O'donnel Bribed
Walter Stecko
game. Simple as that. If it can happen in European , Asian, and South
American football, it can certanily happen in the U.S. Wake up people! Las
Vegas made over $70 million and that's only the legal betting.
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John Bicknell
Get a glimmer, man. Most betting is done on the spread. If O'Donnell was
paid to throw the game, he should be getting his knees broken, right now.
The Steelers covered the 13-1/2 point spread.
Try again after you get a brain.
John Bicknell
Marty
: The only reason O'donnel was nervous was because he got paid off to throw the
: game. Simple as that. If it can happen in European , Asian, and South
: American football, it can certanily happen in the U.S. Wake up people! Las
: Vegas made over $70 million and that's only the legal betting.
As I recall the steelers covered the SB, so it would make no difference
in Vegas whether they won or lost as long as they covered. Why then,
would they (whomever "they" are) bribe O'Donnel to cover but still
lose? Your argument seems to be kind of weak, Conspiracy Boy.
I think that the receiver simply mis-read the blitz (in both int's) and
didn't run a hot route. Hence when O'Donnel passed, there was only Mr.
Brown around for the easy pick. Mistakes were made, but I doubt anyone
was "bought."
-right
marty
Raul Villaronga
> Contrary to the replies There would be big money available if someone
> threw the game, because most bets ar on the spread doesnt mean
> you can't bet on a straight win.
Unless I just don't understand this thread, it doesn't make since for
the underdog QB to throw the game, since they aren't expected to win.
With the line that high, there must have been a good bit of money on
Dallas winning. Now, if Aikman threw the game and the Cowboys would
have lost, the bookies would have made more money because the favorite
lost, right?
If I have this wrong, someone please explain it to me. Thanks.
Raul Villaronga
1996 Super Bowl Champion Dallas Cowboys!!
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Tim Downie
: The only reason O'donnel was nervous was because he got paid off to throw the
: game. Simple as that. If it can happen in European , Asian, and South
: American football, it can certanily happen in the U.S. Wake up people! Las
: Vegas made over $70 million and that's only the legal betting.
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threw the game, because most bets ar on the spread doesnt mean
in the states prepared to take the bet on, the bet could
(and probably would) be made abroad. If you have a sure fire bet you
go for it all the time.
The real point is can you really see a QB throwing the game!
Firstly winning the SB is every americans dream (if you believe the hype)
and so you work your guts out for 15 years, are within 20 mins
of accieving your life times dream and then you
sell out. Secondly you know that if you are found
out you are humiliated before the whole country and bang goes your
NFL salary and advertising revenue.
Thirdly O'Donell wanted to whip thoes boy's asses as much as
his fans did.
And whilst there have been allegations of match rigging in football (sic)
none have been proved for large games (eg world cup final or
european club trophies) and the allegations usually revolve around
the halftime score or the number of goals conceeded by the
goalie, rather than the full time score.
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|> The only reason O'donnel was nervous was because he got paid off to throw the
|> game. Simple as that. If it can happen in European , Asian, and South
|> American football, it can certanily happen in the U.S. Wake up people! Las
|> Vegas made over $70 million and that's only the legal betting.
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betting. That's why the point spread floats during betting. If too
many people are betting on one team, the bookies give more points to
the other team in an effort to get more people to bet on the other
team. A similar thing happens if you bet on a team to either win or
lose. The bookies give odds against winning. If too many people start
betting on one team to win, the bookies change the posted odds to get
more people to bet on the other team to win.
Of couse just because Las Vegas doesn't care who wins, that doesn't
mean individuals don't. If a wealthy person had a large bet on one
team, they might try bribing players to ensure a certain outcome. It
would be easier to make big money on a Pittsburgh win, though. The
odds against winning would be worse for Pittsburgh, and thus you could
make more money per dollar bet than you could by betting on Dallas to
win.
Kevin Clendenien
kcle...@iac.net
In article <4fg76q$5...@crash.microserve.net>, Ra...@theboys.com says...
>
>t...@fisher.stats.bris.ac.uk (Tim Downie) wrote:
>
>> Contrary to the replies There would be big money available if someone
>> threw the game, because most bets ar on the spread doesnt mean
>> you can't bet on a straight win.
>
John Walkup
>Walter Stecko (Walter...@campuslife.utoronto.ca) wrote:
>: The only reason O'donnel was nervous was because he got paid off to throw the
>: game. Simple as that. If it can happen in European , Asian, and South
>: American football, it can certanily happen in the U.S. Wake up people! Las
>: Vegas made over $70 million and that's only the legal betting.
First of all Pitt beat the spread. Second, the money that O'Donnell
could have made by throwing the game would have been minimal to the
amount he would have garnered by winning the Super Bowl. (It's tough
to hide millions of dollars from the IRS.)
In other words, your wacky conspiracy theory is unfounded. Let me guess,
O'Donnell was paid off by the Masonic Lodge, right?
SAD...@psuvm.psu.edu
>>>Contrary to the replies There would be big money available if someone
>>>threw the game, because most bets ar on the spread doesnt mean
>>>you can't bet on a straight win.
>>
>>
>>Unless I just don't understand this thread, it doesn't make since for
>>the underdog QB to throw the game, since they aren't expected to win.
>>With the line that high, there must have been a good bit of money on
>>Dallas winning. Now, if Aikman threw the game and the Cowboys would
>>have lost, the bookies would have made more money because the favorite
>>lost, right?
>>
>>If I have this wrong, someone please explain it to me. Thanks.
>
>
>betting. That's why the point spread floats during betting. If too
>many people are betting on one team, the bookies give more points to
>the other team in an effort to get more people to bet on the other
>team. A similar thing happens if you bet on a team to either win or
>lose. The bookies give odds against winning. If too many people start
>betting on one team to win, the bookies change the posted odds to get
>more people to bet on the other team to win.
>
>Of couse just because Las Vegas doesn't care who wins, that doesn't
>mean individuals don't. If a wealthy person had a large bet on one
>team, they might try bribing players to ensure a certain outcome. It
>would be easier to make big money on a Pittsburgh win, though. The
>odds against winning would be worse for Pittsburgh, and thus you could
>make more money per dollar bet than you could by betting on Dallas to
>win.
So far, every post I have seen on O'Donnell being paid to throw the game
has been assumming some sort of gambling connection. And those saying no,
O'Donnell didn't throw the game because the Steelers beat the point spread,
are also assuming a gambling reason for throwing the game. While gambling
could be the motivation for an O'Donnell bribe, I submit that there is a
much simpler reason. The above poster was the closest in his assessment, of
one wealthy person making a single large bet on the winner...and then bribing
the appropriate people to see that his team wins. However, I don't believe
that gambling was the reason. Just ask yourself this question: who stands
to make the most money if the Cowboys win the SB? Jerry Jones, of course.
A Poke win would mean millions and millions of dollars in everthing from
merchandise to TV spots appearances for Jones. The Cowboy franchise would
continue to make Jones a bundle, win or lose...but a win would cetainly mean
many millions more than a loss to Jones. My theory, is that Jones himself
paid off O'Donnell for his own personal gain. There was no gambling involved
at all...just plain pure unadulterated simple human greed...the greatest
motivator of all.
Scott
I root for Miami and anybody that plays the Jets!
John Bicknell
>Just ask yourself this question: who stands
>to make the most money if the Cowboys win the SB? Jerry Jones, of course.
>A Poke win would mean millions and millions of dollars in everthing from
>merchandise to TV spots appearances for Jones. The Cowboy franchise would
>continue to make Jones a bundle, win or lose...but a win would cetainly mean
>many millions more than a loss to Jones. My theory, is that Jones himself
>paid off O'Donnell for his own personal gain. There was no gambling involved
>at all...just plain pure unadulterated simple human greed...the greatest
>motivator of all.
Brilliant, simply brilliant.
John Bicknell
Ronnie Townsend
|> Why don't you put that crack pipe down and join the real world
Unfortunately, the crack pipe is a very large part of the "real world" these
days. But that's a discussion for another newsgroup.
--
Ronnie T.
SGI Product Support Engineer
CSE-UniX
ron...@csd.sgi.com
(415-390-2529)
Michael Fester
: t...@fisher.stats.bris.ac.uk (Tim Downie) wrote:
: > Contrary to the replies There would be big money available if someone
: > threw the game, because most bets ar on the spread doesnt mean
: > you can't bet on a straight win.
: Unless I just don't understand this thread, it doesn't make since for
: the underdog QB to throw the game, since they aren't expected to win.
: With the line that high, there must have been a good bit of money on
: Dallas winning. Now, if Aikman threw the game and the Cowboys would
: have lost, the bookies would have made more money because the favorite
: lost, right?
: If I have this wrong, someone please explain it to me. Thanks.
Bookies make money (or try to) no matter WHO wins the game. They set the
line so that the action goes roughly each side of the point spread. They
take a 10% or so "vigorish" (kinda like a commission fee) on all winning
bets. They only lose money if:
EVERYONE bets one side (in which case the line is moved and/or the action
is closed on that game)
AND
that side covers the point spread.
In that case, the 10% vigorish will obviously not cover the money to be paid
out.
Mike
KAT001
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cowboys, who in turn will then cut Troy Aikman to free up money under
the cap to renegotiate Emmitt Smith's contract.
This is all part of a secret deal JJ made with O'Donnel before the SB.
Reportedly, O'Donnel is getting "Deion" money (most of it will be under
the table of course).
As JJ said following the SB, "Hot dang, that there Neil O'Donnel sure
knows how to complete passess to Cowboy receivers. He's lots better
than Troy Aikman ever was. Can y'all imagine a Cowboy team with Deion
*and* Neil on it? It'd be unstoppable."
Raul Villaronga
[rather humorous story of O'Donnell for Aikman and Emmitt to Miami
deleted]
Thanks for the laugh, Randy! I needed a side splitter today. <g>
Lewis `casey' Thompson
I would certainly give your theory plenty of credence if not for one
thing: wouldn't have JJ instructed O'Donnell to throw the picks to
Deion, his CB under contract, and not Larry who priced himself out of
being a dallas back-up.
Your conspiracy falls flat I am afraid...especially in light of the fact
that JJ and Deion are calling a press conference next week to announce
they are divorcing their wives and announcing their secret love for each
other publicly. The wedding is expected to take place in the north
endzone of Texas Nike Dome which will immediately be renamed Barry's
Shack of Love.
Thought you might enjoy the inside scoop.
casey
rufus pennypacker
> The only reason O'donnel was nervous was because he got paid off to throw the
> game. Simple as that. If it can happen in European , Asian, and South
> American football, it can certanily happen in the U.S. Wake up people! Las
> Vegas made over $70 million and that's only the legal betting.
>
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