The Magic Move
crapyking
move or something. After thinking long & hard (well not really that
hard), I found this article. I think it's pretty close,
"However, the closest thing to this one golf swing secret, can be
found at the moment that the backswing becomes the downswing - the
transistion. A good transistion seperates the bad golfer from the good
golfer possibly more than any aspect of the golf swing.
The Magic Move
To set in motion a correct, powerful downswing it is necessary for the
upper and lower body to be moving in the opposite direction just
before the downswing actually starts. This transition move means the
moment before your arms and club reach the top of the backswing, the
lower body led by the left knee and hip are moving and rotating
towards the target.
The Two Major Effects
Firstly, in a word power! Power in the golf swing is caused by the
coil of the upper body against a braced right knee. A good example of
this is big hitting John Daly - he swings the club way back but just
as importantly his lower body and hips hardly turn. Now, if you
perform the transition properly, while your lower body has started to
move towards the target your shoulders and arms are still going away
from the ball increasing this coil effect!
Secondly, one of the most common faults in golf is "hitting" early at
the ball with a bad movement which is commonly referred to as "coming
over the top". This correct transition means that the downswing is led
by the lower body with the club coming last for an on-plane powerful
strike."
I think having an inside to out swing where your hips lead your swing
is it!
curtjester1
Everytime I do this, I block it about two fairways over if the woods
haven't been kind enough to block the progress.
CJ
john
Yup, the fundamental move of the golf swing.
There are some caveats though. If your hips slide toward the target,
rather than turning, and your upper body tilts to the right - you get a
horrible abomination of a swing that produces a random selection of
blocks and weak, ugly duck hooks (your hands have to flip to try to
square the clubface and they often overdo it). Not pretty, but you get
enough "serviceable shots" to keep you going. I went for lessons when
the serviceable shot count dropped below 50%, and I was about to quit
golf.
I'm getting there, but it's been 4 years of diligent work (swing faults
are *hard* to correct) since I had my swing faults explained to me.
The good news is that I'm hitting the ball straight again. The bad
news is that I'm getting older and the power is slipping away. I now
hit driver shots on a level fairway with no wind about 230-240 yards,
maybe 25 yards less than I used to.
You have to *turn* your hips to start the downswing and maintain your
initial posture throughout the downswing. You are asking for trouble
if your shoulder turn involves sideways head movement away from the
target (like Vijay Singh) because you have just exponentially increased
the timing issues involved.
Just keep it simple and turn around your spine, back and through. Hips
leading the downswing is good, but you have to turn them, not slide
them. Also useful is Hogan's foot alignment (lead foot turned out
about 22.5*, trailing foot square to the target line). These stance
details allow your shoulders to turn back (but inhibit your hip turn)
thus increasing the magic torque and free up your hip turn to the
target to allow a fast release of the pentup power. Sounds easy. :-)
Swinging a golf club is not a natural move. Sideways movement within
the swing is the *enemy* of accuracy and a change of posture before the
ball is gone is, well, disastrous.
Next up is the short game. I like my new Vokey 58* wedge. :-)
ww
I went for lessons when the serviceable shot count dropped below
50%, and I was about to quit
golf.
I'm getting there, but it's been 4 years of diligent work (swing
faults
are *hard* to correct) since I had my swing faults explained to me.
The good news is that I'm hitting the ball straight again. The bad
news is that I'm getting older and the power is slipping away. I now
hit driver shots on a level fairway with no wind about 230-240 yards,
maybe 25 yards less than I used to.
You sound like me. I break my ass trying to get better, get so
discouraged I want to quit. I'm the only one of my friends who
actually cares about my game enough to try to fix it. Golf takes work,
plain & simple. I took 4 lessons this season already & it's all
starting to come back now. I do believe there is a correct way to
swing the golf club & we could all use a refresher. Glad your hitting
straight again.
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JohnO
Wow, scary.
You just explained in one post pretty much exactly what I have
recently come to understand about my own swing.
But it took me about 20 years to work it out.
KG
> Someone made a post some time ago that they discovered the secret
> move or something. After thinking long & hard (well not really that
> hard), I found this article. I think it's pretty close,
>
> "However, the closest thing to this one golf swing secret, can be
> found at the moment that the backswing becomes the downswing - the
> transistion. A good transistion seperates the bad golfer from the good
> golfer possibly more than any aspect of the golf swing.
>
> The Magic Move
>
> To set in motion a correct, powerful downswing it is necessary for the
> upper and lower body to be moving in the opposite direction just
> before the downswing actually starts. This transition move means the
> moment before your arms and club reach the top of the backswing, the
> lower body led by the left knee and hip are moving and rotating
> towards the target.
>
> The Two Major Effects
>
> Firstly, in a word power! Power in the golf swing is caused by the
> coil of the upper body against a braced right knee.
<snip>
Isn't it the left knee (for a right hander)?
I don't really know, I'm a beginner, but it seems logical to be the
left knee.
Annika1980
>
> > Firstly, in a word power! Power in the golf swing is caused by the
> > coil of the upper body against a braced right knee.
>
> <snip>
>
> Isn't it the left knee (for a right hander)?
No, it's the right knee.
KG
OK.
This is probably just one of many reasons why my drives don't go
straight.
R&B
There have been more than a few so-called "magic moves" mentioned in
golf instruction articles, so it's hard to know which one you're
referring to. But the one you describe here matches to a tee a
so-called "magic move" I read about many years ago in Golf Digest. The
article to which I refer described it in precisely those words -- a
"magic move" that was, in essence, a little-known, hidden power source
known only to the most skilled players in the world. It was in an
article supposedly written by Davis Love, Jr. (the father of PGA TOUR
player Davis Love III). In this article, he talked of the wide arc
you've described, and advocated a "magic move" at the top of the swing
in which the player pushes his hands away from his ear at the top of
the swing as the swing transitions downward, thereby widening the swing
arc to its maximum on the throughswing.
The article talked of how this move isn't for beginners, and how it
takes a fairly advanced player to take full advantage of the awesome
power this "magic move" can provide without introducing a variable in
the swing that most recreational players cannot pull off consistently.
Love Jr. mentioned how he'd waited until his son, Davis III, had
reached a high level of proficiency before Davis Jr. felt he was ready
to learn of this "magic move."
So, in 1997, when I was working for the PGA TOUR Radio Network, I
interviewed Davis Love III and asked him about this article I'd seen in
Golf Digest that his father had written a year or two before his tragic
death.
Davis III remembered the article I was referring to quite well, and he
remembered what his dad had told him about it. He'd been asked about
that specific article enough times that I didn't need to do much
prompting for him to know exactly which article I was referring to.
It seems Davis Love, Jr., upon receiving a proof of that article prior
to it being published, had begged the editors of Golf Digest to either
not publish that article or to take his name off the byline. Why?
Because the article was wrong, and Davis had never advocated any such
"magic move," and never would have advocated such a thing. He
complained to the magazine's editor that the writer to whom Davis had
spoken about what he thought would be an article about increasing power
took what he'd said about "maintaining a wide arc" and then took
creative license by inventing, completely on his own, this so-called
"magic move." Mr. Love had never advocated such a thing. The writer
made it up based on Love's claim that "maintaining the widest possible
arc" would maximize power. Love himself never mentioned this so-called
"magic move," and insisted that any attempt by a golfer to mimmick the
move described in the article would surely do more harm than good.
This so-called "magic move" was a hoax, and was nothing more than a
writer's fictional concoction to impress the editors and get his
article published.
Davis Love III told me that until the day his father died, he resented
having his name associated with this article and the so-called "magic
move" that was described in it. Love Jr. knew the article was bullshit
and he never advocated the move that Golf Digest had credited to him in
the article.
The takeaway for me following my interview with Davis Love, III was not
just that this particular tip was mis-quoted, but that golf tips you
read in golf periodicals are sometimes total, unadulterated bullshit,
and occasionally were nothing but pure fiction dreamed up by writers
who are not golf instructors, and that these magazine editors were
willing to print damn near anything just to sell magazines. At some
level, this shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, magazines are
just businesses looking to make money. But on a grander scale, it
confirmed a certain cynicism I'd always held about these magazines and
their instruction articles, and about how their interest lies not in
improving anybody's game, but rather, in nothing more than selling
magazines.
If you want to improve your golf game, put down the magazines (unless
you're just reading the interviews and/or travel articles). Certainly
the instruction articles are, in many cases, worthless. At best, they
offer nothing more than band-aids that won't work long-term. At worst,
they can send you down dead end paths that will only serve to mislead
and misinform.
If you want to make meaningful, lasting improvement to your game, find
a qualified teaching professional and take lessons. Not just one or
two lessons every year or two, but a consistent regimen of lessons.
Randy
john
>
> If you want to improve your golf game, put down the magazines (unless
> you're just reading the interviews and/or travel articles). Certainly
> the instruction articles are, in many cases, worthless. At best, they
> offer nothing more than band-aids that won't work long-term. At
> worst, they can send you down dead end paths that will only serve to
> mislead and misinform.
>
> If you want to make meaningful, lasting improvement to your game, find
> a qualified teaching professional and take lessons. Not just one or
> two lessons every year or two, but a consistent regimen of lessons.
>
> Randy
Whether we are talking about golf mechanics or investment advice, the
individual is well advised to take what he hears/reads with a skeptical
attitude. I have played golf for a long time and heard good and bad
things in lessons, in golf magazine articles and on the course.
Saying that "professional lessons" are the only way to learn golf is
just as absurd as saying "golf tips in magazines" are the only way to
learn golf.
Lots of professionals are not good ball strikers, do not have good swing
mechanics and do not teach good swing mechanics.
The answers are "in the dirt" as Ben Hogan said. Still, it pays to
read, listen and learn and to have well organized practice. It is
pretty obvious that all the tour pros are reading the same comic book
when it comes to swing mechanics. There *are* best practices in
swinging a golf club.
scarletfire77
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> If you want to make meaningful, lasting improvement to your game, find a
> qualified teaching professional and take lessons. Not just one or two
> lessons every year or two, but a consistent regimen of lessons.
>
> Randy
>
I took many lessons from a Golf Digest Schools lead instructor. He was with
them for 20 years. He also wrote many articles for the publication and even
had several "covers".
His advice to me was *not* to read Golf Digest magazine. He said it would do
more damage than good.
john
Well, that's the same as I (probably you too) would say to a new
student. "Forget anything you've ever read, listen only to *me*".
It's hard enough to teach without dealing with all the perhaps
irrelevant information from Golf Digest. Notice I didn't say *wrong*
advice, I said irrelevant, as in *not applicable* to this fact
situation.
That doesn't mean that Tom Watson's advice on how to play in the wind is
not worth reading - it is. It doesn't mean a recent instructor's
advice to me "strengthen your grip" is good, it's not - my bad shot is
a hook, and I don't think I've sliced a shot in decades.
You have to be discriminating about any advice you get. The truth
is "in the dirt".
Jim Lovejoy
1671be...@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
To amplify what Annika said: On the *Backswing*, the weight should shift
(mostly) to the right foot, and the coil is against the right knee.
On the *Downswing* the weight should shift to the left, and the coil should
be released into force toward the target.
(If I could do it as easily as I write it I could drop a dozen strokes off
my handicap.)
Learn from others
> �Someone made a post some time ago that they discovered the secret
Call me Crazy * they all do * But your post reminded me of
theee
great oldie ..."""" THIS MAGIC MOMENT.. """""
And here it is .....
Lyrics to "This Magic Moment"
This magic moment
So different and so new
Was like any other
Until I met you
And then it happened
It took me by suprise
I knew that you felt it too
I could see it by the look in your eyes
Sweeter than wine
Softer than a summer's night
Everything I want, I have
Whenever I hold you tight
This magic moment,
While your lips are close to mine,
Will last forever,
Forever, 'til the end of time
So why won't you dance with me?
Why won't you dance with me?
This magic moment
So different and so new
Was like any other
Until I met you
And then it happened
It took me by suprise
I knew that you felt it too
I could see it by the look in your eyes
Sweeter than wine
Softer than a summer's night
Everything I want, I have
Whenever I hold you tight
Payment made To ASCAP
dsc-ky
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... and yet I played with a stack and tilt mini-tour player the other
day that hits it arrow straight and long without moving much weight
anywhere??? Many ways to get it done... not just one.