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mockinjay
Feb 5, 2012, 9:52:51 AM2/5/12
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Understanding all the teaching terms and how they relate to a physical
action.
Terms like release the club, lag, lay the club off, over the top, etc. I
have heard them all my golfing life, but until I finally got old enough to
quit swinging so hard and found out it was OK to keep your weight on your
front leg throughout the swing, did a lot of these things finally reveal
themselves.
Then you have golf analyst on TV going through Tigers swing point by point
and people rush out to the range and try to do this and that with their
club shaft... on plane pointing at the target... yada yada yada. Before
long guys like me have so many swing thoughts they are like a wooden
indian rolling a cannon ball.
Every golfer that picks up the game after 25 or so should be taught two
things... Spend your first year playing with 60 % + of your weight on
your front leg throughout the swing and try to relax. I think they would
hit far less miss hits and the other aspects of the swing would be found
and not forced (usually wrong).
There are more teaching aids sold for golf than any other sport (game)
because it is so hard for beginners to translate golf teaching terms into
physical actions.
Just my .02 this morning.
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action.
Terms like release the club, lag, lay the club off, over the top, etc. I
have heard them all my golfing life, but until I finally got old enough to
quit swinging so hard and found out it was OK to keep your weight on your
front leg throughout the swing, did a lot of these things finally reveal
themselves.
Then you have golf analyst on TV going through Tigers swing point by point
and people rush out to the range and try to do this and that with their
club shaft... on plane pointing at the target... yada yada yada. Before
long guys like me have so many swing thoughts they are like a wooden
indian rolling a cannon ball.
Every golfer that picks up the game after 25 or so should be taught two
things... Spend your first year playing with 60 % + of your weight on
your front leg throughout the swing and try to relax. I think they would
hit far less miss hits and the other aspects of the swing would be found
and not forced (usually wrong).
There are more teaching aids sold for golf than any other sport (game)
because it is so hard for beginners to translate golf teaching terms into
physical actions.
Just my .02 this morning.
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Frank Ketchum
Feb 5, 2012, 10:01:14 AM2/5/12
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"mockinjay" <a89...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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if they are trying to fix their swing.
> Before
> long guys like me have so many swing thoughts they are like a wooden
> indian rolling a cannon ball.
Dr. Rotella would agree completely. He has written some good books on the
subject.
> Every golfer that picks up the game after 25 or so should be taught two
> things... Spend your first year playing with 60 % + of your weight on
> your front leg throughout the swing and try to relax. I think they would
> hit far less miss hits and the other aspects of the swing would be found
> and not forced (usually wrong).
I would add that in addition a beginning golfer should learn to hit DOWN on
the ball and accerate the clubhead through impact.
news:3nh209x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
> Understanding all the teaching terms and how they relate to a physical
> action.
>
> Terms like release the club, lag, lay the club off, over the top, etc. I
> have heard them all my golfing life, but until I finally got old enough to
> quit swinging so hard and found out it was OK to keep your weight on your
> front leg throughout the swing, did a lot of these things finally reveal
> themselves.
>
> Then you have golf analyst on TV going through Tigers swing point by point
> and people rush out to the range and try to do this and that with their
> club shaft... on plane pointing at the target... yada yada yada.
Listening to the analysts on TV is the absolute worse thing a person can do
> action.
>
> Terms like release the club, lag, lay the club off, over the top, etc. I
> have heard them all my golfing life, but until I finally got old enough to
> quit swinging so hard and found out it was OK to keep your weight on your
> front leg throughout the swing, did a lot of these things finally reveal
> themselves.
>
> Then you have golf analyst on TV going through Tigers swing point by point
> and people rush out to the range and try to do this and that with their
> club shaft... on plane pointing at the target... yada yada yada.
if they are trying to fix their swing.
> Before
> long guys like me have so many swing thoughts they are like a wooden
> indian rolling a cannon ball.
subject.
> Every golfer that picks up the game after 25 or so should be taught two
> things... Spend your first year playing with 60 % + of your weight on
> your front leg throughout the swing and try to relax. I think they would
> hit far less miss hits and the other aspects of the swing would be found
> and not forced (usually wrong).
the ball and accerate the clubhead through impact.
kenpitts
Feb 5, 2012, 10:15:19 AM2/5/12
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player from going over the top. And getting the new player to hit down
to get the ball in the air. They all want to lift the ball into the
air.
Ken
mockinjay
Feb 5, 2012, 10:26:44 AM2/5/12
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instructions on stance, grip, etc. but I was talking about swing/hit
focus points.
As for hitting down on the ball, I can remember the first time I read that
you should hit down on the ball... I understand what you mean and your
intent is to keep them from not trying to help it up. There are lots of
things to learn over time, but not everything makes sense in the
beginning. I'll stick with weight forward and relax and concentrate on
clean ball striking no matter how far or in what direction.
I am sure it is because I spent too many years sticking the club in the
ground unnecessarily. If somebody had suggested I swing with my weight
forward throughout my swing 30 years ago, I would be far better off today
in golf.
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Frank Ketchum
Feb 5, 2012, 10:35:19 AM2/5/12
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ball solidly. Trying to help it up and swatting at it with by flipping your
hands under are pretty much the same thing but you can't do that when you
hit down.
> There are lots of
> things to learn over time, but not everything makes sense in the
> beginning. I'll stick with weight forward and relax and concentrate on
> clean ball striking no matter how far or in what direction.
>
> I am sure it is because I spent too many years sticking the club in the
> ground unnecessarily. If somebody had suggested I swing with my weight
> forward throughout my swing 30 years ago, I would be far better off today
> in golf.
as simple as not dropping your upper body down on the downswing. I think it
is important for new golfers to not fear sticking the club in the ground, it
simply must occur after the ball leaves. Hitting down guarantees this.
Actually swinging as you describe with your weight forward in reality is
just changing your swing arc to help you hit down on the ball. We are
basically saying the same thing just in a different way.
mockinjay
Feb 5, 2012, 12:19:20 PM2/5/12
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I have been playing off and on for 35 years and nothing has had as
dramatic an affect on my ball striking as simply focusing on keeping my
weight forward. My golf partner and I joke around about 'finding it' in
golf and two weeks later we are struggling again. Now even my golf
partner has noticed how much I have improved and how my slumps are shorter.
I have quit golf a couple times just out of frustration from not being
able to consistently hit the ball cleanly. Weight forward was a drill,
but I never heard it was OK to play that way. I just wish I had started
it years ago.
Cheers
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BAR
Feb 5, 2012, 1:47:31 PM2/5/12
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In article <o9q209x...@app-01.ezprovider.com>, a897201
@webnntp.invalid says...
You and Larry should get together and come up with the newest "secret"
to sell to the golf world.
@webnntp.invalid says...
to sell to the golf world.
mockinjay
Feb 5, 2012, 2:09:28 PM2/5/12
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On Feb 5 2012 12:47 PM, BAR wrote:
> You and Larry should get together and come up with the newest "secret"
> to sell to the golf world.
You shouldn't bother to respond if you don't have anything to contribute.
> You and Larry should get together and come up with the newest "secret"
> to sell to the golf world.
Hope springs eternal from a ______ (fill in the blanks of your favorite
past time) breathe.
I share things that might be of interest or helpful to others who may take
interest in the same things. If you want to be a constant nay sayer, then
bless someone else please.
----
BAR
Feb 5, 2012, 2:38:37 PM2/5/12
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In article <8o0309x...@app-01.ezprovider.com>, a897201
@webnntp.invalid says...
I am happy for you. I have stopped reading golf magazines and watching
the golf channel unless there is an actual live contest occurring.
Larry regals us with his new found secret of the week when he is here.
@webnntp.invalid says...
the golf channel unless there is an actual live contest occurring.
Larry regals us with his new found secret of the week when he is here.
Rog
Feb 5, 2012, 5:12:35 PM2/5/12
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mockinjay wrote:
Spend your first year playing with 60 % + of your
>> weight on your front leg throughout the swing and try to relax.
>>
>>
Fair enough, spend the first year playing a 7 iron only?
Spend your first year playing with 60 % + of your
>> weight on your front leg throughout the swing and try to relax.
>>
>>
Rog
www.rog.pynguins.com
Dave Lee
Feb 5, 2012, 5:46:27 PM2/5/12
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IMHO, the toughest thing about learning to play golf is dealing with the
difference in 'what you feel that you are doing' vs. the reality of what you
are actually doing.
I have played golf, basketball, baseball, football, tennis, table tennis,
and distance running plus have played classical guitar, jazz guitar, bass
guitar, string bass, and piano.
Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and 'what
really just happened' can be so different.
dave
difference in 'what you feel that you are doing' vs. the reality of what you
are actually doing.
I have played golf, basketball, baseball, football, tennis, table tennis,
and distance running plus have played classical guitar, jazz guitar, bass
guitar, string bass, and piano.
Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and 'what
really just happened' can be so different.
dave
mockinjay
Feb 5, 2012, 10:23:38 PM2/5/12
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different distances is good. I just haven't tried it.
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mockinjay
Feb 5, 2012, 10:26:43 PM2/5/12
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Are you David Lee of Gravity Golf fame?
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BAR
Feb 5, 2012, 10:33:27 PM2/5/12
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In article <_9Sdnc4k7ONdm7LS...@earthlink.com>,
Dave...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com says...
One word, video.
Dave...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com says...
Carbon
Feb 5, 2012, 11:05:42 PM2/5/12
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BAR
Feb 6, 2012, 7:09:12 AM2/6/12
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In article <pan.2012.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what is
happening.
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
happening.
gpsman
Feb 6, 2012, 9:41:51 AM2/6/12
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On Feb 5, 5:46 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> IMHO, the toughest thing about learning to play golf is dealing with the
> difference in 'what you feel that you are doing' vs. the reality of what you
> are actually doing.
I think it might be learning to let a good swing happen v. trying to
> IMHO, the toughest thing about learning to play golf is dealing with the
> difference in 'what you feel that you are doing' vs. the reality of what you
> are actually doing.
make it happen. "90% of the game is half mental."
Somewhere near is realizing you have not invested enough time and/or
have invested it poorly in relation to the desired/expected results.
And somewhere in there is the realization that the tools are not the
problem, either..
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- gpsman
Howard Brazee
Feb 6, 2012, 10:04:43 AM2/6/12
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 17:46:27 -0500, "Dave Lee"
<Dave...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and 'what
>really just happened' can be so different.
With golf, we can see the result. Some other activities we are
<Dave...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and 'what
>really just happened' can be so different.
fooled about what we do *and* what the result is.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Howard Brazee
Feb 6, 2012, 10:05:38 AM2/6/12
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:09:12 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>> >> Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and
>> >> 'what really just happened' can be so different.
>> >
>> > One word, video.
>>
>> If looking at videos improved golf swings everyone would be scratch.
>
>It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what is
>happening.
Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
>> >> Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and
>> >> 'what really just happened' can be so different.
>> >
>> > One word, video.
>>
>> If looking at videos improved golf swings everyone would be scratch.
>
>It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what is
>happening.
Dave Lee
Feb 6, 2012, 11:05:18 AM2/6/12
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SNIP
Excellent point. Thanks.
Are you David Lee of Gravity Golf fame?
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No - but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express recently. :-)
Are you David Lee of Gravity Golf fame?
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dave
Dave Lee
Feb 6, 2012, 11:08:12 AM2/6/12
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"BAR" wrote in message news:MPG.29998cf...@news.giganews.com...
It does do that and I use it. But it is very inefficient. The feedback
loop is long (in my case it don't see it until I get home). The camera
angle that you have when you 'feel something you question' might
or might not be right. And so on.
But still it is the best answer that I have. I have found video to be
both invaluable and about 1/10th as useful as I thought it would
be.
dave
mockinjay
Feb 6, 2012, 12:30:57 PM2/6/12
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decent 8 MP Cannon, tripod, and HD card, but my playback software is movie
maker. I just am not able to tell what is right and wrong.
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dugjustdug
Feb 6, 2012, 12:30:16 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 5, 2:46 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and 'what
> really just happened' can be so different.
>
> dave
Agreed. I also think that becomes less so the longer you play the
> Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and 'what
> really just happened' can be so different.
>
> dave
game (if you are paying attention). I've gotten to the point that I
can analyse what I did on a particular swing to cause an errant shot.
Usually ball flight, and, where the ball impacted the clubhead. I'm
too d@mned old to change the way I swing anyway, so, boiling my swing
down to 1 or 2 thoughts works best for me. And those thoughts will
change with each round.
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 6, 2012, 2:32:26 PM2/6/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Good advice!
I have taken lessons over the years since I started playing golf at
age 60 about 10 years ago. However, I never really changed my swing
until a teacher explained that learning to swing a golf club is very
similar to learning to play a musical instrument. He was honest. He
said if I would not devote similar time and concentration to correct
practice, nothing would change, I would just go out and do the same
old thing helplessly-- like all late beginning amateurs.
I asked what I should do-- and he said the analogous practice to
"etudes" on the musical instrument is slow motion rehearsal swings
with a golf club. He said it is simply nonsensical to expect to
change anything while making full swings-- we will simply make the
same old, same old mistakes, OTT, failing to shift, poor footwork,
poor finish, etc. etc.
So I did that. I posed in the impact position to memorize that
feeling, that weight distribution, that hip orientation, etc. And
then I hit balls only a few yards--exaggerating the sequence to ensure
I got it right. And eventually I could do it. Eventually I found
myself able to make the transition weight shift, THE MOVE that TPI
said is completely impossible for 99% of amateurs. When I learned to
"turn, shift, swing" to quote Shawn Clement, I suddenly became able to
compress the ball and make a correct divot.
There was much more, the layoff move, etc. But it all starts with
lessons from a good PGA pro. You MUST tell him you know it is a
project that will require iterations of lessons, drills, lessons,
drills, but only then will he really work with you, no quick silly
bandaids he gives most first time students.
The total cost was still less than the price of a driver!
He said and I believe there are few things sillier looking that a guy
out there with a horrible OTT hack swing and $2000 clubs.
Larry
BAR
Feb 6, 2012, 6:16:00 PM2/6/12
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In article <v0rvi75cfu3n2tf5a...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...
The camera has not interest in your progress.
The camera does not get paid based upon your performance.
The camera is a truly independent view of your actions.
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:09:12 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and
> >> >> 'what really just happened' can be so different.
> >> >
> >> > One word, video.
> >>
> >> If looking at videos improved golf swings everyone would be scratch.
> >
> >It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what is
> >happening.
>
> Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
The camera does not lie.
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:09:12 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and
> >> >> 'what really just happened' can be so different.
> >> >
> >> > One word, video.
> >>
> >> If looking at videos improved golf swings everyone would be scratch.
> >
> >It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what is
> >happening.
>
> Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
The camera has not interest in your progress.
The camera does not get paid based upon your performance.
The camera is a truly independent view of your actions.
Carbon
Feb 6, 2012, 6:30:43 PM2/6/12
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My pro: take a normal swing, pause at the top. Ok, you're here,
but (moves my 7i) you should be *here*.
The change is instant. I can feel it. Try doing that with video.
Don Kirkman
Feb 6, 2012, 6:39:36 PM2/6/12
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either subconsciously or consciously. Fortunately viewers generally
more or less agree on what they see, but even then they may differ or
even be mistaken about what the image represents.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 6, 2012, 7:16:19 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 6, 3:16 pm, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <v0rvi75cfu3n2tf5a326mb4nsgsctf7...@4ax.com>,
There are basic fundamentals of THE golf swing. Many if not most
amateurs fail to make a functional swing that repeats because they
fail in one or all of the following: grip, setup, takeaway.
So they reach a top position from which it is IMPOSSIBLE to make an on-
plane accelerating swing through the ball. Impossible to hit it
straight with little side-spin, impossible to even make crisp
contact.
So a teaching pro spends his day fixing grip, setup, and takeaway.
When the student goes away and comes back a few days or months later,
the pro must AGAIN fix either grip, setup, or takeaway-- because most
students will have "adjusted" those things and again made it
impossible to reach a correct top position. Typically that iteration
occurs until finally the student believes! And rigorously gets his
grip, setup, and takeaway right EVERY SWING!
When he comes back again with his fundamentals correct, now the pro
has something to work with! NOW he can show the guy how to lay it
off and other advanced techniques to hit it straight and long.
That has been my experience and I know from numerous interviews with
teaching pros that is also the experience of most amateurs.
Hogan said it best, "almost right is completely wrong!"
Larry
> In article <v0rvi75cfu3n2tf5a326mb4nsgsctf7...@4ax.com>,
amateurs fail to make a functional swing that repeats because they
fail in one or all of the following: grip, setup, takeaway.
So they reach a top position from which it is IMPOSSIBLE to make an on-
plane accelerating swing through the ball. Impossible to hit it
straight with little side-spin, impossible to even make crisp
contact.
So a teaching pro spends his day fixing grip, setup, and takeaway.
When the student goes away and comes back a few days or months later,
the pro must AGAIN fix either grip, setup, or takeaway-- because most
students will have "adjusted" those things and again made it
impossible to reach a correct top position. Typically that iteration
occurs until finally the student believes! And rigorously gets his
grip, setup, and takeaway right EVERY SWING!
When he comes back again with his fundamentals correct, now the pro
has something to work with! NOW he can show the guy how to lay it
off and other advanced techniques to hit it straight and long.
That has been my experience and I know from numerous interviews with
teaching pros that is also the experience of most amateurs.
Hogan said it best, "almost right is completely wrong!"
Larry
mockinjay
Feb 6, 2012, 7:24:30 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 5 2012 12:47 PM, BAR wrote:
> You and Larry should get together and come up with the newest "secret"
> to sell to the golf world.
I was thinking later about this and I bet Larry just loves golf. That
> to sell to the golf world.
can't be all bad.
It does get annoying when people think you should try what works for them
though, especially when you are playing bad.
Now, if when you say 'sell' he is actually selling something, that would
be different.
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la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 6, 2012, 7:31:27 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 6, 3:30 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:16:00 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <v0rvi75cfu3n2tf5a326mb4nsgsctf7...@4ax.com>,
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:16:00 -0500, BAR wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Right on !!!!!! This is what I got and it worked. I doubt there is
> - Show quoted text -
any other way because we simply can't feel our position correctly at
first.
Watch the teacher's club handle as he forces me to lay it down onto
the plane before my downswing. You just can't do this without help.
Take a lesson!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIUC9S0z0bY
GREAT POST!
Larry
BAR
Feb 6, 2012, 7:38:25 PM2/6/12
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you swing as it occurred.
I used video to great effect when I was teaching skydiving. When the
skydive was over and the students adrenaline rush had calmed down a bit
we would do a post dive review. The student would tell us what happened.
Then the jumpmasters would tell the student what happened. There were
usually some discussions about what the student remembered and what the
jumpmasters saw. Then we would go to the video and see what actually
happened. 99.99% of the time the jumpmasters were correct.
Golf and skydiving have some parallels in that you don't get to see what
you are doing with your body during the swing or jump because you are
focused on the ball in golf and you are focused on the awareness, where
you are in relation to others and the ground. Both don't afford you the
time to look at your body position during the activity. Both only show
you what you have done wrong after you have done it wrong.
BAR
Feb 6, 2012, 7:38:55 PM2/6/12
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In article <71o0j718kcf4vv35s...@4ax.com>, donsno2
@charter.net says...
You are talking about interpretation. The video camera dosen't
interpret, it records.
@charter.net says...
interpret, it records.
Carbon
Feb 6, 2012, 8:00:40 PM2/6/12
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:38:25 -0500, BAR wrote:
> In article <pan.2012.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:16:00 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <v0rvi75cfu3n2tf5a...@4ax.com>,
>>> how...@brazee.net says...
>>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:09:12 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened'
>>>>>>>> and 'what really just happened' can be so different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One word, video.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If looking at videos improved golf swings everyone would be
>>>>>> scratch.
>>>>>
>>>>> It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what
>>>>> is happening.
>>>>
>>>> Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
>>>
>>> The camera does not lie. The camera has not interest in your
>>> progress. The camera does not get paid based upon your performance.
>>>
>>> The camera is a truly independent view of your actions.
>>
>> If you don't know what you're looking for video is worthless.
>>
>> My pro: take a normal swing, pause at the top. Ok, you're here, but
>> (moves my 7i) you should be *here*.
>>
>> The change is instant. I can feel it. Try doing that with video.
>
> The video camera does not analyze your swing. The video camera records
> you swing as it occurred.
Exactly. Like Dave said elsewhere, by itself it's indispensable and
> In article <pan.2012.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:16:00 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <v0rvi75cfu3n2tf5a...@4ax.com>,
>>> how...@brazee.net says...
>>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:09:12 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened'
>>>>>>>> and 'what really just happened' can be so different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One word, video.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If looking at videos improved golf swings everyone would be
>>>>>> scratch.
>>>>>
>>>>> It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what
>>>>> is happening.
>>>>
>>>> Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
>>>
>>> The camera does not lie. The camera has not interest in your
>>> progress. The camera does not get paid based upon your performance.
>>>
>>> The camera is a truly independent view of your actions.
>>
>> If you don't know what you're looking for video is worthless.
>>
>> My pro: take a normal swing, pause at the top. Ok, you're here, but
>> (moves my 7i) you should be *here*.
>>
>> The change is instant. I can feel it. Try doing that with video.
>
> The video camera does not analyze your swing. The video camera records
> you swing as it occurred.
nearly useless.
> I used video to great effect when I was teaching skydiving. When the
> skydive was over and the students adrenaline rush had calmed down a
> bit we would do a post dive review. The student would tell us what
> happened. Then the jumpmasters would tell the student what happened.
> There were usually some discussions about what the student remembered
> and what the jumpmasters saw. Then we would go to the video and see
> what actually happened. 99.99% of the time the jumpmasters were
> correct.
>
> Golf and skydiving have some parallels in that you don't get to see
> what you are doing with your body during the swing or jump because you
> are focused on the ball in golf and you are focused on the awareness,
> where you are in relation to others and the ground. Both don't afford
> you the time to look at your body position during the activity. Both
> only show you what you have done wrong after you have done it wrong.
was going over the video with the student. But consider the difference
between pointing out that someone's head is moving and grabbing a
fistful of hair and telling them to swing.
I think that kind of interactive instruction is more possible with the
golf swing, as opposed to say deliberately jumping out of a perfectly
good airplane.
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 6, 2012, 8:07:52 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 6, 5:00 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:38:25 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <pan.2012.02.06.23.30...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:38:25 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >>> In article <v0rvi75cfu3n2tf5a326mb4nsgsctf7...@4ax.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey, one of my hobbies is penny stocks. I have had NSRS for several
> - Show quoted text -
weeks. I agree with the hype that it could go to $5 or more. Today
alone it went from $.1.15 to $1.49. Tomorrow it might go to $2 or
more! Jump aboard! These things are fun because they MOVE.
I also bought a few thousand shares of NCDL because it is related to
NSRS (and only $.31)
Larry
JohnO
Feb 6, 2012, 8:17:52 PM2/6/12
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On Feb 6, 3:52 am, "mockinjay" <a897...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> Understanding all the teaching terms and how they relate to a physical
> action.
>
> Terms like release the club, lag, lay the club off, over the top, etc. I
> have heard them all my golfing life, but until I finally got old enough to
> quit swinging so hard and found out it was OK to keep your weight on your
> front leg throughout the swing, did a lot of these things finally reveal
> themselves.
>
> Then you have golf analyst on TV going through Tigers swing point by point
> and people rush out to the range and try to do this and that with their
> club shaft... on plane pointing at the target... yada yada yada. Before
> long guys like me have so many swing thoughts they are like a wooden
> indian rolling a cannon ball.
>
> Every golfer that picks up the game after 25 or so should be taught two
> things... Spend your first year playing with 60 % + of your weight on
> your front leg throughout the swing and try to relax. I think they would
> hit far less miss hits and the other aspects of the swing would be found
> and not forced (usually wrong).
>
> There are more teaching aids sold for golf than any other sport (game)
> because it is so hard for beginners to translate golf teaching terms into
> physical actions.
>
> Just my .02 this morning.
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
Can't say I agree with keeping 60% of the weight on the left leg. That
> Understanding all the teaching terms and how they relate to a physical
> action.
>
> Terms like release the club, lag, lay the club off, over the top, etc. I
> have heard them all my golfing life, but until I finally got old enough to
> quit swinging so hard and found out it was OK to keep your weight on your
> front leg throughout the swing, did a lot of these things finally reveal
> themselves.
>
> Then you have golf analyst on TV going through Tigers swing point by point
> and people rush out to the range and try to do this and that with their
> club shaft... on plane pointing at the target... yada yada yada. Before
> long guys like me have so many swing thoughts they are like a wooden
> indian rolling a cannon ball.
>
> Every golfer that picks up the game after 25 or so should be taught two
> things... Spend your first year playing with 60 % + of your weight on
> your front leg throughout the swing and try to relax. I think they would
> hit far less miss hits and the other aspects of the swing would be found
> and not forced (usually wrong).
>
> There are more teaching aids sold for golf than any other sport (game)
> because it is so hard for beginners to translate golf teaching terms into
> physical actions.
>
> Just my .02 this morning.
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
would guarantee a reverse weight shift and a weak swing. If the weight
is balanced at the setup then it has to be on the right leg at the
backswing and move to the left through impact. Anything else will be
very weak.
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 6, 2012, 8:28:44 PM2/6/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Agreed, but the weight shift is only a part of the puzzle. A teaching
> - Show quoted text -
pro knows the whole thing. TAKE A LESSON and don't waste your time
trying to fix yourself.
Larry
JohnO
Feb 6, 2012, 8:40:43 PM2/6/12
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la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 6, 2012, 9:21:40 PM2/6/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Maybe I need to repeat the analogy of learning to swing a golf club to
> - Show quoted text -
learning to play a guitar,,, all the lessons in the world won't help
unless the student is willing to go home and GRIND! And I mean
GRIND!!! He needs to laboriously teach himself to read music. And
then he must learn the notes on his instrument. Then he takes lessons
and learns how to learn to play. When his friends want to run out and
play the course, his pro says he should NOT do that but instead do
those slow motion rehearsals until the correct swing sequence is
ingrained. His pro will remind him that each time he tries to play
the course, he will revert-- and erase everything he has gained.
The good news is that this is MUCH easier than even Physic 101. The
student who does what he was taught will fairly quickly learn a new
golf swing, be able to reliably hit it down the middle off the tee and
hit greens from the fairway. He will be able to laugh at the morons
who swing differently every time, and usually hit it into the trees.
Golf is a metaphor for life. I am a nuclear engineer.
Larry
Alan Baker
Feb 6, 2012, 10:14:19 PM2/6/12
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"a forum like this could agree to buy any penny stock and make a quick
profit when we move the market.
I bought 10k shares of NSRS a few days ago and enjoy watching it move
up and down wildly. I bought it because a penny stock web site
mentioned it, so I knew a lot of people like me would buy a few shares
and see what happens. Always works. Same with the stocks that Cramer
mentions on CNBC "Mad Money." But you be ready to sell quickly when
the market realizes the fundamentals are not really that good.
Larry"
You tried to manipulate the market to your benefit on a stock whose
"fundamentals are not really that good."
But then you said:
"If you had bought NSRS last Friday, today you would be ahead 10%.
$6000 turns into $6600. Duh. that could happen again tomorrow. This $.
50 stock could go to $5.00 because it has solid fundamentals. Call it
what you like, laugh if you want, but the real world profits would pay
your rent."
So which is, Larry: Are its fundamentals "not really that good" or
"solid"?
:-)
>
> I also bought a few thousand shares of NCDL because it is related to
> NSRS (and only $.31)
you can make another little profit?
Alan Baker
Feb 6, 2012, 10:15:02 PM2/6/12
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JohnO
Feb 6, 2012, 11:19:48 PM2/6/12
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Alan Baker
Feb 7, 2012, 12:30:44 AM2/7/12
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In article
<10f7ea48-0187-40ef...@qt7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Don't worry... ...he'll have one!
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
<10f7ea48-0187-40ef...@qt7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Alan Baker
Feb 7, 2012, 12:50:22 AM2/7/12
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In article
<ce2e4753-ca8d-4be5...@d15g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
the capitals are Hogan's, not mine)...
...but then, when one of your authorities says something with which you
disagree, we're supposed to take your word for it that they were
speaking metaphorically. Only those phrases you quote ("verbatim"!) are
to be taken literally...
...right, Larry?
:-)
<ce2e4753-ca8d-4be5...@d15g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> That has been my experience and I know from numerous interviews with
> teaching pros that is also the experience of most amateurs.
>
> Hogan said it best, "almost right is completely wrong!"
He also said, "HIT THE BALL AS HARD AS YOU CAN WITH BOTH HANDS" (yes:
> That has been my experience and I know from numerous interviews with
> teaching pros that is also the experience of most amateurs.
>
> Hogan said it best, "almost right is completely wrong!"
the capitals are Hogan's, not mine)...
...but then, when one of your authorities says something with which you
disagree, we're supposed to take your word for it that they were
speaking metaphorically. Only those phrases you quote ("verbatim"!) are
to be taken literally...
...right, Larry?
:-)
Don Kirkman
Feb 7, 2012, 2:08:54 AM2/7/12
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evidence of the image. Nice to know that you did understand what I
was saying, even if you chose not to accept it.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
mockinjay
Feb 7, 2012, 6:37:59 AM2/7/12
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can't have a reverse pivot with the majority of your weight on the front
leg.
_____________________________________________________________________
mockinjay
Feb 7, 2012, 6:41:19 AM2/7/12
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On Feb 6 2012 8:41 AM, gpsman wrote:
> On Feb 5, 5:46 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> > IMHO, the toughest thing about learning to play golf is dealing with the
> > difference in 'what you feel that you are doing' vs. the reality of what
you
> > are actually doing.
>
> I think it might be learning to let a good swing happen v. trying to
> make it happen. "90% of the game is half mental."
>
> Somewhere near is realizing you have not invested enough time and/or
> have invested it poorly in relation to the desired/expected results.
>
> And somewhere in there is the realization that the tools are not the
> problem, either..
> -----
>
> - gpsman
Chi Chi said the game is 90% mental and 10% psychological. :)
_______________________________________________________________________
> On Feb 5, 5:46 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> > IMHO, the toughest thing about learning to play golf is dealing with the
> > difference in 'what you feel that you are doing' vs. the reality of what
you
> > are actually doing.
>
> make it happen. "90% of the game is half mental."
>
> Somewhere near is realizing you have not invested enough time and/or
> have invested it poorly in relation to the desired/expected results.
>
> And somewhere in there is the realization that the tools are not the
> problem, either..
> -----
>
> - gpsman
Chi Chi said the game is 90% mental and 10% psychological. :)
_______________________________________________________________________
BAR
Feb 7, 2012, 7:18:08 AM2/7/12
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In article <ce2e4753-ca8d-4be5-b855-33f9d0933e54
@d15g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, la...@pivotforpower.com says...
of consistency.
> So they reach a top position from which it is IMPOSSIBLE to make an on-
> plane accelerating swing through the ball. Impossible to hit it
> straight with little side-spin, impossible to even make crisp
> contact.
I have nearly no side spin when I hit the ball. This has been verified
on a launch monitor. The club maker made note of it when I was being
fitted. I still don't hit the ball far because I can't turn to generate
the club head speed.
> So a teaching pro spends his day fixing grip, setup, and takeaway.
> When the student goes away and comes back a few days or months later,
> the pro must AGAIN fix either grip, setup, or takeaway-- because most
> students will have "adjusted" those things and again made it
> impossible to reach a correct top position. Typically that iteration
> occurs until finally the student believes! And rigorously gets his
> grip, setup, and takeaway right EVERY SWING!
Golf is a personal activity below the pro and collegiate ranks. Most
other sports are played with a coach on the playing field with you to
give you immediate feedback on your activity.
> When he comes back again with his fundamentals correct, now the pro
> has something to work with! NOW he can show the guy how to lay it
> off and other advanced techniques to hit it straight and long.
The problem is there is too much time between when the coach sees your
progress or lack there of.
@d15g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, la...@pivotforpower.com says...
>
> On Feb 6, 3:16 pm, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > In article <v0rvi75cfu3n2tf5a326mb4nsgsctf7...@4ax.com>,
> > how...@brazee.net says...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:09:12 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and
> > > >> >> 'what really just happened' can be so different.
> >
> > > >> > One word, video.
> >
> > > >> If looking at videos improved golf swings everyone would be scratch.
> >
> > > >It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what is
> > > >happening.
> >
> > > Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
> >
> > The camera does not lie.
> > The camera has not interest in your progress.
> > The camera does not get paid based upon your performance.
> >
> > The camera is a truly independent view of your actions.
>
> There are basic fundamentals of THE golf swing. Many if not most
> amateurs fail to make a functional swing that repeats because they
> fail in one or all of the following: grip, setup, takeaway.
You can say this about any sport or activity. Repetition is the friend
> On Feb 6, 3:16 pm, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > In article <v0rvi75cfu3n2tf5a326mb4nsgsctf7...@4ax.com>,
> > how...@brazee.net says...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:09:12 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> Golf is the ONLY activity where 'what you think just happened' and
> > > >> >> 'what really just happened' can be so different.
> >
> > > >> > One word, video.
> >
> > > >> If looking at videos improved golf swings everyone would be scratch.
> >
> > > >It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what is
> > > >happening.
> >
> > > Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
> >
> > The camera does not lie.
> > The camera has not interest in your progress.
> > The camera does not get paid based upon your performance.
> >
> > The camera is a truly independent view of your actions.
>
> There are basic fundamentals of THE golf swing. Many if not most
> amateurs fail to make a functional swing that repeats because they
> fail in one or all of the following: grip, setup, takeaway.
of consistency.
> So they reach a top position from which it is IMPOSSIBLE to make an on-
> plane accelerating swing through the ball. Impossible to hit it
> straight with little side-spin, impossible to even make crisp
> contact.
on a launch monitor. The club maker made note of it when I was being
fitted. I still don't hit the ball far because I can't turn to generate
the club head speed.
> So a teaching pro spends his day fixing grip, setup, and takeaway.
> When the student goes away and comes back a few days or months later,
> the pro must AGAIN fix either grip, setup, or takeaway-- because most
> students will have "adjusted" those things and again made it
> impossible to reach a correct top position. Typically that iteration
> occurs until finally the student believes! And rigorously gets his
> grip, setup, and takeaway right EVERY SWING!
other sports are played with a coach on the playing field with you to
give you immediate feedback on your activity.
> When he comes back again with his fundamentals correct, now the pro
> has something to work with! NOW he can show the guy how to lay it
> off and other advanced techniques to hit it straight and long.
progress or lack there of.
BAR
Feb 7, 2012, 7:21:29 AM2/7/12
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In article <tvi1j7t04hmdephk0...@4ax.com>, donsno2
You do know that the video camera is known as the one-eye-no-lie.
You do know that a video playback is just that, a playback.
You do know that a video playback is just that, a playback.
gpsman
Feb 7, 2012, 8:06:28 AM2/7/12
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Not only do cameras lie, so do eyeballs.
Images are 2 dimensional representations of 3 dimensions, and visual
perception is subjective.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/02/smile_and_say_fat.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_perception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_illusion
-----
- gpsman
Images are 2 dimensional representations of 3 dimensions, and visual
perception is subjective.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/02/smile_and_say_fat.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_perception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_illusion
-----
- gpsman
Howard Brazee
Feb 7, 2012, 9:54:09 AM2/7/12
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>> >It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what is
>> >happening.
>>
>> Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
>
>The camera does not lie.
>The camera has not interest in your progress.
>The camera does not get paid based upon your performance.
>
>The camera is a truly independent view of your actions.
The camera doesn't have a brain and knows nothing about golf. A
>> >happening.
>>
>> Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
>
>The camera does not lie.
>The camera has not interest in your progress.
>The camera does not get paid based upon your performance.
>
>The camera is a truly independent view of your actions.
trained eye can use a camera effectively though.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Howard Brazee
Feb 7, 2012, 10:05:03 AM2/7/12
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:17:52 -0800 (PST), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Can't say I agree with keeping 60% of the weight on the left leg. That
>would guarantee a reverse weight shift and a weak swing. If the weight
>is balanced at the setup then it has to be on the right leg at the
>backswing and move to the left through impact. Anything else will be
>very weak.
I'm not a good player - but this last year I have had significant
improvement with a major thought process being to put some muscle into
my back leg, keeping it firm in my back swing.
wrote:
>Can't say I agree with keeping 60% of the weight on the left leg. That
>would guarantee a reverse weight shift and a weak swing. If the weight
>is balanced at the setup then it has to be on the right leg at the
>backswing and move to the left through impact. Anything else will be
>very weak.
improvement with a major thought process being to put some muscle into
my back leg, keeping it firm in my back swing.
BARDFROMLARD
Feb 7, 2012, 10:12:08 AM2/7/12
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On Feb 5, 9:52 am, "mockinjay" <a897...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> Understanding all the teaching terms and how they relate to a physical
> action.
>
> Terms like release the club, lag, lay the club off, over the top, etc. I
> have heard them all my golfing life, but until I finally got old enough to
> quit swinging so hard and found out it was OK to keep your weight on your
> front leg throughout the swing, did a lot of these things finally reveal
> themselves.
>
> Then you have golf analyst on TV going through Tigers swing point by point
> and people rush out to the range and try to do this and that with their
> club shaft... on plane pointing at the target... yada yada yada. Before
> long guys like me have so many swing thoughts they are like a wooden
> indian rolling a cannon ball.
>
> Every golfer that picks up the game after 25 or so should be taught two
> things... Spend your first year playing with 60 % + of your weight on
> your front leg throughout the swing and try to relax. I think they would
> hit far less miss hits and the other aspects of the swing would be found
> and not forced (usually wrong).
>
> There are more teaching aids sold for golf than any other sport (game)
> because it is so hard for beginners to translate golf teaching terms into
> physical actions.
>
> Just my .02 this morning.
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
with out reading your post, its learning to control your brain and
> Understanding all the teaching terms and how they relate to a physical
> action.
>
> Terms like release the club, lag, lay the club off, over the top, etc. I
> have heard them all my golfing life, but until I finally got old enough to
> quit swinging so hard and found out it was OK to keep your weight on your
> front leg throughout the swing, did a lot of these things finally reveal
> themselves.
>
> Then you have golf analyst on TV going through Tigers swing point by point
> and people rush out to the range and try to do this and that with their
> club shaft... on plane pointing at the target... yada yada yada. Before
> long guys like me have so many swing thoughts they are like a wooden
> indian rolling a cannon ball.
>
> Every golfer that picks up the game after 25 or so should be taught two
> things... Spend your first year playing with 60 % + of your weight on
> your front leg throughout the swing and try to relax. I think they would
> hit far less miss hits and the other aspects of the swing would be found
> and not forced (usually wrong).
>
> There are more teaching aids sold for golf than any other sport (game)
> because it is so hard for beginners to translate golf teaching terms into
> physical actions.
>
> Just my .02 this morning.
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
emotions. Thats really the hard part.
mockinjay
Feb 7, 2012, 11:19:07 AM2/7/12
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point that you can't do anything when your emotions are out of control.
An analogy I like to use has to do with playing pool.
Uncertain players slam balls around on every shot. Accomplished players
almost never hit the balls hard. The tempo of my swing reflects my
confidence.
_______________________________________________________________________
Don Kirkman
Feb 7, 2012, 12:39:28 PM2/7/12
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--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 7, 2012, 12:58:33 PM2/7/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
In the golf swing we MUST shift back so we can aggressively shift
> - Show quoted text -
forward.
We must lift a hammer before we drive it down.
Watch Lee Westwood-- THIS is an aggressive swing that starts with his
weight shift to his back foot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToyGOotGZF4
I like to remember his aggressive divots when I swing.
Larry
Alan Baker
Feb 7, 2012, 1:05:23 PM2/7/12
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In article
<fea6bb33-6014-427a...@t15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
There are people with only one leg who play golf quite well. If shifting
one's weight were essential, they couldn't do it.
> Watch Lee Westwood-- THIS is an aggressive swing that starts with his
> weight shift to his back foot.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToyGOotGZF4
>
> I like to remember his aggressive divots when I swing.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw-nt0eTb2w>
He's a three handicap, Larry, and he completely refutes your thesis.
<fea6bb33-6014-427a...@t15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> >
> > > Can't say I agree with keeping 60% of the weight on the left leg. That
> > > would guarantee a reverse weight shift and a weak swing. If the weight
> > > is balanced at the setup then it has to be on the right leg at the
> > > backswing and move to the left through impact. Anything else will be
> > > very weak.
> >
> > My point was *never less than 60%* (I am a stack and tilt advocate) You
> > can't have a reverse pivot with the majority of your weight on the front
> > leg.
> >
> > _____________________________________________________________________ -
> > Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> In the golf swing we MUST shift back so we can aggressively shift
> forward.
>
> We must lift a hammer before we drive it down.
No. This is complete and utter nonsense.
> >
> > > Can't say I agree with keeping 60% of the weight on the left leg. That
> > > would guarantee a reverse weight shift and a weak swing. If the weight
> > > is balanced at the setup then it has to be on the right leg at the
> > > backswing and move to the left through impact. Anything else will be
> > > very weak.
> >
> > My point was *never less than 60%* (I am a stack and tilt advocate) You
> > can't have a reverse pivot with the majority of your weight on the front
> > leg.
> >
> > _____________________________________________________________________ -
> > Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> In the golf swing we MUST shift back so we can aggressively shift
> forward.
>
> We must lift a hammer before we drive it down.
There are people with only one leg who play golf quite well. If shifting
one's weight were essential, they couldn't do it.
> Watch Lee Westwood-- THIS is an aggressive swing that starts with his
> weight shift to his back foot.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToyGOotGZF4
>
> I like to remember his aggressive divots when I swing.
He's a three handicap, Larry, and he completely refutes your thesis.
mockinjay
Feb 7, 2012, 2:42:59 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7 2012 11:58 AM, larry wrote:
> In the golf swing we MUST shift back so we can aggressively shift
> forward.
>
> We must lift a hammer before we drive it down.
>
> Watch Lee Westwood-- THIS is an aggressive swing that starts with his
> weight shift to his back foot.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToyGOotGZF4
>
> I like to remember his aggressive divots when I swing.
>
> Larry
Maybe you must, but if you are including me in we, then 'we' don't must.
> In the golf swing we MUST shift back so we can aggressively shift
> forward.
>
> We must lift a hammer before we drive it down.
>
> Watch Lee Westwood-- THIS is an aggressive swing that starts with his
> weight shift to his back foot.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToyGOotGZF4
>
> I like to remember his aggressive divots when I swing.
>
> Larry
:)
Good video, he has a great swing.
I am a Stack and Tilt guy and am loving it. Never hit the ball so
cleanly. My golfing life has been frustrating due fat shots. Keeping the
weight forward has pretty much cured that.
Watch this when you have time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2FnfZlRwak
I saw this years ago and thought it was just a drill, then I found Stack
and Tilt and discovered they built a whole swing on the principle.
No, I don't use the tip of my back foot, I use a conventional stance.
Clean ball striking has increased my golf pleasure 10 fold. No, I will
never be a scratch golfer, but I will enjoy shooting mid 80's a lot more.
Cheers
____________________________________________________________________
JohnO
Feb 7, 2012, 3:21:18 PM2/7/12
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the right leg through the swing.
JohnO
Feb 7, 2012, 3:22:23 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 8, 7:05 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <fea6bb33-6014-427a-9893-c10783bd5...@t15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
with two legs play better.
> If shifting
> one's weight were essential, they couldn't do it.
Not essential - BETTER.
> In article
> <fea6bb33-6014-427a-9893-c10783bd5...@t15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>
> > > > Can't say I agree with keeping 60% of the weight on the left leg. That
> > > > would guarantee a reverse weight shift and a weak swing. If the weight
> > > > is balanced at the setup then it has to be on the right leg at the
> > > > backswing and move to the left through impact. Anything else will be
> > > > very weak.
>
> > > My point was *never less than 60%* (I am a stack and tilt advocate) You
> > > can't have a reverse pivot with the majority of your weight on the front
> > > leg.
>
> > > _____________________________________________________________________ -
> > > Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > In the golf swing we MUST shift back so we can aggressively shift
> > forward.
>
> > We must lift a hammer before we drive it down.
>
> No. This is complete and utter nonsense.
>
> There are people with only one leg who play golf quite well.
That is ridiculous and easily dismissed by the simple fact that people
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>
> > > > Can't say I agree with keeping 60% of the weight on the left leg. That
> > > > would guarantee a reverse weight shift and a weak swing. If the weight
> > > > is balanced at the setup then it has to be on the right leg at the
> > > > backswing and move to the left through impact. Anything else will be
> > > > very weak.
>
> > > My point was *never less than 60%* (I am a stack and tilt advocate) You
> > > can't have a reverse pivot with the majority of your weight on the front
> > > leg.
>
> > > _____________________________________________________________________ -
> > > Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > In the golf swing we MUST shift back so we can aggressively shift
> > forward.
>
> > We must lift a hammer before we drive it down.
>
> No. This is complete and utter nonsense.
>
> There are people with only one leg who play golf quite well.
with two legs play better.
> If shifting
> one's weight were essential, they couldn't do it.
Frank Ketchum
Feb 7, 2012, 4:54:13 PM2/7/12
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"mockinjay" <a89...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:3fb809x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
No matter what anyone says, you have to do what works for you. There isn't
anything wrong with what you are suggesting. Larry is a lesson/driving
range guy. I know lots of guys like this. They take lesson after lesson
after lesson and rake and beat balls on the range until the cows come home.
They can tell you everything that you are doing that isn't textbook.
Go play golf with them on an actual course and you won't see much of a game
but you will hear lots of excuses.
As I've said, I'm glad Larrrrrry is back. He is quite entertaining.
news:3fb809x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
anything wrong with what you are suggesting. Larry is a lesson/driving
range guy. I know lots of guys like this. They take lesson after lesson
after lesson and rake and beat balls on the range until the cows come home.
They can tell you everything that you are doing that isn't textbook.
Go play golf with them on an actual course and you won't see much of a game
but you will hear lots of excuses.
As I've said, I'm glad Larrrrrry is back. He is quite entertaining.
Alan Baker
Feb 7, 2012, 6:46:05 PM2/7/12
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In article
<d4a88974-fd4d-4ec1...@s8g2000pbj.googlegroups.com>,
Which is not what Larry was saying. I agree that being able to use a
weight transfer makes a golf swing better (more distance), or more
accurate for the same distance--take your pick, but Larry has this idea
that it is a panacea for everything in the golf swing.
:-)
<d4a88974-fd4d-4ec1...@s8g2000pbj.googlegroups.com>,
weight transfer makes a golf swing better (more distance), or more
accurate for the same distance--take your pick, but Larry has this idea
that it is a panacea for everything in the golf swing.
:-)
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 7, 2012, 7:30:58 PM2/7/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Good post. I think most amateurs swing too hard and have no idea how
> - Show quoted text -
to swing with more control like really good players do.
The answer is lessons and drills that require us to really learn the
swing-- to pay close attention to the various parts of the swing as we
rebuild it from scratch. That alone is sufficient to slow us down
because instead of a crazy urge to hit it over the horizon, we have
the urge to make a correct divot or weight shift, or classic finish.
We replace "distance" thoughts with thoughts that we use on the range
to achieve consistency, that we use to hit 10 good shots in a row, for
instance.
If we were taking guitar lessons, few of us would pick it up and make
loud sounds as fast as we can. We don't do that because we would
sound like an idiot-- But for some reason amateurs fail to realize
that good golfers watch them mindlessly hit balls into the trees or OB
and ALSO think that guy is an idiot. If you want respect from good
golfers, smoothly swing in control and hit it down the middle. Nobody
cares that it might not go as far...
Larry
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 7, 2012, 7:38:56 PM2/7/12
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just get better at hitting them off your back foot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQZ5wGZJPm4
This guy is actually a teaching pro. He shoots BELOW PAR from the
white tees. He is not long, but he hits fairways and greens and
scores.
I advise those who just are having trouble learning the transition
weight shift to decide whether to go forward or go back. Decide
because somewhere between, swinging too hard with weight not quite
posted, means playing the treeline and OB, playing the rough instead
of the short grass, always recovering. So if you really can't shift
and accelerate through, then hit it like that guy and have fun!
Larry
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 7, 2012, 7:47:24 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 1:54 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...@thanksanyway.com> wrote:
> "mockinjay" <a897...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> As I've said, I'm glad Larrrrrry is back. He is quite entertaining.- Hide quoted text -
with one short iron every few days. But I don't just hit balls.
With each ball I work to make a technically good backswing and lay the
club off as I shift and swing through. It just gets better. When I
play the course, I bring that same swing-- and guess what? I hit
fairways and greens from the fairways. The theory works! All we
need is to absolutely KNOW what we should be doing (lessons) and then
ingrain it on the range. Once we can do it several times in a row,
why wouldn't he be able to do it on the course? Those who learn to
play guitar in a practice room eventually bring their ability out on
stage.
When you see someone who has taken lessons AND worked on the range--
don't bet against him.
Larry
> "mockinjay" <a897...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
That is rationalization, of course. I hit a SMALL bucket of balls
> - Show quoted text -
with one short iron every few days. But I don't just hit balls.
With each ball I work to make a technically good backswing and lay the
club off as I shift and swing through. It just gets better. When I
play the course, I bring that same swing-- and guess what? I hit
fairways and greens from the fairways. The theory works! All we
need is to absolutely KNOW what we should be doing (lessons) and then
ingrain it on the range. Once we can do it several times in a row,
why wouldn't he be able to do it on the course? Those who learn to
play guitar in a practice room eventually bring their ability out on
stage.
When you see someone who has taken lessons AND worked on the range--
don't bet against him.
Larry
mockinjay
Feb 7, 2012, 9:03:48 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7 2012 6:38 PM, larry wrote:
__________________________________________
>
> Nothing wrong with that. If you really can't shift before you swing,
> just get better at hitting them off your back foot!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQZ5wGZJPm4
>
> This guy is actually a teaching pro. He shoots BELOW PAR from the
> white tees. He is not long, but he hits fairways and greens and
> scores.
"This guy" must have a hell of a short game.
__________________________________________
>
> Nothing wrong with that. If you really can't shift before you swing,
> just get better at hitting them off your back foot!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQZ5wGZJPm4
>
> This guy is actually a teaching pro. He shoots BELOW PAR from the
> white tees. He is not long, but he hits fairways and greens and
> scores.
You know "this guy" and play golf with him and he can't see the light by
watching your swing?
Why would anyone want to hit it intentionally with the weight on their
back foot?
This is what I am talking about. The guys weight never leaves his front
leg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im5UAZHeoDc
I am going to try to make one of these after daylight savings time.
I saw your brief vids. Meh.. hard to tell anything. What distance do you
hit a 7 iron?
--------
BAR
Feb 7, 2012, 9:17:24 PM2/7/12
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In article <36b9e5bd-5cd0-4778-8503-
ae963a...@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
says...
The video camera does not perceive or interpret. The video camera
records and plays back.
ae963a...@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
says...
records and plays back.
BAR
Feb 7, 2012, 9:17:25 PM2/7/12
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In article <18n2j7pf52mpfutif...@4ax.com>, donsno2
You went off on a tangent, I borught you back to the issue.
BAR
Feb 7, 2012, 9:17:26 PM2/7/12
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In article <5ne2j75ab838dl9nr...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:16:00 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> >It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what is
> >> >happening.
> >>
> >> Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
> >
> >The camera does not lie.
> >The camera has not interest in your progress.
> >The camera does not get paid based upon your performance.
> >
> >The camera is a truly independent view of your actions.
>
> The camera doesn't have a brain and knows nothing about golf. A
> trained eye can use a camera effectively though.
The is true. That is why the camera doesn't lie.
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:16:00 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> >It addresses the problem of what you think is happening and what is
> >> >happening.
> >>
> >> Even top pros observe different things with the same swing.
> >
> >The camera does not lie.
> >The camera has not interest in your progress.
> >The camera does not get paid based upon your performance.
> >
> >The camera is a truly independent view of your actions.
>
> The camera doesn't have a brain and knows nothing about golf. A
> trained eye can use a camera effectively though.
Carbon
Feb 7, 2012, 9:52:48 PM2/7/12
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BAR
Feb 7, 2012, 10:46:55 PM2/7/12
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In article <pan.2012.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
It is an indispensable tool.
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
Don Kirkman
Feb 8, 2012, 2:04:09 AM2/8/12
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interpretation. (I'll ignore that you actually claimed the camera,
not the image, was sufficient in and of itself, a pretty weird take on
how humans understand things.) I pointed out that without an
interpreter there is no interpretation. Images are tools; used wisely
and logically they are great aids, but a brain still has to be part of
the equation.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
BAR
Feb 8, 2012, 7:25:28 AM2/8/12
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In article <mp64j795uqf25merm...@4ax.com>, donsno2
I made no such claim about interpretation.
You and some others are pushing the position that you need professional
interpretation in order to use the tool. I disagree.
You and some others are pushing the position that you need professional
interpretation in order to use the tool. I disagree.
Carbon
Feb 8, 2012, 7:37:13 AM2/8/12
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at.
gpsman
Feb 8, 2012, 7:56:40 AM2/8/12
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On Feb 7, 9:17 pm, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <36b9e5bd-5cd0-4778-8503-
> ae963a2eb...@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
-----
- gpsman
> In article <36b9e5bd-5cd0-4778-8503-
> ae963a2eb...@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
> says...
> > On Feb 6, 6:16 pm, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > > The camera does not lie.
>
> > Not only do cameras lie, so do eyeballs.
>
> > Images are 2 dimensional representations of 3 dimensions, and visual
> > perception is subjective.
>
> >http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/02/smi...
> > On Feb 6, 6:16 pm, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > > The camera does not lie.
>
> > Not only do cameras lie, so do eyeballs.
>
> > Images are 2 dimensional representations of 3 dimensions, and visual
> > perception is subjective.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_perception
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_illusion
>
> The video camera does not perceive or interpret. The video camera
> records and plays back.
Fascinatingly irrelevant... and you obviously don't know why.
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_illusion
>
> The video camera does not perceive or interpret. The video camera
> records and plays back.
-----
- gpsman
Frank Ketchum
Feb 8, 2012, 8:37:51 AM2/8/12
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<la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote in message
news:42470b07-9ae2-48df...@t24g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
- - -
Ignore the email I just sent you, I accidently emailed you rather than
respond to your post. My question is
What percentage of your practice time do you spend on the short game? Let's
say from 50 yards and closer?
news:42470b07-9ae2-48df...@t24g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
Ignore the email I just sent you, I accidently emailed you rather than
respond to your post. My question is
What percentage of your practice time do you spend on the short game? Let's
say from 50 yards and closer?
Frank Ketchum
Feb 8, 2012, 11:24:47 AM2/8/12
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"mockinjay" <a89...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:ui7609x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
> On Feb 5 2012 12:47 PM, BAR wrote:
>
>
>> You and Larry should get together and come up with the newest "secret"
>> to sell to the golf world.
>
> I was thinking later about this and I bet Larry just loves golf. That
> can't be all bad.
>
> It does get annoying when people think you should try what works for them
> though, especially when you are playing bad.
>
> Now, if when you say 'sell' he is actually selling something, that would
> be different.
Larry is selling something. It's some device that is supposed to improve
your golf swing.
Larry has a long history here of discovering secret after secret about golf
and always claiming he is just on the verge of greatness. He still is.
That would be entertaining enough but his attitude has always been very
condescending to those of us who just laughed at him. Those of us, that is,
who know there is no secret to the game. Golf requires a lot of things to
do well, none of which are secrets.
Don Kirkman
Feb 8, 2012, 12:20:18 PM2/8/12
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said professional interpretation. "Human" != "professional."
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 8, 2012, 12:51:48 PM2/8/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
I always spend 30 minutes or so chipping and pitching before I play a
> - Show quoted text -
round, on Friday if I am going to play Saturday or Sunday. The short
game "feel" does need to be refreshed, even for pros. They refresh it
the same way I am told. But if we have correct form, the feel and
ability to hit it close comes right back.
The guy with the back foot swing I posted earlier has been playing
golf 45+ years, is a teaching pro with a +++handicap. He is in his
mid 60s, so "legally" plays the white tees.
But he is a strong verification that distance does not translate to
score. He of course has a great short game, but he also plays one
ball 18 holes down the middle of fairways.
He plays like Gene Littler does, albeit with a very different swing.
Likely they would have a fun match. I wouldn't bet on the outcome.
Larry
Alan Baker
Feb 8, 2012, 2:13:51 PM2/8/12
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In article
<597094e3-294b-44a3...@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
...no matter what it is you're doing at the time.
<597094e3-294b-44a3...@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> I always spend 30 minutes or so chipping and pitching before I play a
> round, on Friday if I am going to play Saturday or Sunday. The short
> game "feel" does need to be refreshed, even for pros. They refresh it
> the same way I am told. But if we have correct form, the feel and
> ability to hit it close comes right back.
You always claim that the pros do everything just like you do, Larry...
> I always spend 30 minutes or so chipping and pitching before I play a
> round, on Friday if I am going to play Saturday or Sunday. The short
> game "feel" does need to be refreshed, even for pros. They refresh it
> the same way I am told. But if we have correct form, the feel and
> ability to hit it close comes right back.
...no matter what it is you're doing at the time.
mockinjay
Feb 8, 2012, 4:26:26 PM2/8/12
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while to show otherwise before I conclude he is.
------
Alan Baker
Feb 8, 2012, 4:47:53 PM2/8/12
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In article <2t5b09x...@app-01.ezprovider.com>,
If you really want to understand, Larry, read this:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder>
Carbon
Feb 8, 2012, 6:26:50 PM2/8/12
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matching! You even got the quoting right. Well done!
human=janitor
if [ "$human" != "professional" ]; then
printf "$human is not a professional.\n"
else
printf "$human is a professional.\n"
fi
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 8, 2012, 7:49:47 PM2/8/12
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On Feb 8, 1:47 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
<Deleted meaningless BS.>
But everyone else here worked today if they are younger than
retirement age. AB sat on his can all day AGAIN instead of doing
something productive. He is a sad case. Poor boob dropped out of
school, likely with severe ADD, then has done NOTHING to improve
himself. Today he is 50 and wasting time. He has been rejected from
every group both in person and on-line. Amazing. Obviously as we
have learned here, and as they learned in the skiing forums, to know
AB is is to hate him. They are spitting venom at the very mention of
his name over there. Check it out! And of course no woman has ever
been able to stand him more than a date or two, so he emains single
and likely to stay single. Then of course what woman wants to be
with a guy with NOTHING going for him.
How can we get rid of AB?
I like the forums with moderators. He has been banned from EVERY ONE
because they warn him to stop the personal attacks, he does it again,
they warn him again, and then he is gone. I could list half a dozen
where that has happened.
Larry
<Deleted meaningless BS.>
But everyone else here worked today if they are younger than
retirement age. AB sat on his can all day AGAIN instead of doing
something productive. He is a sad case. Poor boob dropped out of
school, likely with severe ADD, then has done NOTHING to improve
himself. Today he is 50 and wasting time. He has been rejected from
every group both in person and on-line. Amazing. Obviously as we
have learned here, and as they learned in the skiing forums, to know
AB is is to hate him. They are spitting venom at the very mention of
his name over there. Check it out! And of course no woman has ever
been able to stand him more than a date or two, so he emains single
and likely to stay single. Then of course what woman wants to be
with a guy with NOTHING going for him.
How can we get rid of AB?
I like the forums with moderators. He has been banned from EVERY ONE
because they warn him to stop the personal attacks, he does it again,
they warn him again, and then he is gone. I could list half a dozen
where that has happened.
Larry
bkn...@conramp.net
Feb 8, 2012, 8:04:19 PM2/8/12
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:49:47 -0800 (PST), la...@pivotforpower.com
wrote:
>I like the forums with moderators. He has been banned from EVERY ONE
>because they warn him to stop the personal attacks, he does it again,
>they warn him again, and then he is gone. I could list half a dozen
>where that has happened.
>
>Larry
List them.
wrote:
>I like the forums with moderators. He has been banned from EVERY ONE
>because they warn him to stop the personal attacks, he does it again,
>they warn him again, and then he is gone. I could list half a dozen
>where that has happened.
>
>Larry
BAR
Feb 8, 2012, 8:14:52 PM2/8/12
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Alan Baker
Feb 8, 2012, 8:32:35 PM2/8/12
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In article
<22803bc9-a7fc-44db...@db5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> He is a sad case. Poor boob dropped out of
> school, likely with severe ADD, then has done NOTHING to improve
> himself. Today he is 50 and wasting time. He has been rejected from
> every group both in person and on-line. Amazing. Obviously as we
> have learned here, and as they learned in the skiing forums, to know
> AB is is to hate him.
The only person on any skiing forum who "hates" me is literally Usenet's
biggest jerk: Scott Barak Abraham.
> They are spitting venom at the very mention of
> his name over there. Check it out! And of course no woman has ever
> been able to stand him more than a date or two, so he emains single
> and likely to stay single. Then of course what woman wants to be
> with a guy with NOTHING going for him.
Actually, I have a lovely girlfriend with a double major bachelor's
degree and three black belts.
> How can we get rid of AB?
>
> I like the forums with moderators. He has been banned from EVERY ONE
> because they warn him to stop the personal attacks, he does it again,
How many of those self-same forums have you been banned from Larry?
> they warn him again, and then he is gone. I could list half a dozen
> where that has happened.
List away!
<22803bc9-a7fc-44db...@db5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:47 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> <Deleted meaningless BS.>
>
> But everyone else here worked today if they are younger than
> retirement age. AB sat on his can all day AGAIN instead of doing
> something productive.
Actually, you're wrong again..
> On Feb 8, 1:47 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> <Deleted meaningless BS.>
>
> But everyone else here worked today if they are younger than
> retirement age. AB sat on his can all day AGAIN instead of doing
> something productive.
> He is a sad case. Poor boob dropped out of
> school, likely with severe ADD, then has done NOTHING to improve
> himself. Today he is 50 and wasting time. He has been rejected from
> every group both in person and on-line. Amazing. Obviously as we
> have learned here, and as they learned in the skiing forums, to know
> AB is is to hate him.
biggest jerk: Scott Barak Abraham.
> They are spitting venom at the very mention of
> his name over there. Check it out! And of course no woman has ever
> been able to stand him more than a date or two, so he emains single
> and likely to stay single. Then of course what woman wants to be
> with a guy with NOTHING going for him.
degree and three black belts.
> How can we get rid of AB?
>
> I like the forums with moderators. He has been banned from EVERY ONE
> because they warn him to stop the personal attacks, he does it again,
> they warn him again, and then he is gone. I could list half a dozen
> where that has happened.
Carbon
Feb 8, 2012, 9:01:19 PM2/8/12
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BAR
Feb 8, 2012, 9:09:45 PM2/8/12
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bash is the only shell.
Lloyd
Feb 8, 2012, 11:19:02 PM2/8/12
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it does 'cause he calls you out for your bullshit. Yeah, he does get a
bit carried away, but then you are so full of yourself, it is simple to
get your goat.
MNMikew
Feb 9, 2012, 10:57:04 AM2/9/12
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"Carbon" <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2012.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com...
Alan Baker
Feb 9, 2012, 2:05:15 PM2/9/12
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In article
<lloydparsons-E872...@news.eternal-september.org>,
And fun, and good for me.
I'd much rather get my argumentative streak out of the way on people of
Larry's ilk.
:-)
<lloydparsons-E872...@news.eternal-september.org>,
I'd much rather get my argumentative streak out of the way on people of
Larry's ilk.
:-)
Carbon
Feb 9, 2012, 9:13:27 PM2/9/12
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BAR
Feb 9, 2012, 9:20:46 PM2/9/12
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Carbon
Feb 9, 2012, 9:48:28 PM2/9/12
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:09:45 -0500, BAR wrote:
> In article <pan.2012.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:14:52 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <pan.2012.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
>>> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>
> In article <pan.2012.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:14:52 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <pan.2012.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
>>> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>
>>>> Not only are you right, you're using Bourne-shell compatible
>>>> element matching! You even got the quoting right. Well done!
>>>>
>>>> human=janitor
>>>> if [ "$human" != "professional" ]; then
>>>> printf "$human is not a professional.\n"
>>>> else
>>>> printf "$human is a professional.\n"
>>>> fi
>>>
>>> I prefer the Bourne Again Shell
>>
>> Or ksh93. I'm bilingual.
>
> I don't do ksh, csh, or tcsh.
>
> bash is the only shell.
If you know bash you also know ksh93 (but not ksh88, which blows).
>>>> element matching! You even got the quoting right. Well done!
>>>>
>>>> human=janitor
>>>> if [ "$human" != "professional" ]; then
>>>> printf "$human is not a professional.\n"
>>>> else
>>>> printf "$human is a professional.\n"
>>>> fi
>>>
>>> I prefer the Bourne Again Shell
>>
>> Or ksh93. I'm bilingual.
>
> I don't do ksh, csh, or tcsh.
>
> bash is the only shell.
I've been doing a lot of AIX administration, so ksh only. I was
surprised when I ported one of my scripts from Linux to AIX and the only
thing I had to change was the bang path from /bin/bash to
/usr/bin/ksh93.
I have been bitten by shortcomings in the AIX versions of grep, awk, and
et cetera. But that is a different story.
la...@pivotforpower.com
Feb 9, 2012, 9:53:32 PM2/9/12
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wasted here. You guys need to get a life.
Larry
Carbon
Feb 9, 2012, 10:06:53 PM2/9/12
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:53:32 -0800, larry wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:04 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:49:47 -0800 (PST), la...@pivotforpower.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I like the forums with moderators. He has been banned from EVERY
>>> ONE because they warn him to stop the personal attacks, he does it
>>> again, they warn him again, and then he is gone. I could list half
>>> a dozen where that has happened.
>>
> On Feb 8, 5:04 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:49:47 -0800 (PST), la...@pivotforpower.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I like the forums with moderators. He has been banned from EVERY
>>> ONE because they warn him to stop the personal attacks, he does it
>>> again, they warn him again, and then he is gone. I could list half
>>> a dozen where that has happened.
>>
>> List them.
>
> Not likely. That would require more than my usual 5 minutes of time
> wasted here. You guys need to get a life.
This from someone who spends hours every day trolling all manner of
>
> Not likely. That would require more than my usual 5 minutes of time
> wasted here. You guys need to get a life.
online forums.
Alan Baker
Feb 9, 2012, 10:36:30 PM2/9/12
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In article
<17b5c908-c3f6-4a62...@n12g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
So you can't remember them?
Senility would explain a few of your shortcomings.
:-)
<17b5c908-c3f6-4a62...@n12g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Senility would explain a few of your shortcomings.
:-)
bkn...@conramp.net
Feb 9, 2012, 10:43:52 PM2/9/12
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 18:53:32 -0800 (PST), la...@pivotforpower.com
wrote:
That's a laugh. All you do is spend time making wild statements about
someone that is pure speculation...over and over, time after time, and
you suggest that someone else gets a life?
I can't imagine anyone else here wanting to trade for yours.
BK
wrote:
someone that is pure speculation...over and over, time after time, and
you suggest that someone else gets a life?
I can't imagine anyone else here wanting to trade for yours.
BK
bkn...@conramp.net
Feb 9, 2012, 10:46:38 PM2/9/12
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On 10 Feb 2012 03:06:53 GMT, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:
Yeah, and making up shit.
BK
wrote:
BK
Carbon
Feb 9, 2012, 11:22:05 PM2/9/12
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