Basically a full stadium celebration

[tom_sa...@yahoo.com]

Awesome post-game following the Baylor win. I've seen "the best damn band in the land," and have been to assorted other impressive events, but considering the fanbase basically remained intact to sing is something I don't think I've witnessed elsewhere.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/watch-an-entire-stadium-celebrate-a-win-in-song

[CheeseHusker dos]

On Oct 6, 6:47 am, "tom_sawye...@yahoo.com" <tom_sawye...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Awesome post-game following the Baylor win.  I've seen "the best damn band in the land," and have been to assorted other impressive events, but considering the fanbase basically remained intact to sing is something I don't think I've witnessed elsewhere.
>

> http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/watch-an-entire-stadium-celebrate-a-w...

Come to a UW game sometime and watch the stadium sing "Varsity"
afterwards - and then stay for 5th quarter.

[Alan Jones]

It is night and day between the Rich Rod debacle and now. We came away
from that stronger, more unified, and more determined than perhaps ever.

And, the timing that allowed Oliver Luck to be available and interested
was a god-send. He has elevated WVU to a new level and era.

[xyzzy]

On Oct 6, 7:47 am, "tom_sawye...@yahoo.com" <tom_sawye...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Awesome post-game following the Baylor win.  I've seen "the best damn band in the land," and have been to assorted other impressive events, but considering the fanbase basically remained intact to sing is something I don't think I've witnessed elsewhere.
>

> http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/watch-an-entire-stadium-celebrate-a-w...

That is cool. WVU is having a great year so far...happy for them.

[Antonio Veranos]

[Alan Jones, ajo...@intrtek.com]
[Sat, 06 Oct 2012 13:16:52 -0400]

: He has elevated WVU to a new level and era.

I'm glad to see the student organizations trying to separate the program
from things in the past which have painted WVU in a negative light. The
effort to stop couch burning is a good idea. Is there a similar effort
in place to improve fan behavior, as well? I hope so; it'd be good.

As for a new era on the field, things are going well right now, but
let's see how it goes as the season goes along. As for the reference to
Rich Rodriguez, c'mon, that's just silly. The debacle involved had to
do with West Virginia's inability to keep him in response to a call from
Michigan, as well as their bungling of replacing him with Bill Stewart.

[Antonio Veranos]

[xyzzy, xyzzy...@gmail.com]
[Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:26:58 -0700 (PDT)]

: > http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/watch-an-entire-stadium-celebrate-a-w...

:
: That is cool. WVU is having a great year so far...happy for them.

I think they have an outside shot at playing in the MNC game.

[michael anderson]

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 1:28:13 PM UTC-5, Antonio Veranos wrote:
> [Alan Jones, ajo...@intrtek.com]

>
>>
> I'm glad to see the student organizations trying to separate the program
>
> from things in the past which have painted WVU in a negative light.

?? like what?

I certainly don't think wvu football has a negative image in any way. They are a small state with good fan support(considering the size of the state) and some passion for their college football team. The national perception of WVU football certainly isn't a 'negative light'....that sounds more like individual rivals board type wars that most college football fans don't bother with.

[Alan Jones]

On this day, I will not concern myself with your inaccurate backhanded
exaggerations.

[Antonio Veranos]

[michael anderson, miande...@gmail.com]
[Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT)]

: > I'm glad to see the student organizations trying to separate the program

: > from things in the past which have painted WVU in a negative light.

: ?? like what?

1. burning couches
2. throwing bags of piss/shit at opposing fans
3. abusing/attacking opposing fans in general

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/905155-college-football-2011-ranking-
the-25-rudest-fanbases-in-the-nation/page/24

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2011/03/gq-says-west-
virginia-penn-state-lsu-have-worst-fans-in-sports.html

...and etc.

The reputation is well-known. I suspect you asked solely to get a
laundry list of cites, etc... so as to crap on the thread.

It's nice to see WVU doing things to improve their own reputation; long
may it continue. Supporting your team should be based in having FUN.

[Antonio Veranos]

[Alan Jones, ajo...@intrtek.com]
[Sat, 06 Oct 2012 13:48:17 -0400]

: >: He has elevated WVU to a new level and era.
: >
: >I'm glad to see the student organizations trying to separate the program
: >from things in the past which have painted WVU in a negative light. The
: >effort to stop couch burning is a good idea. Is there a similar effort
: >in place to improve fan behavior, as well? I hope so; it'd be good.
: >
: >As for a new era on the field, things are going well right now, but
: >let's see how it goes as the season goes along. As for the reference to
: >Rich Rodriguez, c'mon, that's just silly. The debacle involved had to
: >do with West Virginia's inability to keep him in response to a call from
: >Michigan, as well as their bungling of replacing him with Bill Stewart.
:
: On this day, I will not concern myself with your inaccurate backhanded
: exaggerations.

That's fine, but not really necessary as I haven't made any.

[michael anderson]

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 1:54:29 PM UTC-5, Antonio Veranos wrote:
> [michael anderson, miande...@gmail.com]
>
> [Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT)]
>
>
>
> : > I'm glad to see the student organizations trying to separate the program
>
> : > from things in the past which have painted WVU in a negative light.
>
>
>
> : ?? like what?
>
>
>
> 1. burning couches
>
> 2. throwing bags of piss/shit at opposing fans
>
> 3. abusing/attacking opposing fans in general

oh gmafb...there are 55-60k fans in mountaineer stadium for home games. If 5 fans(and I doubt it is this many) throw a bag of shit/piss at the opposing fans for a game, that would mean less than 0.01% of fans engaged in such behavior.....only tools would choose to believe such a thing reflects on the fans as a whole or makes anything of it.

[Alan Jones]

I believe you are entirely correct, sir. :)

Mr Antonivronio always tries to lump the small and sometimes unruly
student section in with the regular populous, adults, in the rest of the
stadium.

His bias and animosity has become skewed beyond recognition. LOL

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

On Oct 6, 2:54 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [michael anderson, mianderso...@gmail.com]

it's funny, I heard nothing about how hospitable the WVU folks were to
our visiting fans. Not saying VT fans didn't experience some
discomfort, but I don't think that's a universal opinion about the
school.

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

On Oct 6, 4:52 pm, Alan Jones <ajo...@intrtek.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 13:05:54 -0700 (PDT), michael anderson
>
>
>
>
>
> <mianderso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, October 6, 2012 1:54:29 PM UTC-5, Antonio Veranos wrote:

> >> [michael anderson, mianderso...@gmail.com]

>
> >> [Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT)]
>
> >> : > I'm glad to see the student organizations trying to separate the program
>
> >> : > from things in the past which have painted WVU in a negative light.
>
> >> : ??  like what?
>
> >> 1. burning couches
>
> >> 2. throwing bags of piss/shit at opposing fans
>
> >> 3. abusing/attacking opposing fans in general
>
> >oh gmafb...there are 55-60k fans in mountaineer stadium for home games. If 5 fans(and I doubt it is this many) throw a bag of shit/piss at the opposing fans for a game, that would mean less than 0.01% of fans engaged in such behavior.....only tools would choose to believe such a thing reflects on the fans as a whole or makes anything of it.
>
> I believe you are entirely correct, sir. :)
>
> Mr Antonivronio always tries to lump the small and sometimes unruly
> student section in with the regular populous, adults, in the rest of the
> stadium.
>

> His bias and animosity has become skewed beyond recognition. LOL- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

we had good hearted WVU fans escorting our people past the students,
and had plenty of warnings to enjoy ourselves but to stay away from
congregating student areas.

[Antonio Veranos]

[Mr. N.A.Cho, ThisSpac...@mail.com]
[Sat, 6 Oct 2012 13:56:01 -0700 (PDT)]

: > The reputation is well-known. ï¿œI suspect you asked solely to get a

: > laundry list of cites, etc... so as to crap on the thread.
: >
: > It's nice to see WVU doing things to improve their own reputation; long

: > may it continue. ï¿œSupporting your team should be based in having FUN.

:
: it's funny, I heard nothing about how hospitable the WVU folks were to
: our visiting fans. Not saying VT fans didn't experience some
: discomfort, but I don't think that's a universal opinion about the
: school.

No opinion is universal, but it's unrealistic to try to portray WVU's
well-known reputation as something which is fabricated, etc...

[Mr. N.A.Cho]

On Oct 6, 5:11 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [Mr. N.A.Cho, ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com]

> [Sat, 6 Oct 2012 13:56:01 -0700 (PDT)]
>

> : > The reputation is well-known.  I suspect you asked solely to get a

> : > laundry list of cites, etc... so as to crap on the thread.
> : >
> : > It's nice to see WVU doing things to improve their own reputation; long

> : > may it continue.  Supporting your team should be based in having FUN.

> :
> : it's funny, I heard nothing about how hospitable the WVU folks were to
> : our visiting fans.    Not saying VT fans didn't experience some
> : discomfort, but I don't think that's a universal opinion about the
> : school.
>
> No opinion is universal, but it's unrealistic to try to portray WVU's
> well-known reputation as something which is fabricated, etc...

the thing I heard over and over is to stay away from the student area
(they corral them in a certain area?).

[Antonio Veranos]

[Alan Jones, ajo...@intrtek.com]
[Sat, 06 Oct 2012 16:52:50 -0400]

: Mr Antonivronio always tries to lump the small and sometimes unruly

: student section in with the regular populous, adults, in the rest of the
: stadium.

You may note that I wrote about the students' attempts to address the
behavior in/around the stadium. Of course that's students' behavior,
and it's a significant portion of the crowd.

: His bias and animosity has become skewed beyond recognition. LOL

Bias? Nope. Animosity? Go figure. When our fans come back from
Morgan's Towne recounting incidents of abuse, to the point that our
Athletic Director decides against continuing the series until fan
behavior is cleaned up, that tends to generate a little animosity.

*shrug*

[Alan Jones]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:09:30 -0700 (PDT), "Mr. N.A.Cho"
<ThisSpac...@mail.com> wrote:

>> Mr Antonivronio always tries to lump the small and sometimes unruly
>> student section in with the regular populous, adults, in the rest of the
>> stadium.

>we had good hearted WVU fans escorting our people past the students,
>and had plenty of warnings to enjoy ourselves but to stay away from
>congregating student areas.

Yup, unfortunately, party school is as party school does... :(

[Antonio Veranos]

[Mr. N.A.Cho, ThisSpac...@mail.com]
[Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:14:35 -0700 (PDT)]

: the thing I heard over and over is to stay away from the student area

: (they corral them in a certain area?).

That doesn't surprise me. In fact, what would surprise me is if the
reputation for bad behavior was earned by the alumni/adults in the
stadium. Tech had a pretty serious problem (though not on the same
scale, really) in the early 90s, and the Athletic Department took a very
hard look at what to do about it. They got serious, the students bought
into the program, and now you hear about Blacksburg being one of the
best places in college football to go as a visiting fan. That's great!

[Alan Jones]

Sorry, Veronitonio, you have no credibility as a WVU critic.

[Antonio Veranos]

[Alan Jones, ajo...@intrtek.com]
[Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:25:44 -0400]

: >: Mr Antonivronio always tries to lump the small and sometimes unruly
: >: student section in with the regular populous, adults, in the rest of the
: >: stadium.
: >
: >You may note that I wrote about the students' attempts to address the
: >behavior in/around the stadium. Of course that's students' behavior,
: >and it's a significant portion of the crowd.
: >
: >: His bias and animosity has become skewed beyond recognition. LOL
: >
: >Bias? Nope. Animosity? Go figure. When our fans come back from
: >Morgan's Towne recounting incidents of abuse, to the point that our
: >Athletic Director decides against continuing the series until fan
: >behavior is cleaned up, that tends to generate a little animosity.
: >
: >*shrug*
:
: Sorry, Veronitonio, you have no credibility as a WVU critic.

You seem to have attention issues. I entered this thread praising the
WVU students for their attempts to clean up fan behavior. Whining at me
about the fact that WVU has a long-standing reputation for poor fan
behavior isn't going to accomplish anything other than to make it rather
obvious that you're deflecting, ducking, and dodging. Sad, and typical.

[i_like_sockeye]

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 7:57:14 AM UTC-5, CheeseHusker dos wrote:
>
>
> Come to a UW game sometime and watch the stadium sing "Varsity"
>
> afterwards - and then stay for 5th quarter.

I attended the Minnesota @ Wisconsin game in 1986. My freshman roommate had some friends there,
and we decided it was time for a road trip. This was back when both programs sucked, but the
fan involvement was amazing. I remember there being a "5th quarter" but I don't remember much
about it since I was still pretty hammered from the pre-game "activities". Those "activities" started
when we got to town late Friday night and continued on the next morning. It's truly a mad town. A little
too cold for my taste however.

[i_like_sockeye]

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 3:52:56 PM UTC-5, Alan Jones wrote:
> Mr Antonivronio always tries to lump the small and sometimes unruly
> student section in with the regular populous, adults, in the rest of the
> stadium.
>
> His bias and animosity has become skewed beyond recognition. LOL

I'm a sample size of only one, but this is the first I've heard about this "reputation". Sounds like
local-rivalry banter to me.

[CheeseHusker dos]

On Oct 6, 5:20 pm, i_like_sockeye <i_like_sock...@mailandnews.com>
wrote:

It's low 40s, grey skies and breezy today.

Perfect!

[Antonio Veranos]

[i_like_sockeye, i_like_...@mailandnews.com]
[Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:23:48 -0700 (PDT)]

: I'm a sample size of only one, but this is the first I've heard about this "reputation". Sounds like
: local-rivalry banter to me.

Interesting... as there are certainly cites of it in national media, of
which I provided at least two.

[michael anderson]

it's probably based on different message boards and stuff bickering back and forth...there is no reason west virginia fans would be assholes relative to fans of other programs. Likewise, there is no reason wvu fans would be expected to be nicer(in general) than other fans as well.

fans talking about how 'good' or 'bad' fans are is about the most tool-like thing one can possibly do.

Now this is sort of stuff is different than tracking measures of interest....that can obviously be done with empirical data. Im referring to stuff like how 'well behaved' fans are or whatever.

[i_like_sockeye]

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:30:27 PM UTC-5, Antonio Veranos wrote:
>
> Interesting... as there are certainly cites of it in national media, of
> which I provided at least two.

If the reputation was a bad as you claim, I wouldn't need a cite. Just speaking as a neutral
who has no love/hate for either WVU or VT.

[michael anderson]

lmfao....there are literally a bazillion 'lists' of various kinds on sites like bleacherreport every year...most are composed mindlessly and done to generate some good naturred ribbing, oftentimes on websites that sponsor the previously mentioned forums where much of this sort of talk dominates....hell just bleacherreport posts 3-4 lists for EVERY TEAM after EVERY game.

it might be nationally known if college gameday on saturday mentioned and discussed this 'reputation'(with something other than a good natured couch joke)...something like that. What you posted isn't on the radar
as far as shaping national reputations.

[Antonio Veranos]

[i_like_sockeye, i_like_...@mailandnews.com]
[Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:35:43 -0700 (PDT)]

:

: On Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:30:27 PM UTC-5, Antonio Veranos wrote:
: >
: > Interesting... as there are certainly cites of it in national media, of
: > which I provided at least two.
:
: If the reputation was a bad as you claim, I wouldn't need a cite.

Logical fallacy there... big one.

: Just speaking as a neutral

[michael anderson]

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:35:44 PM UTC-5, i_like_sockeye wrote:
> On Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:30:27 PM UTC-5, Antonio Veranos wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Interesting... as there are certainly cites of it in national media, of
>
> > which I provided at least two.
>
>
>
> If the reputation was a bad as you claim, I wouldn't need a cite.

also, keep in mind his 'national media' consisting of an orlando blog(wtf?) and a bleacherreport list with TWENTY FIVE other teams...hell over half of all the name teams in college football are on it. Just flipping through it other top 5 teams included oregon, ohio state, lsu, and alabama.

the whole thing is laughable...

[i_like_sockeye]

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:39:20 PM UTC-5, Antonio Veranos wrote:
>
>
> Logical fallacy there... big one.
>

The key word was "reputation".

[Alan Jones]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 22:29:16 +0100, Antonio Veranos
<summers...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>: Sorry, Veronitonio, you have no credibility as a WVU critic.
>
>You seem to have attention issues. I entered this thread praising the
>WVU students for their attempts to clean up fan behavior. Whining at me
>about the fact that WVU has a long-standing reputation for poor fan
>behavior isn't going to accomplish anything other than to make it rather
>obvious that you're deflecting, ducking, and dodging. Sad, and typical.

See what I mean, you keep saying "fan behavior", which is an unfair
generalization.

How about saying... "I entered this thread praising the WVU students for
their attempts to clean up THEIR OWN behavior..."

And... "WVU has a long-standing reputation for poor STUDENT BODY
behavior..."

You choose your words very purposely, and you destroy your own
credibility.

[Antonio Veranos]

[i_like_sockeye, i_like_...@mailandnews.com]
[Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:55:55 -0700 (PDT)]

: > Logical fallacy there... big one.
: >
:
: The key word was "reputation".

You're assuming that something cannot be fairly widely known if you
don't know it. That's obviously not the case.

[Antonio Veranos]

[Alan Jones, ajo...@intrtek.com]
[Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:58:17 -0400]

: On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 22:29:16 +0100, Antonio Veranos

: <summers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:
: >: Sorry, Veronitonio, you have no credibility as a WVU critic.
: >
: >You seem to have attention issues. I entered this thread praising the
: >WVU students for their attempts to clean up fan behavior. Whining at me
: >about the fact that WVU has a long-standing reputation for poor fan
: >behavior isn't going to accomplish anything other than to make it rather
: >obvious that you're deflecting, ducking, and dodging. Sad, and typical.
:
: See what I mean, you keep saying "fan behavior", which is an unfair
: generalization.
:
: How about saying... "I entered this thread praising the WVU students for
: their attempts to clean up THEIR OWN behavior..."

Are WVU students not fans, particularly those in the stands?

: And... "WVU has a long-standing reputation for poor STUDENT BODY

: behavior..."

: You choose your words very purposely, and you destroy your own
: credibility.

No, but you are nit-picking, grasping at straws.

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:57:14 AM UTC-7, CheeseHusker dos wrote:

> Come to a UW game sometime and watch the stadium sing "Varsity"
> afterwards - and then stay for 5th quarter.

As many disagreements as I can have with Cheesehusker #2, there can be no denying this.

Mike

[CheeseHusker dos]

rsfck! ($1)

[Antonio Veranos]

[CheeseHusker dos, jonr...@yahoo.com]
[Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:20:30 -0700 (PDT)]

: > As many disagreements as I can have with Cheesehusker #2, there can be no denying this.
: >
: > Mike
:
: rsfck! ($1)

I haven't been to Madison for a game yet, but I hear it's excellent.

[Alan Jones]

On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 00:02:28 +0100, Antonio Veranos
<summers...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>: How about saying... "I entered this thread praising the WVU students for
>: their attempts to clean up THEIR OWN behavior..."
>
>Are WVU students not fans, particularly those in the stands?

They are not the only fans. They are not all fans.

>: And... "WVU has a long-standing reputation for poor STUDENT BODY
>: behavior..."
>
>: You choose your words very purposely, and you destroy your own
>: credibility.
>
>No, but you are nit-picking, grasping at straws.

The distinction is huge. Characterizing all fans based on the behavior
of a great minority is grossly inaccurate, backhanded, and exaggerated.

You know what you're doing is wrong. We've been through this many times
before.

[i_like_sockeye]

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:01:10 PM UTC-5, Antonio Veranos wrote:
>
> You're assuming that something cannot be fairly widely known if you
>
> don't know it. That's obviously not the case.

I concede that WVU fans have a reputation for being a most vile, obnoxious bunch amongst Va Tech
fans, but I don't think that reputation extends beyond Appalachia. Carry on.

[Antonio Veranos]

[Alan Jones, ajo...@intrtek.com]
[Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:21:51 -0400]

: On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 00:02:28 +0100, Antonio Veranos

: <summers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:
: >: How about saying... "I entered this thread praising the WVU students for
: >: their attempts to clean up THEIR OWN behavior..."
: >
: >Are WVU students not fans, particularly those in the stands?
:
: They are not the only fans. They are not all fans.

I didn't write all fans. If *all* fans acted as those who earn a school
a reputation for nasty fans behaved that way, the National Guard would
be called in to deal with them. That much is seriously bloody obvious.

: >: And... "WVU has a long-standing reputation for poor STUDENT BODY

: >: behavior..."
: >
: >: You choose your words very purposely, and you destroy your own
: >: credibility.
: >
: >No, but you are nit-picking, grasping at straws.
:
: The distinction is huge. Characterizing all fans based on the behavior
: of a great minority is grossly inaccurate, backhanded, and exaggerated.

At no time did I characterize all fans; spelling it out is not required.

(...for most.)

[addre...@invalid.invalid]

Alan Jones <ajo...@intrtek.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 13:05:54 -0700 (PDT), michael anderson
> <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, October 6, 2012 1:54:29 PM UTC-5, Antonio Veranos wrote:
>>> [michael anderson, miande...@gmail.com]
>>>
>>> [Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT)]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm glad to see the student organizations trying to separate the program
>>>
>>>>> from things in the past which have painted WVU in a negative light.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ?? like what?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. burning couches
>>>
>>> 2. throwing bags of piss/shit at opposing fans
>>>
>>> 3. abusing/attacking opposing fans in general
>>
>> oh gmafb...there are 55-60k fans in mountaineer stadium for home games.
>> If 5 fans(and I doubt it is this many) throw a bag of shit/piss at the
>> opposing fans for a game, that would mean less than 0.01% of fans
>> engaged in such behavior.....only tools would choose to believe such a
>> thing reflects on the fans as a whole or makes anything of it.
>
> I believe you are entirely correct, sir. :)

>
> Mr Antonivronio always tries to lump the small and sometimes unruly
> student section in with the regular populous, adults, in the rest of the
> stadium.
>
> His bias and animosity has become skewed beyond recognition. LOL

Has become? It was ever thus.

--
GS Rider

[Alan Jones]

On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 00:36:52 +0100, Antonio Veranos

Full circle for about the third time. Bye.

[Alan Jones]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 23:44:23 +0000 (UTC), <addre...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>> His bias and animosity has become skewed beyond recognition. LOL
>
>Has become? It was ever thus.

LOL :D

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Disculpa Senora i_like_sockeye, pero did you really mime the following
on 10/6/2012 6:35 PM???

Well, admittedly I have a bias. But I will say this - among the
visiting fans I have seen at Heinz Filled, nobody even comes CLOSE to
the Hoopie fans on the asshole scale. Notre Dame and Penn State fans
are a distant second.

And neither here nor there, but the best visiting fans I have seen have
been from Texas A & M: even bigger in numbers than those from other
distant places like Iowa and Nebraska, and very classy.

--
There lived a sage in days of yore
And he a handsome pigtail wore
He wondered much and sorrowed more
Because it hung behind him