Bubble Shaft- good or not?
Raiden
been hearing rave reviews in just about every magazine
I have read on the shaft. Would someone please tell me
their opinion on the club as I am considering purchasing
the 9.0 degree Tour Driver. I am a collegiate player so this
is an extremely important aspect of my game. If at all possible
I could really use some feed back on what type of shaft(i.e. s-90
t-100, r-80, etc.) you are using and what type of swing
characteristics you have. Thanks for any helpful information.
You can e-mail me if you prefer.
kat...@cris.com
While I hesitate to make such a statement, I have to say DO NOT get
the 9.0 Tour. I don't see how anyone can hit that head.
Depending on your swing speed/tempo, I'd recommend the S90+ 9.5 or
the TS100+ 9.5. I originally had the S90+ but hooked it too often with
my 111mph swing speed. The TS100+ is *perfect* for my swing. Try them
both before you buy.
Swing info: I'm a 5.9 index and I play the ball right to left. While
I now have a hard time turning it over with the TS100 shaft, I'm quite
happy watching the ball take off straight...it's much nicer to look at
than the swinging hooks I was hitting with the S90. If I need a hard
right to left shot, I hit 3W.
Hope this helps.
Ric
Scott McClellan
: In article <446vf3$d...@news.tamu.edu> do...@want.no.mail (Raiden) writes:
: >their opinion on the club as I am considering purchasing
: >the 9.0 degree Tour Driver. I am a collegiate player so this
: >is an extremely important aspect of my game. If at all possible
: >I could really use some feed back on what type of shaft(i.e. s-90
: >t-100, r-80, etc.) you are using and what type of swing
: The Tour Driver does NOT come in the S-80 (regular) flex. It is usually in
: the S-90 flex though I have yet to see one in the S-100 flex. The 9.5'
: driver does comes in the S-80 flex.
The Tour Drive *DOES* come in S-100+ flex. Just 'cause you haven't seen
one, doesn't mean that one doesn't exist!
: If you hook your drives a lot, you may be able to temper them with the
: Bubble.
: If you slice a lot, the Bubble can compound it.
I don't know where this came from, but I basically don't think it is sound
logic. I cannot see any reason why the Bubble shaft per se would be
responsible for either a hook or a slice. If the Bubble is too stiff
for you it may exagerate your slice (and vice versa if too flexible), but
that is a property of all shafts, not just the Bubble.
The 9.0 degree Tour Driver is a great club, the Bubble shaft is a great
shaft. Don't listen to anybody on the Internet who is making blanket
statements, hit the thing for yourself and then make up your own mind.
Jon Costa
Gerardo P. Fragante <frag...@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote:
>In article <446vf3$d...@news.tamu.edu> do...@want.no.mail (Raiden) writes:
>
>>their opinion on the club as I am considering purchasing
>>the 9.0 degree Tour Driver. I am a collegiate player so this
>>is an extremely important aspect of my game. If at all possible
>>I could really use some feed back on what type of shaft(i.e. s-90
>>t-100, r-80, etc.) you are using and what type of swing
>
>The Tour Driver does NOT come in the S-80 (regular) flex. It is usually in the
>S-90 flex though I have yet to see one in the S-100 flex. The 9.5' driver does
>comes in the S-80 flex.
>
>If you slice a lot, the Bubble can compound it.
The Bubble is just a different slant on graphite shaft design, I don't see
how it could exaggerate a slice more than any other driver. Typically, most
experience straightened out drives, of course, your mileage may vary.
I have the stiff (s-90) 9.5 driver and the 3,5 fairway metals. Personally
I think they're great clubs, I absolutely love the distance and accuracy
of my 3 wood off the tee. The driver is straight for me, but less
predictable in the push/pull areas of accuracy.
But ultimately I can only convey my experience, my suggestion is try as many
drivers as possible and settle on the one _you_ like best.
-- Jon
Gerardo P. Fragante
>The Tour Drive *DOES* come in S-100+ flex. Just 'cause you haven't seen
>one, doesn't mean that one doesn't exist!
Getting obnoxious now, aren't you? I do *know* that the Tour driver does
come in the S-100+ - I have seen it in the magazines! I just haven't seen one
YET only because the stores around here didn't stock it. Now do you understand
the difference between knowing and seeing?
Next time, if you are going to argue back - stick to the issue and don't
redirect it into a personal attack. Besides, you read me wrong in the first
place so your attack was totally unwarranted and plain stupid.
>I don't know where this came from, but I basically don't think it is sound
>logic. I cannot see any reason why the Bubble shaft per se would be
>responsible for either a hook or a slice. If the Bubble is too stiff
>for you it may exagerate your slice (and vice versa if too flexible), but
>that is a property of all shafts, not just the Bubble.
I agree with you that it isn't clear whether the Bubble promotes a hook or
slice. But it has happened to me and a few of my friends. And we didn't just
demo it at the range, we actually played some rounds with it. These friends of
mine and I play S-flex graphite drivers and we all draw the ball more than
fade it.
I speak from a practical point of view, not a theoretical one that does not
always explain why things happen.
>The 9.0 degree Tour Driver is a great club, the Bubble shaft is a great
>shaft. Don't listen to anybody on the Internet who is making blanket
>statements, hit the thing for yourself and then make up your own mind.
Listen to yourself, will you?! Even the statement you made above is a blanket
statement. Where are your facts?! And based on your own premise, why should he
even listen to you?
And your next suggestion is totally inappropriate to the original poster's
question - HE ASKED FOR OPINIONS! So don't go telling him to figure it out
himself. You can't seem to grasp what people are saying - what an ass. And you
are ruining this thread's purpose by peppering other people's opinions with
your own pessimistic and biased bullshit.
So look, if you own a Tour 9.0 Driver and are extremely happy with it - then
tell that to the original poster! Help him. Give him what he's asking for.
Heck, you could even be more convincing to him than I am. But to belittle
other people'sopinion just because you disagree IS NOT CONTRIBUTING TO
ANYTHING. Is that what you want?
And before you tell me to stick to the issue, I am. The issue is YOU!
Chris Rockwell
I've been playing the 10.5 TS100 Bubble for about 6 months now.
I think its a great club. I don't hit it any farther than my Taylor
Made Strong One (very old) but I hit it alot more consistently.
At first I was worried that it had too much loft. I'm not really
hurting for distance so it hasn't been a problem off the tee. It
also has the benefit of being _awesome_ off the fairway.
There are a few bad swings in the club for me. The worst is a push
slice that gets exaggerated by the graphite shaft. But most of that
problem is in the swing (go figure). Great club. I'd recommend it
to anyone.
Chris
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Raiden
>
>I have never hit the Taylor Made Bubble shaft but I have
>been hearing rave reviews in just about every magazine
>I have read on the shaft. Would someone please tell me
>the 9.0 degree Tour Driver. I am a collegiate player so this
>is an extremely important aspect of my game. If at all possible
>I could really use some feed back on what type of shaft(i.e. s-90
>t-100, r-80, etc.) you are using and what type of swing
>You can e-mail me if you prefer.
>
>
>Mark
>mtt...@acs.tamu.edu
>
Dana J. Dawson
>been hearing rave reviews in just about every magazine
>I have read on the shaft. Would someone please tell me
>their opinion on the club as I am considering purchasing
>the 9.0 degree Tour Driver. I am a collegiate player so this
>is an extremely important aspect of my game. If at all possible
>I could really use some feed back on what type of shaft(i.e. s-90
>t-100, r-80, etc.) you are using and what type of swing
>characteristics you have. Thanks for any helpful information.
The one big difference between the 9.0 and the 9.5 drivers is the
size of the head (it's smaller on the 9.0). If you don't care for
over-sized heads, go for the 9.0. The Bubbles tend to hit the ball
a little higher than usual, so I wouldn't worry too much about 9.0
being too little loft (especially for a young, strong college player).
The grip-end of the club is noticeably lighter than other clubs, and
they do have a nice feel when you swing them. It shouldn't be too
tough to find someone who'll let you hit theirs, since there seems to
be a lot of them around. I'd say give one a try and see how you like
it. I love mine, but I'm just an average swinging mid-handicapper
(though I do get an occasional 290+ yard poke). My previous driver
was a Titleist Pro-Trajectory graphite 9.5 and the Bubble is longer,
straighter, and more solid (I have the 9.5 Bubble with the S-90 shaft).
My average distance is probably around 250 - 260.
Dana J. Dawson
da...@acs.uswest.com
Eb Crumpler iv
really works i knocked the bejeezus out of the ball and did not slice any
worse than usual possibly a little less i hope to get one of these for
christmas it is well worth the money
eb
Gail Weston
LO LEFT, RIGHT. NOT FOR THE GOOD PLAYER.
Paul Archambault
YOU CAN HIT THE SWEET-SPOT OR EVEN ANYWHERE NEAR IT THE BALL GOES A MILE
AND A HALF. I'VE NEVER HIT THE BALL SO FAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR
TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE BALL FLIGHT IS INCONSISTENT WHEN YOUR
A GOOD GOLFER. YOU MUST NOT BE AS GOOD AS YOU THINK BECAUSE I HIT IT
CONSISTENTLY AND SO DO THE PROS!
1lorenpa@uvsc.edu paul lorentzen
1lorenpa@uvsc.edu paul lorentzen
Mark Koenig
: >
: > I can hit my son's Kroyden junior set Driver further and straighter than you and most pros hit the bubble!
Here we go again. Ok, Paul, you are by far the longest hitter any of us
have never seen. :-)
BTW, hit the return key before column 80, it helps straighten out your posts,
although it does shorten the line length...
Good Putting!
Mark
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Application Specialist, Technical Marketing
Convex Computer Corporation
Richardson, Texas
Ettore Casati Jr.
(Gail Weston) wrote:
> i dont think you get A CONSISTENT BALL FLIGHT WHEN YOU HIT THE BUBBLE. HI,
> LO LEFT, RIGHT. NOT FOR THE GOOD PLAYER.
-Yes ,you do.i own a set of 3 woods taylor bubble and after trying many
different other companies ie:cobra,ping,callaway ect and i think that the
bubble are the most forgiving and very consistant.the only other
suggestion i would give you is to check your swing speed and then choose
the appropriate stiffness of shaft.
good luck! Hit fairways and make putts...
Michael O'Shea
In response to the following,
>> i dont think you get A CONSISTENT BALL FLIGHT WHEN YOU HIT THE BUBBLE. HI,
>> LO LEFT, RIGHT. NOT FOR THE GOOD PLAYER.
>-Yes ,you do.i own a set of 3 woods taylor bubble and after trying many
>different other companies ie:cobra,ping,callaway ect and i think that the
>bubble are the most forgiving and very consistant.the only other
>suggestion i would give you is to check your swing speed and then choose
>the appropriate stiffness of shaft.
I am a 9 handicapper with a 9.5 deg bubble with the S90+ shaft and find
that I do not hit the ball any longer with this compared to my old
driver, but they certainly go a lot straighter. I find a fade easy to
hit but a draw very difficult indeed. Off centre hits produce reasonably
straight results with a little lost distance. I would certainly
recommend them!!!!!!
Craig S. Steinberg, O.D., J.D.
Speaking from the low handicap perspective, I find the
Bubble to be unacceptable. I am unable to hit it right to
left at all, and I simply must be able to do this on demand
(#3 at Pebble, for example). I have discussed the Bubble
with a number of real good players (including US Am Champs,
etc.) and NONE are using it - and all have tried it.
Craig
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Michael Brostrom
: Michael O'Shea <michae...@anu.edu.au> wrote:
: >In response to the following,
: >>> i dont think you get A CONSISTENT BALL FLIGHT WHEN YOU HIT THE BUBBLE. HI,
: >>> LO LEFT, RIGHT. NOT FOR THE GOOD PLAYER.
: >>-Yes ,you do.i own a set of 3 woods taylor bubble and after trying many
: >>different other companies ie:cobra,ping,callaway ect and i think that the
: >>bubble are the most forgiving and very consistant.the only other
: >>suggestion i would give you is to check your swing speed and then choose
: >>the appropriate stiffness of shaft.
: >I am a 9 handicapper with a 9.5 deg bubble with the S90+ shaft and find
: >that I do not hit the ball any longer with this compared to my old
: >driver, but they certainly go a lot straighter. I find a fade easy to
: >hit but a draw very difficult indeed. Off centre hits produce reasonably
: >straight results with a little lost distance. I would certainly
: >recommend them!!!!!!
: Speaking from the low handicap perspective, I find the
: Bubble to be unacceptable. I am unable to hit it right to
: left at all, and I simply must be able to do this on demand
: (#3 at Pebble, for example). I have discussed the Bubble
: with a number of real good players (including US Am Champs,
: etc.) and NONE are using it - and all have tried it.
: Craig
Hey Craig, I don't know if you could catch any part of the Toyota World
Matchplay, but I saw Ernie Els hit several brilliant shots (including
some right-to-left) with the Bubble. Even *I* can do that (and I'm just
a twelve handicapper... What do you really mean?
Michael
--
On the Internet no one can tell if you are a dog.
Woof. Damn, what a giveaway.
Jim Weeks
Steinberg, O.D., J.D.) writes:
>
>Speaking from the low handicap perspective, I find the
>Bubble to be unacceptable. I am unable to hit it right to
>left at all, and I simply must be able to do this on demand
>(#3 at Pebble, for example). I have discussed the Bubble
>with a number of real good players (including US Am Champs,
>etc.) and NONE are using it - and all have tried it.
>
>Craig
>
Hmmm...speaking from another low handicap perspective, what ever the
hell that is. I have had no trouble at all moving the ball from right
to left since going to the Bubble earlier in the year.. of course, I
have an actual measured swing speed of 97mph +/- 2.. and went with the
S90+ shaft..I suspect that had I gone with the 100+ shaft, I might
expect some difficulty in finishing through the ball...ala.. not being
able to draw it.... All the technology in the world won't help if you
are using the wrong stuff... Is It acceptable to me, Yes.. Your mileage
may vary.
Jim Weeks
rma...@ibm.net
>I can't speak from personal experience but this weekend I'm
>marshalling at the Ralph's Senior Open in L.A. Among the seniors, two
>drivers predominate. Great Big Bertha is used by the largest number
>but Taylormade's Bubble Shaft is next in line.
I use Taylor midsize woods and love them. My partner just switched to
the bubble shaft and loves them. On the whole He hits staighter less wild
shots than with big bertha. He has a big bertha but had trouble controlling
it. Not a problem with the bubble shaft. If I hadn't the money already invested
in my midsize I'd buy the bubble shaft.
Julian Shles
drive. It is very forgiving, and easy to hit. A slow swing is a must.
David Ciminelli
shaft gives more control for draws and fades. It's easier to work with
and sets up nicely to the ball. As a matter of distance from the tee, I
have played against low handicap players and hit the 5 wood as far off
the tee as some competitive drivers!
-
DAVID CIMINELLI JHX...@prodigy.com
Steven Seely
degree, extra stiff shaft Bubble driver. It is easily the best driver I
have ever hit. It is straighter, a few yds longer, and has a better
trajectory than my previus sets of Taylor woods. I played with it one
round, came into the pro shop and ordered the 3 wood. I cant say enough
good about the burner bubble. It definitely requires a smooth, slow sing-
which has helped my iron play. Just got back from a week in SC and played
the gold tees all week in the rain. Bubble kept me in f'way, and with
plenty of distance.
Craig S. Steinberg, O.D., J.D.
>I can't speak from personal experience but this weekend I'm
>marshalling at the Ralph's Senior Open in L.A. Among the seniors, two
>drivers predominate. Great Big Bertha is used by the largest number
>but Taylormade's Bubble Shaft is next in line.
>I can't afford either.
>Dennis Broderick d...@earthlink.net
I spent 2 of the last 3 days at Wilshire CC watching the
pros, my own teacher in particular (Chuck Montalbano). I was
on the range, on the course, in the players lounge, and in
the locker room. I spoke with JC Snead, Chuck (of course),
Jimmy Jones, Bobby Mitchell, and Gibby Gilbert. In all this,
I can't recall seeing a Bubble shaft! That is not to say
they aren't out there - I'm certain they are. But I'd be
surprised if they predominate.
As a second point, I put little faith into wbat the tour
players use. For the right amount they would play with a
stick and a ping pong ball! Taylor pays the guys quite
nicely indeed to play their equipment (as does most
everybody else). Furthermore, the shafts they are using are
hand selected by extensive trial and error. By that I mean
that the player goes down to Taylor Made and trys club after
club until he finds one he likes. Same with Calloway. This
does not provide the randomness we experience when we buy
clubs in a shop. I know personally of one senior tour player
that is currently trying Big Bertha woods and irons to see
if he will sign with them. He has had 3 sets in two weeks,
and spent 6 hours at the Calloway range testing with them.
I think its great that some of you are happy with the
Bubble. But I stand by my opinion that it is not the club it
is made out to be. I can tell you this. I recently bought a
9.5 degree 90+ Bubble (thinking the 100+ might be too stiff
for me). When I tried it I hit it poorly. I asked a busy
shop if I could trade it for a Calloway, either even money
or for at least some credit. He said no way. He'd give me a
Taylor for a Big Bertha, but no way the other way around.
Craig
P.S. Anybody want to buy a nearly brand new 9.5 90+ Bubble
driver?
Steven B. Hicks
|> David Shields (YVQ...@prodigy.com) wrote:
|> : I LOVE my new bubbles! I am a 2 hndcp and find that with the s-90 I can
|> : draw the ball fine, but what I really like is the spoon. It flies! I'm
|> : going back to pick up a 5 wood and retire my 2 iron. It's also the
|> : prettiest club out there and when you look good, you play good!
|>
|> Hi!
|>
|> My younger brother (15, Hcp 2) wants to buy a bubble.
|> His questions: Is anybody playing with the s-100+ shaft and 9.5 loft??
|> Is it playable?
|>
|> What are the average prices in USA? Here it's around US$ 450.-
|>
|> Thanks
|>
|> ******************************************************************************
I have the bubble s-100+ shaft and 9.5 loft with a 4 Hcp and find it one of
the best. I have no trouble working the ball left to right or right to left.
I had the Warbird but I gave it to my father as a present.
Jon Costa
Craig S. Steinberg, O.D., J.D. <doc...@valleynet.net> wrote:
>
>[Snipage]
>
>I think its great that some of you are happy with the
>Bubble. But I stand by my opinion that it is not the club it
>[Snipage]
Point taken Craig. But, OTOH, show me any club and I'll show you someone
who thinks it's the best club ever made and will take countless strokes off
your game. But then for the same club I could produce someone who thinks it
stinks and wouldn't use it to hoe their garden.
Anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal. Because you weren't able to
experience the ability of working the ball with a Bubble, either yourself
or anyone you know, doesn't mean the club is flawed and no one can.
I do agree, however, that a bubble shaft is not a panacea, no club is. If
someone expects to buy the "Great big whale bubble with a titanium head"
and have it cure their swing flaws, they're in for a big disappointment.
Having said that, I think that anyone in the market for driver/fairway metals
owes it to themselves to try the bubble. Personally, I would recommend that
they hit enough to really see how their average drive would be and then come
back the next day to see if it was a fluke. Then, after doing this with
multiple manufacturers, make the choice that suits their current swing/style/
tastes.
-- Jon
guy
Julian Shles <JDN...@prodigy.com> wrote:
>I purchased a set of Burner Bubbles, and gained approx. 50 yards on my
>drive. It is very forgiving, and easy to hit. A slow swing is a must.
>
Julian,
It's hard for me to accept this without questions. What were you
using before, what were your avg. distances & F/R? And now?
Do you have any ideas, beyond "a slow swing" why this club
works for you? Is it your "grooved" swing; how good a golfer
are you? Which "speed" Bubble did you get, do you know the
flex of your previous driver, or your driver swing speed?
I'm delighted that you seem to have found a club that gives
you "50" more yards off the tee, but it seems to me you
may have been seriously mismatched to pre-bubble driver.
I may just be "rising to the bait," but I think some
qualifications would be helpful, IMHO.
--Coops
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