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la...@pivotforpower.com
Oct 3, 2012, 2:09:50 PM10/3/12
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This was Ron Sisson's audition to The Golf Channel to become a staff instructor. I hope they selected him. What he teaches is the essence of Ernest Jones' original "Swing the Clubhead" method from the 40s. It was only the most popular golf swing teaching method in the world for 20+ years, with heavy metal shafts and tiny forged blades and dead balls. Even women learned to play and have fun with this method---using clubs that every golfer we know would consider to be impossible today!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w00dSxmFaw&feature=relmfu
And this was essentially my first lesson from Gary Sowinski at Morgan Run. Gary just missed (with less than great putting) qualifying for the Champion Tour. He was likely the best golfer in the San Diego area for several years.
As I have recently started every practice session with Hogan's half-swing drill, I have realized the effectiveness of a relaxed yet connected turn back and through. Hogan suggested that every golfer, even pros, do that drill 10 minutes every day. I have talked to several teaching pros who say they do that!
And when I start my practice session doing that and then hit balls doing that, I see consistent distance and direction, crisp contact and good distance with NO EFFORT from hand or arm action.
Larry
Alan Baker
Oct 3, 2012, 2:22:38 PM10/3/12
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In article <68efc4f9-a8d0-4125...@googlegroups.com>,
And the circle closes another time!
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
la...@pivotforpower.com
Oct 6, 2012, 7:37:24 PM10/6/12
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On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:09:51 AM UTC-7, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> This was Ron Sisson's audition to The Golf Channel to become a staff instructor. I hope they selected him. What he teaches is the essence of Ernest Jones' original "Swing the Clubhead" method from the 40s. It was only the most popular golf swing teaching method in the world for 20+ years, with heavy metal shafts and tiny forged blades and dead balls. Even women learned to play and have fun with this method---using clubs that every golfer we know would consider to be impossible today! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w00dSxmFaw&feature=relmfu And this was essentially my first lesson from Gary Sowinski at Morgan Run. Gary just missed (with less than great putting) qualifying for the Champion Tour. He was likely the best golfer in the San Diego area for several years. As I have recently started every practice session with Hogan's half-swing drill, I have realized the effectiveness of a relaxed yet connected turn back and through. Hogan suggested that every golfer, even pros, do that drill 10 minutes every day. I have talked to several teaching pros who say they do that! And when I start my practice session doing that and then hit balls doing that, I see consistent distance and direction, crisp contact and good distance with NO EFFORT from hand or arm action. Larry
Well, I was wrong. This is not the real world and essentially nobody can hit fairways and greens with so little attention to detail. It would be just blind luck each time we hit it straight because our fundamentals would be so poor most swings.
> This was Ron Sisson's audition to The Golf Channel to become a staff instructor. I hope they selected him. What he teaches is the essence of Ernest Jones' original "Swing the Clubhead" method from the 40s. It was only the most popular golf swing teaching method in the world for 20+ years, with heavy metal shafts and tiny forged blades and dead balls. Even women learned to play and have fun with this method---using clubs that every golfer we know would consider to be impossible today! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w00dSxmFaw&feature=relmfu And this was essentially my first lesson from Gary Sowinski at Morgan Run. Gary just missed (with less than great putting) qualifying for the Champion Tour. He was likely the best golfer in the San Diego area for several years. As I have recently started every practice session with Hogan's half-swing drill, I have realized the effectiveness of a relaxed yet connected turn back and through. Hogan suggested that every golfer, even pros, do that drill 10 minutes every day. I have talked to several teaching pros who say they do that! And when I start my practice session doing that and then hit balls doing that, I see consistent distance and direction, crisp contact and good distance with NO EFFORT from hand or arm action. Larry
THE answer to low handicap consistency is to develop a repeating fundamentally correct golf swing so you can hit ALL the fairway with sufficient distance for the tees you play and then hit the greens from the middle of the fairway where you will find your ball. Realistically, if you want to get this done in this lifetime, you should enroll in a series of lessons and then do your homework like you did in your toughest college course. Apply yourself! Take the lesson and then go away and learn the skill doing the drills. Return and do it again.
I started golf at age 60. I lost quite a bit of time flailing around hoping that each new method I read about or saw on TV would be a shortcut--I was attracted to that guy's "Swing the Clubhead" imitation for about a day, until my teaching pro burst that bubble. He showed me my awful top position and predicted that if I played a course doing that I would be up in the treeline and tramping through the deep rough several times each round, AGAIN, basically no progress.
So let me repeat. The answer is solid fundamentals. Learn to backswing to a correct top position and you will downswing on plane from there. Learning that backswing will entail a good grip, a good setup, and a synchronized backswing that puts you in the top position that is your personal "trigger." When you find it, most likely with the help of a good teaching pro, you will automatically start with hips, NOT SHOULDERS and you will bring it down on or below the plane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v..
I continue to work with my teaching pro to take up to a good top position. He says and I agree that from there it is almost difficult to fail to make a nice downswing accelerating the clubhead through impact, shifting weight, etc. is automatic.
But most amateurs fail to get it into such a top position and so we struggle. The wrong top position does NOT trigger the correct downswing sequence and we start with shoulders, poor weight shift, and other faults. We do that a few times and then we start inventing fixes, compensations, little handsy things to stop the slice or hook, etc. This is the origin of the "WOOD" thing that happens as we try to fix ourselves, "Worked only one day!" Because those little fixes never work again. But the fault was always the poor backswing top position.
Teaching pros know all about this. I believe they really do want to help us, but we need to be good students and do exactly what they recommend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xcy-utt17s&feature=plcp
This is not pro quality, but this swing is good enough for low single digit handicap golf, fairways and greens. Not bad for a 71 year old who has been playing golf only 11 years. If I can do it, you can do it. Just don't waste time and effort trying to teach yourself. Every bad swing you make is ingraining something that must later be unlearned.
Larry
Carbon
Oct 6, 2012, 8:43:03 PM10/6/12
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 16:37:24 -0700, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> I started golf at age 60. I lost quite a bit of time flailing around
> hoping that each new method I read about or saw on TV would be a
> shortcut--
And this is different from now, how exactly?
> I started golf at age 60. I lost quite a bit of time flailing around
> hoping that each new method I read about or saw on TV would be a
> shortcut--
Alan Baker
Oct 6, 2012, 11:41:36 PM10/6/12
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In article <eb3447ab-643c-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
> This is not the real world and essentially nobody can hit
> fairways and greens with so little attention to detail. It would be just
> blind luck each time we hit it straight because our fundamentals would be so
> poor most swings.
>
> THE answer to low handicap consistency is to develop a repeating
> fundamentally correct golf swing so you can hit ALL the fairway with
> sufficient distance for the tees you play and then hit the greens from the
> middle of the fairway where you will find your ball. Realistically, if you
And then you're right back to pretending to know it all.
> want to get this done in this lifetime, you should enroll in a series of
> lessons and then do your homework like you did in your toughest college
> course. Apply yourself! Take the lesson and then go away and learn the
> skill doing the drills. Return and do it again.
>
> I started golf at age 60. I lost quite a bit of time flailing around hoping
> that each new method I read about or saw on TV would be a shortcut--I was
> attracted to that guy's "Swing the Clubhead" imitation for about a day, until
> my teaching pro burst that bubble. He showed me my awful top position and
> predicted that if I played a course doing that I would be up in the treeline
> and tramping through the deep rough several times each round, AGAIN,
> basically no progress.
But yesterday, "Swing the Clubhead" was terrific?
>
> So let me repeat. The answer is solid fundamentals. Learn to backswing to a
> correct top position and you will downswing on plane from there. Learning
> that backswing will entail a good grip, a good setup, and a synchronized
> backswing that puts you in the top position that is your personal "trigger."
> When you find it, most likely with the help of a good teaching pro, you will
> automatically start with hips, NOT SHOULDERS and you will bring it down on or
> below the plane.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v..
>
> I continue to work with my teaching pro to take up to a good top position. He
> says and I agree that from there it is almost difficult to fail to make a
> nice downswing accelerating the clubhead through impact, shifting weight,
> etc. is automatic.
>
> But most amateurs fail to get it into such a top position and so we struggle.
> The wrong top position does NOT trigger the correct downswing sequence and we
> start with shoulders, poor weight shift, and other faults. We do that a few
> times and then we start inventing fixes, compensations, little handsy things
> to stop the slice or hook, etc. This is the origin of the "WOOD" thing that
> happens as we try to fix ourselves, "Worked only one day!" Because those
> little fixes never work again. But the fault was always the poor backswing
> top position.
>
> Teaching pros know all about this. I believe they really do want to help us,
> but we need to be good students and do exactly what they recommend.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xcy-utt17s&feature=plcp
>
> This is not pro quality,
The first honest thing you've ever said. Understatement, but at least
honest.
> but this swing is good enough for low single digit
> handicap golf, fairways and greens. Not bad for a 71 year old who has been
> playing golf only 11 years. If I can do it, you can do it. Just don't waste
Except that you sang the tune that you were hitting fairways and greens
and had a single digit handicap...
...8 YEARS AGO!
> time and effort trying to teach yourself. Every bad swing you make is
> ingraining something that must later be unlearned.
>
> Larry
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:09:51 AM UTC-7, la...@pivotforpower.com
> wrote:
> > This was Ron Sisson's audition to The Golf Channel to become a staff
> > instructor. I hope they selected him. What he teaches is the essence of
> > Ernest Jones' original "Swing the Clubhead" method from the 40s. It was
> > only the most popular golf swing teaching method in the world for 20+
> > years, with heavy metal shafts and tiny forged blades and dead balls. Even
> > women learned to play and have fun with this method---using clubs that
> > every golfer we know would consider to be impossible today!
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w00dSxmFaw&feature=relmfu And this was
> > essentially my first lesson from Gary Sowinski at Morgan Run. Gary just
> > missed (with less than great putting) qualifying for the Champion Tour. He
> > was likely the best golfer in the San Diego area for several years. As I
> > have recently started every practice session with Hogan's half-swing drill,
> > I have realized the effectiveness of a relaxed yet connected turn back and
> > through. Hogan suggested that every golfer, even pros, do that drill 10
> > minutes every day. I have talked to several teaching pros who say they do
> > that! And when I start my practice session doing that and then hit balls
> > doing that, I see consistent distance and direction, crisp contact and good
> > distance with NO EFFORT from hand or arm action. Larry
>
> Well, I was wrong.
Well, this is a first.
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:09:51 AM UTC-7, la...@pivotforpower.com
> wrote:
> > This was Ron Sisson's audition to The Golf Channel to become a staff
> > instructor. I hope they selected him. What he teaches is the essence of
> > Ernest Jones' original "Swing the Clubhead" method from the 40s. It was
> > only the most popular golf swing teaching method in the world for 20+
> > years, with heavy metal shafts and tiny forged blades and dead balls. Even
> > women learned to play and have fun with this method---using clubs that
> > every golfer we know would consider to be impossible today!
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w00dSxmFaw&feature=relmfu And this was
> > essentially my first lesson from Gary Sowinski at Morgan Run. Gary just
> > missed (with less than great putting) qualifying for the Champion Tour. He
> > was likely the best golfer in the San Diego area for several years. As I
> > have recently started every practice session with Hogan's half-swing drill,
> > I have realized the effectiveness of a relaxed yet connected turn back and
> > through. Hogan suggested that every golfer, even pros, do that drill 10
> > minutes every day. I have talked to several teaching pros who say they do
> > that! And when I start my practice session doing that and then hit balls
> > doing that, I see consistent distance and direction, crisp contact and good
> > distance with NO EFFORT from hand or arm action. Larry
>
> Well, I was wrong.
> This is not the real world and essentially nobody can hit
> fairways and greens with so little attention to detail. It would be just
> blind luck each time we hit it straight because our fundamentals would be so
> poor most swings.
>
> THE answer to low handicap consistency is to develop a repeating
> fundamentally correct golf swing so you can hit ALL the fairway with
> sufficient distance for the tees you play and then hit the greens from the
> middle of the fairway where you will find your ball. Realistically, if you
> want to get this done in this lifetime, you should enroll in a series of
> lessons and then do your homework like you did in your toughest college
> course. Apply yourself! Take the lesson and then go away and learn the
> skill doing the drills. Return and do it again.
>
> I started golf at age 60. I lost quite a bit of time flailing around hoping
> that each new method I read about or saw on TV would be a shortcut--I was
> attracted to that guy's "Swing the Clubhead" imitation for about a day, until
> my teaching pro burst that bubble. He showed me my awful top position and
> predicted that if I played a course doing that I would be up in the treeline
> and tramping through the deep rough several times each round, AGAIN,
> basically no progress.
>
> So let me repeat. The answer is solid fundamentals. Learn to backswing to a
> correct top position and you will downswing on plane from there. Learning
> that backswing will entail a good grip, a good setup, and a synchronized
> backswing that puts you in the top position that is your personal "trigger."
> When you find it, most likely with the help of a good teaching pro, you will
> automatically start with hips, NOT SHOULDERS and you will bring it down on or
> below the plane.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v..
>
> I continue to work with my teaching pro to take up to a good top position. He
> says and I agree that from there it is almost difficult to fail to make a
> nice downswing accelerating the clubhead through impact, shifting weight,
> etc. is automatic.
>
> But most amateurs fail to get it into such a top position and so we struggle.
> The wrong top position does NOT trigger the correct downswing sequence and we
> start with shoulders, poor weight shift, and other faults. We do that a few
> times and then we start inventing fixes, compensations, little handsy things
> to stop the slice or hook, etc. This is the origin of the "WOOD" thing that
> happens as we try to fix ourselves, "Worked only one day!" Because those
> little fixes never work again. But the fault was always the poor backswing
> top position.
>
> Teaching pros know all about this. I believe they really do want to help us,
> but we need to be good students and do exactly what they recommend.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xcy-utt17s&feature=plcp
>
> This is not pro quality,
honest.
> but this swing is good enough for low single digit
> handicap golf, fairways and greens. Not bad for a 71 year old who has been
> playing golf only 11 years. If I can do it, you can do it. Just don't waste
and had a single digit handicap...
...8 YEARS AGO!
> time and effort trying to teach yourself. Every bad swing you make is
> ingraining something that must later be unlearned.
>
> Larry
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