NFL Draft scouting combine player ratings list
Jigsaw
I have two impressions upon a quick reading of the ratings list.
One, there seems to be a lack of speed. Only three people even broke the
4.4 barrier. At one time, the Redskins had three people faster than anyone
on that list. Though, to show that speed isn't everything, two of these people,
Davis and Oliphant, have gone on to less greener pastures.
My second impression is that the defensive tackles are small. Worse, they
are short, so their ability to gain useful weight will be limited.
Two people piqued my interest:
halfback: 2. Nick Bell 6-2 259 4.54 Iowa 7.20
linebacker: 1. Mike Croel 6-2.3 226 4.44 Nebraska 7.50
Bell is fast for such a big man. Croel is fast for *any* man, much
less a linebacker.
me
Gidi Avrahami
> Rating scale : 9.0 sure rookie starter
> 8.0 should start as rookie
> 7.0 eventual starter
> 6.0 backup as a rookie
> 5.0 should contribute as rookie
> 4.0 prospect worth drafting
>
> Note : There are no hardship juniors in this list.
I have re-sorted John's list according according to the NSC rating.
Each player's name is preceded by his position and his relative
ranking among players in the same position.
Enjoy.
1. WR 01 Reggie Barrett 6-2.5 208 4.53 Texas-El Paso 8.20
2. CB 01 Todd Lyght 6-1 184 4.45 Notre Dame 8.00
3. OT 01 Antone Davis 6-4.8 317 5.00 Tennessee 7.50
4. OLB01 Mike Croel 6-2.3 226 4.44 Nebraska 7.50
5. HB 01 Harvey Williams 6-1.5 212 4.46 L.S.U. 7.21
6. WR 02 Jake Reed 6-3 216 4.45 Grambling 7.20
7. OT 02 Pat Harlow 6-5.8 275 5.10 U.S.C. 7.20
8. HB 02 Nick Bell 6-2 259 4.54 Iowa 7.20
9. DT 01 Russell Maryland 6-1 271 4.98 Miami 7.20
10. HB 03 Siran Stacy 5-11 195 4.60 Alabama 7.10
11. DE 01 Lamar Rogers 6-3.8 276 4.86 Auburn 7.10
12. WR 03 Alvin Harper 6-3 200 4.50 Tennessee 7.02
13. HB 04 Aaron Craver 5-11.3 216 4.51 Fresno St. 7.01
14. WR 04 Derek Russell 5-11.8 175 4.50 Arkansas 7.00
15. QB 01 Dan McGwire 6-8 235 5.17 San Diego St. 7.00
16. OT 03 Stan Thomas 6-5.1 290 5.30 Texas 7.00
17. OLB02 Alfred Williams 6-5.4 229 4.71 Colorado 7.00
18. ILB01 Keith Taylor 6-2.4 253 4.69 Central St. 7.00
19. HB 05 Blaise Bryant 5-11 200 4.55 Iowa St. 7.00
20. DE 02 Huey Richardson 6-5 236 4.66 Florida 7.00
21. CB 02 Aeneas Williams 5-10.1 190 4.38 Southern 7.00
22. OT 04 Charles McRae 6-6.8 291 5.20 Tennessee 6.90
23. ILB06 Pat Tyrance 6-1.8 242 4.51 Nebraska 6.90
24. DE 03 Mel Agee 6-4.8 288 5.09 Illinois 6.90
25. C 01 Chris Thorne 6-4.1 276 5.10 Minnesota 6.90
26. WR 05 Jeff Graham 6-0.9 195 4.51 Ohio St. 6.81
27. WR 06 Wesley Carroll 6-0.3 183 4.59 Miami 6.80
28. OT 05 Kevin Donmalley 6-5.1 295 5.25 North Carolina 6.80
29. OG 01 Eric Moten 6-2.9 292 5.10 Michigan St. 6.80
30. DT 02 Morris Gardner 6-2 258 4.88 Illinois 6.80
31. ILB07 Terry Crews 6-1.8 235 4.70 Western Michigan 6.70
32. HB 06 Eric Bieniemy 5-6.8 193 4.40 Colorado 6.70
33. CB 03 Steve Jackson 5-8.5 182 4.45 Purdue 6.70
34. CB 04 Henry Jones 5-11.8 196 4.50 Illinois 6.61
35. S 02 Trip Wilborne 6-0.6 204 4.54 Michigan 6.60
36. ILB09 Scott Ross 6-1.5 235 4.90 U.S.C. 6.60
37. ILB08 Al Chambie 6-1.3 242 4.81 Virginia Tech 6.60
38. HB 07 Ivory Lee Brown 6-1.5 232 4.54 Ark.-Pine Bluff 6.60
39. CB 05 Darryl Lewis 5-8.6 182 4.58 Arizona 6.60
40. S 03 Tim James 6-1.3 211 4.56 Colorado 6.51
41. ILB10 Dean Wirkowski 6-1.8 233 4.62 North Dakota 6.51
42. HB 08 Tony Boles 6-1.5 184 4.45 Michigan 6.51
43. DE 04 Mike Jones 6-3.4 276 4.93 N. Carolina St. 6.51
44. CB 06 Vincent Clark 6-0 186 4.39 Ohio St. 6.51
45. TE 01 Chris Smith 6-3.6 227 4.78 B.Y.U. 6.50
46. S 04 Eric Turner 6-1 207 4.68 U.C.L.A. 6.50
47. OT 06 Darryl Jenkins 6-4.8 295 5.66 Georgia Tech 6.50
48. OLB03 Kanaks McGhee 6-3.5 246 4.70 Colorado 6.50
49. HB 09 Ricky Ervins 5-8 190 4.57 U.S.C. 6.50
50. DE 05 David Rocker 6-3.1 264 4.95 Auburn 6.50
51. CB 07 Marcus Robertson 5-11 193 4.50 Iowa St. 6.50
52. OT 07 Ike Harris 6-4 285 5.18 South Carolina 6.40
53. DT 03 Esara Tuaolo 6-2.3 260 4.82 Oregon St. 6.40
54. CB 08 Bernard Ellison 6-0.4 192 4.59 Nevada-Reno 6.32
55. DT 04 Ted Washington 6-4.3 299 5.17 Louisville 6.31
56. CB 09 Jerome Henderson 5-10.9 188 4.42 Clemson 6.31
57. WR 07 Ed McCaffrey 6-4.6 211 4.59 Stanford 6.30
58. FB 01 Jarrod Bunch 6-1.5 246 4.60 Michigan 6.30
59. DT 05 Bobby Wilson 6-1 273 5.00 Michigan St. 6.30
60. CB 10 David McCloughan 6-0.1 184 4.65 Colorado 6.30
61. HB 10 Tony Brooks 6-0.5 233 4.60 Notre Dame 6.22
62. HB 11 James Joseph 6-2 222 4.65 Auburn 6.21
63. S 05 Stanley Richard 6-1.6 197 4.50 Texas 6.20
64. OT 08 Mike Sullivan 6-3.3 269 4.95 Miami 6.20
65. HB 12 Darren Lewis 5-11 205 4.65 Texas A&M 6.20
66. CB 11 Joe Johnson 5-8.8 185 4.48 N. Carolina St. 6.20
67. OLB04 Godfrey Myles 6-1.6 242 4.50 Florida 6.11
68. WR 08 John Walker 6-0.6 185 4.55 Texas 6.10
69. OLB05 Dixon Edwards 6-1 222 4.60 Michigan St. 6.10
70. OG 02 Hayward Haynes 6-2 280 4.78 Florida St. 6.10
71. CB 12 Brian Mitchell 5-9.8 169 4.48 B.Y.U. 6.10
72. TE 02 Reggie Johnson 6-2 257 4.63 Florida St. 6.03
73. CB 13 Reggie Jones 6-1 202 4.50 Memphis St. 6.03
74. TE 03 Frank Hartley 6-2.3 260 4.75 Illinois 6.02
75. CB 14 Chris Green 5-11 183 4.50 Illinois 6.02
76. WR 09 Anthony Morgan 6-0.1 195 4.50 Tennessee 6.01
77. TE 04 Jerry Evans 6-4 244 4.79 Toledo 6.01
78. OT 09 Clarence Jones 6-5.5 275 5.13 Maryland 6.01
79. OG 03 Stacy Long 6-1.6 274 5.07 Clemson 6.01
80. HB 13 Rickey Watters 6-1.3 205 4.50 Notre Dame 6.01
81. CB 15 Bruce Pickens 5-11 191 4.50 Nebraska 6.01
82. C 02 John Flannery 6-3.5 301 5.07 Syracuse 6.01
83. WR 10 Gary Wellman 5-9 175 4.58 U.S.C. 6.00
84. TE 05 Adrian Cooper 6-5 250 4.85 Oklahoma 6.00
85. QB 02 Paul Justin 6-3.5 202 5.02 Arizona St. 6.00
86. OT 10 Mark VanderPoel 6-7.5 304 5.31 Colorado 6.00
87. OLB06 Roman Phifer 6-2 225 4.65 U.C.L.A. 6.00
88. HB 14 Tony Stewart 5-11.8 200 4.50 Iowa 6.00
89. DT 06 Chris Zorich 6-0 266 4.75 Notre Dame 6.00
90. DE 07 Fernando Horn 6-5 268 4.95 Auburn 6.00
91. DE 06 Bob Dahl 6-4.8 261 5.00 Notre Dame 6.00
92. CB 16 Merton Hanks 6-1.6 174 4.60 Iowa 6.00
93. C 03 Mike Heldt 6-2.5 285 5.10 Notre Dame 6.00
94. S 06 Floyd Fields 6-0.8 208 4.55 Arizona St. 5.91
95. OLB07 James Goode 6-2.6 242 4.49 Oklahoma 5.91
96. WR 11 Lawrence Dawsey 6-0.8 195 4.59 Florida St. 5.90
97. S 07 Lamar McGriggs 6-2.9 200 4.51 Western Illinois 5.90
98. QB 03 Don Hollas 6-2.5 219 4.75 Rice 5.90
99. OLB08 Craig Hartsuyke 6-3 219 4.70 U.S.C. 5.90
100. OG 04 Mark Drabczak 6-4.1 273 5.15 Minnesota 5.90
101. FB 02 Chuck Weatherspoon 5-7.4 230 4.75 Houston 5.90
102. DE 08 Robert Young 6-6.8 261 4.85 Mississippi St. 5.90
103. WR 12 Curtis Mayfield 5-11.8 178 4.43 Oklahoma St 5.82
104. WR 13 Ernest Priester 5-7.9 178 4.45 Edinboro 5.81
105. S 08 Darrell Beavers 6-2.6 214 4.46 Morehead 5.81
106. QB 04 Billy Ray 6-2 201 4.69 Duke 5.81
107. OLB09 Rocen Keeton 6-2 242 4.68 U.C.L.A. 5.81
108. HB 15 Tony Satter 5-10.9 207 4.52 North Dakota St. 5.81
109. WR 14 Mike Prichard 5-9.8 182 4.51 Colorado 5.80
110. S 09 Larry Horton 5-10.9 179 4.62 Texas A&M 5.80
111. QB 05 Brett Favre 6-2 220 4.90 S. Mississippi 5.80
112. OT 11 Ariel Solomon 6-5 272 5.27 Colorado 5.80
113. OLB10 William Thomas 6-2.6 207 4.71 Texas A&M 5.80
114. HB 16 Greg Lewis 5-10.3 201 4.54 Washington 5.80
115. DE 09 Mitchell Donahue 6-2.6 253 4.81 Wyoming 5.80
116. CB 17 Richard Fain 5-10.1 188 4.45 Florida 5.80
117. FB 03 Al Baker 5-11 223 4.56 Kentucky 5.71
118. DE 10 Kenny Walker 6-2.8 230 4.73 Nebraska 5.71
119. WR 15 Linzy Collins 6-0.8 178 4.62 Missouri 5.70
120. TE 06 Dennis Ransom 6-3.6 262 5.00 Texas A&M 5.70
121. S 10 Fernandus Vinson 5-10.8 201 4.56 N. Carolina St. 5.70
122. OLB11 Brian Cox 6-3.6 222 4.73 Western Illinois 5.70
123. OG 05 Mark Tucker 6-2.5 260 5.00 U.S.C. 5.70
124. ILB02 Mike Stonebreaker 6-0.5 250 4.75 Notre Dame 5.70
125. DE 12 Kelvin Pritchett 6-3 265 4.93 Mississippi 5.70
126. DE 11 Tony Ollison 6-3.6 268 4.91 Arkansas 5.70
127. OLB12 Tony Hill 6-6.3 229 4.75 Tenn-Chattanooga 5.61
128. DT 07 Don Gibson 6-2.5 265 5.00 U.S.C. 5.61
129. WR 16 Scott Miller 5-10.4 178 4.64 U.C.L.A. 5.60
130. TE 08 Duane Young 6-1.8 276 5.00 Michigan St. 5.60
131. TE 07 Kerry Cash 6-4 230 4.75 Texas 5.60
132. S 11 Louis Riddick 6-2 217 4.57 Pittsburgh 5.60
133. OLB13 Kevin Harris 6-5 238 4.78 Texas Southern 5.60
134. DE 14 George Thornton 6-3 293 5.10 Alabama 5.60
135. DE 13 Vance Hammond 6-6.5 300 5.27 Clemson 5.60
136. CB 18 Herbie Anderson 5-10 183 4.56 Texas A&I 5.60
137. WR 17 Yancey Thigpen 6-1.1 215 4.75 Winston-Salem St 5.52
138. WR 18 Brad Lamb 5-10.3 162 4.37 Anderson 5.51
139. OT 13 Joe Valerio 6-4.8 290 5.25 Penn 5.51
140. OT 12 David Postmus 6-2.6 282 5.10 Dayton 5.51
141. OLB14 Carlos Jenkins 6-3.5 212 4.65 Michigan St. 5.51
142. DT 08 Paul Glonek 6-4.9 281 4.92 Arizona 5.51
143. DE 15 Andrew Harmon 6-4.1 255 4.71 Kent St. 5.51
144. TE 09 Bruce McGonnigal 6-5.1 221 4.80 Virginia 5.50
145. QB 06 Craig Erickson 6-2 195 4.92 Miami 5.50
146. OT 14 Tom Dohring 6-6 295 5.30 Michigan 5.50
147. OLB15 Reggie Burnette 6-2 229 4.75 Houston 5.50
148. OG 06 Gene Williams 6-2.3 325 5.31 Iowa St. 5.50
149. FB 04 Cedic Jackson 6-0 227 4.56 T.C.U. 5.50
150. DT 09 James Jones 6-1.3 284 5.01 Northern Iowa 5.50
151. DE 17 J.J. Wierenga 6-3.3 276 5.15 Central Michigan 5.50
152. DE 16 Ernie Logan 6-3.3 252 4.95 E. Carolina 5.50
153. CB 19 Tahaun Lewis 5-10.3 170 4.41 Nebraska 5.50
154. WR 19 Sean Foster 5-11.8 184 4.53 Long Beach St. 5.43
155. WR 20 Richard Buchanan 5-10.1 172 4.50 Northwestern 5.41
156. FB 05 Greg Amsier 6-2.4 240 4.75 Tennessee 5.41
157. WR 21 Bobby Slaughter 5-11 172 4.62 Louisiana Tech 5.40
158. TE 10 Matt Swinson 6-4.8 246 4.98 Maine 5.40
159. S 13 Efrum Thomas 5-11.6 188 4.50 Alabama 5.40
160. S 12 John Fowlkes 5-10.6 185 4.60 Wesley 5.40
161. QB 07 Shawn Moore 6-2 215 4.66 Virginia 5.40
162. OG 08 Turnell Sims 6-2.9 288 5.22 Syracuse 5.40
163. OG 07 Jim Lavin 6-4 280 5.15 Georgia Tech 5.40
164. FB 06 Walter Dean 5-10 197 4.64 Grambling 5.40
165. WR 22 James Bradley 5-11.5 191 4.50 Michigan St. 5.35
166. WR 24 Randal Hill 5-10.5 179 4.42 Miami 5.34
167. WR 23 Artie Guess 5-11.6 188 4.46 Oklahoma 5.34
168. WR 25 Ernie Mills 5-10.8 181 4.50 Florida 5.32
169. S 14 Tim Lance 5-11.8 204 4.65 Eastern Illinois 5.31
170. OT 15 Harry Boatswain 6-4.3 286 5.11 New Haven 5.31
171. WR 27 Shawn Wax 6-4 174 4.65 Illinois 5.30
172. WR 26 Millard Hamilton 5-9 172 4.42 Clark College 5.30
173. QB 08 Greg Jones 6-1.5 215 4.90 West Virginia 5.30
174. OLB16 Morris Lewis 6-4 227 4.85 Georgia 5.30
175. OG 10 Jeff Pahukoa 6-2.3 290 5.15 Washington 5.30
176. OG 09 Ben Michell 6-2.9 307 5.49 Toledo 5.30
177. CB 20 Kevin Scott 5-9 168 4.42 Stanford 5.30
178. C 04 Blake Miller 6-1.6 277 5.01 L.S.U. 5.30
179. QB 09 Tom Bill 6-2 210 4.88 Penn St. 5.22
180. QB 10 David Gulledge 6-1.5 188 4.63 Jacksonville 5.21
181. OT 16 Mark Hayes 6-5.6 281 5.33 Arizona St. 5.21
182. S 15 Reggie Cooper 6-2.5 210 4.70 Nebraska 5.20
183. QB 11 Bill Musgrave 6-2.5 197 4.86 Oregon 5.20
184. OT 18 Terrill Chatman 6-4 324 5.30 Alabama 5.20
185. OT 17 Mike Kein 6-7 275 5.35 B.Y.U. 5.20
186. OLB17 Ivan Caesar 6-1.8 225 4.73 Boston College 5.20
187. OG 11 Chad Martin 6-3.1 279 5.24 E. Carolina 5.20
188. ILB03 Brian Jones 6-1.1 238 4.70 Texas 5.20
189. DE 18 Phil Hansen 6-4.9 259 4.65 N. Dakota St. 5.20
190. CB 21 Todd Scott 5-10.4 207 4.54 S.W. Louisiana 5.20
191. C 05 Mike Arther 6-4 265 5.15 Texas A&M 5.20
192. OLB18 John Johnson 6-3.7 220 4.52 Clemson 5.13
193. OLB19 Anthony Moss 6-3.9 239 4.81 Florida St. 5.12
194. DE 19 Tom Backes 6-5 262 4.94 Oklahoma 5.12
195. CB 22 Larry Brown 5-11.5 187 4.50 T.C.U. 5.12
196. S 16 John Wiley 5-11.4 187 4.62 Auburn 5.11
197. OT 19 Shon Flores 6-2 299 5.29 Arkansas 5.11
198. ILB04 Darrin Trieb 6-1.5 238 4.65 Purdue 5.11
199. DT 10 Tim Edwards 6-2.1 269 5.08 Delta St. 5.11
200. CB 23 Eric Ramsey 5-11.6 187 4.61 Auburn 5.11
201. TE 11 Randy Austin 6-2.5 245 4.80 U.C.L.A. 5.10
202. S 17 Micheal Welch 6-1.8 200 4.65 Baylor 5.10
203. QB 12 Scott Zolak 6-5 221 4.91 Maryland 5.10
204. OLB21 Clarence Siler 6-3 240 5.10 Cal St-Fullerton 5.10
205. OLB20 Theron Ellis 6-1.1 241 4.77 West Virginia 5.10
206. OG 12 Craig Hendrickson 6-3.1 289 5.35 Minnesota 5.10
207. ILB05 Darrick Brownlow 5-10.3 237 4.75 Illinois 5.10
208. DE 20 Shane Curry 6-5 253 5.07 Miami 5.10
209. CB 25 Shawn Vincent 5-9.3 174 4.60 Akron 5.10
210. CB 24 Eddie Godfrey 5-8.5 180 4.45 Western Kentucky 5.10
211. OT 20 John Selvestra 6-6.5 279 5.16 Minnesota 5.04
212. OT 21 Matt McCartin 6-4.6 277 5.09 Penn St. 5.03
213. OT 22 Rob Selby 6-3 277 5.30 Auburn 5.02
214. DE 21 Nolan Harrison 6-5.5 280 5.06 Indiana 5.02
215. OT 23 Jason Rockhold 6-6.5 295 5.46 Texas A&M 5.01
216. DE 22 Mike Sunvoid 6-4.4 254 4.97 Minnesota 5.01
217. QB 13 Brad Gossen 6-1 213 4.73 Washington St. 5.00
218. OLB22 Kevin Pearson 6-3.1 235 4.80 Boston College 5.00
219. DT 11 George Williams 6-0.5 302 5.10 Notre Dame 5.00
220. CB 26 Simmie Carter 5-11 186 4.63 S. Mississippi 5.00
221. FB 07 Howard Griffith 5-10.8 220 4.70 Illinois 4.91
222. FB 08 George Hemingway 5-11.9 228 4.80 Colorado 4.90
223. PK 02 Paul Alsbury 6-1.9 203 4.85 Southwest Texas 4.80
224. P 02 Mike Pollack 5-8 170 4.85 Texas 4.80
225. FB 09 Roland Poles 6-0.4 251 4.80 Tennessee 4.80
226. C 06 Lance Zeno 6-4 278 5.29 U.C.L.A. 4.70
227. FB 10 Ralph Brown 6-3 228 4.60 Virginia Tech 4.61
228. PK 03 Greg Hertzog 5-8.9 182 4.79 West Virginia 4.60
229. P 03 Jeff Shudak 5-8.9 174 5.03 Iowa St. 4.60
230. P 04 John Kasay 5-10 180 5.00 Georgia 4.50
231. C 07 Nick Subis 6-4.8 270 5.32 San Diego St. 4.50
232. PK 04 Jeff Fite 6-0.8 206 5.02 Memphis St. 4.41
233. PK 05 Eric Nyhus 6-4.5 184 5.20 Washington (Mo.) 4.40
234. P 05 Ed Beaulac 6-0.1 196 4.95 Cal.-Sonoma 4.40
235. C 08 Dan Beatty 6-2.9 270 5.28 Ohio St. 4.31
236. PK 06 Alex Waits 6-1 200 4.90 Texas 4.30
237. P 06 Jim Hodson 5-9.5 172 4.91 Lafayette 4.30
238. C 09 Carl Ramos 6-1.9 252 5.04 Boise St. 4.30
239. PK 07 Tom Rouen 6-1.4 221 5.00 Colorado 4.20
240. P 07 R.D. Lashar 5-11 185 4.90 Oklahoma 4.20
241. P 08 Cary Blanchard 6-1.3 223 5.08 Oklahoma St. 4.10
242. C 10 Rob Leudeke 6-5.5 250 5.24 Penn St. 4.02
243. P 09 John Langelon 6-1 180 4.80 Michigan St. 4.00
John Manuel
Here is a list of the NFL Scouting Combine Player Ratings after
the combine workouts in Indianapolis last month.
Rating scale : 9.0 sure rookie starter
8.0 should start as rookie
7.0 eventual starter
6.0 backup as a rookie
5.0 should contribute as rookie
4.0 prospect worth drafting
Note : There are no hardship juniors in this list.
QUARTERBACK Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
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1. Dan McGwire 6-8 235 5.17 San Diego St. 7.00
2. Paul Justin 6-3.5 202 5.02 Arizona St. 6.00
3. Don Hollas 6-2.5 219 4.75 Rice 5.90
4. Billy Ray 6-2 201 4.69 Duke 5.81
5. Brett Favre 6-2 220 4.90 S. Mississippi 5.80
6. Craig Erickson 6-2 195 4.92 Miami 5.50
7. Shawn Moore 6-2 215 4.66 Virginia 5.40
8. Greg Jones 6-1.5 215 4.90 West Virginia 5.30
9. Tom Bill 6-2 210 4.88 Penn St. 5.22
10. David Gulledge 6-1.5 188 4.63 Jacksonville 5.21
11. Bill Musgrave 6-2.5 197 4.86 Oregon 5.20
12. Scott Zolak 6-5 221 4.91 Maryland 5.10
13. Brad Gossen 6-1 213 4.73 Washington St. 5.00
HALFBACK Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Harvey Williams 6-1.5 212 4.46 L.S.U. 7.21
2. Nick Bell 6-2 259 4.54 Iowa 7.20
3. Siran Stacy 5-11 195 4.60 Alabama 7.10
4. Aaron Craver 5-11.3 216 4.51 Fresno St. 7.01
5. Blaise Bryant 5-11 200 4.55 Iowa St. 7.00
6. Eric Bieniemy 5-6.8 193 4.40 Colorado 6.70
7. Ivory Lee Brown 6-1.5 232 4.54 Ark.-Pine Bluff 6.60
8. Tony Boles 6-1.5 184 4.45 Michigan 6.51
9. Ricky Ervins 5-8 190 4.57 U.S.C. 6.50
10. Tony Brooks 6-0.5 233 4.60 Notre Dame 6.22
11. James Joseph 6-2 222 4.65 Auburn 6.21
12. Darren Lewis 5-11 205 4.65 Texas A&M 6.20
13. Rickey Watters 6-1.3 205 4.50 Notre Dame 6.01
14. Tony Stewart 5-11.8 200 4.50 Iowa 6.00
15. Tony Satter 5-10.9 207 4.52 North Dakota St. 5.81
16. Greg Lewis 5-10.3 201 4.54 Washington 5.80
FULLBACK Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Jarrod Bunch 6-1.5 246 4.60 Michigan 6.30
2. Chuck Weatherspoon 5-7.4 230 4.75 Houston 5.90
3. Al Baker 5-11 223 4.56 Kentucky 5.71
3. Cedic Jackson 6-0 227 4.56 T.C.U. 5.50
4. Greg Amsier 6-2.4 240 4.75 Tennessee 5.41
5. Walter Dean 5-10 197 4.64 Grambling 5.40
6. Howard Griffith 5-10.8 220 4.70 Illinois 4.91
7. George Hemingway 5-11.9 228 4.80 Colorado 4.90
8. Roland Poles 6-0.4 251 4.80 Tennessee 4.80
9. Ralph Brown 6-3 228 4.60 Virginia Tech 4.61
WIDE RECEIVER Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
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1. Reggie Barrett 6-2.5 208 4.53 Texas-El Paso 8.20
2. Jake Reed 6-3 216 4.45 Grambling 7.20
3. Alvin Harper 6-3 200 4.50 Tennessee 7.02
4. Derek Russell 5-11.8 175 4.50 Arkansas 7.00
5. Jeff Graham 6-0.9 195 4.51 Ohio St. 6.81
6. Wesley Carroll 6-0.3 183 4.59 Miami 6.80
7. Ed McCaffrey 6-4.6 211 4.59 Stanford 6.30
8. John Walker 6-0.6 185 4.55 Texas 6.10
9. Anthony Morgan 6-0.1 195 4.50 Tennessee 6.01
10. Gary Wellman 5-9 175 4.58 U.S.C. 6.00
11. Lawrence Dawsey 6-0.8 195 4.59 Florida St. 5.90
12. Curtis Mayfield 5-11.8 178 4.43 Oklahoma St 5.82
13. Ernest Priester 5-7.9 178 4.45 Edinboro 5.81
14. Mike Prichard 5-9.8 182 4.51 Colorado 5.80
15. Linzy Collins 6-0.8 178 4.62 Missouri 5.70
16. Scott Miller 5-10.4 178 4.64 U.C.L.A. 5.60
17. Yancey Thigpen 6-1.1 215 4.75 Winston-Salem St 5.52
18. Brad Lamb 5-10.3 162 4.37 Anderson 5.51
19. Sean Foster 5-11.8 184 4.53 Long Beach St. 5.43
20. Richard Buchanan 5-10.1 172 4.50 Northwestern 5.41
21. Bobby Slaughter 5-11 172 4.62 Louisiana Tech 5.40
22. James Bradley 5-11.5 191 4.50 Michigan St. 5.35
23. Artie Guess 5-11.6 188 4.46 Oklahoma 5.34
24. Randal Hill 5-10.5 179 4.42 Miami 5.34
25. Ernie Mills 5-10.8 181 4.50 Florida 5.32
26. Millard Hamilton 5-9 172 4.42 Clark College 5.30
27. Shawn Wax 6-4 174 4.65 Illinois 5.30
TIGHT END Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
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1. Chris Smith 6-3.6 227 4.78 B.Y.U. 6.50
2. Reggie Johnson 6-2 257 4.63 Florida St. 6.03
3. Frank Hartley 6-2.3 260 4.75 Illinois 6.02
4. Jerry Evans 6-4 244 4.79 Toledo 6.01
5. Adrian Cooper 6-5 250 4.85 Oklahoma 6.00
6. Dennis Ransom 6-3.6 262 5.00 Texas A&M 5.70
7. Kerry Cash 6-4 230 4.75 Texas 5.60
8. Duane Young 6-1.8 276 5.00 Michigan St. 5.60
9. Bruce McGonnigal 6-5.1 221 4.80 Virginia 5.50
10. Matt Swinson 6-4.8 246 4.98 Maine 5.40
11. Randy Austin 6-2.5 245 4.80 U.C.L.A. 5.10
OFFENSIVE TACKLE Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Antone Davis 6-4.8 317 5.00 Tennessee 7.50
2. Pat Harlow 6-5.8 275 5.10 U.S.C. 7.20
3. Stan Thomas 6-5.1 290 5.30 Texas 7.00
4. Charles McRae 6-6.8 291 5.20 Tennessee 6.90
5. Kevin Donmalley 6-5.1 295 5.25 North Carolina 6.80
6. Darryl Jenkins 6-4.8 295 5.66 Georgia Tech 6.50
7. Ike Harris 6-4 285 5.18 South Carolina 6.40
8. Mike Sullivan 6-3.3 269 4.95 Miami 6.20
9. Clarence Jones 6-5.5 275 5.13 Maryland 6.01
10. Mark VanderPoel 6-7.5 304 5.31 Colorado 6.00
11. Ariel Solomon 6-5 272 5.27 Colorado 5.80
12. David Postmus 6-2.6 282 5.10 Dayton 5.51
13. Joe Valerio 6-4.8 290 5.25 Penn 5.51
14. Tom Dohring 6-6 295 5.30 Michigan 5.50
15. Harry Boatswain 6-4.3 286 5.11 New Haven 5.31
16. Mark Hayes 6-5.6 281 5.33 Arizona St. 5.21
17. Mike Kein 6-7 275 5.35 B.Y.U. 5.20
18. Terrill Chatman 6-4 324 5.30 Alabama 5.20
19. Shon Flores 6-2 299 5.29 Arkansas 5.11
20. John Selvestra 6-6.5 279 5.16 Minnesota 5.04
21. Matt McCartin 6-4.6 277 5.09 Penn St. 5.03
22. Rob Selby 6-3 277 5.30 Auburn 5.02
23. Jason Rockhold 6-6.5 295 5.46 Texas A&M 5.01
OFFENSIVE GUARD Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Eric Moten 6-2.9 292 5.10 Michigan St. 6.80
2. Hayward Haynes 6-2 280 4.78 Florida St. 6.10
3. Stacy Long 6-1.6 274 5.07 Clemson 6.01
4. Mark Drabczak 6-4.1 273 5.15 Minnesota 5.90
5. Mark Tucker 6-2.5 260 5.00 U.S.C. 5.70
6. Gene Williams 6-2.3 325 5.31 Iowa St. 5.50
7. Jim Lavin 6-4 280 5.15 Georgia Tech 5.40
8. Turnell Sims 6-2.9 288 5.22 Syracuse 5.40
9. Ben Michell 6-2.9 307 5.49 Toledo 5.30
10. Jeff Pahukoa 6-2.3 290 5.15 Washington 5.30
11. Chad Martin 6-3.1 279 5.24 E. Carolina 5.20
12. Craig Hendrickson 6-3.1 289 5.35 Minnesota 5.10
CENTER Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Chris Thorne 6-4.1 276 5.10 Minnesota 6.90
2. John Flannery 6-3.5 301 5.07 Syracuse 6.01
3. Mike Heldt 6-2.5 285 5.10 Notre Dame 6.00
4. Blake Miller 6-1.6 277 5.01 L.S.U. 5.30
5. Mike Arther 6-4 265 5.15 Texas A&M 5.20
6. Lance Zeno 6-4 278 5.29 U.C.L.A. 4.70
7. Nick Subis 6-4.8 270 5.32 San Diego St. 4.50
8. Dan Beatty 6-2.9 270 5.28 Ohio St. 4.31
9. Carl Ramos 6-1.9 252 5.04 Boise St. 4.30
10. Rob Leudeke 6-5.5 250 5.24 Penn St. 4.02
DEFENSIVE END Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Lamar Rogers 6-3.8 276 4.86 Auburn 7.10
2. Huey Richardson 6-5 236 4.66 Florida 7.00
3. Mel Agee 6-4.8 288 5.09 Illinois 6.90
4. Mike Jones 6-3.4 276 4.93 N. Carolina St. 6.51
5. David Rocker 6-3.1 264 4.95 Auburn 6.50
6. Bob Dahl 6-4.8 261 5.00 Notre Dame 6.00
7. Fernando Horn 6-5 268 4.95 Auburn 6.00
8. Robert Young 6-6.8 261 4.85 Mississippi St. 5.90
9. Mitchell Donahue 6-2.6 253 4.81 Wyoming 5.80
10. Kenny Walker 6-2.8 230 4.73 Nebraska 5.71
11. Tony Ollison 6-3.6 268 4.91 Arkansas 5.70
12. Kelvin Pritchett 6-3 265 4.93 Mississippi 5.70
13. Vance Hammond 6-6.5 300 5.27 Clemson 5.60
14. George Thornton 6-3 293 5.10 Alabama 5.60
15. Andrew Harmon 6-4.1 255 4.71 Kent St. 5.51
16. Ernie Logan 6-3.3 252 4.95 E. Carolina 5.50
17. J.J. Wierenga 6-3.3 276 5.15 Central Michigan 5.50
18. Phil Hansen 6-4.9 259 4.65 N. Dakota St. 5.20
19. Tom Backes 6-5 262 4.94 Oklahoma 5.12
20. Shane Curry 6-5 253 5.07 Miami 5.10
21. Nolan Harrison 6-5.5 280 5.06 Indiana 5.02
22. Mike Sunvoid 6-4.4 254 4.97 Minnesota 5.01
DEFENSIVE TACKLE Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Russell Maryland 6-1 271 4.98 Miami 7.20
2. Morris Gardner 6-2 258 4.88 Illinois 6.80
3. Esara Tuaolo 6-2.3 260 4.82 Oregon St. 6.40
4. Ted Washington 6-4.3 299 5.17 Louisville 6.31
5. Bobby Wilson 6-1 273 5.00 Michigan St. 6.30
6. Chris Zorich 6-0 266 4.75 Notre Dame 6.00
7. Don Gibson 6-2.5 265 5.00 U.S.C. 5.61
8. Paul Glonek 6-4.9 281 4.92 Arizona 5.51
9. James Jones 6-1.3 284 5.01 Northern Iowa 5.50
10. Tim Edwards 6-2.1 269 5.08 Delta St. 5.11
11. George Williams 6-0.5 302 5.10 Notre Dame 5.00
INSIDE LINEBACKER Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Keith Taylor 6-2.4 253 4.69 Central St. 7.00
2. Mike Stonebreaker 6-0.5 250 4.75 Notre Dame 5.70
3. Brian Jones 6-1.1 238 4.70 Texas 5.20
4. Darrin Trieb 6-1.5 238 4.65 Purdue 5.11
5. Darrick Brownlow 5-10.3 237 4.75 Illinois 5.10
6. Pat Tyrance 6-1.8 242 4.51 Nebraska 6.90
7. Terry Crews 6-1.8 235 4.70 Western Michigan 6.70
8. Al Chambie 6-1.3 242 4.81 Virginia Tech 6.60
9. Scott Ross 6-1.5 235 4.90 U.S.C. 6.60
10. Dean Wirkowski 6-1.8 233 4.62 North Dakota 6.51
OUTSIDE LINEBACKER Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Mike Croel 6-2.3 226 4.44 Nebraska 7.50
2. Alfred Williams 6-5.4 229 4.71 Colorado 7.00
3. Kanaks McGhee 6-3.5 246 4.70 Colorado 6.50
4. Godfrey Myles 6-1.6 242 4.50 Florida 6.11
5. Dixon Edwards 6-1 222 4.60 Michigan St. 6.10
6. Roman Phifer 6-2 225 4.65 U.C.L.A. 6.00
7. James Goode 6-2.6 242 4.49 Oklahoma 5.91
8. Craig Hartsuyke 6-3 219 4.70 U.S.C. 5.90
9. Rocen Keeton 6-2 242 4.68 U.C.L.A. 5.81
10. William Thomas 6-2.6 207 4.71 Texas A&M 5.80
11. Brian Cox 6-3.6 222 4.73 Western Illinois 5.70
12. Tony Hill 6-6.3 229 4.75 Tenn-Chattanooga 5.61
13. Kevin Harris 6-5 238 4.78 Texas Southern 5.60
14. Carlos Jenkins 6-3.5 212 4.65 Michigan St. 5.51
15. Reggie Burnette 6-2 229 4.75 Houston 5.50
16. Morris Lewis 6-4 227 4.85 Georgia 5.30
17. Ivan Caesar 6-1.8 225 4.73 Boston College 5.20
18. John Johnson 6-3.7 220 4.52 Clemson 5.13
19. Anthony Moss 6-3.9 239 4.81 Florida St. 5.12
20. Theron Ellis 6-1.1 241 4.77 West Virginia 5.10
21. Clarence Siler 6-3 240 5.10 Cal St-Fullerton 5.10
22. Kevin Pearson 6-3.1 235 4.80 Boston College 5.00
CORNERBACK Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Todd Lyght 6-1 184 4.45 Notre Dame 8.00
2. Aeneas Williams 5-10.1 190 4.38 Southern 7.00
3. Steve Jackson 5-8.5 182 4.45 Purdue 6.70
4. Henry Jones 5-11.8 196 4.50 Illinois 6.61
5. Darryl Lewis 5-8.6 182 4.58 Arizona 6.60
6. Vincent Clark 6-0 186 4.39 Ohio St. 6.51
7. Marcus Robertson 5-11 193 4.50 Iowa St. 6.50
8. Bernard Ellison 6-0.4 192 4.59 Nevada-Reno 6.32
9. Jerome Henderson 5-10.9 188 4.42 Clemson 6.31
10. David McCloughan 6-0.1 184 4.65 Colorado 6.30
11. Joe Johnson 5-8.8 185 4.48 N. Carolina St. 6.20
12. Brian Mitchell 5-9.8 169 4.48 B.Y.U. 6.10
13. Reggie Jones 6-1 202 4.50 Memphis St. 6.03
14. Chris Green 5-11 183 4.50 Illinois 6.02
15. Bruce Pickens 5-11 191 4.50 Nebraska 6.01
16. Merton Hanks 6-1.6 174 4.60 Iowa 6.00
17. Richard Fain 5-10.1 188 4.45 Florida 5.80
18. Herbie Anderson 5-10 183 4.56 Texas A&I 5.60
19. Tahaun Lewis 5-10.3 170 4.41 Nebraska 5.50
20. Kevin Scott 5-9 168 4.42 Stanford 5.30
21. Todd Scott 5-10.4 207 4.54 S.W. Louisiana 5.20
22. Larry Brown 5-11.5 187 4.50 T.C.U. 5.12
23. Eric Ramsey 5-11.6 187 4.61 Auburn 5.11
24. Eddie Godfrey 5-8.5 180 4.45 Western Kentucky 5.10
25. Shawn Vincent 5-9.3 174 4.60 Akron 5.10
26. Simmie Carter 5-11 186 4.63 S. Mississippi 5.00
SAFETY Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Mike Dumas 5-11 175 4.50 Indiana 6.60
2. Trip Wilborne 6-0.6 204 4.54 Michigan 6.60
3. Tim James 6-1.3 211 4.56 Colorado 6.51
4. Eric Turner 6-1 207 4.68 U.C.L.A. 6.50
5. Stanley Richard 6-1.6 197 4.50 Texas 6.20
6. Floyd Fields 6-0.8 208 4.55 Arizona St. 5.91
7. Lamar McGriggs 6-2.9 200 4.51 Western Illinois 5.90
8. Darrell Beavers 6-2.6 214 4.46 Morehead 5.81
9. Larry Horton 5-10.9 179 4.62 Texas A&M 5.80
10. Fernandus Vinson 5-10.8 201 4.56 N. Carolina St. 5.70
11. Louis Riddick 6-2 217 4.57 Pittsburgh 5.60
12. John Fowlkes 5-10.6 185 4.60 Wesley 5.40
13. Efrum Thomas 5-11.6 188 4.50 Alabama 5.40
14. Tim Lance 5-11.8 204 4.65 Eastern Illinois 5.31
15. Reggie Cooper 6-2.5 210 4.70 Nebraska 5.20
16. John Wiley 5-11.4 187 4.62 Auburn 5.11
17. Micheal Welch 6-1.8 200 4.65 Baylor 5.10
PLACEKICKER Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Brian Greenfield 5-11 222 5.40 Pittsburgh 6.00
2. Paul Alsbury 6-1.9 203 4.85 Southwest Texas 4.80
3. Greg Hertzog 5-8.9 182 4.79 West Virginia 4.60
4. Jeff Fite 6-0.8 206 5.02 Memphis St. 4.41
5. Eric Nyhus 6-4.5 184 5.20 Washington (Mo.) 4.40
6. Alex Waits 6-1 200 4.90 Texas 4.30
7. Tom Rouen 6-1.4 221 5.00 Colorado 4.20
PUNTER Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
--- --- --- ------- ---
1. Robbie Keen 6-3.1 213 5.21 California 5.00
2. Mike Pollack 5-8 170 4.85 Texas 4.80
3. Jeff Shudak 5-8.9 174 5.03 Iowa St. 4.60
4. John Kasay 5-10 180 5.00 Georgia 4.50
5. Ed Beaulac 6-0.1 196 4.95 Cal.-Sonoma 4.40
6. Jim Hodson 5-9.5 172 4.91 Lafayette 4.30
7. R.D. Lashar 5-11 185 4.90 Oklahoma 4.20
8. Cary Blanchard 6-1.3 223 5.08 Oklahoma St. 4.10
9. John Langelon 6-1 180 4.80 Michigan St. 4.00
R.Jayakrishnan.Civilengg
>
> Here is a list of the NFL Scouting Combine Player Ratings after
> the combine workouts in Indianapolis last month.
>
> --- --- --- ------- ---
> 1. Brian Greenfield 5-11 222 5.40 Pittsburgh 6.00
> 2. Paul Alsbury 6-1.9 203 4.85 Southwest Texas 4.80
> 3. Greg Hertzog 5-8.9 182 4.79 West Virginia 4.60
> 4. Jeff Fite 6-0.8 206 5.02 Memphis St. 4.41
> 5. Eric Nyhus 6-4.5 184 5.20 Washington (Mo.) 4.40
> 6. Alex Waits 6-1 200 4.90 Texas 4.30
> 7. Tom Rouen 6-1.4 221 5.00 Colorado 4.20
>
>
> PUNTER Hgt Wgt Spd College NSC
> --- --- --- ------- ---
> 1. Robbie Keen 6-3.1 213 5.21 California 5.00
> 2. Mike Pollack 5-8 170 4.85 Texas 4.80
> 3. Jeff Shudak 5-8.9 174 5.03 Iowa St. 4.60
> 4. John Kasay 5-10 180 5.00 Georgia 4.50
> 5. Ed Beaulac 6-0.1 196 4.95 Cal.-Sonoma 4.40
> 6. Jim Hodson 5-9.5 172 4.91 Lafayette 4.30
> 7. R.D. Lashar 5-11 185 4.90 Oklahoma 4.20
> 8. Cary Blanchard 6-1.3 223 5.08 Oklahoma St. 4.10
> 9. John Langelon 6-1 180 4.80 Michigan St. 4.00
These two categories have been reversed. I know for sure that Mike
Pollack is a kicker and Alex Waits is a punter.
BTW, what happened to Chris Doyle of Alabama ? I always thought he
was the best kicker to come out this year.
GO HORNS !!
J.K. R. Jayakrishnan jay...@emx.utexas.edu
Michael Zimmers
> the combine workouts in Indianapolis last month.
>
> Rating scale : 9.0 sure rookie starter
> 8.0 should start as rookie
> 7.0 eventual starter
> 6.0 backup as a rookie
> 5.0 should contribute as rookie
> 4.0 prospect worth drafting
[list deleted...]
So, with no 9s and only two 8s, can we conclude that this is an
especially cruddy draft?
Jigsaw
>
>I have re-sorted John's list according according to the NSC rating.
>Each player's name is preceded by his position and his relative
>ranking among players in the same position.
>
>Enjoy.
>
Thanks. I did enjoy it. One observation is that 12 of the lowest rated
16 on the list are kickers. Does this mean this draft is especially weak in
kickers, or are kickers just rated lower than more key positions like QBs?
me
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.
.
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TA...@psuvm.psu.edu
Hmmm, not neccesarily. The only 9 rating that I can recall in the '80s was when
Bo Jackson came out (9.0). The Combine is naturally conservative with their
ratings so that their credibility won't plummet when players they notched as
"can't miss" fail miserably (exs: OT Brian Jozwiak (KC), DT Ted Gregory (Den)).
Looking over the list, I'm shocked that QB Tommy Bill is ranked #9 over a guy
like Musgrave. I think that Bill is a pretty workmanlike QB who will give
whatever team drafts him their money's worth, but he didn't start this year at
Penn State and so didn't get much exposure. He DID step in during the FSU game
and showed good arm strength and leadership skills. A prospect.
The few games I saw Todd Lyght, I was unimpressed, considering he is promoted
as a *super* cover guy, a la Mike Haynes. He looked beatable last year, IMHO.
Tom Gryn..............................tag2@psuvm.psu.edu
Ying/Yang: "There is more than one way to play the game of Life/
There are only so many ways to play the game of Life."
David L. Yee
>The few games I saw Todd Lyght, I was unimpressed, considering he is promoted
>as a *super* cover guy, a la Mike Haynes. He looked beatable last year, IMHO.
>
>Tom Gryn..............................tag2@psuvm.psu.edu
>Ying/Yang: "There is more than one way to play the game of Life/
> There are only so many ways to play the game of Life."
I think most of this is due to the fact he played injured last year. If
healthy, he should be the top CB. He does not have sprinter's speed, but
surprisingly many top CB's do not have such track time speeds. They have
economy of motion, a smooth backpedal and/or turn, and have long-distance
catch-up speed. Tood Lyght has these attributes, and he is a big CB. In
the future the big WR may make a comeback, and the little 5'9" CB may
be hardpressed to defend guys like Al Toon and Rob Moore. Look at the
draft prospect list- the top 3 WR's are all 6'2" and over.
David L. Yee
Email to:dav...@sumax.seattleu.edu
Ronnie Townsend
>Thanks for the list.
>
>I have two impressions upon a quick reading of the ratings list.
>One, there seems to be a lack of speed. Only three people even broke the
>4.4 barrier. At one time, the Redskins had three people faster than anyone
>on that list. Though, to show that speed isn't everything, two of these people,
>Davis and Oliphant, have gone on to less greener pastures.
Just remember that the fastest guy in the draft, The Rocket, aint on that
list. Also keep in mind that this combine is held in February when most of
those guys are in marginal to decent shape but certainly not top
condition. The combine rarely turns up more than four or five sub 4.4
burners. Summer training camp will get at least twice as many of them
under that mark. Since most of this shit is hand-timed you can't take it
all that seriously. They once timed Bo Jackson in 4.1 in the 40 at Auburn.
Just because it's not humanly possible (yet) is no reason not to report it
in the press guide.
>Two people piqued my interest:
>
>halfback: 2. Nick Bell 6-2 259 4.54 Iowa 7.20
>linebacker: 1. Mike Croel 6-2.3 226 4.44 Nebraska 7.50
>
>Bell is fast for such a big man. Croel is fast for *any* man, much
>less a linebacker.
Nebraska has turned out a number of sub 4.5 linebackers in the last few years,
Thomas, Etienne etc. They have generally taken some time to adapt to the pro
game. Usually, these are running backs who got moved to LB when it became
apparent that the 'P' in PT was for PINE not PLAYING at RB. I don't know
much about Croel but I would be cautious just based on the history of
Nebraska LB's lately. Bell I don't know much about either but he sounds
like another Christian (Stiff) Okoye.
Ronnie T.
Chris Stassen
d...@kossy.jhuapl.edu.UUCP (Jigsaw) writes:
> I have two impressions upon a quick reading of the ratings list. One,
> there seems to be a lack of speed. Only three people even broke the
> 4.4 barrier. At one time, the Redskins had three people faster than anyone
> on that list.
I recently saw a list of the timings of the OSU football team in
the 40-yard dash. The remark below the numbers was that electronic
timings were 'converted' to stopwatch values BY SUBTRACTING 0.2
SECONDS. (Why subtract 0.2 seconds? My guess is to make up for the
reaction time of the guy running the stopwatch.)
Perhaps the combine timings were the electronic variety, which yield
'slower' times?
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Todd Christensen
With regards to kickers/punters, I would like to combine reports on Chris
Gardocki, a junior out of Clemson. He was in the top ten in both categories for
most of last year.
He might be worth a high-round pick due to his strength and versatility. He
can consistently bag 60-yard attempts.
Bill Mangione-Smith
If he could bag 60 yard attempts with even a 45% success rate, he would be a
number one draft choice and the best damn kicker in the history of both the
NCAA and the NFL. We shall see...
bill
Dennis Doubleday
>If he could bag 60 yard attempts with even a 45% success rate, he would be a
>number one draft choice and the best damn kicker in the history of both the
>NCAA and the NFL. We shall see...
Such a kicker would present an interesting dilemma for his coach. How
best to utilize him? A 60 yard FG attempt would typically start from
the 43-yard line, the holder setting up at midfield. If I were coach,
would I let this mythical kicker attempt a FG any time I had 4th down
at the 43? 45% of the time he'd make it, 3 points for the good guys.
55% of the time he'd miss, and my opponent would get the ball at the
43, instead of somewhere in the range of the 1 to the 20, lets call it
about the 15 on average to be conservative. Is the 45% chance of 3
points worth the 55% chance of giving up about 28 yards in field
position? I don't know, but a lot more successful TD drives start at
the 43 than at the 15.
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Rainer Sachs
...Is the 45% chance of 3
>points worth the 55% chance of giving up about 28 yards in field
>position? I don't know, but a lot more successful TD drives start at
>the 43 than at the 15.
Somebody must (or should) have this stat. By looking at lots of
games it would be easy to assign point values to various
situations: 1st and 10 on your own forty with lots of time is
worth (say) 1 point on the average; 3d and 5 on the opponents
20 is worth (say) 4.5 points, 3d and 8 on your own 10 worth -1/2 points
or whatever and so on. Such a table wouldn't take into account
team idiosyncracies (if your quarterback is Lamonica, the only
thing that matters is what down it is, your own 20 and the
opponents twenty being virtually equivalent :-)) or the game score
and time remaining, but it would give a baseline and I bet
deviations wouldn't actually be too large. Has anyone compiled
this? If so, give us some examples.
ethan miller
%In article <17...@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> tchr...@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Todd Christensen) writes:
%
% With regards to kickers/punters, I would like to combine reports on Chris
% Gardocki, a junior out of Clemson. He was in the top ten in both categories for
% most of last year.
%
% He might be worth a high-round pick due to his strength and versatility. He
% can consistently bag 60-yard attempts.
%
%If he could bag 60 yard attempts with even a 45% success rate, he would be a
%number one draft choice and the best damn kicker in the history of both the
%NCAA and the NFL. We shall see...
As far as I know, only two people have ever kicked a field goal of at
least 60 yards in an NFL game. One of them was (of course) Tom Dempsey,
who won a game for the Saints against the Lions with a last-second
63-yarder. The other was Steve(?) Cox, who kicked one of 60 yards once.
Actually, Cox was the punter for the Redskins for a while (they got
him from Cleveland, I think), and was brought in for 50+ yard FGs
as well. If this guy can hit *anything* from 60 yards or more, he'll
be one of the strongest kickers ever. Of course, he'd better be
accurate from under 40, or he won't keep his job long enough to try
those 60-yard FGs (unless he's the punter).
ethan
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See the article "Optimal stragies on fourth down", MANAGEMENT SCIENCE 24,
pp. 1758-1762 by Virgil Carter (former QB of the Bears) and Robert
Machol. As I recall, they conclude that pro teams attempt FGs too often.
Dan Heyman
Jeff Martens
>See the article "Optimal stragies on fourth down", MANAGEMENT SCIENCE 24,
>pp. 1758-1762 by Virgil Carter (former QB of the Bears) and Robert
>Machol. As I recall, they conclude that pro teams attempt FGs too often.
>Dan Heyman
Carter may have spent the last year or two of his career with the
Bears, but most of his career he started for Cincinnatti. This was in
the early 70s, pre Ken Anderson and post Greg Cook.
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engineering community: in the 3/10/91 _Detroit News_, there was a
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Andrew A. Anda
>In article <1991Mar22....@bellcore.bellcore.com> d...@breeze.UUCP (Daniel P Heyman) writes:
>
>>See the article "Optimal stragies on fourth down", MANAGEMENT SCIENCE 24,
>>pp. 1758-1762 by Virgil Carter (former QB of the Bears) and Robert
>>Machol. As I recall, they conclude that pro teams attempt FGs too often.
>>Dan Heyman
>
>Carter may have spent the last year or two of his career with the
>Bears, but most of his career he started for Cincinnatti. This was in
>the early 70s, pre Ken Anderson and post Greg Cook.
>--
>-- Jeff (mar...@cis.ohio-state.edu)
I believe your chronology is in error:
I was but a lad, but I seem to remember that Carter was the first
exciting AND good quarterback the Bears had in a while. But, as
with McMahon, he had a falling out with management (Halas) and was
sent packing. He then landed with the Bengals where he enjoyed a
good career. If anyone remembers the details of the "Chicken
(bleep)" incident which earned Carter his walking papers, please
post. (One of my fond memories of childhood is when at a banquet,
I met and talked with Carter when he was a Bears QB) I wish he had
stayed with the Bears.
&yA&a
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