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By Karl Rove
July 19, 2012
Obama Gets Down and Dirty
The president's campaign puts out a steady stream of smears against Mitt Romney, including an insinuation that he committed a felony in an SEC filing.
Since mid-May, President Barack Obama and his campaign have been attacking Mitt Romney for "shipping U.S. jobs overseas." They've suggested he made false filings to the Securities and Exchange Commission. And they've hit him for having "Swiss bank accounts and offshore investment funds in the Caymans." Before considering their political impact, let's review each of these charges.
The first allegationthat Mr. Romney "shipped jobs to China and Mexico"was called "misleading, unfair and untrue" by the Washington Post fact checker and labeled "bunk" in an editorial. The Annenberg Center's FactCheck.org said it "found no evidence to support the claim that Romney . . . shipped American jobs overseas." Neither has anyone else. But Mr. Obama has not backed down, with his campaign spending more than $30 million to run TV ads on the subject for nearly three months.
The second chargewith its implied suggestion that perhaps Mr. Romney should be in jail rather than running for presidentcame in a July 12 conference call. Mr. Obama's deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, accused Mr. Romney of "misrepresenting his position at Bain" to the SEC, "which is a felony."
Three days later Mr. Obama doubled down on the incendiary charge during an interview on WAVY-TV in Portsmouth, Va. He personally attacked Mr. Romney for saying he left Bain's leadership in 1999 while, during the subsequent three years he spent running the Olympics, signing "an SEC listing that says he was the CEO, chairman, and president of the company." What the president didn't say was that this is a customary practice for CEOs who take a leave of absence from their firms. This is precisely the reason that FactCheck.org found the president's charge misleading while the Washington Post said the "facts essentially exonerate Romney." And of course Obama has instant access to any number of experts who know this.
Consider another high-profile CEO: In January 2009, Steve Jobs took a leave from Apple for health reasons. But like Mr. Romney, Jobs later signed SEC documents listing him as CEO, even though he'd relinquished day-to-day control of the company to Apple's chief operating officer. Maybe a reporter should ask Mr. Obama if he believes Jobs was a felon.
Then there are the attacks on Mr. Romney's foreign investments. Democrats fling around words like "tax haven," "offshore account" and "secretive investments." But according to their annual financial disclosures, a number of West Wing staffers are wealthy and have foreign holdings.
They have bonds from around the globe. Through international mutual funds, they own stock in holding companies in tax havens like the Caymans, Bermuda, Guernsey, Curacao and the Isle of Man.
There's nothing wrong with any of this. But if Mr. Obama excoriates Mr. Romney for foreign investments, then why doesn't he cleanse his own West Wing staff of millionaire foreign investors?
Have the president's attacks worked? When the Obama campaign launched its Bain attack on May 15, the race was tied at 45% in Gallup's tracking. As of Tuesday, Gallup had it virtually unchanged: Mr. Obama 47%, Mr. Romney 45%.
Still, they have had an effect. The Romney campaign's responsewhich included whiny demands that the president apologize for his attackshas unsettled GOP activists, causing them to wonder how prepared Mr. Romney and his team are for the mudfest they've entered. The attacks have drawn attention to the Obama campaign's demands that Mr. Romney release more years of tax returns. And they've allowed Mr. Obama to avoid talking about the continually bad economic newsthe lousy June jobs numbers, last Friday's drop in consumer confidence, Tuesday's drop in retail sales and more.
The danger for Mr. Romney is that if these charges go unrefuted, they could discourage swing voters from going for him this fall when they decide whom to support. Therefore, Mr. Romney should challenge Mr. Obama directlyas he did effectively on Tuesday and Wednesdaybut in a way that makes the Republican bigger and more presidential than the incumbent.
This is his opportunity to remind votersin a tone of disappointment and regret, not anger and malicethat Mr. Obama's negative attacks will not put anyone back to work, reduce our growing national debt, or get America moving in the right direction. The attacks are more than just "misleading, unfair and untrue." They are proof Mr. Obama isn't up to the job and no longer worthy of the nation's confidence.
This article originally appeared on WSJ.com on Wednesday, July 19, 2012.
-------------------------------------
Larry (copied from the original WSJ article this morning)
July 19, 2012
Obama Gets Down and Dirty
The president's campaign puts out a steady stream of smears against Mitt Romney, including an insinuation that he committed a felony in an SEC filing.
Since mid-May, President Barack Obama and his campaign have been attacking Mitt Romney for "shipping U.S. jobs overseas." They've suggested he made false filings to the Securities and Exchange Commission. And they've hit him for having "Swiss bank accounts and offshore investment funds in the Caymans." Before considering their political impact, let's review each of these charges.
The first allegationthat Mr. Romney "shipped jobs to China and Mexico"was called "misleading, unfair and untrue" by the Washington Post fact checker and labeled "bunk" in an editorial. The Annenberg Center's FactCheck.org said it "found no evidence to support the claim that Romney . . . shipped American jobs overseas." Neither has anyone else. But Mr. Obama has not backed down, with his campaign spending more than $30 million to run TV ads on the subject for nearly three months.
The second chargewith its implied suggestion that perhaps Mr. Romney should be in jail rather than running for presidentcame in a July 12 conference call. Mr. Obama's deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, accused Mr. Romney of "misrepresenting his position at Bain" to the SEC, "which is a felony."
Three days later Mr. Obama doubled down on the incendiary charge during an interview on WAVY-TV in Portsmouth, Va. He personally attacked Mr. Romney for saying he left Bain's leadership in 1999 while, during the subsequent three years he spent running the Olympics, signing "an SEC listing that says he was the CEO, chairman, and president of the company." What the president didn't say was that this is a customary practice for CEOs who take a leave of absence from their firms. This is precisely the reason that FactCheck.org found the president's charge misleading while the Washington Post said the "facts essentially exonerate Romney." And of course Obama has instant access to any number of experts who know this.
Consider another high-profile CEO: In January 2009, Steve Jobs took a leave from Apple for health reasons. But like Mr. Romney, Jobs later signed SEC documents listing him as CEO, even though he'd relinquished day-to-day control of the company to Apple's chief operating officer. Maybe a reporter should ask Mr. Obama if he believes Jobs was a felon.
Then there are the attacks on Mr. Romney's foreign investments. Democrats fling around words like "tax haven," "offshore account" and "secretive investments." But according to their annual financial disclosures, a number of West Wing staffers are wealthy and have foreign holdings.
They have bonds from around the globe. Through international mutual funds, they own stock in holding companies in tax havens like the Caymans, Bermuda, Guernsey, Curacao and the Isle of Man.
There's nothing wrong with any of this. But if Mr. Obama excoriates Mr. Romney for foreign investments, then why doesn't he cleanse his own West Wing staff of millionaire foreign investors?
Have the president's attacks worked? When the Obama campaign launched its Bain attack on May 15, the race was tied at 45% in Gallup's tracking. As of Tuesday, Gallup had it virtually unchanged: Mr. Obama 47%, Mr. Romney 45%.
Still, they have had an effect. The Romney campaign's responsewhich included whiny demands that the president apologize for his attackshas unsettled GOP activists, causing them to wonder how prepared Mr. Romney and his team are for the mudfest they've entered. The attacks have drawn attention to the Obama campaign's demands that Mr. Romney release more years of tax returns. And they've allowed Mr. Obama to avoid talking about the continually bad economic newsthe lousy June jobs numbers, last Friday's drop in consumer confidence, Tuesday's drop in retail sales and more.
The danger for Mr. Romney is that if these charges go unrefuted, they could discourage swing voters from going for him this fall when they decide whom to support. Therefore, Mr. Romney should challenge Mr. Obama directlyas he did effectively on Tuesday and Wednesdaybut in a way that makes the Republican bigger and more presidential than the incumbent.
This is his opportunity to remind votersin a tone of disappointment and regret, not anger and malicethat Mr. Obama's negative attacks will not put anyone back to work, reduce our growing national debt, or get America moving in the right direction. The attacks are more than just "misleading, unfair and untrue." They are proof Mr. Obama isn't up to the job and no longer worthy of the nation's confidence.
This article originally appeared on WSJ.com on Wednesday, July 19, 2012.
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Larry (copied from the original WSJ article this morning)
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 19, 2012, 2:53:32 PM7/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT), "la...@pivotforpower.com"
<la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>By Karl Rove
>July 19, 2012
A good cue to read the following crap.
<la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>By Karl Rove
>July 19, 2012
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 3:30:26 PM7/19/12
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adds have failed as the recent CBS/NYT poll shows.
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 19, 2012, 3:56:05 PM7/19/12
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poll.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20120719new_polls_show_race_between_obama_romney_still_a_dead_heat/
Then there is the NPR poll which you know is pro-Obama.
Pick a poll. :-)
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 4:28:22 PM7/19/12
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badly it was skewed to favor the Dems (as usual).
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57475191/cbs-news-new-york-times-poll-7-18-12/?tag=contentMain;contentBody
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 19, 2012, 4:52:20 PM7/19/12
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about the Bain attacks. Romney has a lead in business acumen, but
Obama in the area of helping the middle class. The bottom line is
that there's only a 1% difference now. That's really too close to
call, especially since the poll said that one in five admitted that
they might change their vote between now and November.
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 5:03:13 PM7/19/12
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Romney with this for quite a while now, the polls would show a bit of a
Obama lead if they were effective.
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 19, 2012, 5:08:48 PM7/19/12
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added to Obama's numbers that were lower. It could go either way. I
know that it has me thinking that Romney screwed up.
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 5:25:57 PM7/19/12
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the heavy skewing to the Dems. I don't think Romney has screwed up at
all. Well, possibly not pushing back hard enough on the Bain BS. And now
we have the the Obama "you didn't build that" gaffe that Romney is
taking full advantage of.
la...@pivotforpower.com
Jul 19, 2012, 6:23:19 PM7/19/12
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On Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:25:57 PM UTC-7, MNMikeW wrote:
> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:03:13 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:28:22 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:30:26 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT), "la...@pivotforpower.com"
> >>>>>>> <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> By Karl Rove
> >>>>>>>> July 19, 2012
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A good cue to read the following crap.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> It does hold some truth. Obama's $100 million spent on his Bain attack
> >>>>>> adds have failed as the recent CBS/NYT poll shows.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Couldn't find that poll, but The Boston Herald reports this CBS/NYT
> >>>>> poll.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20120719new_polls_show_race_between_obama_romney_still_a_dead_heat/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then there is the NPR poll which you know is pro-Obama.
> >>>>> Pick a poll. :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>> Yes. It's especially damning for Obama in the CBS/NYT poll seeing how
> >>>> badly it was skewed to favor the Dems (as usual).
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57475191/cbs-news-new-york-times-poll-7-18-12/?tag=contentMain;contentBody
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> You're reading what you feel into the polls Mike. There was nothing
> >>> about the Bain attacks. Romney has a lead in business acumen, but
> >>> Obama in the area of helping the middle class. The bottom line is
> >>> that there's only a 1% difference now. That's really too close to
> >>> call, especially since the poll said that one in five admitted that
> >>> they might change their vote between now and November.
> >>>
> >> Nothing in the polls, correct. But you would think that after hammering
> >> Romney with this for quite a while now, the polls would show a bit of a
> >> Obama lead if they were effective.
> >
> > Maybe the fact that they're so close now is because the Bain thing has
> > added to Obama's numbers that were lower. It could go either way. I
> > know that it has me thinking that Romney screwed up.
> >
> taking full advantage of.
Yep, and that gaff is so big that it could stop most of Obama's campaign funds (he is already having extreme difficulty!) and change the mind of most students and all independents. Most people had no idea that we have a total Socialist in the White House. He admitted it! Nobody who encourages capitalism thinks what Obama said. Now they see why there have been no new jobs. It was also very revealing that Obama has not convened his "jobs counsel" even once this year. NOT ONCE! Does he care about jobs? Not likely. He only wants to play basketball and golf and get applause at fund-raising events. He likes to ride around on Air Force One. I think for the first time ever, the public is getting a new look at Obama--and they are not happy with what they see! He better enjoy the perks, those days are numbered.
Larry
> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:03:13 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:28:22 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:30:26 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT), "la...@pivotforpower.com"
> >>>>>>> <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> By Karl Rove
> >>>>>>>> July 19, 2012
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A good cue to read the following crap.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> It does hold some truth. Obama's $100 million spent on his Bain attack
> >>>>>> adds have failed as the recent CBS/NYT poll shows.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Couldn't find that poll, but The Boston Herald reports this CBS/NYT
> >>>>> poll.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20120719new_polls_show_race_between_obama_romney_still_a_dead_heat/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then there is the NPR poll which you know is pro-Obama.
> >>>>> Pick a poll. :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>> Yes. It's especially damning for Obama in the CBS/NYT poll seeing how
> >>>> badly it was skewed to favor the Dems (as usual).
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57475191/cbs-news-new-york-times-poll-7-18-12/?tag=contentMain;contentBody
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> You're reading what you feel into the polls Mike. There was nothing
> >>> about the Bain attacks. Romney has a lead in business acumen, but
> >>> Obama in the area of helping the middle class. The bottom line is
> >>> that there's only a 1% difference now. That's really too close to
> >>> call, especially since the poll said that one in five admitted that
> >>> they might change their vote between now and November.
> >>>
> >> Nothing in the polls, correct. But you would think that after hammering
> >> Romney with this for quite a while now, the polls would show a bit of a
> >> Obama lead if they were effective.
> >
> > Maybe the fact that they're so close now is because the Bain thing has
> > added to Obama's numbers that were lower. It could go either way. I
> > know that it has me thinking that Romney screwed up.
> >
> Well, I think the only thing that kept it close in the CBS/NYT poll was
> the heavy skewing to the Dems. I don't think Romney has screwed up at
> all. Well, possibly not pushing back hard enough on the Bain BS. And now
> we have the the Obama "you didn't build that" gaffe that Romney is
> taking full advantage of.
Yep, and that gaff is so big that it could stop most of Obama's campaign funds (he is already having extreme difficulty!) and change the mind of most students and all independents. Most people had no idea that we have a total Socialist in the White House. He admitted it! Nobody who encourages capitalism thinks what Obama said. Now they see why there have been no new jobs. It was also very revealing that Obama has not convened his "jobs counsel" even once this year. NOT ONCE! Does he care about jobs? Not likely. He only wants to play basketball and golf and get applause at fund-raising events. He likes to ride around on Air Force One. I think for the first time ever, the public is getting a new look at Obama--and they are not happy with what they see! He better enjoy the perks, those days are numbered.
Larry
Alan Baker
Jul 19, 2012, 6:28:28 PM7/19/12
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In article <118d43d9-6505-4a43...@googlegroups.com>,
I've already told you, Larry: you're wrong about this.
<http://www.jobs-council.com/events/>
<http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/advisory-boards/jobs-council/me
etings>
Try not to remain ignorant, huh?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
<http://www.jobs-council.com/events/>
<http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/advisory-boards/jobs-council/me
etings>
Try not to remain ignorant, huh?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 9:00:17 PM7/19/12
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In article <hmtg08dlm9raugdu2...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
You may have a career as a turd polisher.
bkn...@conramp.net says...
Hollis2
Jul 19, 2012, 9:07:12 PM7/19/12
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was ahead by 3.8%. So he's been slipping for the last two weeks. His job
approval rating has also been underwater since July 1. That's the longest
time he's been there since last February.
It's really close and, if Dick Morris is right about undecideds usually
going against the incumbent, Romney could actually be ahead. I've never
seen any data to back up Morris' claim, but he's polling wonk, so I tend
to believe him.
There are four more first Friday jobs reports left before the election.
If they don't improve from the recent disappointing numbers, Obama will
most likely lose.
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 19, 2012, 9:19:44 PM7/19/12
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Hollis2
Jul 19, 2012, 9:28:44 PM7/19/12
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woman who is running for Senate in Mass. One of the basic archetypes of
America is the "self made man." And the thing is, if you're smart and
have a good idea and are willing to risk your capital and work hard, most
often you will succeed. It's the government's job to create a good
climate to do business in. The market determines who succeeds and who
fails.
The fallacy of what Obama said is seen in the fact that many businesses
don't succeed. If the government wants to take credit for the successes,
shouldn't they also get the blame for the failures.
MNMikeW
Jul 20, 2012, 11:03:16 AM7/20/12
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green boondoggle funding his friends solar companies that went under.
JS
Jul 20, 2012, 11:26:27 AM7/20/12
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On Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:02:22 PM UTC-4, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> By Karl Rove
> July 19, 2012
>
> Obama Gets Down and Dirty
>
> The president's campaign puts out a steady stream of smears against Mitt Romney, including an insinuation that he committed a felony in an SEC filing.
> By Karl Rove
> July 19, 2012
>
> Obama Gets Down and Dirty
>
>
> Since mid-May, President Barack Obama and his campaign have been attacking Mitt Romney for "shipping U.S. jobs overseas." They've suggested he made false filings to the Securities and Exchange Commission. And they've hit him for having "Swiss bank accounts and offshore investment funds in the Caymans." Before considering their political impact, let's review each of these charges.
>
> The first allegationthat Mr. Romney "shipped jobs to China and Mexico"was called "misleading, unfair and untrue" by the Washington Post fact checker and labeled "bunk" in an editorial. The Annenberg Center's FactCheck.org said it "found no evidence to support the claim that Romney . . . shipped American jobs overseas." Neither has anyone else. But Mr. Obama has not backed down, with his campaign spending more than $30 million to run TV ads on the subject for nearly three months.
>
> The second chargewith its implied suggestion that perhaps Mr. Romney should be in jail rather than running for presidentcame in a July 12 conference call. Mr. Obama's deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, accused Mr. Romney of "misrepresenting his position at Bain" to the SEC, "which is a felony."
>
> Three days later Mr. Obama doubled down on the incendiary charge during an interview on WAVY-TV in Portsmouth, Va. He personally attacked Mr. Romney for saying he left Bain's leadership in 1999 while, during the subsequent three years he spent running the Olympics, signing "an SEC listing that says he was the CEO, chairman, and president of the company." What the president didn't say was that this is a customary practice for CEOs who take a leave of absence from their firms. This is precisely the reason that FactCheck.org found the president's charge misleading while the Washington Post said the "facts essentially exonerate Romney." And of course Obama has instant access to any number of experts who know this.
>
> Consider another high-profile CEO: In January 2009, Steve Jobs took a leave from Apple for health reasons. But like Mr. Romney, Jobs later signed SEC documents listing him as CEO, even though he'd relinquished day-to-day control of the company to Apple's chief operating officer. Maybe a reporter should ask Mr. Obama if he believes Jobs was a felon.
>
> Then there are the attacks on Mr. Romney's foreign investments. Democrats fling around words like "tax haven," "offshore account" and "secretive investments." But according to their annual financial disclosures, a number of West Wing staffers are wealthy and have foreign holdings.
>
> They have bonds from around the globe. Through international mutual funds, they own stock in holding companies in tax havens like the Caymans, Bermuda, Guernsey, Curacao and the Isle of Man.
>
> There's nothing wrong with any of this. But if Mr. Obama excoriates Mr. Romney for foreign investments, then why doesn't he cleanse his own West Wing staff of millionaire foreign investors?
> They have bonds from around the globe. Through international mutual funds, they own stock in holding companies in tax havens like the Caymans, Bermuda, Guernsey, Curacao and the Isle of Man.
>
>
> Have the president's attacks worked? When the Obama campaign launched its Bain attack on May 15, the race was tied at 45% in Gallup's tracking. As of Tuesday, Gallup had it virtually unchanged: Mr. Obama 47%, Mr. Romney 45%.
>
> Still, they have had an effect. The Romney campaign's responsewhich included whiny demands that the president apologize for his attackshas unsettled GOP activists, causing them to wonder how prepared Mr. Romney and his team are for the mudfest they've entered. The attacks have drawn attention to the Obama campaign's demands that Mr. Romney release more years of tax returns. And they've allowed Mr. Obama to avoid talking about the continually bad economic newsthe lousy June jobs numbers, last Friday's drop in consumer confidence, Tuesday's drop in retail sales and more.
>
> The danger for Mr. Romney is that if these charges go unrefuted, they could discourage swing voters from going for him this fall when they decide whom to support. Therefore, Mr. Romney should challenge Mr. Obama directlyas he did effectively on Tuesday and Wednesdaybut in a way that makes the Republican bigger and more presidential than the incumbent.
>
> This is his opportunity to remind votersin a tone of disappointment and regret, not anger and malicethat Mr. Obama's negative attacks will not put anyone back to work, reduce our growing national debt, or get America moving in the right direction. The attacks are more than just "misleading, unfair and untrue." They are proof Mr. Obama isn't up to the job and no longer worthy of the nation's confidence.
> The danger for Mr. Romney is that if these charges go unrefuted, they could discourage swing voters from going for him this fall when they decide whom to support. Therefore, Mr. Romney should challenge Mr. Obama directlyas he did effectively on Tuesday and Wednesdaybut in a way that makes the Republican bigger and more presidential than the incumbent.
>
>
> This article originally appeared on WSJ.com on Wednesday, July 19, 2012.
>
> -------------------------------------
> Larry (copied from the original WSJ article this morning)
Karl Rove, part of the axis of evil...the architect of the bush years and look where they got us. Nice job covering a lot of cheating in FL and then again with Diebold in Ohio in 2004. Of course, rove got his ass handed to him in the midterms and the only port in the storm left for this little weasel is fox noise network. Of course, a few parrots that can't and won't think for themselves continue to quote him but it's all just graffiti to the real world of those of us with brains and looking for our own answers.
> This article originally appeared on WSJ.com on Wednesday, July 19, 2012.
>
> -------------------------------------
> Larry (copied from the original WSJ article this morning)
la...@pivotforpower.com
Jul 20, 2012, 2:17:00 PM7/20/12
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On Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:07:12 PM UTC-7, Hollis2 wrote:
> On Jul 19 2012 3:56 PM, bknight wrote:
>
> On Jul 19 2012 3:56 PM, bknight wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:30:26 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > >bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT), "la...@pivotforpower.com"
> >
> > >bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> > >>> By Karl Rove
> > >>> July 19, 2012
> > >>
> > >> A good cue to read the following crap.
> > >>
> > >It does hold some truth. Obama's $100 million spent on his Bain attack
> > >adds have failed as the recent CBS/NYT poll shows.
> >
> > Couldn't find that poll, but The Boston Herald reports this CBS/NYT
> > poll.
> >
> >
> http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20120719new_polls_show_race_between_obama_romney_still_a_dead_heat/
> >
> > Then there is the NPR poll which you know is pro-Obama.
> >
> http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20120719new_polls_show_race_between_obama_romney_still_a_dead_heat/
> >
> > Pick a poll. :-)
>
> Obama's RCP Average is +1.2%, so he's still ahead, but on June 29th, he
>
> was ahead by 3.8%. So he's been slipping for the last two weeks. His job
> approval rating has also been underwater since July 1. That's the longest
> time he's been there since last February.
>
> It's really close and, if Dick Morris is right about undecideds usually
> going against the incumbent, Romney could actually be ahead. I've never
> seen any data to back up Morris' claim, but he's polling wonk, so I tend
> to believe him.
>
> There are four more first Friday jobs reports left before the election.
> If they don't improve from the recent disappointing numbers, Obama will
>
> There are four more first Friday jobs reports left before the election.
> most likely lose.
The most ominous signs for Obama are his current difficulty in raising money and that big former donors have switched to supporting Romney. Wall Street wants Romney. When (likely next week) the big donors realize that Obama is going to lose, they will FLOCK to Romney and it will be over. Then the dirt will really fly from the Chicago crooks. It will be fun to watch them implode.
The stock market will surge when it looks like Romney will win.
Larry
la...@pivotforpower.com
Jul 20, 2012, 2:21:22 PM7/20/12
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On Friday, July 20, 2012 8:26:27 AM UTC-7, JS wrote:
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:02:22 PM UTC-4, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> > By Karl Rove
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:02:22 PM UTC-4, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> > July 19, 2012
> >
> > Obama Gets Down and Dirty
> >
> >
> > The president&#39;s campaign puts out a steady stream of smears against Mitt Romney, including an insinuation that he committed a felony in an SEC filing.
> >
> > Since mid-May, President Barack Obama and his campaign have been attacking Mitt Romney for &quot;shipping U.S. jobs overseas.&quot; They&#39;ve suggested he made false filings to the Securities and Exchange Commission. And they&#39;ve hit him for having &quot;Swiss bank accounts and offshore investment funds in the Caymans.&quot; Before considering their political impact, let&#39;s review each of these charges.
> >
> > The first allegationthat Mr. Romney &quot;shipped jobs to China and Mexico&quot;was called &quot;misleading, unfair and untrue&quot; by the Washington Post fact checker and labeled &quot;bunk&quot; in an editorial. The Annenberg Center&#39;s FactCheck.org said it &quot;found no evidence to support the claim that Romney . . . shipped American jobs overseas.&quot; Neither has anyone else. But Mr. Obama has not backed down, with his campaign spending more than $30 million to run TV ads on the subject for nearly three months.
> >
> > The second chargewith its implied suggestion that perhaps Mr. Romney should be in jail rather than running for presidentcame in a July 12 conference call. Mr. Obama&#39;s deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, accused Mr. Romney of &quot;misrepresenting his position at Bain&quot; to the SEC, &quot;which is a felony.&quot;
> >
> > Three days later Mr. Obama doubled down on the incendiary charge during an interview on WAVY-TV in Portsmouth, Va. He personally attacked Mr. Romney for saying he left Bain&#39;s leadership in 1999 while, during the subsequent three years he spent running the Olympics, signing &quot;an SEC listing that says he was the CEO, chairman, and president of the company.&quot; What the president didn&#39;t say was that this is a customary practice for CEOs who take a leave of absence from their firms. This is precisely the reason that FactCheck.org found the president&#39;s charge misleading while the Washington Post said the &quot;facts essentially exonerate Romney.&quot; And of course Obama has instant access to any number of experts who know this.
> >
> > Consider another high-profile CEO: In January 2009, Steve Jobs took a leave from Apple for health reasons. But like Mr. Romney, Jobs later signed SEC documents listing him as CEO, even though he&#39;d relinquished day-to-day control of the company to Apple&#39;s chief operating officer. Maybe a reporter should ask Mr. Obama if he believes Jobs was a felon.
> >
> > Then there are the attacks on Mr. Romney&#39;s foreign investments. Democrats fling around words like &quot;tax haven,&quot; &quot;offshore account&quot; and &quot;secretive investments.&quot; But according to their annual financial disclosures, a number of West Wing staffers are wealthy and have foreign holdings.
> >
> > They have bonds from around the globe. Through international mutual funds, they own stock in holding companies in tax havens like the Caymans, Bermuda, Guernsey, Curacao and the Isle of Man.
> >
> > There&#39;s nothing wrong with any of this. But if Mr. Obama excoriates Mr. Romney for foreign investments, then why doesn&#39;t he cleanse his own West Wing staff of millionaire foreign investors?
> >
> > Have the president&#39;s attacks worked? When the Obama campaign launched its Bain attack on May 15, the race was tied at 45% in Gallup&#39;s tracking. As of Tuesday, Gallup had it virtually unchanged: Mr. Obama 47%, Mr. Romney 45%.
> >
> > Still, they have had an effect. The Romney campaign&#39;s responsewhich included whiny demands that the president apologize for his attackshas unsettled GOP activists, causing them to wonder how prepared Mr. Romney and his team are for the mudfest they&#39;ve entered. The attacks have drawn attention to the Obama campaign&#39;s demands that Mr. Romney release more years of tax returns. And they&#39;ve allowed Mr. Obama to avoid talking about the continually bad economic newsthe lousy June jobs numbers, last Friday&#39;s drop in consumer confidence, Tuesday&#39;s drop in retail sales and more.
> >
> > The danger for Mr. Romney is that if these charges go unrefuted, they could discourage swing voters from going for him this fall when they decide whom to support. Therefore, Mr. Romney should challenge Mr. Obama directlyas he did effectively on Tuesday and Wednesdaybut in a way that makes the Republican bigger and more presidential than the incumbent.
> >
> > This is his opportunity to remind votersin a tone of disappointment and regret, not anger and malicethat Mr. Obama&#39;s negative attacks will not put anyone back to work, reduce our growing national debt, or get America moving in the right direction. The attacks are more than just &quot;misleading, unfair and untrue.&quot; They are proof Mr. Obama isn&#39;t up to the job and no longer worthy of the nation&#39;s confidence.
> >
> > This article originally appeared on WSJ.com on Wednesday, July 19, 2012.
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> > Larry (copied from the original WSJ article this morning)
>
> Karl Rove, part of the axis of evil...the architect of the bush years and look where they got us. Nice job covering a lot of cheating in FL and then again with Diebold in Ohio in 2004. Of course, rove got his ass handed to him in the midterms and the only port in the storm left for this little weasel is fox noise network. Of course, a few parrots that can't and won't think for themselves continue to quote him but it's all just graffiti to the real world of those of us with brains and looking for our own answers.
Rove organizes and coordinates the PACs that have massive money. They haven't begun to really spend it yet-- and w
On Friday, July 20, 2012 8:26:27 AM UTC-7, JS wrote:
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:02:22 PM UTC-4, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> > July 19, 2012
> >
> > Obama Gets Down and Dirty
> >
> >
> > The president&#39;s campaign puts out a steady stream of smears against Mitt Romney, including an insinuation that he committed a felony in an SEC filing.
> >
> > Since mid-May, President Barack Obama and his campaign have been attacking Mitt Romney for &quot;shipping U.S. jobs overseas.&quot; They&#39;ve suggested he made false filings to the Securities and Exchange Commission. And they&#39;ve hit him for having &quot;Swiss bank accounts and offshore investment funds in the Caymans.&quot; Before considering their political impact, let&#39;s review each of these charges.
> >
> > The first allegationthat Mr. Romney &quot;shipped jobs to China and Mexico&quot;was called &quot;misleading, unfair and untrue&quot; by the Washington Post fact checker and labeled &quot;bunk&quot; in an editorial. The Annenberg Center&#39;s FactCheck.org said it &quot;found no evidence to support the claim that Romney . . . shipped American jobs overseas.&quot; Neither has anyone else. But Mr. Obama has not backed down, with his campaign spending more than $30 million to run TV ads on the subject for nearly three months.
> >
> > The second chargewith its implied suggestion that perhaps Mr. Romney should be in jail rather than running for presidentcame in a July 12 conference call. Mr. Obama&#39;s deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, accused Mr. Romney of &quot;misrepresenting his position at Bain&quot; to the SEC, &quot;which is a felony.&quot;
> >
> > Three days later Mr. Obama doubled down on the incendiary charge during an interview on WAVY-TV in Portsmouth, Va. He personally attacked Mr. Romney for saying he left Bain&#39;s leadership in 1999 while, during the subsequent three years he spent running the Olympics, signing &quot;an SEC listing that says he was the CEO, chairman, and president of the company.&quot; What the president didn&#39;t say was that this is a customary practice for CEOs who take a leave of absence from their firms. This is precisely the reason that FactCheck.org found the president&#39;s charge misleading while the Washington Post said the &quot;facts essentially exonerate Romney.&quot; And of course Obama has instant access to any number of experts who know this.
> >
> > Consider another high-profile CEO: In January 2009, Steve Jobs took a leave from Apple for health reasons. But like Mr. Romney, Jobs later signed SEC documents listing him as CEO, even though he&#39;d relinquished day-to-day control of the company to Apple&#39;s chief operating officer. Maybe a reporter should ask Mr. Obama if he believes Jobs was a felon.
> >
> > Then there are the attacks on Mr. Romney&#39;s foreign investments. Democrats fling around words like &quot;tax haven,&quot; &quot;offshore account&quot; and &quot;secretive investments.&quot; But according to their annual financial disclosures, a number of West Wing staffers are wealthy and have foreign holdings.
> >
> > They have bonds from around the globe. Through international mutual funds, they own stock in holding companies in tax havens like the Caymans, Bermuda, Guernsey, Curacao and the Isle of Man.
> >
> > There&#39;s nothing wrong with any of this. But if Mr. Obama excoriates Mr. Romney for foreign investments, then why doesn&#39;t he cleanse his own West Wing staff of millionaire foreign investors?
> >
> > Have the president&#39;s attacks worked? When the Obama campaign launched its Bain attack on May 15, the race was tied at 45% in Gallup&#39;s tracking. As of Tuesday, Gallup had it virtually unchanged: Mr. Obama 47%, Mr. Romney 45%.
> >
> > Still, they have had an effect. The Romney campaign&#39;s responsewhich included whiny demands that the president apologize for his attackshas unsettled GOP activists, causing them to wonder how prepared Mr. Romney and his team are for the mudfest they&#39;ve entered. The attacks have drawn attention to the Obama campaign&#39;s demands that Mr. Romney release more years of tax returns. And they&#39;ve allowed Mr. Obama to avoid talking about the continually bad economic newsthe lousy June jobs numbers, last Friday&#39;s drop in consumer confidence, Tuesday&#39;s drop in retail sales and more.
> >
> > The danger for Mr. Romney is that if these charges go unrefuted, they could discourage swing voters from going for him this fall when they decide whom to support. Therefore, Mr. Romney should challenge Mr. Obama directlyas he did effectively on Tuesday and Wednesdaybut in a way that makes the Republican bigger and more presidential than the incumbent.
> >
> > This is his opportunity to remind votersin a tone of disappointment and regret, not anger and malicethat Mr. Obama&#39;s negative attacks will not put anyone back to work, reduce our growing national debt, or get America moving in the right direction. The attacks are more than just &quot;misleading, unfair and untrue.&quot; They are proof Mr. Obama isn&#39;t up to the job and no longer worthy of the nation&#39;s confidence.
> >
> > This article originally appeared on WSJ.com on Wednesday, July 19, 2012.
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> > Larry (copied from the original WSJ article this morning)
>
> Karl Rove, part of the axis of evil...the architect of the bush years and look where they got us. Nice job covering a lot of cheating in FL and then again with Diebold in Ohio in 2004. Of course, rove got his ass handed to him in the midterms and the only port in the storm left for this little weasel is fox noise network. Of course, a few parrots that can't and won't think for themselves continue to quote him but it's all just graffiti to the real world of those of us with brains and looking for our own answers.
Rove actually runs the big PACs. He decides when and where to spend hundreds of millions. He is trusted by everyone in the Republican Party, including me. He is smarter than Axelrod. And he is more honest than the Chicago machine of crooks.
Larry
Irish Mike
Aug 6, 2012, 4:25:59 AM8/6/12
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distract and divide by promoting class warfare. His handlers know he
can't run on his miserable job performance and failed policies, so
personal attacks on Romney and class warfare are all he has left.
Irish Mike
Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. If you voted for
Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
prove you're not an idiot.
la...@pivotforpower.com
Aug 6, 2012, 3:25:57 PM8/6/12
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Larry
Alan Baker
Aug 10, 2012, 4:12:11 PM8/10/12
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In article <nlb4f9x...@news.ezprovider.com>,
school dropout for your (obviously inadvertent) spelling gaffe...
"Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Jul 19 2012 4:30 PM, MNMikeW wrote:
>
> > bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT), "la...@pivotforpower.com"
> > > <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> By Karl Rove
> > >> July 19, 2012
> > >
> > > A good cue to read the following crap.
> > >
> > It does hold some truth. Obama's $100 million spent on his Bain attack
> > adds have failed as the recent CBS/NYT poll shows.
>
> Obama's attack adds are as predictable as his continuing efforts to
Oddly, Larry will fail to declare you an obviously uneducated high
> On Jul 19 2012 4:30 PM, MNMikeW wrote:
>
> > bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT), "la...@pivotforpower.com"
> > > <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> By Karl Rove
> > >> July 19, 2012
> > >
> > > A good cue to read the following crap.
> > >
> > It does hold some truth. Obama's $100 million spent on his Bain attack
> > adds have failed as the recent CBS/NYT poll shows.
>
> Obama's attack adds are as predictable as his continuing efforts to
school dropout for your (obviously inadvertent) spelling gaffe...
Alan Baker
Aug 10, 2012, 4:12:56 PM8/10/12
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In article <a9b6b212-58ec-4942...@googlegroups.com>,
Funny, Larry:
You never miss an opportunity to call out all the spelling errors in the
post of someone with a viewpoint that opposes your own...
You never miss an opportunity to call out all the spelling errors in the
post of someone with a viewpoint that opposes your own...
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