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la...@pivotforpower.com

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Oct 24, 2012, 4:59:18 PM10/24/12
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All he has to do is release his school and passport records. Simple. Any normal American would do that for $5. Why won't Obama do it for $5 MILLION CASH?

Ask yourself why our president hides records about his education and his travel. Do we want a president whose qualifications and travel records are secret?

And if you are so partisan that you would say yes, look in the mirror. That guy is a moron.

Larry

MNMikeW

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Oct 24, 2012, 6:46:39 PM10/24/12
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Trump is an idiot and needs to go away. Just like Gloria Allred. They
are simply media whores looking for attention.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 24, 2012, 6:50:57 PM10/24/12
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Yep....we agree on that.

Carbon

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Oct 24, 2012, 7:09:13 PM10/24/12
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Trump's a moron. So are you. So is any other idiot who can't see this
foolishness only helps Obama. He would like nothing more than for this
stupid crap to be on the news every day until election day.

unknown

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Oct 24, 2012, 8:34:38 PM10/24/12
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Donald Trump Stares Forlornly At Tiny, Aged Penis In Mirror Before Putting On Clothes, Beginning Day

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NEW YORK—Real estate mogul and television personality Donald Trump reportedly stood before his bedroom's full-length mirror Wednesday morning and stared forlornly at his aged, shriveled penis before getting dressed and leaving his residence in Manhattan's Trump Tower to start the day.

According to reports, the 66-year-old had laid his suit out on his bed and was preparing to step into a pair of silk boxer shorts when he glimpsed his deteriorating body in the mirror. Trump then spent approximately 15 to 20 minutes morosely reflecting on his appearance, dedicating most of that time to gazing at his desiccated sexual anatomy and contemplating its all-but-total lack of function.

"God, look at this thing," said a dejected Trump, hoisting up a large quantity of belly flab with his forearm to make his stunted organ visible. "Pitiful."

Trump, who in just over an hour would be appearing on the morning show Fox And Friends to assert that the president of the United States was not an American citizen, is said to have grasped the bulb of his penis with his thumb and forefinger and stretched the organ to its full 3-inch length before letting it go and leaving it to loll on an unruly tangle of mostly gray pubic hair. Noticing the pronounced droop of his scrotum, Trump glumly cupped his testicles in his hand and lifted them several inches until they reached the approximate height at which they had hung in his youth and even into early middle age.

At this point, Trump is purported to have released the heavily crinkled pouch and sighed deeply.

"What the hell happened?" said Trump, who appeared to receive no reassurance by swiveling and viewing his shrunken penis in profile. "It's just…dead."

Sources confirmed Trump then received a phone call from an Associated Press reporter asking him to respond to charges that he was a "blowhard" and a "bully," allegations Trump managed to address despite his preoccupation with the condition of his sexual organ.

"I'm rich and famous, and everyone wants to be me," Trump told the caller, all the while struggling to recall the last time he was able to achieve even a partial erection. "That doesn't make me a bully. That just makes me better than most people."

"There's never been a success story like mine in the history of America," continued Trump, who briefly tipped the phone away from his mouth as he licked his palm and began tugging on his penis with a loose fist. "I'm a phenomenon, and I don't care who knows it—of course, everyone already does."

Upon disconnecting, Trump continued to stroke vigorously for three full minutes before giving up in exhaustion.

Shortly thereafter, Trump reportedly turned his attention to the remainder of his body, miserably noting in his reflection the complete absence of muscle tone in his arms, the vast network of wrinkles on his face that showed through despite a freshly applied layer of bronzer, and the loose flesh on his neck, which he pulled taut several times with his thumbs. According to sources, Trump then attempted to shake free of his melancholy by rising to his toes in a boxing stance and pantomiming a series of punch combinations, an effort that quickly embarrassed him and intensified his gloom.

"Sixty-six years old," said Trump, who has an estimated fortune of $2.9 billion. "What's 70 going to look like? And 75? What the hell am I gonna do then?"

Gazing over at the clothes neatly laid out on his bed, Trump added, "Goddamn it."


http://tinyurl.com/6mz9x8f

William Clark

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Oct 25, 2012, 9:54:24 AM10/25/12
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In article <i5sg88h7glq7120bl...@4ax.com>,
As the Guardian put it "Donald Trumps himself for idiocy".

unknown

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Colbert’s To Trump: I’ll Donate $1 Million To Charity If ‘You Let Me Dip My Balls In Your Mouth" - Video

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On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:59:19 PM UTC-7, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:

la...@pivotforpower.com

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Oct 25, 2012, 12:37:05 PM10/25/12
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But lets look at the big picture. Why is it out of bounds to demand that our president reveal details that EVERY OTHER president has revealed?

Larry

Alan Baker

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Oct 25, 2012, 12:38:25 PM10/25/12
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In article <af18d5a1-cbaa-4129...@googlegroups.com>,
Tell us, Larry: why is it out of bounds for Mitt to reveal what he
demanded of his own running mate?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 25, 2012, 12:40:50 PM10/25/12
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Simple. Anything Donald Trump does is stupid. He was as a birther
and he is now. So are you.

la...@pivotforpower.com

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Oct 25, 2012, 12:55:53 PM10/25/12
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Drop into "Trump Tower" in NYC and tell people that. Trump is a self-made BILLIONAIRE who got where he is by making brilliant deals. He is very very smart. He graduated summa cum laude from Wharton business school. 1% can get in that school, more difficult than Harvard Business school.

When Trump talks people listen. He is usually right.

Larry

bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 25, 2012, 1:05:06 PM10/25/12
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT), "la...@pivotforpower.com"
Maybe in business deals. Have you ever watched that idiotic TV show
of his? Have you listened to any of his bs about personalities? He
never knows when to keep his mouth shut and is probably the biggest
egotist in the public eye. When he talks I tune out and am better for
it.

But you go ahead and buy his crap...because you're simple minded.

Alan Baker

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Oct 25, 2012, 1:11:46 PM10/25/12
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In article <84si88d4dc21ti4js...@4ax.com>,
Nope. He buys his crap because, in Larry's world, his beliefs trump
facts.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder>

William Clark

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Oct 25, 2012, 1:47:44 PM10/25/12
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Then why hasn't the Mitten revealed his tax returns for the past ten
years, when he expected his VP candidates to do so?

Alan Baker

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Oct 25, 2012, 1:48:14 PM10/25/12
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In article <clark-485451....@news.eternal-september.org>,
When he was required to do it when being considered as McCain's running
mate...

...Palin got the nod.

Makes one think, doesn't it?

Frank Ketchum

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Oct 25, 2012, 2:17:56 PM10/25/12
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"William Clark" <cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
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Good one. He annoys me, the only thing he is looking for is publicity.


Alan Baker

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Oct 25, 2012, 2:57:47 PM10/25/12
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In article <8d4d0be6-26e1-499a...@googlegroups.com>,
Have you seen what your fellow right-wing posters have been trying to
tell you, Larry?

Even the most extreme posters on here won't support this nonsense
anymore.

Carbon

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Oct 25, 2012, 6:19:01 PM10/25/12
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Like his tax returns?

BAR

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Oct 25, 2012, 6:46:26 PM10/25/12
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In article <clark-DDDA39....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
Donald Trump pays off his wagers but, you don't welcher.


BAR

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Oct 25, 2012, 6:47:17 PM10/25/12
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In article <clark-485451....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
Why haven't you paid off your bets, welcher?


BAR

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Oct 25, 2012, 6:47:47 PM10/25/12
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In article <pan.2012.10...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
Or his college records?

Rog

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Oct 25, 2012, 7:11:45 PM10/25/12
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William Clark wrote:


>>
>> As the Guardian put it "Donald Trumps himself for idiocy".


Hi William are you one of the 'Lentil-eating, sandal-wearing,
Guardian-reading do-gooders' that Tory MP Philip Davis talks about? :)

Lloyd

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Oct 26, 2012, 9:47:42 AM10/26/12
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In article <MPG.2af38ba2...@news.giganews.com>,
which President provided his college records?

Moderate

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Oct 26, 2012, 11:46:19 AM10/26/12
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Really?

Dene

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Oct 26, 2012, 3:38:57 PM10/26/12
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Nah....he's just a haughty welcher.

-Greg

Alan Baker

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Oct 26, 2012, 3:45:08 PM10/26/12
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In article
<614e2b54-3cfd-42a8...@a4g2000pbo.googlegroups.com>,
Give us your honest opinion of Larry's post, Greg...

BAR

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Oct 26, 2012, 6:55:55 PM10/26/12
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In article <lloydparsons-C563...@news.eternal-
september.org>, lloydp...@me.com says...
Bush

gpsman

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Oct 26, 2012, 7:39:15 PM10/26/12
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On Oct 26, 6:55 pm, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > which President provided his college records?
>
> Bush

His Yale transcript, after being obtained and published by the New
Yorker in 1999, a year before the election.
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1999/11/08/1999_11_08_030_TNY_LIBRY_000019458
-----

- gpsman

bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 26, 2012, 8:17:24 PM10/26/12
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:46:39 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:

>la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>> All he has to do is release his school and passport records. Simple. Any normal American would do that for $5. Why won't Obama do it for $5 MILLION CASH?
>>
>> Ask yourself why our president hides records about his education and his travel. Do we want a president whose qualifications and travel records are secret?
>>
>> And if you are so partisan that you would say yes, look in the mirror. That guy is a moron.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>Trump is an idiot and needs to go away. Just like Gloria Allred. They
>are simply media whores looking for attention.

Perfect description. Did you see him on Letterman this week? After
Trump's usual pontification Dave brought out some shirts and ties that
sold under his name at Macy's that Donald brought in to hawk. Then it
was shown that they were all made out of the country. The ties were
made in CHINA. Red faced he said that he wished he could have bought
some in the US. He could have. In fact why doesn't he use that $5
Mil to start a factory here to make those clothes? That would be a
way to make jobs.

What hypocrisy. Just like Romney helping businesses to go out of the
country.

Frank Ketchum

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Oct 26, 2012, 8:39:40 PM10/26/12
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<bkn...@conramp.net> wrote in message
news:ck9m881kbkqd2p547...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:46:39 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>>> All he has to do is release his school and passport records. Simple.
>>> Any normal American would do that for $5. Why won't Obama do it for $5
>>> MILLION CASH?
>>>
>>> Ask yourself why our president hides records about his education and his
>>> travel. Do we want a president whose qualifications and travel records
>>> are secret?
>>>
>>> And if you are so partisan that you would say yes, look in the mirror.
>>> That guy is a moron.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>Trump is an idiot and needs to go away. Just like Gloria Allred. They
>>are simply media whores looking for attention.
>
> Perfect description. Did you see him on Letterman this week? After
> Trump's usual pontification Dave brought out some shirts and ties that
> sold under his name at Macy's that Donald brought in to hawk. Then it
> was shown that they were all made out of the country. The ties were
> made in CHINA.

Ha! Wish I would have seen that, sounds funny. Trump drives me nuts with
his over the top blame china for everhthing bullshit he peddles. Serves him
right.


> Red faced he said that he wished he could have bought
> some in the US. He could have. In fact why doesn't he use that $5
> Mil to start a factory here to make those clothes? That would be a
> way to make jobs.

5 million bucks is unlikely to buy you the size building to start
manufacturing something like that much less all of the other capital needed.
Why would he? He can buy it for pennies on the dollar from overseas.
Hopefully this public humiliation will make him back off.


> What hypocrisy. Just like Romney helping businesses to go out of the
> country.

How is it that Romney helped businesses go out of the country?


la...@pivotforpower.com

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Oct 26, 2012, 8:52:58 PM10/26/12
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Romney is retired. All his wealth is in a blind trust and has been for many years, since before he was elected Governor of Mass.

Larry

bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 26, 2012, 9:09:38 PM10/26/12
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Not before he was elected there though, and would he allow businesses
to go out of country in the future to avoid taxes? Sure he would.

Howard Brazee

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Oct 26, 2012, 9:22:45 PM10/26/12
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:39:40 -0400, "Frank Ketchum"
<nos...@thanksanyway.com> wrote:

>Ha! Wish I would have seen that, sounds funny. Trump drives me nuts with
>his over the top blame china for everhthing bullshit he peddles. Serves him
>right.

Trump doesn't care. As long as he's the center of attention, it
doesn't matter what he says.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

BAR

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Oct 26, 2012, 9:47:38 PM10/26/12
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In article <ck9m881kbkqd2p547...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
What about Allred, shot down in flames by a sister!

Alan Baker

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Oct 27, 2012, 9:40:30 PM10/27/12
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In article <a60f278b-2b30-447e...@googlegroups.com>,
'"We remind you that Gov. Romney does not choose anything; these are
BLIND TRUSTS," a campaign official wrote in an email.

But government ethics experts and election lawyers told ABC News that
Romney's trust might not be quite as blind as he has long maintained.
That's because Romney placed his quarter-billion dollar family fortune
in the hands of his personal lawyer and longtime associate Bradford Malt.

Federal officeholders are required to either fully disclose all their
financial holdings and any possible conflicts of interest, or place
their holdings in a blind trust. Robert Kelner, a Republican election
lawyer in Washington, D.C. with no ties to a current presidential
campaign, explained the federal rules governing those blind trusts. "The
Office of Government Ethics requires that a financial institution be
appointed as the trustee and that the financial institution not be
controlled by or have done business with the candidate," said Kelner.
"It would preclude you from hiring your favorite lawyer as the trustee."'

<http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mitt-romneys-blind-trust-blind/story?id=15
188063>

(For Greg: sorry I let you down and wasn't the first one to respond to
this...)

'But some experts have questioned whether someone with Malt's close ties
to Romney could oversee the candidate's finances with true independence.
In addition to serving as the trustee for Romney's charitable
foundation, Malt's law firm has represented Romney's interests in legal
disputes, and Malt served as the primary outside counsel to Romney's
company, Bain Capital. A sign of those ties surfaced in August, when
Romney filed his financial disclosure report and revealed that Malt had
invested over $1 million of the candidate's money in the Solamere
Founders Fund. Solamere is managed by Tagg Romney, Mitt's son.'

Once again, Larry: facts show you up. I'm merely the messenger.

MNMikeW

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Oct 29, 2012, 12:08:32 PM10/29/12
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And just what businesses were those?

MNMikeW

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Oct 29, 2012, 12:10:42 PM10/29/12
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That was great!

bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 29, 2012, 12:32:47 PM10/29/12
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I should have been clearer. He is okay with businesses going out of
the country. If elected and doesn't change it he'll sure be helping.



From the Christian Science Monitor
"Big business is doing fine in many places," Romney said during a
campaign fundraiser Thursday. "They get the loans they need, they can
deal with all the regulation. They know how to find ways to get
through the tax code, save money by putting various things in the
places where there are low tax havens around the world for their
businesses."

That sucks.

Howard Brazee

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Oct 29, 2012, 12:44:04 PM10/29/12
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:32:47 -0500, bkn...@conramp.net wrote:

>>> What hypocrisy. Just like Romney helping businesses to go out of the
>>> country.
>>>
>>And just what businesses were those?
>
>I should have been clearer. He is okay with businesses going out of
>the country. If elected and doesn't change it he'll sure be helping.

He also believes in borrowing other people's money to do that.

MNMikeW

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Oct 29, 2012, 12:52:34 PM10/29/12
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Welcome to the global economy.

BAR

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Oct 29, 2012, 1:32:11 PM10/29/12
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In article <af7qii...@mid.individual.net>, mnmi...@aol.com says...
My company has about $8 billion in cash on hand. Pretty good cushin in
this economy. We also have a 50/50 split of sources of revenue between
US and outside the US.

BAR

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Oct 29, 2012, 1:52:47 PM10/29/12
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In article <3pbt8818h3faam1j2...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
Investors and banks tend to have the habit of loaning money to people
only if they can pay it back. Much like you do. You wouldn't loan
someone $10,000 if you had no assurance that you would be able to be
repaid.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 29, 2012, 3:00:44 PM10/29/12
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We need those jobs...and taxes.

BAR

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Oct 29, 2012, 3:11:46 PM10/29/12
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In article <ahkt8890ddvcfluc8...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
Provide a more favorable environment than the other places.

Increasing taxes drives business away.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 29, 2012, 3:13:50 PM10/29/12
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Sigh. Another hard right turn. Is it at all possible for you to
stick with the issue? It's alright with Romney that companies can use
tax havens around the world to avoid giving jobs, and taxes to the
USA. Is that ok with you?

MNMikeW

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Oct 29, 2012, 3:30:55 PM10/29/12
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Perhaps we should make it a bit more attractive to businesses here.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 29, 2012, 3:42:35 PM10/29/12
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I hope that it would be attractive to know that, as a business, you're
not hurting your country. Perhaps we should make it less attractive
to go elsewhere and get those jobs back.

BAR

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Oct 29, 2012, 4:27:47 PM10/29/12
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In article <nsmt88571km39a6t7...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
Just like people, businesses can emigrate to countries that they feel
the would be better treated or served to be in.

Increasing taxes and a workforce that is getting dumber by the day are
not attractive to businesses.



Howard Brazee

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Oct 29, 2012, 5:46:36 PM10/29/12
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:11:46 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:

>> We need those jobs...and taxes.
>
>Provide a more favorable environment than the other places.
>
>Increasing taxes drives business away.

As does decreasing government services.

BAR

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Oct 29, 2012, 5:52:38 PM10/29/12
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In article <69ut88d0nt7vh9f4u...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:11:46 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> We need those jobs...and taxes.
> >
> >Provide a more favorable environment than the other places.
> >
> >Increasing taxes drives business away.
>
> As does decreasing government services.

It frees up money that can be spent on the businesses.


Carbon

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Oct 29, 2012, 6:04:55 PM10/29/12
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Right now there is a highly educated person in India who knows your job
much better than you ever will who is willing to do it for $10/hr.

BAR

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Oct 29, 2012, 6:40:07 PM10/29/12
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In article <pan.2012.10...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
What makes you think I don't know what happens in India? We have many
many many people working for us in India. I have recently hired two
people for a new application. The people at my level in India make the
equivalent of $75,000.

William Clark

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Oct 29, 2012, 9:16:57 PM10/29/12
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In article <MPG.2af88c7e...@news.giganews.com>,
Just like they did on all those sub-prime mortgages, I suppose? Dream
on, sunshine.

BAR

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Oct 30, 2012, 7:59:57 AM10/30/12
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In article <clark-554796....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
If there was no market for the sub-prime mortgages there wouldn't have
been a problem.

William Clark

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Oct 30, 2012, 9:19:19 PM10/30/12
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In article <MPG.2af98b4b...@news.giganews.com>,
I see, so it's the buyers fault when they are defrauded by crooked
mortgage companies. How very Republican.

BAR

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Oct 31, 2012, 7:46:01 AM10/31/12
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In article <clark-B40CDA....@news.eternal-september.org>,
How did the buyers get defrauded?

William Clark

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Oct 31, 2012, 10:34:56 AM10/31/12
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In article <MPG.2afad5c0...@news.giganews.com>,
By being sold mortgages that the sellers knew they were not qualified
for, and which would be beyond their means.

MNMikeW

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Oct 31, 2012, 11:08:46 AM10/31/12
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Were they forced at gunpoint to sign the papers too?

la...@pivotforpower.com

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Oct 31, 2012, 12:02:03 PM10/31/12
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And businesses are leaving states and even the US because of unfavorable taxes and regulations. They need to earn a profit and if they can't, they do what they must. Stupid governments pass laws that force them to move, or as we see presently, to avoid hiring until the situation improves. Businesses operate on a several year planning schedule. If there is no certainty, they won't invest in equipment or people.

Romney understands that, Obama doesn't. It is amazing to me that some think a guy who has never had a job, much less been an employer or investor, would know how to create jobs.

Larry

Alan Baker

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Oct 31, 2012, 12:37:28 PM10/31/12
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In article <afct7u...@mid.individual.net>,
Just checking, Mike: do you think that the laws against loan sharking
should be revoked? I don't think they force anyone to take those loans
either...

Lloyd

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Oct 31, 2012, 12:50:54 PM10/31/12
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In article <alangbaker-7F8B5...@news.datemas.de>,
You haven't been paying attention. I see don't how a disrespectable
loan shark can compete with the banks credit card fees, payday loans,
and now the Indians with their starting at 80% interest.

Alan Baker

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Oct 31, 2012, 12:53:20 PM10/31/12
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In article
<lloydparsons-1AD8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
You have a point...

:-D

Carbon

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Oct 31, 2012, 6:23:20 PM10/31/12
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If someone sold you car and you could prove they misrepresented its
condition, you could take them to court and win.

BAR

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Oct 31, 2012, 6:44:22 PM10/31/12
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In article <clark-CFCC22....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
Somebody was buying up the loans and packaging them as investments.

The first thing I learned about buying a house was caveat emptor.

When I bought my first car, a used car, I made sure that I had enough
money to pay for the things that needed to be fixed because the dealer
hadn't fixed. them.




BAR

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Oct 31, 2012, 6:48:43 PM10/31/12
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In article <alangbaker-7F8B5...@news.datemas.de>,
alang...@telus.net says...
Have you ever heard of pay-day loans? That is legal loan sharking.

I see a commercial for this source of money on cable:
http://www.westernsky.com/

http://www.bbb.org/blog/2011/08/western-sky-financial-yes-its-expensive/

William Clark

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Oct 31, 2012, 9:19:24 PM10/31/12
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In article <MPG.2afb73cc...@news.giganews.com>,
Nice deflection. You have never heard of con artists, and the supposedly
intelligent, rational, people they take in? These sub-prime mortgage
bankers were nothing more than con artists, running a huge scam that
finally fell apart.

William Clark

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Oct 31, 2012, 9:20:13 PM10/31/12
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In article <afct7u...@mid.individual.net>,
MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:

No, they were taken for a ride by unscrupulous hustlers. Never heard of
that happening to anyone before?

William Clark

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Oct 31, 2012, 9:21:29 PM10/31/12
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In article <MPG.2afb74da...@news.giganews.com>,
Yep, and the good people of Ohio had sense enough to vote strict
controls on these weasels, in spite of vehement opposition from the GoP
and their money men.

Carbon

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Oct 31, 2012, 9:41:49 PM10/31/12
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:19:24 -0400, William Clark wrote:
> In article <MPG.2afb73cc...@news.giganews.com>, BAR
> <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>> In article <clark-CFCC22....@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>>> In article <MPG.2afad5c0...@news.giganews.com>, BAR
>>> <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>>
>>>>> I see, so it's the buyers fault when they are defrauded by crooked
>>>>> mortgage companies. How very Republican.
>>>>
>>>> How did the buyers get defrauded?
>>>
>>> By being sold mortgages that the sellers knew they were not
>>> qualified for, and which would be beyond their means.
>>
>> Somebody was buying up the loans and packaging them as investments.
>>
>> The first thing I learned about buying a house was caveat emptor.
>>
>> When I bought my first car, a used car, I made sure that I had enough
>> money to pay for the things that needed to be fixed because the
>> dealer hadn't fixed. them.
>
> Nice deflection. You have never heard of con artists, and the
> supposedly intelligent, rational, people they take in? These sub-prime
> mortgage bankers were nothing more than con artists, running a huge
> scam that finally fell apart.

Many on the far right think Barney Frank caused the housing crisis, and
by extension the entire world wide financial crisis as well.

No wonder they're so afraid of homosexuals.

BAR

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Oct 31, 2012, 10:13:33 PM10/31/12
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In article <clark-F19E92....@news.eternal-september.org>,
You have the mistaken belief that you can protect everyone from
everything.


BAR

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Oct 31, 2012, 10:14:44 PM10/31/12
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In article <clark-667A23....@news.eternal-september.org>,
Ohio must be full of stupid people.


bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 31, 2012, 10:19:26 PM10/31/12
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:14:44 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:

>In article <clark-667A23....@news.eternal-september.org>,
>cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...

>> Yep, and the good people of Ohio had sense enough to vote strict
>> controls on these weasels, in spite of vehement opposition from the GoP
>> and their money men.
>
>Ohio must be full of stupid people.
>
Do you really think it stupid to control loan sharks? Be serious.

BAR

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Oct 31, 2012, 10:33:07 PM10/31/12
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In article <2vm39852spn6lu8pl...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
Figures you have no libertarian streak.


BAR

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Oct 31, 2012, 10:33:57 PM10/31/12
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In article <clark-E6D875....@news.eternal-september.org>,
Only stupid people who couldn't afford their car payment too.


BAR

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Oct 31, 2012, 10:36:18 PM10/31/12
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"as is, where is" I knew the terms when I signed on the line.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Oct 31, 2012, 10:56:16 PM10/31/12
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It figures that you're a lame brain.

Alan Baker

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Oct 31, 2012, 11:05:42 PM10/31/12
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In article <MPG.2afb74da...@news.giganews.com>,
Failure to answer the question asked.

Don Kirkman

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Nov 1, 2012, 2:01:41 AM11/1/12
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Actually most people think it's worthwhile trying to protect some
people from some things. Nobody has a right to expect perfection in
human affairs, and nobody should be stupid enough to think it's
possible.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Alan Baker

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Nov 1, 2012, 3:17:33 AM11/1/12
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In article <MPG.2afba96d...@news.giganews.com>,
BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:

> In article <2vm39852spn6lu8pl...@4ax.com>,
> bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >
> > On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:14:44 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <clark-667A23....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> >
> > >> Yep, and the good people of Ohio had sense enough to vote strict
> > >> controls on these weasels, in spite of vehement opposition from the GoP
> > >> and their money men.
> > >
> > >Ohio must be full of stupid people.
> > >
> > Do you really think it stupid to control loan sharks? Be serious.
>
> Figures you have no libertarian streak.

I have a libertarian streak, but I wanted to examine how far Mike's
politics go.

If it's alright for a bank to offer a mortgage to someone manifestly
unfit and then take his or her home, how far is he willing to take that
philosophy?

BAR

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Nov 1, 2012, 7:33:48 AM11/1/12
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In article <alangbaker-BC889...@news.datemas.de>,
alang...@telus.net says...
>
> In article <MPG.2afba96d...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <2vm39852spn6lu8pl...@4ax.com>,
> > bkn...@conramp.net says...
> > >
> > > On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:14:44 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <clark-667A23....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > >cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > >
> > > >> Yep, and the good people of Ohio had sense enough to vote strict
> > > >> controls on these weasels, in spite of vehement opposition from the GoP
> > > >> and their money men.
> > > >
> > > >Ohio must be full of stupid people.
> > > >
> > > Do you really think it stupid to control loan sharks? Be serious.
> >
> > Figures you have no libertarian streak.
>
> I have a libertarian streak, but I wanted to examine how far Mike's
> politics go.

"Examine how far Mike's politics go," what does that mean? Don't you
mean you want to catch him make a "gotcha" and then pounce on it.

> If it's alright for a bank to offer a mortgage to someone manifestly
> unfit and then take his or her home, how far is he willing to take that
> philosophy?

There is no difference between a bank lending money for a car or for a
home. The banks don't set out to grant loans with the explicit purpose
of foreclosing or repossession as the end result. Most banks sell the
mortgages to investors while retaining the loan service portion of the
transaction. One time when I refinanced the last piece of paper we
signed was to acknowledge that our mortgage had been sold. They had sold
the loan prior to us closing on the financing. Then the mortgage was
sold again two months later.

I don't expect you to understand any of this because you are living off
of your trust fund.


William Clark

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Nov 1, 2012, 10:39:37 AM11/1/12
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In article <MPG.2afba4d...@news.giganews.com>,
No, just a belief that you should try to protect people from those
trying to prey on them.

William Clark

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Nov 1, 2012, 10:40:46 AM11/1/12
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In article <afct7u...@mid.individual.net>,
MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:

Irrelevant - if people don't realize they are being duped by clever con
men, then there is no coercion involved.

William Clark

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Nov 1, 2012, 10:41:55 AM11/1/12
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In article <MPG.2afba9a2...@news.giganews.com>,
Plenty of people you would not call "stupid" have been taken in by
smooth con artists. Bernie Madoff on line 1.

William Clark

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Nov 1, 2012, 10:42:33 AM11/1/12
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In article <MPG.2afbaa2d...@news.giganews.com>,
BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:

> In article <pan.2012.10...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >
> > On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:08:46 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> > > William Clark wrote:
> > >> In article <MPG.2afad5c0...@news.giganews.com>, BAR
> > >> <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > >>> In article <clark-B40CDA....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >>> cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > >>>> In article <MPG.2af98b4b...@news.giganews.com>, BAR
> > >>>> <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> If there was no market for the sub-prime mortgages there wouldn't
> > >>>>> have been a problem.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I see, so it's the buyers fault when they are defrauded by crooked
> > >>>> mortgage companies. How very Republican.
> > >>>
> > >>> How did the buyers get defrauded?
> > >>
> > >> By being sold mortgages that the sellers knew they were not qualified
> > >> for, and which would be beyond their means.
> > >
> > > Were they forced at gunpoint to sign the papers too?
> >
> > If someone sold you car and you could prove they misrepresented its
> > condition, you could take them to court and win.
>
> "as is, where is" I knew the terms when I signed on the line.

So how did Madoff make his billions?

William Clark

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Nov 1, 2012, 10:43:46 AM11/1/12
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In article <MPG.2afba51a...@news.giganews.com>,
How many rabid Republicans did Bernie Madoff con? They are stupid, too.

MNMikeW

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Nov 1, 2012, 10:49:52 AM11/1/12
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He certainly had a hand in it.

> No wonder they're so afraid of homosexuals.
>
Typical idiotic liberal platitude.

MNMikeW

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Nov 1, 2012, 10:53:12 AM11/1/12
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BAR wrote:
> In article <alangbaker-BC889...@news.datemas.de>,
> alang...@telus.net says...
>>
>> In article <MPG.2afba96d...@news.giganews.com>,
>> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <2vm39852spn6lu8pl...@4ax.com>,
>>> bkn...@conramp.net says...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:14:44 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <clark-667A23....@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>> cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, and the good people of Ohio had sense enough to vote strict
>>>>>> controls on these weasels, in spite of vehement opposition from the GoP
>>>>>> and their money men.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ohio must be full of stupid people.
>>>>>
>>>> Do you really think it stupid to control loan sharks? Be serious.
>>>
>>> Figures you have no libertarian streak.
>>
>> I have a libertarian streak, but I wanted to examine how far Mike's
>> politics go.
>
> "Examine how far Mike's politics go," what does that mean? Don't you
> mean you want to catch him make a "gotcha" and then pounce on it.

What is that stupid DC ranting about now?

MNMikeW

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Nov 1, 2012, 10:54:47 AM11/1/12
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The conditions of a loan are usually represented quite well. Unlike a
possible bad band in a transmission.

MNMikeW

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Nov 1, 2012, 10:56:20 AM11/1/12
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Probably happened to you. That would explain your bitterness. ;-)

Alan Baker

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Nov 1, 2012, 11:50:28 AM11/1/12
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In article <MPG.2afc2823...@news.giganews.com>,
LOL

Is that going to be the claim this week?

My clients will be surprised to know it.

MNMikeW

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Nov 1, 2012, 12:32:31 PM11/1/12
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That is a far different thing than signing off on a loan you can't afford.

Carbon

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Nov 1, 2012, 6:43:14 PM11/1/12
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The last mortgage I signed had something like 29 pages of small print.
Since I don't have the law degree or the time to decipher all the
legalese, I didn't even bother trying.

And you didn't read yours either.

BAR

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Nov 1, 2012, 6:44:34 PM11/1/12
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In article <clark-48A06F....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
I think the vast majority who invested with Madoff were stupid liberals.
Intelligent people knew that Madoff's ROI's were way out of whack.

BAR

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Nov 1, 2012, 6:46:04 PM11/1/12
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In article <clark-6B2C2D....@news.eternal-september.org>,
Like liberal educators trying to indoctrinate their students into
liberalism.

BAR

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Nov 1, 2012, 6:46:45 PM11/1/12
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In article <clark-A9C04C....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
Were you one of them? You sound like you are trying to justify your
stupidity.


BAR

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Nov 1, 2012, 6:48:15 PM11/1/12
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In article <clark-E950C8....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
Wealth people who were greedy. Low net worth people weren't worth
Madoff's time.

BAR

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Nov 1, 2012, 6:48:55 PM11/1/12
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In article <clark-947375....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
Again, it sounds like you are trying to justify your stupidity.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Nov 1, 2012, 6:49:31 PM11/1/12
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You "think"? "Vast majority"? Try finding any proof of that.
So now there are no intelligent people who happen to be liberal
thinkers? Statements like this are what have made you the target of
so many here.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Nov 1, 2012, 6:51:16 PM11/1/12
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Please try to justify yours. That would really be amusing.

Carbon

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Nov 1, 2012, 6:52:22 PM11/1/12
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:49:52 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> Carbon wrote:
>
>> Many on the far right think Barney Frank caused the housing crisis,
>> and by extension the entire world wide financial crisis as well.
>
> He certainly had a hand in it.

How do you imagine that?
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