Swing Speed VS. Shaft Flex
Da Man
know is which flex is best for me. I average between 90-95mph club head
speed. My tempo is average. I've been told by different people that I need
a regular flex and other people have told me that I need a stiff shaft. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Eric
John Shoemaker
If Titleist will supply them with Rifle shafts I would suggest a 6.5 flex
(firm) . If interested I am a Palmer - Peerless dealer and they offer a 990
style and would be glad to quote you a price somewhere around
$375 with Rifle Shafts and Winn grips.
John Shoemaker, PCS
Millennium Golf
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George Hibbard
many RSG will feel that your post is a spam, which I do not.
Helping one another in this manner would seem to me to be one of the main
reasons FOR a golf forum!
Yes.
George
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david s-a
"John Shoemaker" <mil...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> If Titleist will supply them with Rifle shafts I would suggest a 6.5 flex
> (firm)
If I am to assume that your swingspeed 90-95 mph is with a driver then you are
looking for a top end of regular stiffness. IMO Rifle 6.5 is VERY stiff
indeed.........I would be more inclined to suggest Rifle 4.5 to 5.0 as the
appropriate shaft.
david
DJD
>
> Eric:
> If Titleist will supply them with Rifle shafts I would suggest a 6.5 flex
John, check the Rifle fitting guide again. Rifle classes their shafts as
L, A, R, S, X and XX, with a + for each range. A 6.5 shaft is rated as
X, which is extra-stiff, *not* "firm". TTBOMK, only Callaway uses
"soft", "firm" and "strong" as flex rating for shafts.
Eric, I love Rifle shafts, I have a couple of test clubs with Rifles and
I have Rifle Light 6.0 shafts in my own Tour Cavity irons. I also plan
on putting Tour Flighted Rifle shafts in my next set of irons. For
comparision, my driver swing speed is 110 mph and my 5 iron swing speed
is 94 with a moderately slow tempo. I consider the 6.0 shafts to be just
a little too stiff for my swing, but I deliberately decided to trade a
little distance for a little better accuracy. The ideal flex for me is
probably about 5.8.
According to the Royal Precision (Rifle) fitting chart the recommended
shaft for both your and my swing speeds is the 6.5. But most of the
Rifle users I know have dropped at least half a flex and some a full
flex because the recommended Rifle shaft felt too stiff. The only way to
tell for your particular swing is to demo clubs with various flex
Rifles.
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John Shoemaker
Sorry about the typo , flex was supposed to be 5.5 and I still call that a
firm . And I am sorry to all the other guys
I didn't know what Spaming was . Thought it was canned ham ,,just trying to
help .
John Shoemaker
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Bruce D. Woods
Get it shafted with a shaft that fits your swing speed & tempo -
regardless of what the shaft label says. Also, any shaft can be
made stiffer via tip trimming.
For custom clubs see your pro clubmaker - for off-the-shelf clubs
ask the manufacturer. Given the above, my guess is that "regular"
shafts would be best for you.
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Joseph N. Hall
>
> "regular", "firm", "stiff"...are merely labels
>
> Get it shafted with a shaft that fits your swing speed & tempo -
> regardless of what the shaft label says. Also, any shaft can be
> made stiffer via tip trimming.
If it has a long enough parallel tip section anyway.
-joseph
Long_Drive4
than one occasion before plunking down the green. Some of the shops in my
area have demos in A, R and S shafts in the 981's.You say you have "average"
tempo. Who knows other than you (or your instructor). Better to judge by
trajectory and dispersion than R or S on the shaft. Some players like myself
have a quicker tempo and tend to load the shaft quickly at the top. Hence we
typically need a stiffer shaft than a player that is smoother with a slower
tempo with comparable club head speed. Many articles I read over the years
say that many players are playing with shafts that are too stiff just
because of the "macho factor". Don't fall into the trap - go by what works
best when hitting them and don't forget about the lie angle too!
Three years ago, a buddy of mine and I went to buy a set of DCI oversize for
him. After hitting the R and the S both for the better part of an hour, I
asked him what felt better when he hit it. He said the S, even though the
trajectory was in my opinion lower than optimum. The R seemed to be a better
fit in my opinion. I went back into the shop, got some masking tape and
covered the band on both shafts. After swapping back and forth three of four
times, he still said the stiff shaft hit better and wanted to stick with it.
He kept the club in his hands and hit another ten or twelve shots with it
swearing up and down that it was the stiff shaft as we walked back into the
shop. As we pealed of the tape, low and behold it was the Regular! He stuck
with it and has down very well with the set. I had an advantage as I had
watched his ball flight with both. He was going more by feel and distance
and never looked at much else.
Good Luck - it never seems to be too easy!
Ed
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JoePete
amateurs and pros.
I think the best way is by hitting some demo clubs. Shaft flex is as much a
matter of feel as it is mechanics. I also subscribe to the notion that a good
swing is generally a fast swing. If you are still learning the game or your
swing speed was measured during a period of inactivity, you might find your
peak performance to be a bit better/faster.
All that said, I'd rather err on the side of too soft than too stiff.
The Titleist 990s I picked up recently came with Dynamic Gold shafts. There are
three sublevels (200, 300, 400) of flex within regular and stiff (i.e. stiffest
stiff is S400). This gives you an opportunity to really tweak what you want. A
pro I know pretty well though tells me that when they fit, they almost always
suggest either R300 or S300.
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JoePete
Joseph N. Hall
>
> At 90 to 95 mph (driver assumed) your not that far off from the speed of decent
> amateurs and pros.
Well, most pros swing at 110+ mph, and the difference between 100mph and
110mph is HUGE. You can't just swing harder and go from 100 to 110.
-joseph
Barrie Smart
that amateur golfers often err in using shafts that are too stiff for them
(the "boy" thing).
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Barrie Smart
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Slime
I recently checked my swingspeed with a 5 iron and it was 83 - 88 mph with
an average around 86mph and quite a fast tempo. According to the specs
below, what flex would be appropriate ?
I use Rifle 5.0 shafts and am quite happy with them BUT is this why I get
quite a high ball flight ?
BTW - I have no trouble with distance, a 5 iron carries around 165 metres.
Slime
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> 90 mph speed for what club? You need to be more specific.
>
> If it's 5-iron speed, you need a really stiff shaft. If it's your
> DRIVER speed, regular flex would suit you best.
Da Man
iron.
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Jef Goh
whenever possible. Rifle FCM 6.5 = Firm, Try again at www.rifleshafts.com,
it says X and not Firm. Unless you're hitting about 195 yards with your 5
Iron, forget it.
Rgds
Jef Goh
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Jef Goh
turn, swing pattern should all be taken into consideration when you're
looking for a suitable shaft flex. Even if your swing speed is 100 mph
(Driver), you might still be suitable for a regular flex shaft. You might
want to know that there are no industry standard, one reg might be another's
stiff.
Hope that helps
rgds
Jef
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Joseph N. Hall
>
> Now I am curious...
>
> I recently checked my swingspeed with a 5 iron and it was 83 - 88 mph with
> an average around 86mph and quite a fast tempo. According to the specs
> below, what flex would be appropriate ?
>
> I use Rifle 5.0 shafts and am quite happy with them BUT is this why I get
> quite a high ball flight ?
No. "High ball flight" is ALWAYS the result of the swing and there is
little if anything that equipment can do to change it.
-joseph
Joe Hoffman
it came up with 183 yds. Dead on your 165 meters. I used a 256 gram head with
26* loft as input variables I assumed no wind and a neutral approach swing.
It shows a height of ~ 40 yds at apex, flight time of 7.6 seconds, and a landing
horizontal speed of 42 MPH. I am assuming that your posted 165 meters was carry,
not carry and roll.
It looks like the shaft is pretty well fitted to your swing, at least according
to this model.
The model is available publicly, though I can't remember where I got it. It has
been mentioned here before so perhaps some one can add to this.
FWIW, I find the model very accurate, for me, my clubs and my swing style. Your
own experiences may differ.
Joe