My final post about her, and proof that there is no such person as Felicity Lodge
"R&B"
Google.com, I have come to the conclusion that the name Felicty Lodge is one
that was dreamed up. There is no such person.
How have I concluded this? Follow along people. I know this is long, but
not nearly as long as the ordeal she's put us through, and I promise, this
is the last you'll ever hear from me concerning Felicity. Ever.
First, let's start by remembering her e-mail address, which is
feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk. Upon doing some research into the matter, I
have learned that the domain, grayhall.demon.co.uk is a "virtual domain."
In other words, it's a "homepage" account, provided to "her" by the ISP
DEMON.CO.UK (now known as DEMON.NET). By researching how DEMON.NET
configures the URLs of their customers' home pages, I learned that they put
the virtual domain name just ahead of their own. In this case,
GRAYHALL.demon.co.uk.
In other words, just as most ISPs in America configure their "home page"
addresses like this: http://www.mindspring.com/~randb (which is the way my
ISP does it on my main dial-up account), DEMON does it a little differently.
The customer picks a name -- in this case, "grayhall" -- and that name goes
in front of their root domain, demon.co.uk. That's how they do it. It says
so on their webpage.
So, upon visiting the website, http://www.grayhall.demon.co.uk we discover a
company called Excelsys, which deals in sales of used computer systems (and
has a poorly maintained website, which is still selling 1999 models).
(I have taken the liberty to copy the HTML code from this webpage, and also
to print out the webpage in .pdf file format, just in case "she" decides to
take it down. If you visit it and it's gone and you want to see it for
yourself, you can e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. I will NOT
respond to any inquiries about this, or anything Felicity-related, in this
newsgroup ever again.)
Why is it important to know about this webpage? Because on December 8th,
2001, I received a private e-mail from Felicity Lodge. She had long been
killfiled in my mail client (as well as in my newsreader), so I was somewhat
surprised that her e-mail got through. That is, until I realized it came
from a different e-mail address than the one she's always used,
feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk (which was what I had killfiled). Now,
because her private e-mail to me was posted to RSG as well, I am not
violating the netiquette law of re-posting private e-mail when I paste it
below. Pay particular attention to the address from which it was sent (I
believe many of you will recall this rather notorious message that appeared
in RSG):
----- Felicity's e-mail to me follows: -----
-----Original Message-----
From: Excelsys [mailto:exce...@grayhall.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 5:07 PM
To: Ra...@mindspring.com
Subject:
I have never willingly set out to antagonise
anyone in this newgroup, but I am not the kind
of person to sit down and be attacked without
exercising my right to reply. However there
appears to be an impasse, and with this post
I am trying to solve it.
From now until the end of the year, I will do
my utmost not to respond in any way to what
I perceive as attacks on myself. I will, as
do others, contribute on matters relating to Golf.
This will have the immediate effect of reducing
the number of posts.
If, by the New Year, posters keep attacking me
then it will clearly be down to them and I will
feel free to respond in any way that I think fit.
This is being done for the good name of the newsgroup.
How about it fellas?
----- end of Felicity's e-mail to me -----
Now, what's so interesting about this e-mail? Well, the originating e-mail
address is what's so interesting. It was not sent from
feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk. No, it came from
exce...@grayhall.demon.co.uk. It should be pointed out that I responded to
this e-mail, and she sent a reply back to me, so I know she received my
response when it was sent back to this "excelsys" address.
That means the e-mail address exce...@grayhall.demon.co.uk also belongs to
this person who goes by the name Felicity Lodge.
Why is that interesting? Well, because on the homepage,
http://www.grayhall.demon.co.uk, which belongs to Excelsys Computers, the
contact e-mail address for the company is none other than
exce...@grayhall.demon.co.uk.
So now we know where to find her in case anyone wants to send flowers.
I'm sure she won't mind me offering a little free publicity for her company
here, as she has so often voiced her support of "adverts." So, for those of
you interested in purchasing a 1999 computer from Excelsys, their other
contact information (Halifax & Huddersfield) in West Yorkshire, UK is:
Tel: Halifax 01422 379993
Tel/Fax: Huddersfield 01484 533999
Mobile: 07932 773253
I'm certain they'd welcome the business, and surely would love to unload
those old computers. If you happen to speak to her, please send my love.
Oh, it gets better...
Once I was able to determine with certainty that any newsgroup post which
originated from an e-mail address containing the @grayhall.demon.co.uk
virtual domain, I was able to do some real meaningful digging through the
archives of Google.com. By setting the search parameters with the author as
"@grayhall.demon.co.uk", I began sorting through what proved to be a most
interesting record of old posts...
Anyone wishing to look this up can do so. Just go to Google.com, then
select "groups," then select "advanced search." Then, when the search
engine comes up, merely specify the "author" as: @grayhall.demon.co.uk,
rather than her full e-mail address. You'll be astonished at some of the
things I found:
There have been several different individuals post to Usenet from her
virtual domain...
By keying in the date range starting with Jan 1, 1981 and ending with Dec
31, 1995, I was able to discover that the first posting to Usenet made from
the @grayhall.demon.co.uk virtual domain was made on September 22, 1995 by
JIM LODGE. This post was made to the newsgroup rec.nude, in which "Jim"
said, "My dad's 67th birthday will be on 28th September. He never gets many
cards due to his small remaining family. Mainly his son (me), wife and two
grandchildren..." No need for any more details here. That's right,
rec.nude. Look it up for yourself.
Other miscellaneous posts from the same virtual domain made by persons going
by the identities Jim Lodge and Phil Lodge can be found during this period,
in groups ranging from "triangle.personals.w-seeking-m" to
"rec.sport.rugby.league" to one made by Phil Lodge on 09 Nov 1995 to the
newsgroup "aus.culture.lesbigay." (Draw your own conclusions. I'm not
gay-bashing here, as I have no homophobic agenda whatsoever.)
Then, by widening the search parameters to include the era from 01 Jan 1996
thru 31 Dec 1997, we learn that the Lodge family has quite a few family
troubles. Posts to the newsgroup alt.support.menopause on 06 Jan 1996
reveals that "a colleague of ours [...] appears to have problems with her
temperment..."
Two weeks later, on 20 Jan 1996, Phil Lodge tells us in the newsgroup
alt.romance that "One male friend of mine dressed as a woman..."
Quite the wacky family, those Lodges, huh?
It was one month later that Phil Lodge must have launched his Excelsys
computer business, since posts started showing up at that time in numerous
newsgroups, hawking all the computer hardware he had for sale.
Then, toward the end of 1996, Phil Lodge started posting to groups such as
misc.entrepreneurs.moderated, alt.business.multi-level, etc., revealing
opportunities he wished to offer to others in numerous multi-level marketing
scams. This stuff gets really interesting, and I encourage you to go look
it up. Quite the scam artists, these people.
Every one of these posts came from the @grayhall.demon.co.uk virtual domain,
and almost every one of them came from someone named Lodge (a few were
authored by some innocuous name like "Business Opportunity," and somesuch),
but all to similarly titled newsgroups, and all saying about the same
things.
The family's interest in these multi-level marketing scams and sales of
their computer hardware dominated their posts for the next three years.
In fact, a search of all the posts from @grayhall.demon.co.uk in the years
1997, 1998 and 1999 reveals that their work continued in this area. In
fact, they started to dwindle in '99, so maybe that's why those old 1999
computers are still up on the website. Maybe they went out of business.
Who knows. In any case, there were no golf posts yet. Just a non-stop
barrage of spam, hawking sales of computers and multi-level marketing scams.
You wouldn't believe all the spam. It's pretty much the only thing they
posted for three years. Almost nothing but "adverts" for three straight
years. (No wonder Felicity is so opposed to the anti-spam rules in the RSG
FAQ. Now we know the reason.)
There were a few scattered messages other than spam during that period. Not
many, but a few. One that caught my eye was posted on 13 Jan 1997, from
Felicity Lodge, to the newsgroup, uk.legal:
"I am looking for some urgent help. I cannot afford to go to a solicitor.
I am a 58 year old spinster with an only child - a daughter in her early
thirties who is married with two infant children. [...]
I have had the same boyfriend for the last 17 years. He had his own house
but spends all his spare time at mine except during the summer months when
he slept at his own house. We have been all but married legally. [...] He
died just over a week ago leaving a will which left all his estate to his
only son." blah, blah, blah
I ask you: When have you ever heard of a 58-year-old referring to herself
as a "spinster?" In this day and age, 58 is still YOUNG! (Maybe a few
generations ago, 58-year-olds were considered old, but nowadays, fitness
centers, tennis courts, racketball courts and, yes, golf courses around the
world are filled with 58-year-olds.) Besides, the term "spinster" is a word
usually used by a MAN to describe an older woman. No woman I've ever heard
of would ever refer to herself that way.
Well, if some man in her life did die, as her post suggests, it wasn't Jim
Lodge, because three years later in 2000, the same JIM LODGE found
rec.sport.golf. On April 22nd, he made his first post to RSG, concerning a
club analysis program. Then, the next day, JIM LODGE asked in uk.sport.golf
"what is the difference between a pitching wedge, a lob wedge and a sand
wedge?" Jim Lodge made quite a few posts to RSG and USG during that period,
asking mostly newbie questions (which seems to correlate with the same time
"Felicity" claims to have started playing).
At the same time Jim Lodge was posting to RSG and USG, he was also
continuing to post more spam to various computer newsgroups, trying to
unload his computer hardware, while the name FELICITY LODGE started
appearing in a few more newsgroups, including rec.pets.dogs.breeds (and
other dog-related newsgroups): "We're thinking of buying a 'Brittany'
breed."
We also find Felicity posting in the newsgroup, uk.local.yorkshire, which
would seem to corraborate the location of Excelsys found on their home page,
to which I referred earlier in this article.
The very first post to RSG by the person who calls herself "Felicity Lodge"
came on 10 May 2000. "I play golf on a hilltop course, but only when the
weather is calm, as I tend to fall over when I swing in a strong gusty wind.
Can anyone advise me please."
You've got to be kidding me. We fell for that? Ahhh, 20/20 hindsight.
Several more posts to RSG from JIM LODGE are made on that same day. Then,
"Felicity" offers this gem on 10 May 2000:
"Is there a group for ladies' golfing advise? PS: If one has an inordinate
amount of weight around the chest, and also the rear, how should one set up?
Bent arms? Bottom out? Serious question, and thank you in advance..."
I could be wrong, but I believe this is the post where George Hibbard first
responded to her, offering advice on how to swing so her breasts wouldn't
interfere, if mammory serves. (Sorry. Pun intended.)
So now we know why this "spinster," who by this time is 61 years old, is
getting blown over in the wind -- she's top heavy. But apparently, that
oversized back side of hers isn't quite big enough to balance things out.
This is simply preposterous, people. Besides, honest to God, does any of
the above post sound like a question a WOMAN would ask, for heaven's sake?
What woman you've ever heard of would refer to her enormous buttocks?
This person was playing with us, people, and we bought into it -- hook, line
and sinker.
Another "Lodge" appears in late spring/early summer of 2000. A SUE LODGE
begins posting from the same virtual domain to many of the same dog
newsgroups we saw Felicity in before. One day she's asking about one breed
they're thinking of getting, the next day it's another breed. Similar
content. Similar ploy -- saying something foolishly outrageous (but just
tame enough to seem plausible) to evoke a response from the good-natured,
unwitting participants in the group.
At about this same time, the persona of "Jim Lodge" stopped posting entirely
in rec.sport.golf and uk.sport.golf, and the only "Lodge" that continued
posting in the golf newsgroups was Felicity. The new identity begins to
take on a life of itself.
Did Jim Lodge suddenly lose interest in golf? C'mon people. This makes no
sense.
Then there was the other name of Derek Mauger, who posted to various
newsgroups, including uk.sport.golf, uk.adverts.other,
uk.local.yorkshire.noticeboard, alt.golf.forsale and others about his Lynx
irons he was trying to sell. His e-mail address?
de...@grayhall.demon.co.uk. Same virtual domain. Why, "Felicity" even
shilled for him, posting a few messages to encourage others to buy his golf
clubs.
Okay, people... it's time for a reality check. Here's what we now know for
certain:
The virtual domain, grayhall.demon.co.uk belongs to the person we know as
Felicity Lodge. We also know that various other online personas have posted
to numerous newsgroups from that same virtual domain, some of whom seem to
display a somewhat...uh...shall we say...peculiar behavior pattern (to put
it nicely). We also know that some of the posts seem to validate the
connection between this virtual domain and the Excelsys computers company,
which is indisputably connected to the person we know as Felicity Lodge (we
know this for sure because of the e-mail I received from that address). So,
because of what appears on the Excelsys homepage, we also know that Felicity
Lodge lives in or near Yorkshire.
Well, I did a little search this evening on the website AskJeeves.com. I
asked Jeeves, "who is felicity lodge?" You'll never believe what came up as
the very first response...
Felicity Lodge 6001: The Freemasons of the Province of Yorkshire. That's
right, people. Felicity Lodge is a freemason's lodge in Yorkshire, the same
town where Excelsys computers is located.
People, we've been had.
There is no person named Felicity Lodge. The person we know as Felicity
Lodge is, in fact, either Jim Lodge, Phil Lodge, Sue Lodge, Derek Mauger,
one of the other morphed identities I found while digging through the
archives of Google.com, or someone else altogether whose identity remains a
mystery to us. It's all been a sham, just like "her" multi-level marketing
schemes.
She is not only a troll, she's a deceptive liar. And if you want to know
what I think, she's probably a he.
Look it up for yourself in Google.
THEREFORE...
BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH PERSON AS FELICITY LODGE, I now wish to publicly
concur with Chris Bellomy, who has issued an official "Usenet Ignore
Penalty" concerning the person we have come to know as Felicity Lodge. I
will re-state Chris's message here for the record, followed by the agreement
to ignore Felicity and other trolls in RSG:
Chris Bellomy wrote:
"After some informal discussions in private email with a few regulars
here, I have decided the time has come to request a full Usenet Ignore
Penalty (UIP) against the most obvious and antagonistic trolls in rsg.
This UIP is, of course, fully voluntary; each of you is encouraged to
do your own thinking and follow your own conscience on this matter.
However, I am convinced that a coordinated UIP is the surest way to
restore a higher signal:noise ratio to this group.
What do I mean by "ignore?" It goes beyond killfiling, or resisting
the impulse to reply to outrageous or inflammatory statements. We
must take the next steps, as well: We must not even mention these
trolls in passing, in humor, or in contempt. We must not mention
them *at all*. In a properly executed UIP, the recipients of that
UIP essentially cease to exist, even as a memory, except possibly
insofar as the data packets carrying their unread posts faintly
rattle around the network. They cease to exist. The group merely
goes on about its business as if the trolls never showed up.
Who are the trolls in question? In the spirit of the UIP, I would
prefer not to name names. However -- and I speak just for myself
here -- I would be less than honest not to name Felicity Lodge as the
prime example and motivator behind this effort. Most of you are
probably well acquainted with her favored techniques. They include
the making of allusions to a hostile old guard, or "clique," in this
group; repeated complaints about smear tactics being used by their
adversaries; a simultaneous plea to "just talk golf" while continuing
to engage in inflammatory accusations unrelated to golf; and quickly
embracing certain unpopular (but not trollish) contributors to the
group as a way of demonstrating "mob mentality" among those who dislike
those contributors.
Other trolls might have their own methods. My belief is that
anyone who shows up making inflammatory statements with the
apparent intent of drawing attention to himself is probably a
troll. There are others, besides Felicity, who are on my
personal list, but I won't mention them here. The point is
that I encourage you always to ignore trolls as completely as
possible. (My intent, btw, is for this to be my last ever mention
of Felicity in rsg.)
Finally, to make this a coordinated effort, I would like for anyone
who agrees to participate in this UIP to followup to this post,
quote only the paragraph that follows, and write, "I agree," where
others can clearly see it. (You may wish to add specific further
comment after that, as I have.) This henceforth will be referred
to as the "2002 RSG Pledge." If you agree to it, prepare to get
grief from me if you break it! :) But remember: I respect that
the degree to which you participate in this is entirely your
decision. Some of you may prefer to silently participate without
publicly embracing the pledge. I respect that choice, too.
---cut here if you agree---
"In the interest of preserving the usefulness of rec.sport.golf
as a forum for discussion of the game as well as a place for
friends to affiliate in a collegial manner, I agree not to respond
in rsg to any posts made seemingly solely to disrupt that atmosphere,
regardless of their inflammatory or even defamatory nature.
Further, I agree that those who habitually post in such a fashion
are not worthy of any discussion or even mention in rec.sport.golf,
and that therefore I will not make any specific mention of any
of these individuals in any post to this newsgroup."
Therefore, because I now absolutely believe beyond a reasonable doubt that
there is no such person as Felicity Lodge, I AGREE to this Usenet Ignore
Penalty, and will never again be sucked in by "her" antics. Furthermore, I
will refrain in the future from ever responding to "her" or mentioning "her"
name again in any context, now that the truth is known. And I will do my
darndest to refrain from getting sucked in by similar tactics by others, and
particularly those who may later prove to be nothing more than a morphed
persona of the same person who has proven to be capable of changing "her"
identity numerous times in the past.
My only regret is that I didn't take the time to do this research earlier.
Might have saved me a few "grayhall" hairs.
Bye-bye, Felicity, or whoever the hell you are.
Randy
Steve K. Lee
<SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote:
[great insight into Fellatio Lover snipped]
Randy, let's just ignore the beast, just like what Chris has propsed
to do. Oh, I see you have already. Ignore it and it will go away.
But even if it doesn't, who cares, as far as we're concerned, it
doesn't exist.
Best,
Steve K. Lee
Dave Holo
news:a1e95g$nqq$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
> There is no such person.
>
As who?
Lotta work there, Rockford, but it was an interesting read. I guess I should
trust my instincts, as I several times posted about both the correct gender
and the trolling motivations of whoever it was you were talking about. Hell,
I even got trolled in email a couple of times. The "nice guy" in me
sometimes get sucked in for hating to believe that anyone could actually be
such a schmuck. When there's not all that much on the line, I tend to err on
the side of acceptance. Maybe I'll learn. BTW, there's probably no need to
include anyone specific in "the pledge" now, is there?
Well, now that I've gotten it off my chest in the preceding paragraph, I'm
taking the pledge. It's in my sig.
--------------------------
May your next round be your best round.
Dave
Please: no spam, off topic, or crossposts as explained in the
RSG FAQ: at http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html
RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/holod.htm
I took the RSG anti-trolling pledge: Jan 8, 2002
Scott Shirey
<snip>
>Felicity Lodge 6001: The
>Freemasons of the
>Province of Yorkshire.
>That's right, people.
>Felicity Lodge is a
>freemason's lodge in
>Yorkshire, the same town
>where Excelsys computers
>is located.
Freemason! Talk about the, "clique calling the kettle black." My bet
is that half of the e-mail spam that RSG'ers have received this last
year was generated by FL pulling peoples email address off RSG posts.
It's the old narrow focus marketing plan in action.
Pump up GH in the group, then get a piece of the UK (PAL) rights to his
video distribution by helping out with a marketing plan. The only
reason FL hang around was to try and figure out a way into poor old
GH's pockets.
Holy shit, now I'm starting to feel bad for George.
-ss
RSG roll call
http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/shireys.htm
Felicity
abusive messages as you have. *YOU* remain the biggest troll on RSG. Often
subtle. Often abusive. I come here to read about golf, but will reserve my
right to reply to it. I do not reward terrorism. This is a free
international board, and not one designed to be ruled by a set of cliqers
who have met at events.
As has been said previously, ...the word "Troll" is *not* defined as someone
with principles who happens to disagree with trouble-makers like you; it's
*not* defined as someone who has no choice but to frequently defend herself
and rebut antagonistic drivel dished out by bullies; it's *not* defined as
a newbie who happens to find someones golf products work for them; it's
*not* defined as an individual who believes in freedom of speech; it's
*not* defined as someone who finds the repressive practises of extremist
thought police like Mike Dalecki & co hugely distasteful; it's not someone
who voices a different opinion when the RSG "anti-spam" evangelist preaches
to the rest of the group about strategies to combat his extended definition
of spam, irrespective of amount of collateral damage,increased noise levels,
wasted badwidth etc; it's *not* defined as someone who finds much of the
behaviour of a handful of instigators absolutely disgraceful; its *not*
defined as someone who sticks to their principles and resolutely refuses to
join in the practises of your exclusive faction; it's *not* defined as
someone who refuses to strut around the playground alongside one group who
are hell-bent on imposing their will on another group because they happened
to be there first.
You know what you are doing...as you and the rest of your childish old-guard
inner-clique (as you call yourselves) know only too well, the word "troll"
wasn't designed for the selfish and sinister purposes of a propagandist
minority in a news group seeking to garner innocent hearts & minds; it
wasn't designed for those who wish to caricature and smear others for their
own selfish purposes encouraging others, inc newbies, to do the same....this
is a free world-wide golf discussion board, and I think we've seen recently
that many rsg'ers now feel it's time to move on from all the twisted
politics and noise of the last 14months...... why not consider being
somewhat less selective with your civility - it'll make a refreshing change!
--
F.
If *anyone* at all has any suggestions or contributions to make
to the GOLF SWING TECHNIQUE FAQ, then please either
e-mail them to me at feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk or add a
post to the relevant thread in the newsgroup rec.sport.golf.
skip
In article <1010488762.14041....@news.demon.co.uk>, "Felicity"
Scott Shirey
<snip a do da day>
When the truth smacks you on the ass, it tends to hurt. Doesn't it.
J.T.
""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote in message
<snip, the biggest I've ever made :) >
Great work, undeniable facts, but...
Isn't usenet an open forum? Just letters on my computer screen? Only bits
and bytes in cyberspace?
Usenet groups are not any communities or clubs. If someone wants to write
using his own name, fine. If not, that's fine too. Wrong names and aliases -
why not? Even lie - you can't control it.
If someone wants to create a controlled discussion group, the only way is to
have it html based, including checked registration. Usenet just does not
work that way.
I also don't like Felicity's posts and just ignore them. But I don't care if
the person who writes them is real? Why should you care?
Aren't you now trying to accomplist the impossible mission, to modify usenet
to suit you?
Wishes,
J.T.
Dariusz
"J.T." wrote:
>
> ""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote in message
>
> <snip, the biggest I've ever made :) >
>
> Great work, undeniable facts, but...
>
> Isn't usenet an open forum? Just letters on my computer screen? Only bits
> and bytes in cyberspace?
>
> Usenet groups are not any communities or clubs. If someone wants to write
> using his own name, fine. If not, that's fine too. Wrong names and aliases -
> why not? Even lie - you can't control it.
>
> If someone wants to create a controlled discussion group, the only way is to
> have it html based, including checked registration.
Nope.
You can steel create e-mailed closed-circuit discussion.
Usenet just does not
> work that way.
Sometimes does. Look at some moderated usenet groups.
(cut)
Jacek
Mike Dalecki
Why is this so bothersome to you, J.T.? I'm at a loss here. Why can't
people choose to ignore someone like this?
Meanwhile, I see you're being reeled in by Dariusz. "Any
recommendations for a driver I can hit 300-400 yards?" Funny.
Mike
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Bruce Newman
<SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote:
> After doing a fairly extensive amount of research thru the archives of
> Google.com, I have come to the conclusion that the name Felicty Lodge is one
> that was dreamed up. There is no such person.
[...snip...]
I laughed my ass off at this one:
---
From: (Feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Moods and Temperament
Newsgroups: alt.support.menopause Original
Date: 1996/01/06
We are looking for some form of help, or at least clarification for, a
colleague of ours who appears to have problems with her temperament.
Her mood swings from being very nice and friendly to being rather nasty
and horrible to her fellow human beings! She seems to react to the same
thing differently at different times! She has mentioned in the past
that she suffers from "PMT" ("PMS" now perhaps!?) but she hasn't
mentioned that since.
Are mood swings experienced by females more than males and do they
greatly affect their lives and work? Are the hormone related?
She is in her early forties.
She is very outgoing and not at all shy. Whenever there's a meeting she
seems to do most of the talking, including at large union meetings.
She is very critical of others and seems to enjoy "stirring" or
agitating in
the background (or getting others to do it) when there's something
controversal in the air!
She occasionally has these dramatic outbursts (usually, but not
necessarily always) with male colleagues! "Oh piss off.." etc and
storms
out of the office to return and remain in a "quiet" mode/mood!
When this occurs she might apologise but seems to expect an apology in
return (from an innocent party!) for upsetting her! She accuses others
of
winding her up when 95% of the time they remain quiet doing their
work while she talks for 90% of the time!
She does appear very sensitive to jibes/criticsm however slight but is
extremely prolific when it comes to criticising or jibing at
others!!!!!!!!!
Inequality or what? Only one-way traffic is permissible! It seems that
almost everyone at work makes allowances for her (or are frightened!)
temperament by living with this one-way selfish system. We do but we
are not 100% happy about it.
She is good at her job and is a valued friend and colleague, oddly
enough.
ALL THOUGHTS VERY VERY WELCOME.
We appreciate any help or analysis you may be able to provide.
Thanks in anticipation,
Felicity and Jim.
-------------------------------------------------------
Bruce E. Newman * bene...@nbnet.nb.ca * Fredericton, NB, Canada
http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm
http://go.to/bruce_newman
Dariusz
Mike Dalecki wrote:
>
> "J.T." wrote:
> >
> > ""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote in message
> >
> > <snip, the biggest I've ever made :) >
> >
> > Great work, undeniable facts, but...
> >
> > Isn't usenet an open forum? Just letters on my computer screen? Only bits
> > and bytes in cyberspace?
> >
> > Usenet groups are not any communities or clubs. If someone wants to write
> > using his own name, fine. If not, that's fine too. Wrong names and aliases -
> > why not? Even lie - you can't control it.
> >
> > If someone wants to create a controlled discussion group, the only way is to
> > have it html based, including checked registration. Usenet just does not
> > work that way.
> >
> > I also don't like Felicity's posts and just ignore them. But I don't care if
> > the person who writes them is real? Why should you care?
> >
> > Aren't you now trying to accomplist the impossible mission, to modify usenet
> > to suit you?
> >
> > Wishes,
> > J.T.
>
> Why is this so bothersome to you, J.T.? I'm at a loss here. Why can't
> people choose to ignore someone like this?
>
> Meanwhile, I see you're being reeled in by Dariusz. "Any
> recommendations for a driver I can hit 300-400 yards?" Funny.
Exactly.
My interests are mine, your interests are yours.
I am building world's first real 3D computer golf simulator (virtual
reality).
and i am interested in :
- computer assisted designing of new golf courses,
- acquiring a new record hitting driver (300-400 yards) from Victor
Johansson
- history of golf
- building hickory shafted old-fashioned clubs
enough to keep me busy for next 10 years,
so please don't refer me in your "trolls speak about trolling"
discussions.
I am not interested.
RSG is for golf discussions and not for troll discussions or discussions
by trolls.
Wish you luck in 2002 anyway.
In my opinion Victor is the world's best swinger, so one day i would
like to meet him and take some lessons.
He is really the best with his record long drives.
http://www.chichigroup.com/viktor_johansson.htm
greetings,
Jacek
Robert Hamilton
Rob
--
__________________________________________________________________
RSG-MS
RSG Masters
http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS.html
__________________________________________________________________
Gregg Little aka ghoststep
""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote in message
> After doing a fairly extensive amount of research thru the archives
of
> Google.com, I have come to the conclusion that the name Felicty
Lodge is one
> that was dreamed up. There is no such person.
Bravo, Bravo.
bkn...@conramp.net
<ghos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:
:""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote in message
Who?
___
\o '
|
/ \
.
"Someone likes every shot"
bk
Dudley Cornman
dsc
Scott Fryar
>
>So now we know where to find her in case anyone wants to send flowers.
>
>I'm sure she won't mind me offering a little free publicity for her company
>here, as she has so often voiced her support of "adverts." So, for those
of
>you interested in purchasing a 1999 computer from Excelsys, their other
>contact information (Halifax & Huddersfield) in West Yorkshire, UK is:
>
>Tel: Halifax 01422 379993
>Tel/Fax: Huddersfield 01484 533999
>Mobile: 07932 773253
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9gt8eg%24mfh%240%40dosa.alt.net
Steve Horvath
""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote > Oh, it gets better...
>
> Once I was able to determine with certainty that any newsgroup post which
> originated from an e-mail address containing the @grayhall.demon.co.uk
> virtual domain, I was able to do some real meaningful digging through the
> archives of Google.com. By setting the search parameters with the author
as
> "@grayhall.demon.co.uk", I began sorting through what proved to be a most
> interesting record of old posts...
>
> Anyone wishing to look this up can do so. Just go to Google.com, then
> select "groups," then select "advanced search." Then, when the search
> engine comes up, merely specify the "author" as: @grayhall.demon.co.uk,
> rather than her full e-mail address. You'll be astonished at some of the
> things I found:
Folks, I too discovered all this about 6 weeks ago, and saved a "best of"
Phil, Jim, Sue, Gordon, early Felicity, excelsys, bsuccess, autrum(sp?) in
case they mysteriously start to disappear from the archives.
Mike W
>
Enough of your tired old shit, what about Randy's allegations? Why don't you
"speak the truth" now? You've been found out liar.
you are pathetic.
johnty
<080120020943495457%bene...@nbnet.nb.ca>, Bruce Newman wrote..
>I laughed my ass off at this one:
>
>---
>From: (Feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk)
>Subject: Moods and Temperament
>Newsgroups: alt.support.menopause Original
>Date: 1996/01/06
>
>We are looking for some form of help, or at least clarification for, a
>colleague of ours who appears to have problems with her temperament.
>
So Randy's next task is to see if there is a 28-day cycle evident in the tone of
F's posts....
Gregg Little aka ghoststep
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> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:22:26 -0600, "Gregg Little aka ghoststep"
> <ghos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote in message
> :news:a1e95g$nqq$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
> :> After doing a fairly extensive amount of research thru the
archives
> :of
is one
> :> that was dreamed up. There is no such person.
> :
> :Bravo, Bravo.
>
> Who?
>
Felicity
FYI - I do not post as anyone but me...ever. The grayhall intranet is
used by many - do not tar me with the same brush for your own purposes.
As has been mentioned before by another, some say that Randy seeks with his
good command of the written word, a power over others... a little man with
a big opinion of himself who is encouraged with the support of those who are
unable to articulate themselves adequately in his chosen forum.
BTW, he's noy quite on his own - I would also say that Mike Dalecki does the
same, but without the many different faces.
Randy Brown is the biggest troll I have ever come across. Subtle quite
often, though sometimes abusive, and constantly feels the need to draw
attention to himself. Look at how many new threads he starts. I dare to
utter the truth and risk him "spitting in my face" if he ever he meets me -
as he puts it....what histrionics....I doubt he'd say that if I lived close
to home....well, we do look forward to meeting him...watch this space
folks...
Never before have I come across such unsavoury, highly manipulative and
politically twisted individuals as R & M....what a formidable pair...
Jon Green
> Several more posts to RSG from JIM LODGE are made on that same day. Then,
> "Felicity" offers this gem on 10 May 2000:
>
> "Is there a group for ladies' golfing advise? PS: If one has an
inordinate
> amount of weight around the chest, and also the rear, how should one set
up?
> Bent arms? Bottom out? Serious question, and thank you in advance..."
>
> I could be wrong, but I believe this is the post where George Hibbard
first
> responded to her, offering advice on how to swing so her breasts wouldn't
> interfere, if mammory serves. (Sorry. Pun intended.)
First of all, you scare me. How can I burn everything I've ever posted :-)
Secondly, I remember that post, and someone replied with one of the funniest
posts I've ever seen. And Felicity (?) took offense to it. I figured the
original post was a joke anyway.
Any way to dig up the reply or access the thread?
Schnitzengruben
> "In the interest of preserving the usefulness of rec.sport.golf
> as a forum for discussion of the game as well as a place for
> friends to affiliate in a collegial manner, I agree not to respond
> in rsg to any posts made seemingly solely to disrupt that atmosphere,
> regardless of their inflammatory or even defamatory nature.
> Further, I agree that those who habitually post in such a fashion
> are not worthy of any discussion or even mention in rec.sport.golf,
> and that therefore I will not make any specific mention of any
> of these individuals in any post to this newsgroup."
>
> Therefore, because I now absolutely believe beyond a reasonable doubt that
> there is no such person as Felicity Lodge, I AGREE to this Usenet Ignore
> Penalty, and will never again be sucked in by "her" antics. Furthermore, I
> will refrain in the future from ever responding to "her" or mentioning "her"
> name again in any context, now that the truth is known. And I will do my
> darndest to refrain from getting sucked in by similar tactics by others, and
> particularly those who may later prove to be nothing more than a morphed
> persona of the same person who has proven to be capable of changing "her"
> identity numerous times in the past.
>
> My only regret is that I didn't take the time to do this research earlier.
> Might have saved me a few "grayhall" hairs.
>
> Bye-bye, Felicity, or whoever the hell you are.
Schnitzengruben
Randy -- On behalf of the "frequent lurkers and only occasional posters" that
probably comprise a large part of this ng -- thank you, thank you, and once
more, thank you -- for having the skill, patience, and tenacity to do the
background work and presentation of this information. As others have mentioned,
I too, feel kind of bad for George -- he seems to have genuinely "gotten it
(Usenet ettiquette)" over time, but it must have been tough for him to see
through the large amount of wool that had been pulled over his eyes.
-- -----------------------------------------
Schnitz
"I don't think the rough stuff's blowin' in for a couple hours, yer Eminence.
I'd keep playin'." -- Carl Spackler
RSG roll call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/kleinertt.htm
Perfect Impact
"Jon Green" <jgreenN...@home.com> wrote in message
news:K2O_7.364234$5A3.13...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com...
appropriate, and I've seen women LPGA pros who were clueless how to answer
it.
'
I did answer it in I think my very first post in newsgroups - could have
been in UK, [other than a six-month earlier post to rsg looking for book and
video resellers}.
I didn't hear anything in the query that was fishy, and the thread became
months long...
Lots of funny responses - half from women.
My wife is herself a model in my book for how to handle the problem - she is
not a golfer but she has the build to illustrate the problem and the
solution. So I took it seriously knowing a lot of women have the question
and virtually no confidence that younger pros would begin to guess what to
do about it. One of McLean's lady assistants gave it the old "do the best
you can" response on the golf channel.
Wish I could remember the funny response referred to above - the thread had
lots of tongue-in-cheek stuff in replies and got a lot of air time.
GH
Perfect Impact
"Schnitzengruben" <TKLE...@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3C3B599A...@mn.rr.com...
Not a fair characterization of George, this.
I am not naive. I see a lot to both sides. I myself have had issues here
with several people independently of the flame wars that go on beyond my own
posts.
I never wanted to get embroiled in controversy but I do know what I wrote
and said in my materials and some of it was being misrepresented. Felicity
staunchly defended its truth and clarity of message and I am grateful for
her tenacity. I see that as fairly courageous and praiseworthy.
Many other presumptions and attitudinal positions of posters here have been
less than admirable or praiseworthy as well, including several of my own
outbursts.
My caps lock key is out of commission...., and I avoid confrontations now as
much as possible.
Brad had me nailed for something so blame him.
Good day, y'all.
I do like to chat golf and in the spirit of exchange, humor, fairness, and
civility.
I'm retreating to my cubby ['puter desk] and obsession (I told Randy some
time ago that I'm a junkie) to chat about my passion while my wife watches
prime time. I hate tv for the most part.
Even the news has commercials every 30 seconds. Ugh.
GH
Chris Bellomy
: I do like to chat golf and in the spirit of exchange, humor, fairness, and
: civility.
Me too. In humor, mostly, but otherwise, me too.
cb
Jeff Connelly
"Perfect Impact" <g...@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
news:FqO_7.108$623....@news1.atlantic.net...
>
> I didn't hear anything in the query that was fishy, and the thread became
> months long...
Sometimes I don't know if it's a troll or not and I respond anyway - usually
*someone* out there finds it interesting, if not the regulars.
Greg Schoenberg
--
RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/schoenbergg.htm
I do not feed trolls....see the RSG UIP
http://home.globalfrontiers.com/rorider/
"Perfect Impact" <g...@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
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>
My wife is herself a model in my book for how to handle the problem - she is
> not a golfer but she has the build to illustrate the problem and the
> solution.
When I saw your picture on your web page, I remember thinking....now there
is a happy man.
Now I know why! :>
Perfect Impact
"Greg Schoenberg" <de...@cnnw.net> wrote in message
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As a friend of mine, and a great golfer puts it, I GUARANDAMNTEE IT!
G
>
>
David Simpson
sleuthing since Holmes set off in desperate search of Prof. Moriarty. Seriously,
I hope this was therapeutic for you. Was personally convinced long ago that
"Felicity" was some wacky sort of Internet persona and in all likelihood a male.
In any case, thanks to your ferreting, we now know a lot more about "her" (it?)
than most of us ever expected (or wanted) to know. Kudos. . .and best wishes for
a speedy recovery.
--
"Philosophy is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black hat which isn't
there." -- C.S.C. Bowen (English jurist and writer of nonsense verse).
--
Home Page: http://condor.depaul.edu/~dsimpson
Greg Wilson
in article a1e95g$nqq$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net, "R&B" at
SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM imagined he was Joe Hardy and wrote on 1/8/02 3:03
AM:
> After doing a fairly extensive amount of research thru the archives of
> Google.com, I have come to the conclusion that the name Felicty Lodge is one
> that was dreamed up. There is no such person.
>
> How have I concluded this? Follow along people. I know this is long, but
> not nearly as long as the ordeal she's put us through, and I promise, this
> is the last you'll ever hear from me concerning Felicity. Ever.
>
> First, let's start by remembering her e-mail address, which is
> feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk. Upon doing some research into the matter, I
> have learned that the domain, grayhall.demon.co.uk is a "virtual domain."
> In other words, it's a "homepage" account, provided to "her" by the ISP
> DEMON.CO.UK (now known as DEMON.NET). By researching how DEMON.NET
> configures the URLs of their customers' home pages, I learned that they put
> the virtual domain name just ahead of their own. In this case,
> GRAYHALL.demon.co.uk.
>
> In other words, just as most ISPs in America configure their "home page"
> addresses like this: http://www.mindspring.com/~randb (which is the way my
> ISP does it on my main dial-up account), DEMON does it a little differently.
> The customer picks a name -- in this case, "grayhall" -- and that name goes
> in front of their root domain, demon.co.uk. That's how they do it. It says
> so on their webpage.
>
Right, and that "account" could be a business or "family" who all use the
ISP to get their mail all sharing that domain name. The ISP allows for
unlimited email accounts. This allows a family to give a separate email
address within the domain to each family member or a company to give an
email account to every employee. (That's how they do it, it says so in their
webpage)
Let's suppose there was a family called the Lodge Family living in the UK.
Jim Lodge is about 42 and is self employed. His wife is Felicity, 39, and
they has two children (in '95 4 and 2 about 10 and 8 now, give or take 1/2
a year).
Any self employed person needs internet access and Jim obtained it through
Demon.co.uk. They give you a domain name and unlimited email addresses. Jim
chose the grayhall name and gave emails to himself, his wife and father, 68
year old Gordon. Jim also set-up an account for his cousin Phil.
> So, upon visiting the website, http://www.grayhall.demon.co.uk we discover a
> company called Excelsys, which deals in sales of used computer systems (and
> has a poorly maintained website, which is still selling 1999 models).
>
He tried selling refurbished computers and put up some systems on the
internet. That didn't work out great, so he never did much with it. He still
uses the email though.
<Snip>
> Now, what's so interesting about this e-mail? Well, the originating e-mail
> address is what's so interesting. It was not sent from
> feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk. No, it came from
> exce...@grayhall.demon.co.uk. It should be pointed out that I responded to
> this e-mail, and she sent a reply back to me, so I know she received my
> response when it was sent back to this "excelsys" address.
>
> That means the e-mail address exce...@grayhall.demon.co.uk also belongs to
> this person who goes by the name Felicity Lodge.
>
Jim set up a generic business email address for the company. Felicity and
Jim both read this as well as their own "personal" emails. At home, Jim and
Felicity all share the same computer. Sometimes they've been know to send
"personal" emails from their company email account and vice versa.
> Why is that interesting? Well, because on the homepage,
> http://www.grayhall.demon.co.uk, which belongs to Excelsys Computers, the
> contact e-mail address for the company is none other than
> exce...@grayhall.demon.co.uk.
>
> So now we know where to find her in case anyone wants to send flowers.
>
<snip>
>
> Oh, it gets better...
>
let's hope...
> There have been several different individuals post to Usenet from her
> virtual domain...
>
> By keying in the date range starting with Jan 1, 1981 and ending with Dec
> 31, 1995, I was able to discover that the first posting to Usenet made from
> the @grayhall.demon.co.uk virtual domain was made on September 22, 1995 by
> JIM LODGE. This post was made to the newsgroup rec.nude, in which "Jim"
> said, "My dad's 67th birthday will be on 28th September. He never gets many
> cards due to his small remaining family. Mainly his son (me), wife and two
> grandchildren..." No need for any more details here. That's right,
> rec.nude. Look it up for yourself.
>
Jim's Dad, Gordon is a bit of a geezer, but still loves a bit of "tit and
bum". Jim played a trick on him once and had a number of people send him
"dirty" emails for his birthday. Some of them were pretty funny and Gordon
talked about it for days...
> Other miscellaneous posts from the same virtual domain made by persons going
> by the identities Jim Lodge and Phil Lodge can be found during this period,
> in groups ranging from "triangle.personals.w-seeking-m" to
> "rec.sport.rugby.league" to one made by Phil Lodge on 09 Nov 1995 to the
> newsgroup "aus.culture.lesbigay." (Draw your own conclusions. I'm not
> gay-bashing here, as I have no homophobic agenda whatsoever.)
>
Back in '95 Phil helped his friend Dave Parker get going on email. Dave's
gay, and proud of it. (Though some suspect Phil of not coming of the
closet). Either way, Felicity doesn't try to be too judgmental. She's used
to the going's with English MP's so Phil's friends are tame by comparison.
> Then, by widening the search parameters to include the era from 01 Jan 1996
> thru 31 Dec 1997, we learn that the Lodge family has quite a few family
> troubles. Posts to the newsgroup alt.support.menopause on 06 Jan 1996
> reveals that "a colleague of ours [...] appears to have problems with her
> temperment..."
>
> Two weeks later, on 20 Jan 1996, Phil Lodge tells us in the newsgroup
> alt.romance that "One male friend of mine dressed as a woman..."
>
That would probably be Phil's friend Dave Parker.
> Quite the wacky family, those Lodges, huh?
>
The Lodges are pretty normal folk. They have some troubled and wacky friends
though...
> It was one month later that Phil Lodge must have launched his Excelsys
> computer business, since posts started showing up at that time in numerous
> newsgroups, hawking all the computer hardware he had for sale.
>
> Then, toward the end of 1996, Phil Lodge started posting to groups such as
> misc.entrepreneurs.moderated, alt.business.multi-level, etc., revealing
> opportunities he wished to offer to others in numerous multi-level marketing
> scams. This stuff gets really interesting, and I encourage you to go look
> it up. Quite the scam artists, these people.
>
<Snip>
>
Phil bugged a lot of people with the spam, but I guess everyone has to make
a buck.
> There were a few scattered messages other than spam during that period. Not
> many, but a few. One that caught my eye was posted on 13 Jan 1997, from
> Felicity Lodge, to the newsgroup, uk.legal:
>
> "I am looking for some urgent help. I cannot afford to go to a solicitor.
> I am a 58 year old spinster with an only child - a daughter in her early
> thirties who is married with two infant children. [...]
Felicity's mother is a 58 year old spinster whose live-in boyfriend died
suddenly. When Felicity found out that her mother was shunned in the will
she posted a email on uk.legal giving the details. She would have set he mom
up but there wasn't much point, she lives 200 miles away and doesn't have a
computer.
> I have had the same boyfriend for the last 17 years. He had his own house
> but spends all his spare time at mine except during the summer months when
> he slept at his own house. We have been all but married legally. [...] He
> died just over a week ago leaving a will which left all his estate to his
> only son." blah, blah, blah
>
> I ask you: When have you ever heard of a 58-year-old referring to herself
> as a "spinster?" In this day and age, 58 is still YOUNG! (Maybe a few
> generations ago, 58-year-olds were considered old, but nowadays, fitness
> centers, tennis courts, racketball courts and, yes, golf courses around the
> world are filled with 58-year-olds.) Besides, the term "spinster" is a word
> usually used by a MAN to describe an older woman. No woman I've ever heard
> of would ever refer to herself that way.
>
Felicity lives in England, and to North Americans sometimes it seems like
they are talking a different language (they are!)
> Well, if some man in her life did die, as her post suggests, it wasn't Jim
> Lodge, because three years later in 2000, the same JIM LODGE found
> rec.sport.golf. On April 22nd, he made his first post to RSG, concerning a
> club analysis program. Then, the next day, JIM LODGE asked in uk.sport.golf
> "what is the difference between a pitching wedge, a lob wedge and a sand
> wedge?" Jim Lodge made quite a few posts to RSG and USG during that period,
> asking mostly newbie questions (which seems to correlate with the same time
> "Felicity" claims to have started playing).
>
No, it wasn't Jim, it's was Felicity's mother's boyfriend.
> At the same time Jim Lodge was posting to RSG and USG, he was also
> continuing to post more spam to various computer newsgroups, trying to
> unload his computer hardware, while the name FELICITY LODGE started
> appearing in a few more newsgroups, including rec.pets.dogs.breeds (and
> other dog-related newsgroups): "We're thinking of buying a 'Brittany'
> breed."
>
The kids were getting older now and were really "hounding" the Lodge's for a
pet. Those of us with kids will certainly identify with that.
> We also find Felicity posting in the newsgroup, uk.local.yorkshire, which
> would seem to corraborate the location of Excelsys found on their home page,
> to which I referred earlier in this article.
>
> The very first post to RSG by the person who calls herself "Felicity Lodge"
> came on 10 May 2000. "I play golf on a hilltop course, but only when the
> weather is calm, as I tend to fall over when I swing in a strong gusty wind.
> Can anyone advise me please."
>
> You've got to be kidding me. We fell for that? Ahhh, 20/20 hindsight.
>
> Several more posts to RSG from JIM LODGE are made on that same day. Then,
> "Felicity" offers this gem on 10 May 2000:
>
> "Is there a group for ladies' golfing advise? PS: If one has an inordinate
> amount of weight around the chest, and also the rear, how should one set up?
> Bent arms? Bottom out? Serious question, and thank you in advance..."
>
Felicity's figure suffered when she had her first child, she hadn't lost the
weight when she got pregnant the second time. She's trying to take up golf
now to get some exercise and lose some weight. It's difficult for her though
as her body, like so many women who've had children, isn't well suited to
the golfing motion...ahem...
> I could be wrong, but I believe this is the post where George Hibbard first
> responded to her, offering advice on how to swing so her breasts wouldn't
> interfere, if mammory serves. (Sorry. Pun intended.)
>
> So now we know why this "spinster," who by this time is 61 years old, is
> getting blown over in the wind -- she's top heavy. But apparently, that
> oversized back side of hers isn't quite big enough to balance things out.
> This is simply preposterous, people. Besides, honest to God, does any of
> the above post sound like a question a WOMAN would ask, for heaven's sake?
> What woman you've ever heard of would refer to her enormous buttocks?
>
Felicities mother is the 67 year old spinister who doesn't golf...
> This person was playing with us, people, and we bought into it -- hook, line
> and sinker.
>
> Another "Lodge" appears in late spring/early summer of 2000. A SUE LODGE
> begins posting from the same virtual domain to many of the same dog
> newsgroups we saw Felicity in before. One day she's asking about one breed
> they're thinking of getting, the next day it's another breed. Similar
> content. Similar ploy -- saying something foolishly outrageous (but just
> tame enough to seem plausible) to evoke a response from the good-natured,
> unwitting participants in the group.
>
About April the Lodge parents caved to their children's demands and got a
Ruby Cavalier King Charles Spaniel which they named Sophie. She decided to
use her middle name (Sue) for correspondence with the "dog" newsgroups as
sort of an "auto-filter". (Perhaps she was getting a lot of hate mail to
felicity from RSG). She also put some messages asking about specific breeds
suitablility for her friends. All told she posted 16 messages (that I could
find), with no porlonged, protracted discussions. Mostly simple Q&A. (Sue
did some Q'ing and some A'ing)
> At about this same time, the persona of "Jim Lodge" stopped posting entirely
> in rec.sport.golf and uk.sport.golf, and the only "Lodge" that continued
> posting in the golf newsgroups was Felicity. The new identity begins to
> take on a life of itself.
>
> Did Jim Lodge suddenly lose interest in golf? C'mon people. This makes no
> sense.
>
Felicity finally set up her email/newsgroup program to support multiple
accounts. Jim was getting po'ed when he got all these personal emails about
golf sent to him.
> Then there was the other name of Derek Mauger, who posted to various
> newsgroups, including uk.sport.golf, uk.adverts.other,
> uk.local.yorkshire.noticeboard, alt.golf.forsale and others about his Lynx
> irons he was trying to sell. His e-mail address?
> de...@grayhall.demon.co.uk. Same virtual domain. Why, "Felicity" even
> shilled for him, posting a few messages to encourage others to buy his golf
> clubs.
>
Derek plays golf with Felicity. She suggested that the put a message on the
internet to sell his clubs. He didn't have an ISP so Felicity got Jim to set
him up one...
> Okay, people... it's time for a reality check. Here's what we now know for
> certain:
>
> The virtual domain, grayhall.demon.co.uk belongs to the person we know as
> Felicity Lodge. We also know that various other online personas have posted
> to numerous newsgroups from that same virtual domain, some of whom seem to
> display a somewhat...uh...shall we say...peculiar behavior pattern (to put
> it nicely). We also know that some of the posts seem to validate the
> connection between this virtual domain and the Excelsys computers company,
> which is indisputably connected to the person we know as Felicity Lodge (we
> know this for sure because of the e-mail I received from that address). So,
> because of what appears on the Excelsys homepage, we also know that Felicity
> Lodge lives in or near Yorkshire.
>
> Well, I did a little search this evening on the website AskJeeves.com. I
> asked Jeeves, "who is felicity lodge?" You'll never believe what came up as
> the very first response...
>
> Felicity Lodge 6001: The Freemasons of the Province of Yorkshire. That's
> right, people. Felicity Lodge is a freemason's lodge in Yorkshire, the same
> town where Excelsys computers is located.
>
The "Felicity" is one of several lodge names the FreeMasons use. Searching
the net for other felicity lodge's should get hits all over the US/UK. In
fact there are many "lodge" names that sound like people's names Hope,
Alfred, Prudence, Harmony, Victoria, Brook, Charity to name a few and
several of those are in the same Bradford area as Felciity (both lodge and
person)
> People, we've been had.
>
By who, you or Felicity?
> There is no person named Felicity Lodge. The person we know as Felicity
> Lodge is, in fact, either Jim Lodge, Phil Lodge, Sue Lodge, Derek Mauger,
> one of the other morphed identities I found while digging through the
> archives of Google.com, or someone else altogether whose identity remains a
> mystery to us. It's all been a sham, just like "her" multi-level marketing
> schemes.
>
> She is not only a troll, she's a deceptive liar. And if you want to know
> what I think, she's probably a he.
>
> Look it up for yourself in Google.
>
I did and I draw a different conclusion.
> THEREFORE...
>
You made a premature conclusion based on some faulty logic. You assumed that
since the grayhall name was "owned" by one account, the emails must
originate from the same person. This is clearly false.
It's possible that Jim, Felicity, Gordon, Sue etc are all the same demented
cross dressing person. However, that stretches credulity when you read some
of the early messages.
Why, for example would this person sign the '96 mood swings email "Jim and
Felicity" if he/she/it intended to dupe people by using both personae.
Why would the children referred to in the rec.nude birthday email of 1995
age correctly when referred to 5/6 years later in the dog newsgroup?
You assumed that the 58 year old "spinster" was a Felicity personae and
jumped to the conclusion that that "proved" something. However, if you read
that message carefully, you should have seen that Felicity was writing for
her mother.
The only thing that your email proves is that you have too much time on your
hands. (My response only proves that I suffer from the same affliction).
I have no idea if Phil, Sue, Jim, Gordon, Sophie and Felicity are 1, 2 , 3
or more people, dogs cats or elephants. However I do know that someone is
writing the "Felicity" emails. In my search, I did not see anything, started
by Felicity, that would provoke this kind of abuse. I've seen lots of people
complaining about her, and responses from her about that, but I've never
actually seen what started the flaming or suggestions of "trolling".
Anyway, back to golf....
greg
Dariusz
Greg Wilson wrote:
> ..
(cut)
>
> Anyway, back to golf....
Look at :
http://www.google.com/search?q=Felicity+Lodge
Look at:
Untitled
Dr. J. Felicity M. Lodge
oboe.quim.ucm.es/felicity.html - 1k - Cached - Similar pages
EOF
Greg Wilson
dar...@poczta.onet.pl wrote on 1/9/02 5:05 PM:
This appears to be a server located in Madrid and unlikely related to the
Felicity Lodge writing in this newsgroup as her ISP is located in the UK. (I
never actually got to the Felicity page as the server was bogged down,
probably doing some chain molecule calculations in the off hours.)
The appearance of another Felicity Lodge supports the fact that RSG's
Felicity does, in fact, exist. The suggestion was made that the name was a
creation based on the free mason's lodge. This suggest that there be many
Felicity Lodge's in the world, and since the freemasons are worldwide as
well with Felicity Lodges all over it is reasonable to conclude that this
coincidence is common. (Perhaps every Felicity Lodge could locate a
freemason Felicity lodge in her area. Perhaps every Hope Lodge, Charity
Lodge etc could do the same)
Was there some other point you wanted to make with the Dr Felicity Lodge
site reference?
greg
Jeff Connelly
news:B8622129.13319%did...@rogers.com...
> Felicity's figure suffered when she had her first child, she hadn't lost the
> weight when she got pregnant the second time. She's trying to take up golf
> now to get some exercise and lose some weight. It's difficult for her
It's difficult for her, though, because no matter what this little exercise
reveals, she's a troublemaking, spiteful little bitch. We needed no research
to tell us that. I do not jump to the same conclusions R&B did, but she
certainly didn't respond in any way to make me believe her either.
> In my search, I did not see anything, started
> by Felicity, that would provoke this kind of abuse.
Guess "you had to be there."
> Anyway, back to golf....
Et tu, Brute?
Schnitzengruben
> Not a fair characterization of George, this.
>
> I am not naive. I see a lot to both sides. I myself have had issues here
> with several people independently of the flame wars that go on beyond my own
> posts.
>
> I never wanted to get embroiled in controversy but I do know what I wrote
> and said in my materials and some of it was being misrepresented. Felicity
> staunchly defended its truth and clarity of message and I am grateful for
> her tenacity. I see that as fairly courageous and praiseworthy.
>
> Many other presumptions and attitudinal positions of posters here have been
> less than admirable or praiseworthy as well, including several of my own
> outbursts.
>
> My caps lock key is out of commission...., and I avoid confrontations now as
> much as possible.
>
> Brad had me nailed for something so blame him.
>
> Good day, y'all.
>
> I do like to chat golf and in the spirit of exchange, humor, fairness, and
> civility.
>
> I'm retreating to my cubby ['puter desk] and obsession (I told Randy some
> time ago that I'm a junkie) to chat about my passion while my wife watches
> prime time. I hate tv for the most part.
>
> Even the news has commercials every 30 seconds. Ugh.
>
> GH
George --You're right, my hasty post characterized you as naive and weak
-- I don't get the impression you're either of those -- Sorry! BTW,
maybe you should look at your broken *caps lock* key as a training aid! ;)
Scott Newell
> My caps lock key is out of commission...., and I avoid confrontations now
as
> much as possible.
>
> Brad had me nailed for something so blame him.
>
> Good day, y'all.
>
> I do like to chat golf and in the spirit of exchange, humor, fairness, and
> civility.
>
> I'm retreating to my cubby ['puter desk] and obsession (I told Randy some
> time ago that I'm a junkie) to chat about my passion while my wife watches
> prime time. I hate tv for the most part.
>
> Even the news has commercials every 30 seconds. Ugh.
Good for you George. Glad to hear it.....sincerely. Especially the caps
key! :-)
--
Scott D. Newell (new...@wsu.edu)
Washington State University
"That shot is impossible!...Jack Nicholson
himself couldn't make it!"-- Homer Simpson
Chris Bellomy
: I do like to chat golf and in the spirit of exchange, humor, fairness, and
: civility.
Me too. In humor, mostly, but otherwise, me too.
cb
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> Not a fair characterization of George, this.
>
> I am not naive. I see a lot to both sides. I myself have had issues here
> with several people independently of the flame wars that go on beyond my own
> posts.
>
> I never wanted to get embroiled in controversy but I do know what I wrote
> and said in my materials and some of it was being misrepresented. Felicity
> staunchly defended its truth and clarity of message and I am grateful for
> her tenacity. I see that as fairly courageous and praiseworthy.
>
> Many other presumptions and attitudinal positions of posters here have been
> less than admirable or praiseworthy as well, including several of my own
> outbursts.
>
> My caps lock key is out of commission...., and I avoid confrontations now as
> much as possible.
>
> Brad had me nailed for something so blame him.
>
> Good day, y'all.
>
> I do like to chat golf and in the spirit of exchange, humor, fairness, and
> civility.
>
> I'm retreating to my cubby ['puter desk] and obsession (I told Randy some
> time ago that I'm a junkie) to chat about my passion while my wife watches
> prime time. I hate tv for the most part.
>
> Even the news has commercials every 30 seconds. Ugh.
>
> GH
George --You're right, my hasty post characterized you as naive and weak
-- I don't get the impression you're either of those -- Sorry! BTW,
maybe you should look at your broken *caps lock* key as a training aid! ;)
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Greg Wilson wrote:
> ..
(cut)
>
> Anyway, back to golf....
Look at :
http://www.google.com/search?q=Felicity+Lodge
Look at:
Untitled
Dr. J. Felicity M. Lodge
oboe.quim.ucm.es/felicity.html - 1k - Cached - Similar pages
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>
>
This appears to be a server located in Madrid and unlikely related to the
Felicity Lodge writing in this newsgroup as her ISP is located in the UK. (I
never actually got to the Felicity page as the server was bogged down,
probably doing some chain molecule calculations in the off hours.)
The appearance of another Felicity Lodge supports the fact that RSG's
Felicity does, in fact, exist. The suggestion was made that the name was a
creation based on the free mason's lodge. This suggest that there be many
Felicity Lodge's in the world, and since the freemasons are worldwide as
well with Felicity Lodges all over it is reasonable to conclude that this
coincidence is common. (Perhaps every Felicity Lodge could locate a
freemason Felicity lodge in her area. Perhaps every Hope Lodge, Charity
Lodge etc could do the same)
Was there some other point you wanted to make with the Dr Felicity Lodge
site reference?
greg
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Felicity's figure suffered when she had her first child, she hadn't lost the
weight when she got pregnant the second time. She's trying to take up golf
Anyway, back to golf....
greg
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> weight when she got pregnant the second time. She's trying to take up golf
> now to get some exercise and lose some weight. It's difficult for her
It's difficult for her, though, because no matter what this little exercise
reveals, she's a troublemaking, spiteful little bitch. We needed no research
to tell us that. I do not jump to the same conclusions R&B did, but she
certainly didn't respond in any way to make me believe her either.
> In my search, I did not see anything, started
> by Felicity, that would provoke this kind of abuse.
Guess "you had to be there."
> Anyway, back to golf....
Et tu, Brute?
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Felicity
abusive messages as you have. *YOU* remain the biggest troll on RSG. Often
subtle. Often abusive. I come here to read about golf, but will reserve my
right to reply to it. I do not reward terrorism. This is a free
international board, and not one designed to be ruled by a set of cliqers
who have met at events.
As has been said previously, ...the word "Troll" is *not* defined as someone
with principles who happens to disagree with trouble-makers like you; it's
*not* defined as someone who has no choice but to frequently defend herself
and rebut antagonistic drivel dished out by bullies; it's *not* defined as
a newbie who happens to find someones golf products work for them; it's
*not* defined as an individual who believes in freedom of speech; it's
*not* defined as someone who finds the repressive practises of extremist
thought police like Mike Dalecki & co hugely distasteful; it's not someone
who voices a different opinion when the RSG "anti-spam" evangelist preaches
to the rest of the group about strategies to combat his extended definition
of spam, irrespective of amount of collateral damage,increased noise levels,
wasted badwidth etc; it's *not* defined as someone who finds much of the
behaviour of a handful of instigators absolutely disgraceful; its *not*
defined as someone who sticks to their principles and resolutely refuses to
join in the practises of your exclusive faction; it's *not* defined as
someone who refuses to strut around the playground alongside one group who
are hell-bent on imposing their will on another group because they happened
to be there first.
You know what you are doing...as you and the rest of your childish old-guard
inner-clique (as you call yourselves) know only too well, the word "troll"
wasn't designed for the selfish and sinister purposes of a propagandist
minority in a news group seeking to garner innocent hearts & minds; it
wasn't designed for those who wish to caricature and smear others for their
own selfish purposes encouraging others, inc newbies, to do the same....this
is a free world-wide golf discussion board, and I think we've seen recently
that many rsg'ers now feel it's time to move on from all the twisted
politics and noise of the last 14months...... why not consider being
somewhat less selective with your civility - it'll make a refreshing change!
--
F.
If *anyone* at all has any suggestions or contributions to make
to the GOLF SWING TECHNIQUE FAQ, then please either
e-mail them to me at feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk or add a
post to the relevant thread in the newsgroup rec.sport.golf.
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FYI - I do not post as anyone but me...ever. The grayhall intranet is
used by many - do not tar me with the same brush for your own purposes.
As has been mentioned before by another, some say that Randy seeks with his
good command of the written word, a power over others... a little man with
a big opinion of himself who is encouraged with the support of those who are
unable to articulate themselves adequately in his chosen forum.
BTW, he's noy quite on his own - I would also say that Mike Dalecki does the
same, but without the many different faces.
Randy Brown is the biggest troll I have ever come across. Subtle quite
often, though sometimes abusive, and constantly feels the need to draw
attention to himself. Look at how many new threads he starts. I dare to
utter the truth and risk him "spitting in my face" if he ever he meets me -
as he puts it....what histrionics....I doubt he'd say that if I lived close
to home....well, we do look forward to meeting him...watch this space
folks...
Never before have I come across such unsavoury, highly manipulative and
politically twisted individuals as R & M....what a formidable pair...
--
F.
If *anyone* at all has any suggestions or contributions to make
to the GOLF SWING TECHNIQUE FAQ, then please either
e-mail them to me at feli...@grayhall.demon.co.uk or add a
post to the relevant thread in the newsgroup rec.sport.golf.
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Scott Shirey
<snip>
>Felicity Lodge 6001: The
>Freemasons of the
>Province of Yorkshire.
>That's right, people.
>Felicity Lodge is a
>freemason's lodge in
>Yorkshire, the same town
>where Excelsys computers
>is located.
Freemason! Talk about the, "clique calling the kettle black." My bet
is that half of the e-mail spam that RSG'ers have received this last
year was generated by FL pulling peoples email address off RSG posts.
It's the old narrow focus marketing plan in action.
Pump up GH in the group, then get a piece of the UK (PAL) rights to his
video distribution by helping out with a marketing plan. The only
reason FL hang around was to try and figure out a way into poor old
GH's pockets.
Holy shit, now I'm starting to feel bad for George.
-ss
RSG roll call
http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/shireys.htm
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Robert Hamilton
Rob
--
__________________________________________________________________
RSG-MS
RSG Masters
http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS.html
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Dariusz
Mike Dalecki wrote:
>
> "J.T." wrote:
> >
> > ""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote in message
> >
> > <snip, the biggest I've ever made :) >
> >
> > Great work, undeniable facts, but...
> >
> > Isn't usenet an open forum? Just letters on my computer screen? Only bits
> > and bytes in cyberspace?
> >
> > Usenet groups are not any communities or clubs. If someone wants to write
> > using his own name, fine. If not, that's fine too. Wrong names and aliases -
> > why not? Even lie - you can't control it.
> >
> > If someone wants to create a controlled discussion group, the only way is to
> > have it html based, including checked registration. Usenet just does not
> > work that way.
> >
> > I also don't like Felicity's posts and just ignore them. But I don't care if
> > the person who writes them is real? Why should you care?
> >
> > Aren't you now trying to accomplist the impossible mission, to modify usenet
> > to suit you?
> >
> > Wishes,
> > J.T.
>
> Why is this so bothersome to you, J.T.? I'm at a loss here. Why can't
> people choose to ignore someone like this?
>
> Meanwhile, I see you're being reeled in by Dariusz. "Any
> recommendations for a driver I can hit 300-400 yards?" Funny.
Exactly.
My interests are mine, your interests are yours.
I am building world's first real 3D computer golf simulator (virtual
reality).
and i am interested in :
- computer assisted designing of new golf courses,
- acquiring a new record hitting driver (300-400 yards) from Victor
Johansson
- history of golf
- building hickory shafted old-fashioned clubs
enough to keep me busy for next 10 years,
so please don't refer me in your "trolls speak about trolling"
discussions.
I am not interested.
RSG is for golf discussions and not for troll discussions or discussions
by trolls.
Wish you luck in 2002 anyway.
In my opinion Victor is the world's best swinger, so one day i would
like to meet him and take some lessons.
He is really the best with his record long drives.
http://www.chichigroup.com/viktor_johansson.htm
greetings,
Jacek
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>
Enough of your tired old shit, what about Randy's allegations? Why don't you
"speak the truth" now? You've been found out liar.
you are pathetic.
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<SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote:
[great insight into Fellatio Lover snipped]
Randy, let's just ignore the beast, just like what Chris has propsed
to do. Oh, I see you have already. Ignore it and it will go away.
But even if it doesn't, who cares, as far as we're concerned, it
doesn't exist.
Best,
Steve K. Lee
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Gregg Little aka ghoststep
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> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:22:26 -0600, "Gregg Little aka ghoststep"
> <ghos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote in message
> :> After doing a fairly extensive amount of research thru the
archives
> :of
> :> Google.com, I have come to the conclusion that the name whoville
is one
> :> that was dreamed up. There is no such person.
> :Bravo, Bravo.
>
> Who?
>
R&B Who from Whoville
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Gregg Little aka ghoststep
""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote in message
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> After doing a fairly extensive amount of research thru the archives
of
Lodge is one
> that was dreamed up. There is no such person.
Bravo, Bravo.
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In article <1010488762.14041....@news.demon.co.uk>, "Felicity"
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Scott Fryar
>
>So now we know where to find her in case anyone wants to send flowers.
>
>here, as she has so often voiced her support of "adverts." So, for those
of
>you interested in purchasing a 1999 computer from Excelsys, their other
>contact information (Halifax & Huddersfield) in West Yorkshire, UK is:
>
>Tel: Halifax 01422 379993
>Tel/Fax: Huddersfield 01484 533999
>Mobile: 07932 773253
>
Certainly lends some credibility to this June 21, 2001 post to RSG:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9gt8eg%24mfh%240%40dosa.alt.net
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Steve Horvath
""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote > Oh, it gets better...
>
> Once I was able to determine with certainty that any newsgroup post which
> originated from an e-mail address containing the @grayhall.demon.co.uk
> virtual domain, I was able to do some real meaningful digging through the
> archives of Google.com. By setting the search parameters with the author
as
> "@grayhall.demon.co.uk", I began sorting through what proved to be a most
> interesting record of old posts...
>
> Anyone wishing to look this up can do so. Just go to Google.com, then
> select "groups," then select "advanced search." Then, when the search
> engine comes up, merely specify the "author" as: @grayhall.demon.co.uk,
> rather than her full e-mail address. You'll be astonished at some of the
> things I found:
Folks, I too discovered all this about 6 weeks ago, and saved a "best of"
Phil, Jim, Sue, Gordon, early Felicity, excelsys, bsuccess, autrum(sp?) in
case they mysteriously start to disappear from the archives.
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bkn...@conramp.net
<ghos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:
:""R&B"" <SLAM_SPAM_THANK_YA_MA'AM> wrote in message
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:> After doing a fairly extensive amount of research thru the archives
:of
:> Google.com, I have come to the conclusion that the name Felicty
:Lodge is one
:> that was dreamed up. There is no such person.
:
:Bravo, Bravo.
Who?
___
\o '
|
/ \
.
"Someone likes every shot"
bk
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