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Brian Foster

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Apr 28, 2006, 5:38:15 PM4/28/06
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You're just pissed because you sold all your oil stocks. Silly liberal, just
keep working and paying taxes....

"George Orwell" <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote in message
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> ....while bush rejects tax on oil company windfalls.
> A true demogogue. Thanks goes to all that put this jackass in there. The
> dead American kids' families would like to thank those same folks too.
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060428/ap_on_bi_ge/earns_chevron_3
> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/28/D8H93T10B.html
>


Howard Brazee

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Apr 28, 2006, 5:49:41 PM4/28/06
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:38:15 GMT, "Brian Foster"
<brian...@houston.rr.com> wrote:

>You're just pissed because you sold all your oil stocks. Silly liberal, just
>keep working and paying taxes...

We won't conserve without the price going up. Big business prefers
the Standard Oil model - the biggest money is in selling a lot of
stuff cheap.

long&left

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Apr 28, 2006, 7:00:11 PM4/28/06
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Brian Foster wrote:
> You're just pissed because you sold all your oil stocks. Silly liberal, just
> keep working and paying taxes....
>
>
>

hardy har har! I've owned Chevron stock since 1967. One of the reasons I
get to play golf 5 days a week :-P

five...@webtv.net

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Apr 28, 2006, 7:04:01 PM4/28/06
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>We won't conserve without the price >going up.  
>Big business prefers the Standard Oil >model - the biggest money is in
selling a >lot of stuff cheap.

Well in summary - screw the consumers. Greed prevails. When you have a
monopoly without control / ethics, watch out.

This isn't just in the "oil" business, it's everywhere. Greedy /
unethical bunch of bastards - running wild. It's all relative, monkey
see, monkey do.:--)

"it's a bucks world"

fore!!! move are get hit, you were warned.

mho
vƒe

>double dog dare you, sound familiar?

>to reduce your driving by  -  10%.

blackize

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Apr 28, 2006, 9:46:25 PM4/28/06
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Why on earth should they be taxed more because they are doing well? While
their profits are up 49%, their profit margin is only about 9% which is
rather low


On Apr 28 2006 5:26 PM, George Orwell wrote:

> .....while bush rejects tax on oil company windfalls.


> A true demogogue. Thanks goes to all that put this jackass in there. The
> dead American kids' families would like to thank those same folks too.
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060428/ap_on_bi_ge/earns_chevron_3
> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/28/D8H93T10B.html

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Howard Brazee

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Apr 28, 2006, 10:59:27 PM4/28/06
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:46:25 -0700, "blackize" <mcgr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Why on earth should they be taxed more because they are doing well? While
>their profits are up 49%, their profit margin is only about 9% which is
>rather low

Umm, to make gasoline more expensive?

Steve Gavette

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Apr 28, 2006, 11:06:29 PM4/28/06
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"blackize" <mcgr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Why on earth should they be taxed more because they are doing well? While
> their profits are up 49%, their profit margin is only about 9% which is
> rather low
>
And when did oil companies begin setting oil and gas prices? They may have
some influence, but they do not set them.


Annika1980

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Apr 29, 2006, 12:04:05 AM4/29/06
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>And when did oil companies begin setting oil and gas prices? They may have
>some influence, but they do not set them.

So who do you think sets the price at the pump?

five...@webtv.net

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Apr 28, 2006, 11:59:07 PM4/28/06
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>their profits are up 49%,
>their profit margin is only about 9% >which is rather low.
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profit margins are flexible, big bonus' are part of - the sales' costs"
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MS

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Apr 29, 2006, 10:25:10 AM4/29/06
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On 2006-04-28 14:26:07 -0700, George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> said:

> ....while bush rejects tax on oil company windfalls.
> A true demogogue. Thanks goes to all that put this jackass in there.
> The dead American kids' families would like to thank those same folks
> too.
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060428/ap_on_bi_ge/earns_chevron_3
> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/28/D8H93T10B.html

How about a windfall profits tax on home appreciation?

Brian Foster

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Apr 29, 2006, 10:47:27 AM4/29/06
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George, you got picked on as a kid, didn't you?.....

Still trying to make up for it..............

George, we're all still picking on you, you just don't know it :)


"George Orwell" <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote in message

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> In article <bXv4g.39124$ZB1....@tornado.texas.rr.com>
> "Brian Foster" <brian...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Actually brain trust, I haven't needed to work for about 20 years now. I
> enjoy a wealth that you probaby will never see. This silly liberal has
> been living large while you are still a rat in a cage. Still doesn't make
> enormous profits right and we both know it. If that's your best argument,
> well, you just don't get it but then, that's not news to anyone now is
> it? Keep working Brian. Oh, and forget about that SS. It's going to be
> gone before a shit for brains dick like you retires.
>


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Lloyd Parsons

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Apr 29, 2006, 11:21:58 AM4/29/06
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In article <61bec355755011d2...@mixmaster.it>,
George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:

> In article <2006042907251016807-none@attbicom>
> MS <no...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> How about the repuglican plan to not allow tax deductions on home
> mortgage interest rates? Would that be good enough for ya?

OK. Then how about knocking off those expenses a business writes off
too?

Lloyd Parsons

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Apr 29, 2006, 11:23:03 AM4/29/06
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In article <61bec355755011d2...@mixmaster.it>,
George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:

> In article <2006042907251016807-none@attbicom>
> MS <no...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> How about the repuglican plan to not allow tax deductions on home
> mortgage interest rates? Would that be good enough for ya?

Oh yeah, and let's make all income taxable at the same rates. Including
capital gains, dividends and such so you non-workers get to pay the same
as working folks?

Howard Brazee

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Apr 29, 2006, 11:42:31 AM4/29/06
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 11:21:58 -0400, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:

>OK. Then how about knocking off those expenses a business writes off
>too?

That is something that is impossible to do completely. The costs of
running a business have to be deducted from the gross income to get
net income. Ignoring net income and only taxing gross income can't
work.

Lloyd Parsons

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Apr 29, 2006, 11:58:44 AM4/29/06
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In article <n627521880s5ibj0q...@4ax.com>,
Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:

I know that Howard. The point was that if we are going to talk about
removing individual deductions that make sense, we should also remove
business deductions that make as much sense.

Tex

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Apr 29, 2006, 1:03:27 PM4/29/06
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You are the "supposed" accountant...don't you know?
Oil is a traded commodity....gasoline is traded commodity.

Who sets the price? "Big oil" ? Don't think so.

If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Simple.
Just think, if you stopped driving around the Elementary school 5 days
a week and cut back to 3...you'd save gas.

Tex

Tex

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Apr 29, 2006, 1:07:27 PM4/29/06
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George Orwell wrote:
> In article <bXv4g.39124$ZB1....@tornado.texas.rr.com>
> "Brian Foster" <brian...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Actually brain trust, I haven't needed to work for about 20 years now.

Mommy and Daddy still paying for your sorry ass, eh?

>I enjoy a wealth that you probaby will never see.

I call BULLSHIT. But then, you'll never have to prove anything because
you are chicken shit and you'll never admit who you are.

> Still doesn't make
> enormous profits right and we both know it.

Let's see...you are "living large" and never needed to work for 20
yrs....yet "enormous profits" are bad? Just how did you come by your
"supposed" wealth? By investing in "enormous losses" ??

Are you an idiot by nature? Or did you fall on head as a kid?

Tex

jeffc

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Apr 29, 2006, 2:03:07 PM4/29/06
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"blackize" <mcgr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Why on earth should they be taxed more because they are doing well?

I don't know, why does the government pay billions and billions to
businesses that fail? There's a concept called "windfall profit tax" for a
reason.


long&left

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Apr 29, 2006, 3:27:33 PM4/29/06
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George Orwell wrote:
> In article <T7x4g.358$IY5...@fe02.lga>
> long&left <nos...@diespammers.com> wrote:
>
> If you would have planned better, you could play 7 days a week and
> actually afford to drive to different courses and take your golf cart
> with you. har har har.
>

I could afford to play 7 days a week if I wanted to. Do have to make
some wifey time, run errands in my Suburban, etc. hardeharhar

bill-o

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Apr 29, 2006, 8:00:39 PM4/29/06
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On 29-Apr-2006, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:

> Oh yeah, and let's make all income taxable at the same rates.

better yet, let's not tax income at all, tax spending!

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

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blackize

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Apr 29, 2006, 9:17:06 PM4/29/06
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The government doesn't deserve that money just like the failed business
don't deserve to be paid for their failure.

------ 

Bert Robbins

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Apr 30, 2006, 8:58:30 AM4/30/06
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George Orwell wrote:
> In article <bXv4g.39124$ZB1....@tornado.texas.rr.com>
> "Brian Foster" <brian...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Actually brain trust, I haven't needed to work for about 20 years now. I
> enjoy a wealth that you probaby will never see. This silly liberal has
> been living large while you are still a rat in a cage. Still doesn't make
> enormous profits right and we both know it. If that's your best argument,
> well, you just don't get it but then, that's not news to anyone now is
> it? Keep working Brian. Oh, and forget about that SS. It's going to be
> gone before a shit for brains dick like you retires.

It must suck to be on SSD and have nothing, can't afford, to do but site
in front of a computer all day every day being and asshole to everyone.

Bert Robbins

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Apr 30, 2006, 9:12:18 AM4/30/06
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What is a "windfall profit tax?" Can you detail a formula that can be
used to determine if any business should be penalized for being
successful. If the business has a loss do they just absorbe that loss or
will the government give them money so that they are made whole?


Howard Brazee

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Apr 30, 2006, 9:27:45 AM4/30/06
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:12:18 -0400, Bert Robbins <sc...@you.com>
wrote:

>What is a "windfall profit tax?" Can you detail a formula that can be
>used to determine if any business should be penalized for being
>successful. If the business has a loss do they just absorbe that loss or
>will the government give them money so that they are made whole?

It's a tax designed to make the voters believe that the state is the
solution to their problems, instead of the cause.

Brian Foster

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Apr 30, 2006, 10:38:06 AM4/30/06
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George you are just pissed because nothing you've ever been a part of in
your life made a profit.


"George Orwell" <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote in message

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Steve Gavette

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Apr 30, 2006, 4:54:13 PM4/30/06
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"tiggerspalebride" <an...@comments.header> wrote in message
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> In article <_KA4g.5607$Jk2.4939@fed1read03>
> "Steve Gavette" <sgav...@no.cox.spam.net.4me> wrote:
>
> Please life that big black heavy thing that's above your head. Peek out
> and see the world. Where the hell have you been living lately??????

And dairy farmers set milk prices, right? Gold miners set gold prices as
well? How about soy beans, platinum, corn, and all the other traded
commodities? There may be a rock, but it ain't on my head.


Steve Gavette

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Apr 30, 2006, 4:58:38 PM4/30/06
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"Annika1980" <annik...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >And when did oil companies begin setting oil and gas prices? They may
have
> >some influence, but they do not set them.
>
> So who do you think sets the price at the pump?

Oil, natural gas, gasoline, and all other fossil fuel are commodities,
traded on the world markets. A handful of Wall street traders probably have
more influence on the prices than all the non-OPEC CEOs combined.


jeffc

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May 2, 2006, 11:14:21 PM5/2/06
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"Bert Robbins" <sc...@you.com> wrote in message
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> jeffc wrote:
>> "blackize" <mcgr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:h4tai3x...@recgroups.com...
>>> Why on earth should they be taxed more because they are doing well?
>>
>> I don't know, why does the government pay billions and billions to
>> businesses that fail? There's a concept called "windfall profit tax" for
>> a reason.
>
> What is a "windfall profit tax?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windfall_profit_tax
The internet is a wonderful thing.


Bert Robbins

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May 3, 2006, 6:48:13 AM5/3/06
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Wikipedias can't be trusted as a source of information any more.

Howard Brazee

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May 3, 2006, 9:07:26 AM5/3/06
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 06:48:13 -0400, Bert Robbins <sc...@you.com>
wrote:

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windfall_profit_tax


>> The internet is a wonderful thing.
>
>Wikipedias can't be trusted as a source of information any more.

Nothing can be trusted entirely, but that is an easy and effective
place to start.

Since you asked for an answer here, were you expecting an answer you
could trust more than the one that link pointed to? Do you think
the term really means something different from what that Wikipedia
article said?

dsc

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May 3, 2006, 4:05:11 PM5/3/06
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George Orwell wrote:
> ....while bush rejects tax on oil company windfalls.
> A true demogogue. Thanks goes to all that put this jackass in there. The
> dead American kids' families would like to thank those same folks too.
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060428/ap_on_bi_ge/earns_chevron_3
> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/28/D8H93T10B.html

Um... you're welcome... I guess... :)

Convince me things would be better if Gore were Pres. Kerry... maybe,
but not Gore.

dsc

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May 3, 2006, 4:07:11 PM5/3/06
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George Orwell wrote:
> In article <bXv4g.39124$ZB1....@tornado.texas.rr.com>
> "Brian Foster" <brian...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Actually brain trust, I haven't needed to work for about 20 years now. I
> enjoy a wealth that you probaby will never see. This silly liberal has
> been living large while you are still a rat in a cage.

... then stop bitchin... and just enjoy. :)

dsc

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May 3, 2006, 4:11:50 PM5/3/06
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bill-o wrote:
> On 29-Apr-2006, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh yeah, and let's make all income taxable at the same rates.
>
> better yet, let's not tax income at all, tax spending!
>

Okay... by me...

Bert Robbins

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May 3, 2006, 7:03:55 PM5/3/06
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Let's say my business sells 200% more than it did last year should I be
penalized by a Windfall Profits Tax? Conversely, if my business only
sold 50% of what it sold last year will I get some or all of my previous
Windfall Taxes returned to me?

Windfall Profits Taxes are the stupidest thing a government can do, all
it does is to penalize a successful business.

Tex

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May 3, 2006, 8:16:59 PM5/3/06
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Don't you get it? It's the Democratic plan...same thing they are doing
in schools....dumb it down, force all people to be "average" and
penalize those that suceed. Fuck, they won't even let kids lose a
sports game anymore....now they are all "winners". Good life lesson,
nobody loses....but then, nobody wins either.

Fucking twits.

Tex

Howard Brazee

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May 4, 2006, 10:57:12 AM5/4/06
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 19:03:55 -0400, Bert Robbins <sc...@you.com>
wrote:

>> Since you asked for an answer here, were you expecting an answer you


>> could trust more than the one that link pointed to? Do you think
>> the term really means something different from what that Wikipedia
>> article said?
>
>Let's say my business sells 200% more than it did last year should I be
>penalized by a Windfall Profits Tax? Conversely, if my business only
>sold 50% of what it sold last year will I get some or all of my previous
>Windfall Taxes returned to me?
>
>Windfall Profits Taxes are the stupidest thing a government can do, all
>it does is to penalize a successful business.

I believe the question was "What is a "windfall profit tax?"", not "Is
a windfall profit tax good or fair".

Taxes are about getting money from the people without the taxers
losing their jobs. There are two requirements about fairness:
1. Persuading the voters that they aren't paying too much (tax the
other guy more).
2. Be careful taxing the powerful - either they can leave (and you
don't get any taxes from them), or they can fund your opposition.

Taking your money at gun point is primarily about power.

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