Al Michaels Football Background
Tobias
If so, for whom and what position (I'd guess he was a place kicker,
if he ever played at all)?
Steve
GO G-MEN!
Joseph K. Jones
Don't know if he has any football experience. I DO know that Sumerall was a
kicker, Madden a coach, Dierdorf a lineman, and Gifford played I believe on
offense (either as a WR,TE or QB - one of these three)
Joey
Michael Scott Cook
Gifford was a RB, don't remember who for. (way before my time) I think Madden
also played, tho not a star. While we're on the subject, I heard Joe Gibbs
was an OL (I think at GB)! He looks awful small. Can anyone clear that one
up?
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>also played, tho not a star. While we're on the subject, I heard Joe Gibbs
>was an OL (I think at GB)! He looks awful small. Can anyone clear that one
>up?
N.Y. Giants, teammate of DB Tom Landry
Gary Bourque
I don't think Michaels has any major organized sports experience.
Gifford was a running back for the Giants, Summeral was a kicker and
I believe early on a defensive back for the Giants, Dierdorf was an
offensive lineman for the Cardinals.
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Satish Nair
>
>Gifford was a RB, don't remember who for. (way before my time)
What?? Blasphemy!!! Gifford was the pretty boy RB of the Giants.
>I think Madden also played, tho not a star.
I've heard Madden was a bench warmer for the Eagles a while back and
got most of his coaching knowledge from watching the coaches while he
was warming the pine.
>While we're on the subject, I heard Joe Gibbs
>was an OL (I think at GB)! He looks awful small. Can anyone clear that one
>up?
Gibbs has no pro playing experience. He played for Don Coryell at San
Diego State (I think he was a tight end) and Coryell was so impressed by
the guy that he made him an assistant with the Chargers when Coryell was
head coach.
satish nair
giants
Dean Samos
Frank Gifford actually holds some team records for the Giants, I think
total rushing yards or something like that. I'd have to check my
1993 NFL Record and Fact Book at home for the details.
Scott Lawrence
Eagles for 2 or 3 years. I think he messed up his knee or something and
ended up not playing a whole lot.
He was an excellent coach though, winning a Super Bowl with the Raiders
and winning 12 games in his first year as head coach.
Satish Nair
>
>Frank Gifford actually holds some team records for the Giants, I think
>total rushing yards or something like that. I'd have to check my
>1993 NFL Record and Fact Book at home for the details.
>
He holds the total yards record from what I recall. He was a great
receiver out of the backfield (until Chuck Bednarick planted one on
him!).
satish nair
giants
Satish Nair
>
>He was an excellent coach though, winning a Super Bowl with the Raiders
>and winning 12 games in his first year as head coach.
>
Got a rep for not being able to win the big one. His Raiders had something
like 8 division titles in 7 years but time and time again, it was the
same story... go to the AFC Championship Game, get creamed by the Steelers.
They beat the Steelers in 1976 (although the Steelers didn't have either
of their running backs for that game) and won the SB. Next year, they lost
to the Broncos in a very controversial AFC Championship Game.
Check out his hosting of a Saturday Night Live show... good stuff!
satish nair
giants
Matt Smith
: j...@marsh.cacs.usl.edu (Joseph K. Jones) writes:
: >In article <2gc03b...@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tob...@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:
: >> Did Al Michaels (sp?) of MNF ever play professional football?
: >>If so, for whom and what position (I'd guess he was a place kicker,
: >>if he ever played at all)?
: >Don't know if he has any football experience. I DO know that Sumerall was a
: >kicker, Madden a coach, Dierdorf a lineman, and Gifford played I believe on
: >offense (either as a WR,TE or QB - one of these three)
: Gifford was a RB, don't remember who for. (way before my time)
I thought Gifford came out of BYU as a QB. The first in the long
tradition of BYU quarterbacks.
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Geez, Satish. You make it sound like Bednarick kissed him, or
something! 8-)
A quote I've always liked, concerning that hit:
"It wasn't a cheap shot. If he had given me a cheap shot, I
wouldn't be sitting here talking to you, today."
- Frank Gifford
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Matt Smith <msm...@unislc.slc.unisys.com> wrote:
>Michael Scott Cook (m...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
>: Gifford was a RB, don't remember who for. (way before my time)
>
>I thought Gifford came out of BYU as a QB. The first in the long
>tradition of BYU quarterbacks.
If memory serves, Gifford attended the Univ. of Southern Califonria.
James P. Melcher
>: >In article <2gc03b...@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tob...@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve
>Tobias) writes:
>: Gifford was a RB, don't remember who for. (way before my time)
>I thought Gifford came out of BYU as a QB. The first in the long
>tradition of BYU quarterbacks.
No, he played at USC (or possibly UCLA) and was largely known as a running
back--but wouldn't he have been also playing on defense back then, too? At
least in the early part of his career in the 1950's, I would have thought
that he'd have played some defensive back...Satish would probably know....
Some Frank Gifford trivia: he was one of the broadcasters for the
first Super Bowl--for CBS. Both NBC and CBS broadcast the game.
Your friendly neighborhood Packer fan in St. Paul,
Jim Melcher
ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI
Cook) writes:
>j...@marsh.cacs.usl.edu (Joseph K. Jones) writes:
>
>>In article <2gc03b...@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tob...@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve To
>>> Did Al Michaels (sp?) of MNF ever play professional football?
>>>If so, for whom and what position (I'd guess he was a place kicker,
>>>if he ever played at all)?
>>> GO G-MEN!
>
>>Don't know if he has any football experience. I DO know that Sumerall was a
>>kicker, Madden a coach, Dierdorf a lineman, and Gifford played I believe on
>>offense (either as a WR,TE or QB - one of these three)
>
>also played, tho not a star. While we're on the subject, I heard Joe Gibbs
>was an OL (I think at GB)! He looks awful small. Can anyone clear that one
>up?
I thought that Gifford was a big time WR for the Giants in the fifties.
Malik...... Go Cowboys...... Repeat.......
Charles L. Spirrison
>In article <2gc80q...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, m...@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Michael Scott
>Cook) writes:
>>j...@marsh.cacs.usl.edu (Joseph K. Jones) writes:
>>>In article <2gc03b...@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tob...@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve To
>bias) writes:
>>
>>>Don't know if he has any football experience. I DO know that Sumerall was a
>>>kicker, Madden a coach, Dierdorf a lineman, and Gifford played I believe on
>>>offense (either as a WR,TE or QB - one of these three)
>>
>>Gifford was a RB, don't remember who for. (way before my time) I think Madden
>>also played, tho not a star. While we're on the subject, I heard Joe Gibbs
>>was an OL (I think at GB)! He looks awful small. Can anyone clear that one
>>up?
> I thought that Gifford was a big time WR for the Giants in the fifties.
> Malik...... Go Cowboys...... Repeat.......
"hits" in NFL history. I think the hitter was Chuck Bednarik (spelling?)
of the Eagles.
I know that Gifford was considered to be a glamorous player.
Dashing, handsome, etc. I'm almost certain that he played his
college ball at U Southern California.
My memory is a little fuzzy on this, but I think that Gifford
started out as an NFL RB, and after "the hit" he began to play
WR (Flanker).
(This was also way before my time, but I used to read paperbacks
on NFL history when I was a kid).
cls
stephen monsour
(Michael Scott
> Cook) writes:
> >j...@marsh.cacs.usl.edu (Joseph K. Jones) writes:
> >
> >>In article <2gc03b...@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tob...@oasys.dt.navy.mil
(Steve To
> bias) writes:
> >>> Did Al Michaels (sp?) of MNF ever play professional football?
> >>>If so, for whom and what position (I'd guess he was a place kicker,
> >>>if he ever played at all)?
Al Michaels got his start in the business doing baseball play-by-play for
the Cincinnati Reds. I think this occurred in the early seventies. IMHO,
he is the best play-by-play man in football. They need to get rid of
Dierdork and Gifford (I think he is around 80 years old;do you think he
has had a face job or what). In the NYG-NO game in week 17, I think they
forgot to tell Frank that he should be a little more biased with his
former team. Maybe Michaels and Madden (wouldn't that be great). I also
think Marv Albert is a good all-around p-b-p man. He is WAY better than
Dick 'Oh My' Enberg.
Todd Monsour
dudley
>Al Michaels got his start in the business doing baseball play-by-play for
>the Cincinnati Reds. I think this occurred in the early seventies.
I didn't know that, but I remember that he was one of the announcers for
the SF Giants for several years during the 70s. Was it this year or last
that Michaels challenged Dierdorf's knowledge of baseball on MNF by asking
if one of the Braves pitchers (can't remember which one) was a lefty or a
righty. Danny boy got a little miffed and made some snide remark to Michaels.
Al was smart enough to let it drop.
dudley
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David Bernard
SN>He holds the total yards record from what I recall. He was a great
SN>receiver out of the backfield (until Chuck Bednarick planted one on
SN>him!).
Yea wasn't Bednarick the last of the 58 minute two way players?
What a hitter too! Ltr...David
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Giridhar Mandyam
I have lived in San Diego for the past 6 months, and although I was born and
raised in Big D and will always be a Cowboys fan, the Chargers definitely
would be my team of choice otherwise. They are young and exciting. The fans
here are very loyal; Jack Murphy was sold out for the Miami game even tho'
the Chargers were out of the playoff race. I would like to see them do well
next year. I shall give my opinions on some of the problems you bring up.
#1 What happened?
Instability at QB did not help them. Humphries was hurt; Friesz is still
developing. Their offensive gameplan is strange. They never utilized
Harmon the way they should.
#2 Was the schedule a factor? (Was '92 only a reflection of their 5th place
schedule or were they actually good then?)
The AFC West is one of the toughest divisions in football. It is tough to
be on top there every year. They had to play 6 games against playoff teams
in their division alone.
#3 Friesz & Humphries, are either of these guys for real?
People in San Diego seem to think Humphries is a transitional QB. He
shows flashes of brilliance, and streaks of inaccuracy. I believe Friesz
can still be good given a couple of more seasons of apprenticeship. The
Chargers should have done this with Tolliver; he could have been very good
if not "baptised by fire."
#4 What areas do they need to address for next year?
Need to shore up WR core. Miller is an OK WR, but he cannot do it alone.
OL is not bad, considering free agency losses. Should look for a capable
free agent QB. The Chargers could draft a good QB, but they should not
start him in his very first season, IMO. Maybe Jeff George would prosper
in San Diego. They need to replace Gil Byrd too.
#5 Will they be contenders next year or is the AFC West too tough?
I think they will be. Their defensive front guys are too good. Stabilize
the offense at QB and you're set. Means is very good. Butts can still
put out a good game. Harmon could be excellent when used properly.
-Giri Mandyam
Giridhar Mandyam
|Yea wasn't Bednarick the last of the 58 minute two way players?
|What a hitter too! Ltr...David
Bednarik did play both ways in the 1960 NFL Championship against the
Pack. He had to do it for this game because of the Eagles' defensive
injuries. It turned out to be the greatest game of his life. The
Eagles won a tough battle.
I did not know Giff's career ended on a hit by Bednarik. Gifford started
the long tradition at USC of fine HBs.
-Giri Mandyam
Satish Nair
>
>Bednarik did play both ways in the 1960 NFL Championship against the
>Pack. He had to do it for this game because of the Eagles' defensive
>injuries. It turned out to be the greatest game of his life. The
>Eagles won a tough battle.
>
>I did not know Giff's career ended on a hit by Bednarik. Gifford started
>the long tradition at USC of fine HBs.
>
>-Giri Mandyam
>
I don't think it did. Gifford was in a coma for a long time and had
to stay out of football for a year but he did come back.
On a side note: apparently someone involved with the Giants suffered a
heart attack before the game and when Giffords S.O. went to the locker
rooms to find out what had happened, she overheard someone say "He's
dead." (referring to the guy who had the heart attack).
There is a good piece on Bednarick in the 1993 S.I. Football preview
issue.
Bednarick is also an alum of Univ. of Penn. and the folks who do the
play by play for the Quakers often call him during the game. I remember
during the Penn Princeton game, Bednarick started to rip everyone in
football for being such pansies and not playing every down each way.
"Can I still play football? Of course I can! What the hell do you mean
can I still play football ..."
satish nair
giants
David Bernard
.GM>I did not know Giff's career ended on a hit by Bednarik. Gifford starte.
.GM>the long tradition at USC of fine HBs. .
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That hit didn't end his career but it took a year off of it ! The Hit from
the Nov 1960 when the Giants 5-1-1 played the Eagles 6-1 for the East
Conference lead in a game in Yankee stadium that the Eagles won 17 to 10 over
the Giants. The Eagles ended 1960 with a 10-2 record while the Giants
finished 6-4-2.
Going into the game behind 1/2 game the Giants had QB Charlie Connerly only
playing week by week and DE Jim Katcavage out of action for the last half of
the season, but the biggest loss was HB Frank Gifford. Gifford was knocked
unconscious with a vicious but legal hit with a concussion by LB Chuck
Bednarik who also played Center. The Eagles finished 1960 10-2 and beat the
West Confer 8-4 Packers in the championship 17 to 13 on a Eagle FB Ted Dean 5
yard rush in the 4th qt with 9:39 left to play.
The 1960 championship game had the Packers in it but new to winning after
Vince Lombardi (One of the 7 Blocks of Granite at Fordham Univ and a former
Giant assistant coach) took them over in 1959 after losing years. The Packers
had been behind at Half by 6 to 10 with two Paul Hourning FGs (1960 saw
Hourning in 12 games set the NFL record for points in a season with 176 that
still stands today in 16 game seasons!) and the Packers took a temporary lead
early in the 4th on Bart Starr 7 yd TD pass to Max McGee, but sould not hold
it. The Pack would be back and in the next 7 years win 5 NFL (the only three
in a row) and the first two Super Bowls.
Oh the Eagles had at QB Norm Van Broklin and (B/U was Sonny Jurgensen at 26
years old) throwing to Pete Retzlaf at FL-OE (I lelive OE was the forerunner
of TE), Tommy McDonald at FL, Bobby Watson at FL-OE, and HB Billy Barnes. The
top rusher was Billy Peaks at HB and Billy Barnes at HB with Ted Dean at FB
and Tim Brown some too. The Def had Ed Khayt at DE-DT & Marion Cambell at at
DE, LB Maxie Baughn & Chuck Weber along with Bednarik. BTW the Eagles also
had LB Bob Pelegrini was also OG and two way player and John Wilcox played
some both ways too as OT & DT. In the Def backfield was was Tom Brookshir
with 9 INTs and Jimmy Carr, Bobby Freeman and Gene Johnson.
Frank Gifford was from USC played 1952-60 at HB, FL and some DB while Tom
Landry was a Giant 50-55 but was only a DB but Landry was from Univ of Texas.
Gifford voluntarily retired for 1961 but came back for 1962-64 and in 1962 the
Giants and Y A Title at QB went to 12-2 made it to the Championship game but
lost to the Packers 13-1 by the score 7 Giants to 16 Packers.
Then in 1963 the Giants 11-3 won the East Conference and the Bears with Doug
Atkins, Ed O'Bradovich, Bill George, Joe Fortunato, Larry Morris, Rickie
Petibon, and Rosy Taylor on Def were tough & stingy and on Off Bill Wade at
QB, Johnny Morris at FL, TE Mike Ditka, HBs Willie Galamore & Ronnie Bull,
FBs Rick Cassres & Joe Marconi getting enough to win. The 63 Bears were
11-1-2 and beat the Packers twice but the Packer were 11-2-1 and right behind
the Bears. The Bears beat the Giants 14 to 10.
The 1964 Ginats went flat at 2-10-2 and Frank Gifford retired as well as Y A
Title (Earl Morral from Detroit was acquired for 1965 season and with speedy
Homer Jones at FL and Tucker Frederickson at at HB-FB they came back to 7-7)
also retired after 1964 were FB Alex Webster and DE Andy Robustelli.
BTW, talking about pay today! The 1959 Heisman Trophy winner was Billy Cannon
and in 1960 he signed with the AFL Houston Oilers instead of the Rams and got
one of the largest contracts in Football at the time, $100,000 over three
years!
Of course in 1965 the New York Jets blew it off the rocker with $400,000 pact
with Joe Namath and $200,000 pack to Heisman winner John Hurate.
But the pay was not always as good and some got less than they were really
worth. Doug Atkins in 1953 signed for $7,500/yr and it was big but later
found out the PaPa Bear was ready to pay as high as $10,000 for the big
strong DT but got him cheaper!
Bronko Nagurski the FB for the Bears in the 1930s that if the Off line didn't
block for him he just ran over their back and was a moose made $5,000/yr
but in the depression he had to take a pay cut to $3,700/yr. Later he got
back to $5,000 and then asked for $6,000 and PaPa Bear said no and Bronko
retired. However, six years later PaPa Bear with the war taken the best
players away talked Bronko back with a big contract and in 1943 the Bears
used the older but still strong FB Bronko to win the 1943 championship game
over the Redskins 41 to to 21!
Ltr...David
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David Bernard
JK>kicker, Madden a coach, Dierdorf a lineman, and Gifford played I believe
JK>offense (either as a WR,TE or QB - one of these three)
Pat Summerall in deed played football and didn't just kick. He came up in
1952 with Detroit and played 1953 with the Lions, then 1953-57 he was a Bear,
and 1958-61 he was a NY Giant. Summerall played on both sides of the ball
in the 1950s Pro Football wars. Summerall at 6'4 228 lbs from Arkansas he was
OE (forerunner of TE) and he also played DE too. Later by at least 1960
Summerall was only a kicker and actually has 563 points lifetime which puts
him in fron of many but far back of George Blanda's 2,002!