DUMB THINGS SAID BY ANNOUNCERS
ncs
What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
The one that sticks out in my mind is in 1986, watching Joe Morris of
the Giants, John Madden said:
"You know, I read up my Physics for this. Joe Morris is a small guy with
a lot of mass, and mass times velocity is momentum, and all that momentum
packed into that small frame is power!"
I'd like to get my hands on that Physics Book he used :)
Anybody else out there remember stupid things said by announcers?
Joe Theismann might have said a few :)
Shannon Kaye Leach
: What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
"Look at that monkey GO!" Howard Cosell, on MNF, commenting about a black
player. HEHEH Sorry, Howard.
Manuvir Das
In article <3d4bnj$d...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, n...@umich.edu (ncs) writes:
|>Anybody else out there remember stupid things said by announcers?
|>Joe Theismann might have said a few :)
Are you kidding? :)
Last night's ESPN game: with ~45 seconds left, the Raiders
are up by 1. The Seahawks are driving and have a second down
well in field goal range. They have no TOs left, while the
Raiders have all 3. The Seahwaks run a couple of yards to
bring up 3rd and ~5, and the Raiders call a TO with 41 seconds
left. Theisman has a fit; he cannot believe they took the TO,
and proceeds to blast them for it.
Hey Joe! The Raiders know the Seahawks are in FG range. They
need to save as many seconds as possible to drive for a FG
themselves in case the Seahwaks score.
Not only did he miss this, he ended up making an idiot of
himself by arguing for the opposite. The Raiders then forgot
to call a TO after the 3rd down play, leavingonly 9 seconds
on the clock when the FG was attempted. Good thing for them
the Hawks missed (and, in a rather indirect manner, good thing
for the Packers too).
- Manuvir
GOD
: In article <3d4bnj$d...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, n...@umich.edu (ncs) says:
: >
: >What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
: >
Well Dan Derdork of MNF made what I consider to be one of the dumbest
comments I've ever heard from an anouncer in any sport...
There was a big collision between Christian Okeya (I think) and some
some large Defensice tackle and Dan's reaction was:
"That's mass meeting matter right there!" How profound.
Marty
Keith Glasson
: What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
1) Just tonight, one of the three MNF stooges said something
about Leon Lett deflecting a pass, and another, I think it
might have been Frank "I'm still unconscious from the Bednarick
hit" Gifford, said, "He's had his hand on a lot of balls."
2) Anything Joe Theisman says. Like his Einstein quote.
-keith
PVM-III
: ncs (n...@umich.edu) wrote:
: : What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
:
: 1) Just tonight, one of the three MNF stooges said something
: about Leon Lett deflecting a pass, and another, I think it
: might have been Frank "I'm still unconscious from the Bednarick
: hit" Gifford, said, "He's had his hand on a lot of balls."
PVM-III
: Not only did he miss this, he ended up making an idiot of
: himself by arguing for the opposite. The Raiders then forgot
: to call a TO after the 3rd down play, leavingonly 9 seconds
: on the clock when the FG was attempted. Good thing for them
: the Hawks missed (and, in a rather indirect manner, good thing
: for the Packers too).
PVM-III
: In article <3d4bnj$d...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, n...@umich.edu (ncs) says:
:
: Robbins was in his stance at the line, waiting for the snap... Millen
: meant to comment on how big Tootie's butt is. Instead of using the
: word derriere, though, he said.... "Look at that. Robbins has the
: most expansive rectum in the entire NFL."
(howling) (wipes tears from eyes) Gads, that's funny ...
Sean Smith
A little nostalgia here:
*Can't recall the exact year, but Roger Staubauch was still QBing the
Cowboys. CBS was televising one of their games, and Alex Hawkins (a former
receiver who played with the Colts and Eagles(?)) was the color
commentator. After seeing a video replay of Staubauch running up the field
(either to block or to try and catch a defensive back returning an
interception), Hawkins said: "That ol' Roger sure runs like a girl, doesn't
he?" The other announcer was so taken aback he just said "What?"
*OK, this is _college_ football, but I still like it. Keith Jackson was
announcing one of the collegiate all-star games (probably the Senior Bowl)
in 1980, and was focusing on one player who had just made a good play.
Jackson briefly referred to the player's team, which he said had been
"tough as a doorknob this year."
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JohnnieLJ
infamous "Look at that little monkey go", referring to a black wide
receiver on the Redskins, attributed and denied by Howard Cosell. The boys
at ESPN know the deal.
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Phil Miller
Tom Brookshire, and Sonny Jurgenson. On Thanksgiving Day, Dallas
was destroying somebody, and as the game lingered into the fouth quarter,
the announcers went into creative-ramble mode. Brookshire commented
in awe about the size of Tony Dorsett's thighs. He then told Jurgenson,
"Sonny, you've been down in the Cowboy locker room before, getting
interviews with the players, so you've *seen* Tony Dorsett out
of uniform. So are his thighs really that big?"
Jugenson was clearly agitated beyond words. "Geez", he said, "Nobody
in the locker room goes around checking out other player's bodies."
The three announcers then fell silent in embarassment until the next
play.
philll
Kevin Barnes
: ncs (n...@umich.edu) wrote:
: : What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
"Madden"
Thurman on the draw, for a net gain of - 2 yards ??????
fi...@cobra.uni.edu
What was FOX thinking when they hired him?
Ron Fitch
University of Northern Iowa
Ronnie Townsend
Actually what he said was "That little monkey gets open doesn't he?" He was
referring to Alvin Garrett, one of the "smurfs" with the Skins back in the
mid-80's. It was an unfortunate slip. I liked Howard as a broadcaster and
miss him on MNF but a man with such deep seated racist attitudes has no
business in that position.
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John Patrick Lestrade
>miss him on MNF but a man with such deep seated racist attitudes has no
>business in that position.
What about politicians who live in all-white neighborhoods and send
their kids to all-white schools, etc,....Aren't they being `racist'?
Seems to me that they are in a more detrimental position... imho, of
course.
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sl...@cc.usu.edu
> ncs (n...@umich.edu) wrote:
>
> : What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
>
> : The one that sticks out in my mind is in 1986, watching Joe Morris of
> : the Giants, John Madden said:
>
> : "You know, I read up my Physics for this. Joe Morris is a small guy with
> : a lot of mass, and mass times velocity is momentum, and all that momentum
> : packed into that small frame is power!"
>
> : I'd like to get my hands on that Physics Book he used :)
>
> : Anybody else out there remember stupid things said by announcers?
> : Joe Theismann might have said a few :)
Don't remember which announcer it was, or even the game, but I heard one state
the following piece of wisdom about the team who was behind:
"What they want to do here is score and put some points on the board."
Talk about stating the obvious.
The announcers have gotten so bad we have started turning the sound down on the
tv and listening to the radio announcers instead.
Colin
SL...@cc.usu.edu
james sitek
> Actually what he said was "That little monkey gets open doesn't he?" He was
> referring to Alvin Garrett, one of the "smurfs" with the Skins back in the
> mid-80's. It was an unfortunate slip. I liked Howard as a broadcaster and
> miss him on MNF but a man with such deep seated racist attitudes has no
> business in that position.
I think the reason that this incident did *not* cost Cosell his job, unlike
Al Campanis or Jimmy the Greek, was that he was so obviously *not* racist.
He has explained that he was referring to Garrett's physical stature, not
his skin color, when he made that remark. Based on his relationships with
people such as Mohammed Ali and Jackie Robinson, I think it should take more
than one misinterpreted comment before we decide that he has "deep seated
racist attitudes".
-jim
john apostol
I don't want to sound like an english major, but over
the past 3 or 4 years, it has become increasingly popular
amongst commentators, especially Dierdorf of MNF, to
mix present and past tense in a strange way while
discussing a previous play.
For example, suppose Darell Green just made a shoe string
tackle on Barry Sanders. Then Dierdorf would comment:
D.D: If Darell Green misses Sanders, Sanders scores!
Maybe I'm being to picky, but sometimes Dierdorf would
rattle off a bunch of these in a single commentary.
bnx...@corp02.d51.lilly.com
> ron...@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>miss him on MNF but a man with such deep seated racist attitudes has no
>>business in that position.
> :-)
>
> What about politicians who live in all-white neighborhoods and send
> their kids to all-white schools, etc,....Aren't they being `racist'?
> Seems to me that they are in a more detrimental position... imho, of
> course.
Take your political prejudices to talk.politics.who.cares.
Thank you.
Doug
Derek Juntunen
:
: What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
Well, this one may not count in r.s.f.p but it is still really stupid.
Harry Neale, who broadcasts for CBC's Hockey Night in Canada, once said
something like: "It's those low-percentage shots that always go in."
Derek
Eric Smith
My favorite of all time was someone commenting on Tony Dorsett's
acceleration ability (and I'm sorry, it's been a few years and I
don't remember who said it):
"He *literally* explodes when he goes through the line!"
Someone needs to show him the definition of "literally". :-)
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PVM-III
:
: I don't want to sound like an english major, but over
: amongst commentators, especially Dierdorf of MNF, to
: mix present and past tense in a strange way while
: discussing a previous play.
:
: For example, suppose Darell Green just made a shoe string
: tackle on Barry Sanders. Then Dierdorf would comment:
:
: D.D: If Darell Green misses Sanders, Sanders scores!
funny, this is just extremely irritating. And Dierdork is *far* from the
only one who does it. Every time an announcer does that, I scream the
proper tense at the screen ... :-)
Manuvir Das
If the Raiders had lost, NE would have clinched a playoff spot.
Now, they are staring at a 50% shot of being left out if they
lose to the Bears. More motivation for them to beat the Bears.
- Manuvir
Daniel Zappala
One *could* make an argument for using the present tense in this case.
For example, let's say that you're writing about a book by Clarke.
You would say "Clarke says that investing in mutual funds is a good
idea." Likewise, you could say "In 'Dark Passages', Clarisse grapples with a
guilty conscience while enmeshed in a bizarre love triangle"
In both cases, the events are not really happening in the present, but
we speak of them in the present. Clarke may have written the book a
long time ago, but the book speaks his words forever in the present. The same
goes for the fictional Clarisse.
I could make an argument that since football shown on television incorporates
instant replays and halftime highlights, the game continually is played
in the present. But it suffices for me to say that football, like
books or plays or movies, is art. :-)
So Diedorf can continue to speak in the present tense! ;-)
Daniel Zappala
George M. Berberian
Dan Dierdorf is simply more annoying than he is entertaining or informative.
Watch him and notice how he NEVER is watching the game. He is constantly
driving when the subject gets changed. He'll talk about food. He'll talk
about experiences he or one of his ex-teammates had, but he'll never
insert anything interesting or knowledgible. I've seen him play and he
was nothing great or even special. Bottom line:
Remove Dierdorf.
How about asking Jim Kelly to retire and announce?
How about Montana?????? How about Don Shula! (I'ld like to see Shula in the
booth)
Dierdorf.....my vote says your outta here! Any seconds???
Pats will beat Chicago! 35 - 13
Christopher Turner
Ronnie Townsend <ron...@uts.amdahl.com> wrote:
>Actually what he said was "That little monkey gets open doesn't he?" He was
>referring to Alvin Garrett, one of the "smurfs" with the Skins back in the
>mid-80's. It was an unfortunate slip. I liked Howard as a broadcaster and
>miss him on MNF but a man with such deep seated racist attitudes has no
>business in that position.
What was it Jimmy the Greek said that got him fired? It's my impression that it was
quite minor, yet these days one can't open one's mouth without finding a pink slip in it.
Something about blacks being better bred for athletics or something.
cjt
MELLENIUM ENTERPRISES
>In article <3d800c$j...@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, hun...@wpi.WPI.EDU (George M. Berberian) says:
>
>>Dan Dierdorf is simply more annoying than he is ............... booth)
>>
>>Dierdorf.....my vote says your outta here! Any seconds???
>
>
>
>
> MATT MILLEN !!!!!!!!!!
> (Go Tootie, Go Tootie, Go Go, Go Tootie!)
>
>:-)
>DON!
I thought no one else thought Dierdorf was a complete bafoon except for me.
I have seen games that have been blow outs and Dierdorf will sit there and
make idiodic jokes that no one wants to hear. I am sure there have to be
some articulate former players along the lines of Lynn Swan who can replace
this ASS.
Glenn Tanner
How about something like this: "He has great acceleration Barry Sanders."
Try to diagram that sentence...
GT
Carla J Nicol
**What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
**Anybody else out there remember stupid things said by announcers?
**Joe Theismann might have said a few :)
This is the stupidest thing I've heard all year - and yes, it came straight
from the mouth of Joe Theismann. In describing the Detroit defense he
turned the phrase "the niftiness of the Detroit cornerbacks". NIFTINESS!?!
Is niftiness even a word? If so, is it appropriate to use any form of the
word nifty in reference to anything regarding football?
Andrew C. Barnaby
: What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
Joe Namath, in a 1992 Bills/Jets game:
"Well, either the Bills are gonna win, or the Jets are gonna win this one!"
No kidding, Joe...
--Andy
Lance B Allred
: What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
: Anybody else out there remember stupid things said by announcers?
: Joe Theismann might have said a few :)
Every Monday night, no matter who is playing or what is going on, those
three morons will always always always refer to Steve Young, Jerry Rice
or the 49ers. What they say about them isn't always dumb (though
sometimes it is), but the fact that, during a Raiders-Seattle game, they
somehow got Young into the discussion and yapped for a few minutes about
him. Who cares? When I want to hear about Young, I'll watch a 49er game,
or listen to a sports talk show. But not a Monday Night game. Thats
pretty stupid.
Lance B Allred
: What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
: Anybody else out there remember stupid things said by announcers?
: Joe Theismann might have said a few :)
One of the funniest things I heard was in a college game. In the pregame,
of Maimi vs. ???, one of the announcers said:
"To win this game, Miami is going to have to outscore their opponent"
For real? Score more points??? No way!
Lance B Allred
: What about politicians who live in all-white neighborhoods and send
: their kids to all-white schools, etc,....Aren't they being `racist'?
: Seems to me that they are in a more detrimental position... imho, of
: course.
What?
William B. Wright
(Lance B Allred) wrote:
> ncs (n...@umich.edu) wrote:
>
> : What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
>
> : Anybody else out there remember stupid things said by announcers?
> : Joe Theismann might have said a few :)
Well you could add just about every other sentence coming out of
Casey 'check that' Coleman's mouth. My favorite was a touchdown call
that went " He's at the 5, 10, touchdown!" According to Casey, the guy ran
to the 5, ran back to the 10 and then jumped over the goal line?
>
> Every Monday night, no matter who is playing or what is going on, those
> three morons will always always always refer to Steve Young, Jerry Rice
> or the 49ers. What they say about them isn't always dumb (though
> sometimes it is), but the fact that, during a Raiders-Seattle game, they
> somehow got Young into the discussion and yapped for a few minutes about
> him. Who cares? When I want to hear about Young, I'll watch a 49er game,
> or listen to a sports talk show. But not a Monday Night game. Thats
> pretty stupid.
My problem with their 49er comments is that they deify those guys.
i can just see Deirdorf on his knees bowing to his gods with a lot of
his insipid comments.
J.J.Clyde
>ncs (n...@umich.edu) wrote:
>
>: What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
>
>: the Giants, John Madden said:
>
>: "You know, I read up my Physics for this. Joe Morris is a small guy with
>: a lot of mass, and mass times velocity is momentum, and all that momentum
>: packed into that small frame is power!"
>
>
>player. HEHEH Sorry, Howard.
One of my all-time favorites: During an Eagles-Saints(?) game a couple
years back, Pat Summerall did a quick promo for a Louisville basketball
game. Quoting, "They're a talented team, although their collective IQ
is about 10." I laughed, and then I laughed some mo time......
Also, anything that comes out of Joe Theismann's mouth.
--J.J.
('when i was with the redskins.....')
Kevin Logemann
|>
|> One of my all-time favorites: During an Eagles-Saints(?) game a couple
|> years back, Pat Summerall did a quick promo for a Louisville basketball
|> game. Quoting, "They're a talented team, although their collective IQ
|> is about 10." I laughed, and then I laughed some mo time......
Actually, the quote you mention was made by Tom Brookshier, not Summerall.
The collective IQ he mentioned was 40.
Finally, Mr. Brookshier was also canned for the comment...
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Dave Lawton
>: In article <3d4bnj$d...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, n...@umich.edu (ncs) says:
>: >
>: >What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
>: >
>
>
>comments I've ever heard from an anouncer in any sport...
>
>There was a big collision between Christian Okeya (I think) and some
>some large Defensice tackle and Dan's reaction was:
>
>"That's mass meeting matter right there!" How profound.
>
>Marty
Earlier this season, on more than one occasion, one of the three
MNF chimps (I think it was Frank) referred to Thurman Thomas as
Thurman Munson. More than once!
Also, I think they should let Al announce the opening segment. I'm
really tired of hearing Frank say "MondEE Night Football!" It's
MondAY, Frank, get it right!
Mondee, Tuesdee, Wednesdee, Thursdee, Fridee, Saturdee, Sundee.
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Mark Manyen
: What is the dumbest thing you've heard an announcer say?
: The one that sticks out in my mind is in 1986, watching Joe Morris of
: the Giants, John Madden said:
: "You know, I read up my Physics for this. Joe Morris is a small guy with
: a lot of mass, and mass times velocity is momentum, and all that momentum
: packed into that small frame is power!"
: I'd like to get my hands on that Physics Book he used :)
: Anybody else out there remember stupid things said by announcers?
: Joe Theismann might have said a few :)
How about Brent Cheeseburger at last Sat.'s Lions at Packers Playoff
game, a low scoring, defensive battle that I found very exciting.
"I wish Barry Sanders would break loose, this is really boring"
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mma...@crl.com | Smith and Aikman? Are they a Country Band?
Philip Bowen (ENG)
coverage (complete with telestrator explanation!)
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Nallan Chakravarthi Suresh
>Can we ever forget Madden's "Obtruse Triangel" observation on run
>coverage (complete with telestrator explanation!)
--
That was a great one.
How about officials? my personal favorite : "False start - prior to the
snap....." that always gets me.
SHAFAI FARHAD
Nallan Chakravarthi Suresh <n...@ari.engin.umich.edu> wrote:
>
>That was a great one.
>
>How about officials? my personal favorite : "False start - prior to the
>snap....." that always gets me.
I've seen alot of posts about this and may have an explanation:
Once the offensive players go into their set position (i.e. linemen
go into their stance, the receivers line up and the QB goes under
the center), they are not allowed to move until the ball is snapped.
If they do move, this causes an illegal motion penalty which the ref
explains as "False start -- prior to the snap". But there is an
exception to this rule which allows an elligle receiver to go in
motion and continue until the ball is snapped. The motion player is
not allowed to move towards the line of scrimmage at the time the ball
is snapped (i.e. can't get a running start towards the defense).
Now, if he does move towards the line as the ball is snapped, this is
also an illegal motion penalty (the ref does the same sign as the first
penalty) BUT it happens during the snap and the
play is allowed to continue. After the play is finished the ref would
explain it as "False start, 5 yard penalty and down over" or the
defense can decline the penalty and take the result of the play.
So, the false start penalty (illegal motion) can happen "prior" or
during the snap. Sort of like offside on the defense: if it happens
way before the snap, they stop the play and call it "encrouchment"
or something like that but if it happens during or right before the
snap they let the play go on and give an option to the offense.
Any comments please post... Farhad
Jack M. LaPedis
(Joseph Albert) wrote:
> In article <D1tG4...@ecf.toronto.edu>,
> SHAFAI FARHAD <sha...@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>
> > So, the false start penalty (illegal motion) can happen "prior" or
> > during the snap. Sort of like offside on the defense: if it happens
> > way before the snap, they stop the play and call it "encrouchment"
> > or something like that but if it happens during or right before the
> > snap they let the play go on and give an option to the offense.
> >
> > Any comments please post... Farhad
> >
>
> close but not quite right on the defensive off-sides. encroachment
> is when, because of the head start from being off-sides, the defensive
> player has a clear, unmitigated shot at the QB, so they whistle it
> dead to protect the QB. if defender has a clear path to the QB, they
> let the play go, which gives the offense a free play (they can
> decline the penalty if the play generates more progress than the result
> of the penalty, or take the penalty and play again on the same down).
>
> J. Albert
> alb...@cs.wisc.edu
Here are some definitions from the 1994 N.F.L. Rule Book:
Encroachment: When a player enters the neutral zone and makes contact with
an opponent before the ball is snapped.
Offside: (Notice, not "offsides" or "off-sides") A player is offside when
any part of his body is beyond his scrimage or free kick line when the
ball is snapped.
There is no mention of clear shots at QB in the rules. The offense always
gets a free play on an offside, an encroachment always stops the play
before it happens.
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Jack M. LaPedis <ja...@dukester.com> wrote:
->Here are some definitions from the 1994 N.F.L. Rule Book:
->Encroachment: When a player enters the neutral zone and makes contact with
->an opponent before the ball is snapped.
->Offside: (Notice, not "offsides" or "off-sides") A player is offside when
->any part of his body is beyond his scrimage or free kick line when the
->ball is snapped.
->There is no mention of clear shots at QB in the rules. The offense always
->gets a free play on an offside, an encroachment always stops the play
->before it happens.
I have seen it happen where the play was stopped because of a clear shot
at the QB, and the ref said specifically that hte play was stopped
because of this.
J. Albert
alb...@cs.wisc.edu
Joseph Albert
> So, the false start penalty (illegal motion) can happen "prior" or
> during the snap. Sort of like offside on the defense: if it happens
> way before the snap, they stop the play and call it "encrouchment"
> or something like that but if it happens during or right before the
> snap they let the play go on and give an option to the offense.
>
> Any comments please post... Farhad
>
close but not quite right on the defensive off-sides. encroachment
Robert F Henry
>Can we ever forget Madden's "Obtruse Triangel" observation on run
>coverage (complete with telestrator explanation!)
Yup this is a classic.
Vermeil(?) may have a new one from the Packers/L*ons game:
Chris Jacke was attempting a 51 yard field goal (he missed a 37 (?)
yarder earlier) and dicky boy made this comment.....
"The way you coach a place kicker is to kick it throught the uprights."
God this is some BRILLIENT insight, hey?
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>In a previous article, scsl...@gate.net (Steven C. Slawin) says:
>
>>During a Buccaneers broadcast this year, Fox analyst Ron Pitts,
>>referring to Bucs Defensive Coordinator Floyd Peters who is nicknamed
>>"Sergeant Rock," said:
>>
>>"There's Floyd Peters on the Bucs' sideline. They call him Sgt. Bilko."
>>
>Stupidest thing I've ever heard an announcer say: (paraphased)
>
>"If you're a backup, you kind of wish for injuries so you can get
>some playing time." - Bob Trumpy on San Fran backup players two weeks
> ago.
My personal favorite (out of context):
"Bret Favre is in the same league as Steve Young and Dan Marino."
- Terry Bradshaw on FOX, about 3 weeks ago.
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"Both teams are hot, having won their last three games."
Alvin Law
> In article <3ea8p7$1...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, Nallan Chakravarthi Suresh <n...@ari.engin.umich.edu> wrote:
> >
> >That was a great one.
> >
> >How about officials? my personal favorite : "False start - prior to the
> >snap....." that always gets me.
>
> I've seen alot of posts about this and may have an explanation:
>
> Once the offensive players go into their set position (i.e. linemen
> go into their stance, the receivers line up and the QB goes under
> the center), they are not allowed to move until the ball is snapped.
> If they do move, this causes an illegal motion penalty which the ref
> explains as "False start -- prior to the snap". But there is an
> exception to this rule which allows an elligle receiver to go in
> motion and continue until the ball is snapped. The motion player is
> not allowed to move towards the line of scrimmage at the time the ball
> is snapped (i.e. can't get a running start towards the defense).
> Now, if he does move towards the line as the ball is snapped, this is
> also an illegal motion penalty (the ref does the same sign as the first
> penalty) BUT it happens during the snap and the
> play is allowed to continue. After the play is finished the ref would
> explain it as "False start, 5 yard penalty and down over" or the
> defense can decline the penalty and take the result of the play.
> So, the false start penalty (illegal motion) can happen "prior" or
I think the second one is normally explain as "Illegal Motion,
so-and-so offense, 5 yard penalty, repeat down".
> during the snap. Sort of like offside on the defense: if it happens
> way before the snap, they stop the play and call it "encrouchment"
> or something like that but if it happens during or right before the
> snap they let the play go on and give an option to the offense.
The defense is actually allowed to cross the line of scrimmage prior
to the snap. Offside is only called when a defensive player is across
the LOS or in the neutral zone during the snap. The play still goes
on and the offensive team can choose to accept or decline the penalty.
To draw a defensive team offside, the offensive team needs to draw a
defensive player across the LOS, and during that split second snap the
ball cleanly without getting a false start penalty.
Encrouchment, on the other hand is called when a defensive player
crosses the LOS and makes contact with an opposing player before the
snap. The play is whistled dead.
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SHAFAI FARHAD
True. But the signal is the same (i.e. the ref does the same dance for both
penalties), hence they are the same type of penalty just different description.
>> during the snap. Sort of like offside on the defense: if it happens
>> way before the snap, they stop the play and call it "encrouchment"
>> or something like that but if it happens during or right before the
>> snap they let the play go on and give an option to the offense.
>
>The defense is actually allowed to cross the line of scrimmage prior
>to the snap. Offside is only called when a defensive player is across
>the LOS or in the neutral zone during the snap. The play still goes
>on and the offensive team can choose to accept or decline the penalty.
>To draw a defensive team offside, the offensive team needs to draw a
>defensive player across the LOS, and during that split second snap the
>ball cleanly without getting a false start penalty.
>
>Encrouchment, on the other hand is called when a defensive player
>crosses the LOS and makes contact with an opposing player before the
>snap. The play is whistled dead.
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True again. I was just too lazy to bother describing the defensive offside
in my first post.
Also, the only other time they stop the play from happening when the defense
jumps offside is when a player jumps way too early and continues towards the
QB without trying to get back. In this case, they call it "#90 was moving
towards the QB" or something like that. They have this special case to protect
the QB from getting hammered by the defensive guy (he hasn't touched anyone yet,
so there is no encroachment, but when he does the QB will no longer be alive).
Farhad
ps. In CFL illegal motion is only called on the linemen. Therefore, in
some plays you see the whole back field (all running backs & wide
receivers) go in motion before the snap. Its actually pretty funny to
see. :)
Steven C. Slawin
>jumps offside is when a player jumps way too early and continues towards the
>QB without trying to get back. In this case, they call it "#90 was moving
>towards the QB" or something like that.
"#90, moving unabated to the quarterback."
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papa legba
: Vermeil(?) may have a new one from the Packers/L*ons game:
: Chris Jacke was attempting a 51 yard field goal (he missed a 37 (?)
: yarder earlier) and dicky boy made this comment.....
: "The way you coach a place kicker is to kick it throught the uprights."
I took that as a joke, however lame. Didn't he also mention
something about tying an asprin to his head and letting the
kicker just kick it? I have a vague recollection of Vermeil
having his share of kicking problems when he coached the
Eagles.
-keith
Ian M. Derby
>In article <3e9n8e$4...@mother.usf.edu> bo...@cas.usf.edu (Philip Bowen (ENG)) writes:
>>Can we ever forget Madden's "Obtruse Triangel" observation on run
>>coverage (complete with telestrator explanation!)
>Yup this is a classic.
>Vermeil(?) may have a new one from the Packers/L*ons game:
>Chris Jacke was attempting a 51 yard field goal (he missed a 37 (?)
>yarder earlier) and dicky boy made this comment.....
>"The way you coach a place kicker is to kick it throught the uprights."
>God this is some BRILLIENT insight, hey?
Being an Eagles fan that goes back to the late 70's, I found that
statement funny. I thought of it as a inside joke. The reason being is
Vermeil had one hell of a time trying to find the right kicker. The
Eagles would lose more than their share of games just because the
damn kicker couldn't get it done. I remember he drafted (I believe)
a swedish kicker (the first ever in the NFL) named Ove Johannson in
1977. After the Eagles blew a game to the Redskins because of a
missed FG, he fired kicker Hoerst Muhlmann in place for
Johannson. Well after Ove's second game, he had a short one blocked
and hooked another. Vermeil was so angry that he went for it on
fourth down the rest of the game. He eventually found some
stability in Tony Franklin (the barefoot one), but even he had his
moments.
Also if you follow up that statement, I believe he said something to
the effect of : "I just tie an asprin to my head and let the guy
kick, you can't coach it"
as...@orion.alaska.edu
Just recently I heard an announcer say:
"That pass was intended for somebody"
after the quarterback had thrown an incomplete pass to the middle
of the field without a player in sight.
Rick
Dave Brooks
Marv Albert during the Steelers-Browns game:
"The Steelers have rushed for 155 yards on the ground."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good call, Marv!
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