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deb.r...@gmail.com

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Sep 29, 2007, 8:58:20 PM9/29/07
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Licensing officials tell elementary school to stop using logo


STAFFORD, Va. (AP) -- You could call it a cat fight, but Conway
Elementary School's cougar was no match for the Nittany Lion of Penn
State.

The elementary school is working to change its logo after the
Collegiate Licensing Co. pointed out the striking resemblance between
its cougar logo and that of Penn State. The licensing company asked
the school last month to stop using its logo on T-shirts, business
cards and letterhead.

"They said sell what we have in stock and don't order anything else
with that logo," Conway principal Roxie Cooper said.

The Nittany Lion is not commonly pictured on Penn State merchandise,
but it is a trademark of the school. While the lettering on the logos
is different, the big cats appear the same except for the school
colors - navy and gray for Penn State and red, tan and navy for
Conway.

The Collegiate Licensing Co. allowed the school to keep a couple of
floor mats with the logo that had been purchased by the Student
Council Association. The company also will not force the school to dig
up a time capsule stamped with the now-restricted logo, Cooper said.

"They've been very agreeable to everything," she said of the licensing
officials.

But Conway isn't alone, said company spokesman Derek Hughes.

"There's a lot of universities across the nation that have to deal
with this issue on a regular basis," Hughes said, adding that the
actions of schools like Conway aren't intentional.

Hughes said schools are educated about the issue and the company works
with "all parties on a fair phase out plan."

Culpeper County High School also is changing its Blue Devils logo
after school officials learned in August that Arizona State
University's licensing department was investigating whether its logo
was a knockoff of ASU's Blue Devil. The only noticeable difference
between the two is the color - while Arizona State's devil is dressed
in maroon, Culpeper's wears blue.

A local resident volunteered to design a fierce cougar for Conway's
logo when the school opened two years ago, Cooper said, calling it an
"innocent mistake on everybody's part."

"I think the gentleman honestly thought he was doing what was right,
but unfortunately he was wrong," Cooper said.

The school is working with a firm to come up with a more cartoonish
cougar wearing a train conductor's cap. The school, which is located
near the Leeland train station, encourages its students to "stay on
track."

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Jefferson N. Glapski

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>Licensing officials tell elementary school to stop using logo

The Calgary Gators got the same message from the Florida Gators.


Trent Woodruff

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Sep 30, 2007, 11:34:12 AM9/30/07
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>On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:51:24 GMT, "Jefferson N. Glapski" <jeffers...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
>><deb.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VA_CAT_FIGHT_LOGOS_VAOL-?SITE=VANOV&SECTION=STATE
>>Licensing officials tell elementary school to stop using logo

>The Calgary Gators got the same message from the Florida Gators.

That's your defense of it? Weak.


...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you
understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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Jefferson N. Glapski

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Sep 30, 2007, 12:27:02 PM9/30/07
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"Trent Woodruff" <afre...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> >On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:51:24 GMT, "Jefferson N. Glapski"
> ><jeffers...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
>>><deb.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VA_CAT_FIGHT_LOGOS_VAOL-?SITE=VANOV&SECTION=STATE
>>>Licensing officials tell elementary school to stop using logo
>
>>The Calgary Gators got the same message from the Florida Gators.
>
> That's your defense of it? Weak.

Who's defending it?

Perhaps you should read another post where I criticize it.


jimbr...@yahoo.com

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Sep 30, 2007, 12:55:12 PM9/30/07
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> >Licensing officials tell elementary school to stop using logo
>
> The Calgary Gators got the same message from the Florida Gators.

Wisconsin got Waukee Iowa as well...for the letter W.

stephenj

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Oct 1, 2007, 4:59:17 PM10/1/07
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yes, but iirc they're also not letting a paranormal-ouija board group
use it either.


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Jon Enslin

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Oct 1, 2007, 5:20:45 PM10/1/07
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On Sep 30, 10:34 am, Trent Woodruff <afreti...@charter.net> wrote:

> >On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:51:24 GMT, "Jefferson N. Glapski" <jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
> >><deb.rube...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VA_CAT_FIGHT_LOGOS_VAOL-?SITE=...

> >>Licensing officials tell elementary school to stop using logo
> >The Calgary Gators got the same message from the Florida Gators.
>
> That's your defense of it? Weak.


I'll defend it. Trademark violations are trademark violations. It
doesn't matter if it is a school or a Fortune 500 corporation.

Jon

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Oct 1, 2007, 5:32:23 PM10/1/07
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On Sep 29, 7:58 pm, "deb.rube...@gmail.com" <deb.rube...@gmail.com>
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> Licensing officials tell elementary school to stop using logo
>

This makes sense. After all, they're competing for the same students.

Doug


Trent Woodruff

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Oct 1, 2007, 8:40:02 PM10/1/07
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I didn't say there was no defense of it. I even generally agree with
it. But his response to it was, as I said, weak.

abor...@redshark.goodshow.net

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Oct 2, 2007, 10:02:34 AM10/2/07
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Disney (Disney for the love of Ged... trademark Satan) lets the
University of Oregon use its IP free of charge. Defending your
trademark doesn't mean you can't let a freaking elementary school
use some of you trademarked property.


--
Aaron

Jaybyrd

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Oct 2, 2007, 10:49:49 AM10/2/07
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On Sep 29, 8:58 pm, "deb.rube...@gmail.com" <deb.rube...@gmail.com>
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I was always told that the nit logo was just a piece of blank
whiteness. Can they claim that?


Jon Enslin

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Oct 2, 2007, 7:12:46 PM10/2/07
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If you don't protect your trademark, it becomes part of the public
domain and you lose such protection. Why can't the elementary school
develop its own?

Jon

Jefferson N. Glapski

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Oct 2, 2007, 11:37:23 PM10/2/07
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> Jefferson N. Glapski wrote:
>> <deb.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1191113900.9...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VA_CAT_FIGHT_LOGOS_VAOL-?SITE=VANOV&SECTION=STATE
>>
>>
>>
>>>Licensing officials tell elementary school to stop using logo
>>
>>
>> The Calgary Gators got the same message from the Florida Gators.
>
> yes, but iirc they're also not letting a paranormal-ouija board group use
> it either.

They probably don't know about it, just as Grambling State/Georgia/Green Bay
don't know about our other logo.


Jefferson N. Glapski

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Oct 2, 2007, 11:38:17 PM10/2/07
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"Jon Enslin" <jen...@charter.net> wrote in message
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They have every right to defend their trademark, but I think they are
actually harming the value of it by undertaking actions like this.


Jefferson N. Glapski

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Oct 2, 2007, 11:50:25 PM10/2/07
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> >On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:20:45 -0700, Jon Enslin <jen...@charter.net>
> >wrote:
>>>On Sep 30, 10:34 am, Trent Woodruff <afreti...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:51:24 GMT, "Jefferson N. Glapski"
>>>><jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
>>>>><deb.rube...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>>>>>http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VA_CAT_FIGHT_LOGOS_VAOL-?SITE=...
>>>>>Licensing officials tell elementary school to stop using logo
>
>>>>The Calgary Gators got the same message from the Florida Gators.
>
>>> That's your defense of it? Weak.
>
>>I'll defend it. Trademark violations are trademark violations. It
>>doesn't matter if it is a school or a Fortune 500 corporation.
>
> I didn't say there was no defense of it. I even generally agree with
> it. But his response to it was, as I said, weak.

Because I related a personal experience? Keep in mind I am not a press
secretary for Penn State. I'm just a fan. I didn't defend it at all, in
fact, I criticized it. But read into it whatever you want.

Did I tell you of another experience where I got a threatening letter from
Andy Geiger, AD of the Ze ohio state buckeyes,, indicating I should stop
selling apparel with the following:

http://www.glapski.com/clarett_insurance.png

You show me where the trademark infringement is on that.


Jefferson N. Glapski

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Oct 3, 2007, 12:00:22 AM10/3/07
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"Jaybyrd" <jayby...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Nice.

The thing I don't understand is why Penn State allows Pitt to copy the lion
logo...you know what I'm talking about.


lein

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Oct 3, 2007, 12:38:45 AM10/3/07
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On Oct 2, 8:38 pm, "Jefferson N. Glapski"
<jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
> "Jon Enslin" <jens...@charter.net> wrote in message

yeah, they should charge the school a token fee provided they don't
see merchandise with the logo.

Growing up, our little league teams were named after real major league
teams (Mets, Phillies, Cards, etc.) I thought it was retarded when
Major League Baseball cracked down on that. For a long time as a
kid, StL was my second favorite team for no other reason than it was
my little league team. We wore the same uniform.

abor...@redshark.goodshow.net

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Oct 3, 2007, 9:30:58 AM10/3/07
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If you give a free license for use to the elementary school, that still
counts as defending your trademark. You aren't just letting unlicensed
users violate your trademark, so you have no chance of losing it.

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Aaron

Jaybyrd

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Oct 3, 2007, 3:10:33 PM10/3/07
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On Oct 3, 12:00 am, "Jefferson N. Glapski"
<jeffersonWE...@PENNSTATEglapski.com> wrote:
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you mean the fact that PSU has a 2 dimentional beaver head and we have
a semi-3D otter head? or our metalic dino-cat (3D)
Most Pitt fans loathe both the dino-cat and otter-head

Jon Enslin

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Oct 3, 2007, 6:46:28 PM10/3/07
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Well, maybe the elementary school should have asked and not just
copied.

Jon

abor...@redshark.goodshow.net

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Oct 4, 2007, 11:05:06 AM10/4/07
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Sure... they probably should have... that doesn't change a whit the
fact that Penn State can (and if they aren't petty should) allow
them free use of it without losing trademark protection.

--
Aaron

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