49ers all-time team
MIKE W. SEDA
***MIKE***
kalle.k...@bws.pp.fi wrote:
: I'm not going to post an all-time team, as I've been a Niner fan only 5
: years or so. (I'm not a bandwagoner, NFL football just didn't come to
: Finland much earlier.) But here's my opinion on the team of the 80's and
: 90's so far. Some guys from the early 80's might also be missing. Correct
: me if you all OLD 49ers fans have something to say.
: The team is in depth chart format (no Off. line):
: QB: Joe Montana, Steve Young
: RB: Roger Craig, Wendell Tyler, Ricky Watters
: FB: Tom Rathman, William Floyd (is he too young for this?)
: WR: Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, John Taylor, Freddie Solomon
: TE: Brent Jones, Frank (what was his 1st name?)
: DE: Fred Dean
: DT: Michael Carter ???
: OLB: Charles Haley, Keena Turner
: ILB: Hacksaw Reynolds, Matt Millen
: CB: Deion Sanders ??, Eric Wright, Tim McKyer
: SS: Jeff Fuller, Tim McDonald
: FS: Ronnie Lott, Merton Hanks
: K: Ray Wersching
: P: When was the last time they had a good punter?
: KR: Dexter Carter
: PR: John Taylor
: Head Coach: Bill Walsh
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Rick Brusuelas
Frankie Albert, John Brodie will deserve consideration.
> RB: Roger Craig, Wendell Tyler, Ricky Watters
Hmm... Hugh McElhenny, Joe "the Jet" Perry would be my choices as #1 and #2
then Craig.
> FB: Tom Rathman, William Floyd (is he too young for this?)
Ken Willard gets some consideration here.
> WR: Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, John Taylor, Freddie Solomon
RC Owens, Gene Washington. I might even choose Washington as #2. And
JJ Stokes ;-)
> TE: Brent Jones, Frank (what was his 1st name?)
I don't know.. what was his name? Seriously, Russ Francis would be #2.
> DE: Fred Dean
Cedric Hardman and Tommy Hart were great bookend ends. I would take
these two over Dean. Saw Hardman at a Walmart signing stuff. Still
huge and mean looking. Probably could still get a few sacks.
> DT: Michael Carter ???
And certainly Stubblefield and Young will soon make this list.
> CB: Deion Sanders ??, Eric Wright, Tim McKyer
Jimmy Johnson. 'Nuff said.
> Head Coach: Bill Walsh
Wha? no Monte Clark? Siefert should get a lot of consideration. And
Dick Nolan was an excellent coach. I believe Buck Shaw coached the 49ers
in the old, old days.
Rick Brusuelas
Sun Library
kalle.k...@bws.pp.fi
years or so. (I'm not a bandwagoner, NFL football just didn't come to
Finland much earlier.) But here's my opinion on the team of the 80's and
90's so far. Some guys from the early 80's might also be missing. Correct
me if you all OLD 49ers fans have something to say.
The team is in depth chart format (no Off. line):
QB: Joe Montana, Steve Young
RB: Roger Craig, Wendell Tyler, Ricky Watters
FB: Tom Rathman, William Floyd (is he too young for this?)
WR: Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, John Taylor, Freddie Solomon
TE: Brent Jones, Frank (what was his 1st name?)
DE: Fred Dean
DT: Michael Carter ???
OLB: Charles Haley, Keena Turner
ILB: Hacksaw Reynolds, Matt Millen
CB: Deion Sanders ??, Eric Wright, Tim McKyer
Sullys Maze
god...@dogpower.Corp.Sun.COM (Rick Brusuelas) writes:
>In article m...@idefix.eunet.fi, kalle.k...@bws.pp.fi () writes:
>
What, not Steve Spurrier?
>
>> RB: Roger Craig, Wendell Tyler, Ricky Watters
>
>Hmm... Hugh McElhenny, Joe "the Jet" Perry would be my choices as #1 and #2
>then Craig.
I go Perry-Craig as my RB-FB combo. I loved Willard, but this is
how I got it.
>> WR: Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, John Taylor, Freddie Solomon
>
>RC Owens, Gene Washington. I might even choose Washington as #2. And
>JJ Stokes ;-)
Rice and (Owens or Washington)
>
>> TE: Brent Jones, Frank (what was his 1st name?)
>
>I don't know.. what was his name? Seriously, Russ Francis would be #2.
John Frank really had one good year. Ted Kwalick's the man here
though, but Brent is catching up.
>
>> DE: Fred Dean
>
>Cedric Hardman and Tommy Hart were great bookend ends. I would take
>these two over Dean. Saw Hardman at a Walmart signing stuff. Still
>huge and mean looking. Probably could still get a few sacks.
You got this right, I might make Hart-Dean a dead heat though.
Honorable mention to Kevin Fagan, few understand what he brought to
the Niners in their 89-90 championship run.
>
>> DT: Michael Carter ???
>
>And certainly Stubblefield and Young will soon make this list.
Until they do, put in Carter and Charlie Krueger with Hardy Brown as
honorable mention.
>
>> CB: Deion Sanders ??, Eric Wright, Tim McKyer
>
>Jimmy Johnson. 'Nuff said.
GET MCKYER OUT OF THERE!!! Johnson-Wright-Lott-Williamson(Carleton
not Fred!) is my dream D-backfield with Jeff Fuller as nickel back.
Deion needs to play a few more years here.
>
>> Head Coach: Bill Walsh
>
>Wha? no Monte Clark? Siefert should get a lot of consideration. And
>Dick Nolan was an excellent coach. I believe Buck Shaw coached the 49ers
>in the old, old days.
>
>Rick Brusuelas
>Sun Library
>
Here's the rest of my alltime roster, where I put slashes is where
I could go either way:
T Bob St Clair
T Harris Barton
G Randy Cross
G Guy McIntire
C Forrest Blue
K Ray Wershing
P Tommy Davis
PR John Taylor /Bruce Taylor
KR Vic Washington
defense:
LB Keena Turner
LB Jack Reynolds / Frank Nunley
LB Dave Wilcox
Mike Sullivan
Rick Brusuelas
> >> QB: Joe Montana, Steve Young
> >Frankie Albert, John Brodie will deserve consideration.
>
> What, not Steve Spurrier?
Spurrier (better known as a college coach than player)
was the stopgap between the Brodie and Montana
years (along with a much underrated Steve DeBerg).
> I go Perry-Craig as my RB-FB combo. I loved Willard, but this is
> how I got it.
Craig made his impact at RB, though his early years alongside
Tyler were at FB. Willard was a true FB.
> >> TE: Brent Jones, Frank (what was his 1st name?)
> >I don't know.. what was his name? Seriously, Russ Francis would be #2.
>
> John Frank really had one good year. Ted Kwalick's the man here
> though, but Brent is catching up.
I knew I forgot someone here [embarrassment]. Francis had some
big years here after New England, but Kwalick was almost
as good a blocker as Francis but a much better receiver (like
Brent Jones, he would kill opponents on deep routes).
> >> DT: Michael Carter ???
> >And certainly Stubblefield and Young will soon make this list.
>
> Until they do, put in Carter and Charlie Krueger with Hardy Brown as
> honorable mention.
Krueger was definitely deserving of mention. He brings back
memories of old grizzled DTs, spitting on OL men as they
drag down RBs attempting to go through. I believe Krueger
would have been a great DT alongside Alex Karras. ;-)
Still, I wonder if he would have been fast enough for today's
game?
> LB Jack Reynolds / Frank Nunley
> LB Dave Wilcox
Nunley as MLB was an inspired pick. Another "throwback" player...
tough, grizzled. I briefly considered Dave Wilcox here...
certainly the 49ers best OLB of his time, but I can remember
a number of games when he would pad his tackles by being the
last man on the pile.
I am surprised noone named my favorite kicker... Steve Mikameyer (sp?),
known affectionately as Steve Miss-a-mile". Made Cofer even seem
like a great kicker (to be honest, Cofer had a few good years).
Rick Brusuelas
Sun Library
Peter Ohm
fan on the planet, seriously. ok anyways the only changes i would dois:
TE would have to be Dwight Clark, if you can remeber "The catch" in the 1984
championship game agaisnt Dallas, which is probably what put him over the top
of the rest.
RB Ricky Watters wasnt really there long enough to establish himself in SF,
anyways hes a greedy player.
SS ronnie Lott played Strong Saftey
P and as for punters your right i dont think in all of the 49ners history has
there been a predominant punter who would stand out. pete
Jason Lau
> If you're such a big fan, you would know that it was the '81 Championship
season. Dwight Clark was a WR, not a TE. Another thing you overlooked was
that Ronnie Lott played free safety, not SS!
Satish Nair
>Your list was pretty acurate and good choices,
>by the way iam the biggest 49ner fan on the planet, seriously.
Ya.
>TE would have to be Dwight Clark,
I would place Jerry Rice here... he was a better TE.
>if you can remeber "The catch" in the 1984
Yea, that great catch in 1984 over Marcus Allen was defending on
the play...
>SS ronnie Lott played Strong Saftey
And sometimes he also played TE.
(standard disclaimers apply for the humour impaired)
satish nair
kalle.k...@bws.pp.fi
>Your list was pretty acurate and good choices, by the way iam the biggest
>49ner fan on the planet, seriously. ok anyways the only changes i would dois:
>
>TE would have to be Dwight Clark, if you can remeber "The catch" in the 1984
>championship game agaisnt Dallas, which is probably what put him over the top
>of the rest.
>RB Ricky Watters wasnt really there long enough to establish himself in SF,
>anyways hes a greedy player.
>SS ronnie Lott played Strong Saftey
What the hell are you talking about. The biggest Niner fan???????
Dwight Clark was definately a wide receiver, not a tight end. By the way,
THE CATCH was in the 1981 champiuonship game against Dallas, not '84.
And Ronnie Lott started his career as a cornerback when he was drafted in '81.
Some time in the early 80's he moved to free safety. The first time he
played SS was with the Raiders in '92!
I admire how much the biggest 49er fan knows about the team!
P.S. You POSSIBLY MAY be right about Watters!!
P.S. Were you really serious?
Kalle
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Dwight Clark was not a TE, he was a wide receiver and a good one.
Ted Kwalick was a dreadful blocker; he was really a wide receiver in a
tight-ends body.
Ken Willard could do one thing well - run straight ahead.
Some of the neglected names that come to mind as candidates for me are:
WR: Billy Wilson
FB: John Henry Johnson
RB: J.D. Smith, Delvin Williams
OL: John Thomas, Bruce Bosley
QB: Y.A. Title
DL: Leo Nomellini, Tommy Hart
PUNTER: Tommy Davis
DB: Dave Baker
These were all great 49ers.
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Sullys Maze
ec...@ccnet.com (El Cerrito Library) writes:
>
>Ted Kwalick was a dreadful blocker; he was really a wide receiver in a
>tight-ends body.
horsepucky. You must have watched him with the Raiders. Kwalick
could stick with the best.
>
>Ken Willard could do one thing well - run straight ahead.
and he could block well too.
>
>Some of the neglected names that come to mind as candidates for me are:
>
>WR: Billy Wilson
If you are considering Wilson as an alltime great 49er with the
likes of Wash, Rice, Owens, then you should also include John David
Crow. :^)
>FB: John Henry Johnson
good pick.
>RB: J.D. Smith, Delvin Williams
yech.
>OL: John Thomas, Bruce Bosley
>QB: Y.A. Title
gee, didn't Jim(wristbands) Hart play here a couple years? Niners
have had a wealth of great QBs, but they're topped out by Brodie and
Montana. Everyone else gets mentioned honorably but not
all-timingly. Young shall join the list in several years.
>
>DL: Leo Nomellini, Tommy Hart
I reluctantly pulled Hart off my list in favor of Carter.
>PUNTER: Tommy Davis
>DB: Dave Baker
>
>These were all great 49ers.
They were all fine 49ers, yes, this looks like a list of the alltime
Burger King franchise owners in the Bay Area though.
Mike
GaryMRosen
Hugh "the King" McIlhenny (sp?) yet - I'm pretty sure he's in the HOF.
And true '9er fans (not the ones who think Dwight Clark was a DE or
whatever!)
will never forget RB Paul Hofer (not Cofer) who gave his all during the
dark days of '78-'79 when a .500 season seemed like an impossible dream.
Sadly, his career was cut short by injury just as we saw the light at the
end
of the tunnel.
- Gary Rosen
Gerry Daly
> QB: Y.A. Title
Please put him with the team he was great with. Or should we call Joe
Montana a great Chief?
>
> These were all great 49ers.
Except Title, a great Giant.
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Who is John Galt?
"You gotta be cruel to be kind, in the right measure." Nick Lowe
GaryMRosen
>Unless I'm losing my eyesight, it seems nobody has mentioned halfback
>Hugh "the King" McIlhenny (sp?) yet - I'm pretty sure he's in the HOF.
Oops! Someone *did* mention him - but didn't he play tight end? :^)
- Gary Rosen
Dion Mathewson
bad he did it for the RAIDERS!!!!!
Terry Cannon
NFL team.
Here is the SF All-Time Team:
WR J. Rice* DE C. Hardman
TE B.Jones DT C.Krueger
T L. Nomellini DT M.Carter
G G. McIntyre DE T. Hart
C F. Blue LB D. Wilcox
G B.Banucci LB C. Haley
T B. St.Clair LB M.Hazeltine
WR B.Wilson CB K. Alexander
QB J. Montana S J. Johnson
RB H. McElhenny S R. Lott
RB J. Perry CB A. Woodson
PK R. Wersching P T. Davis
* = Current ST A. Woodson
BTW: Athlon also projects San Francisco to better Dallas in the NFC
Championship and whip up on Pittsburgh in Super Bowl XXX.
Terry
Joseph Boyle
: Your list was pretty acurate and good choices, by the way iam the biggest 49ner
: fan on the planet, seriously. ok anyways the only changes i would dois:
:
: TE would have to be Dwight Clark, if you can remeber "The catch" in the 1984
: championship game agaisnt Dallas, which is probably what put him over the top
: of the rest.
: RB Ricky Watters wasnt really there long enough to establish himself in SF,
: anyways hes a greedy player.
: SS ronnie Lott played Strong Saftey
: P and as for punters your right i dont think in all of the 49ners history has
: there been a predominant punter who would stand out. pete
they have what it takes to be right there every season. With the additon
of Deon Sanders, Ricky Watters, they were unstopable. Watch for a repeat
season in 1995!!
Jack M. LaPedis
Boyle) wrote:
Dwight Clark was a Wide Receiver, not a Tight End. "The Catch" was in the
1981 Championship game in Jan. 1982.
Ronnie Lott Started his pro career as a Corner Back. He moved to Free
Safety and then to Strong Safety. He was an All-Pro at all three
positions.
As for Punter, the 49ers don't have a "great tradition" of good punters,
but Tommy Davis was a Pro-Bowler and All-Pro for many years in the 70's
(he also doubled as a kicker for a few years).
Below is a reprint and update of my list of the five greatest players
that have ever played for the Niners at each position (plus some extras).
Obviously, I was not able to watch them all play live, but I have
researched this a little via stats and NFL Films (in addition to my
father, who has seen the Niners play since the 50's). Please, let me know
what you think!
Quarterbacks:
1. Joe Montana
2. Steve Young
3. John Brodie
4. Frankie Albert
5. Y.A. Title
Running Backs:
1. Fletcher "Joe" Perry
2. Hugh McElhenny
3. Ken Willard
4. Roger Craig
5. Delvin Williams
Wide Recievers:
1. Jerry Rice
2. Dwight Clark
3. Gene Washington
4. Billy Wilson
5. R.C. Owens
(Also Freddie Solomon and John Taylor)
Tight Ends:
1. Russ Francis
2. Ted Kwalick
3. Brent Jones
4. Charlie Young
5. Dr. John Frank
Offensive Line:
1. Randy Cross
2. Forrest Blue
3. Bob St. Clair
4. Jesse Salpolu
4. Keith Fahnhorst
(Also Guy McIntyre and Harris Barton)
Kickers:
1. Ray Wersching
2. Bruce Gossett
3. Tommy Davis
4. Mike Cofer
5. Gordy Soltau
(Don't forget Steve "Miss-a-Mile" Mike-Mayer!)
Defensive Line:
1. Fred Dean
2. Leo Nomellini
3. Charlie Krueger
4. Cedrick Hardman
5. Dwayne Board
(Also Tommy Hart and Michael Carter)
(Dana Stubblefield and Bryant Young will probably be on this list soon)
Linebackers:
1. Dave Wilcox
2. Keena Turner
3. Jack "Hacksaw" Reynolds
4. Willie Harper
5. (Sorry, I need help here)
Defensive Backs:
1. Ronnie Lott
2. Jimmy Johnson
3. Eric Wright
4. Kermit Alexander
5. Bruce Taylor
(Also Don Griffin, Dwight Hicks and Merton Hanks (at safety))
(Deion?)
(Jeff Fuller would have been here if not for injury)
Punters:
1. Tommy Davis
2. Tom Wittum
3. Max Runager
4. Steve Spurrier
5. Jim Miller
Kickoff Returners:
1. Abe Woodson
2. Joe Arenas
3. Vic Washington
4. James Owens
5. Kermit Alexander
Punt Returners:
1. Dana McLemore
2. John Taylor
3. Bruce Taylor
4. Abe Woodson
5. Freddie Solomon
(Also Ralph McGill and Don Griffin)
Coach:
1. Bill Walsh (102-63-1, 3 Super Bowls)
2. George Seifert (81-24-0, 2 Super Bowls)
3. Dick Nolan (56-56-5)
4. Howard "Red" Hickey (27-27-1)
5. Frankie Albert (19-17-1)
Team (Top 10):
1. 1984 (18-1, Super Bowl Champs, completely dominant)
2. 1989 (17-2, Super Bowl Champs, completely dominant)
3. 1994 (16-3, Super Bowl Champs, completely dominant, except for Eagles game)
4. 1987 (13-3, Lead the league in every important statistic, Lost to
Vikings in 1st Round of Playoffs)
5. 1992 (15-3, Lost to Cowboys in NFC Championship Game)
6. 1988 (13-6, Super Bowl Champs, overcame injuries to make the playoffs
then beat the Bears in Chicago)
7. 1990 (15-3, Lost to Giants in NFC Championship Game)
8. 1981 (16-3, Super Bowl Champs, out of nowhere)
9. 1991 (10-6, Missed Playoffs, but was the best team in the league last
half of season. If not for fluke loss to Altanta, would have won the Super
Bowl)
10. 1993 (11-7, Lost to Cowboys in NFC Championship Game)
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