISA. It's very
possible that he was lying, but there is no evidence.

This horse is dead, but keep beating it if it helps you get by.

Carbon

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May 18, 2012, 9:40:29 PM5/18/12
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So... you don't have anything then.

For the record, I do understand the difference between a yearly deficit
and cumulative debt.

BAR

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May 19, 2012, 12:05:45 AM5/19/12
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Pretty smart of them not to get caught huh?


Carbon

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May 19, 2012, 4:56:28 AM5/19/12
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Most non-poor white kids manage to stay out of serious trouble.

kenpitts

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May 19, 2012, 4:31:48 PM5/19/12
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On May 18, 6:25 pm, David Laville <dlavi...@nospam.net> wrote:
Tea will dehydrate you also.

Ken

kenpitts

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May 19, 2012, 5:46:57 PM5/19/12
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On May 18, 8:06 am, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 03:50:41 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 17, 5:25 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts
>
> >> <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 16, 9:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> >> >>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>
> >> >More curious all the time. Toxicology reveals that Trayvon was high.
>
> >> >http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-g...
>
> >> >Ken
>
> >> THC can remain for weeks, months and in some instances forever in
> >> one's system, so "traces" don't mean that one is high or was high
> >> recently.  Don't let that stop you from making wild ass statements
> >> though.
>
> >Not "wild ass". I've been around pot for ages. It was everywhere
> >during the 70's. You know that is true. Pot smokers who have it -
> >smoke it. Every day. Morning, noon and night. I would say there is
> >more than a 50% chance Trayvon burned one during his walk to get the
> >iced tea. You are the one who will go out of your way to attack me
> >personally. I don't deserve it.
>
> >Ken.
>
> Well you've ameliorated your first idiotic statement that he was high
> to more than a 50% chance".  You still are FOS because you don't have
> a clue whether or not he had smoked pot that day...or week.
>
> Another broad un provable statement that "all" pot smokers use it all
> day every day?  Maybe some, maybe a majority, but not all.  Don't let
> reason get in your way though.
>
> If you didn't  make outlandish, definite, statements with no proof how
> could anyone  "attack" you personally?

Where did I say all?

Ken

kenpitts

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May 19, 2012, 5:45:59 PM5/19/12
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On May 17, 6:07 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:01:05 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >In article <39uar7t2egunu6b5hml28h4egir6luf...@4ax.com>,
> >bkni...@conramp.net says...
>
> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT), kenpitts
> >> <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >On May 16, 9:21 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> >> >>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11736208-trayvon-martin-...
>
> >> >More curious all the time. Toxicology reveals that Trayvon was high.
>
> >> >http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-g...
>
> >> >Ken
>
> >> THC can remain for weeks, months and in some instances forever in
> >> one's system, so "traces" don't mean that one is high or was high
> >> recently.  Don't let that stop you from making wild ass statements
> >> though.
>
> >It does prove that you are a dope smoking idiot.
>
> Wrong.
> I'll be willing to bet that there more than a few on RSG who have
> tried marijuana and they aren't dope smoking idiots.  I went through
> years of being a musician and was around it constantly but never tried
> it until I was over 50 and it just made me sleepy, not a dope smoking
> idiot.

I didn't actually get a buzz until the second or third time I tried
it. Freshman year of college. I wish I had never gotten anything from
it. I would have been much better off without it.

Ken
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