Fastest backfield in history?
John Walkup
backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
Oklahoma
Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
Patrick Collins RB
Anthony Stafford RB
Leon Perry FB
They must be starters and played most of the year.
Who's your pick? SMU's Pony Express? Just curious.
I left some space below for any Longhorn fans' obnoxious comments.
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I will also leave some space here for Texas A&M fans, who
will naturally remind UT fans how A&M has been kicking their butts
every year.
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Mike DuMond
>
> Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
>
I'd put my money on:
Charlie Ward: QB
Warrick Dunn: TB
William Floyd: FB
Dunn wasn't the starter, but did alternate
quite a bit with the other TB, Sean Jackson.
Mike DuMond
mdu...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
Florida State University
1993 National Champions
Fred Wagner
>Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
>backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
>Oklahoma
>Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
>Patrick Collins RB
>Anthony Stafford RB
>Leon Perry FB
Let's go back to the 1971 Sooners for the most effective backfield led
by Jack Mildren at Quarterback. I believe the backs were Crosswhite,
Wylie and Pruitt. Hopefully I have that right
>
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>I will also leave some space here for Texas A&M fans, who
>will naturally remind UT fans how A&M has been kicking their butts
>every year.
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Fred J. Wagner
fr...@pop.jaring.my
John Walkup
>wal...@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (John Walkup) wrote:
>>
>> Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
>> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
>>
>I'd put my money on:
>Charlie Ward: QB
>Warrick Dunn: TB
>William Floyd: FB
>Dunn wasn't the starter, but did alternate
>quite a bit with the other TB, Sean Jackson.
I doubt this backfield ranks up there with speed. Mind you that
Charles Thompson was certainly faster than Charlie Ward. Anthony
Stafford clocked in at 4.28 once. Floyd might have been faster
than Leon Perry though. Leon was about a 4.5.
Both Patrick Collins and Charles Thompson were easily in the 4.3's.
John Walkup
>> Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
>> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
>>
>> Oklahoma
>>
>> Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
>> Patrick Collins RB
>> Anthony Stafford RB
>> Leon Perry FB
>>
> No way. They weren't even OU's fastest backfield. OU's teams
> of the late seventies and early eighties were faster.
> I.E. Billy Sims, David Overstreet, J.C. Watts, Thomas Lott,
> Horace King(not sure about the name but he played with
> Oakland Raiders,early eighties), Buster"Bazooka" Ryhmes,
> Stanley "where he go" Wilson and some others who I can't
> recollect. SOme of these guys didn't play on the same team
> but there was some overlap there.
I think the backfield that had Lott, Sims, King, and Peacock was the
best backfield of all time. But certainly not the fastest. (There is
no way Lott could keep up with Thompson.)
Question for Sooners buffs. Were Sims, King, and Peacock all first round
picks? I know that all three (including Lott) played in the NFL, and I think that
Sims and King were first round picks, but what about Peacock?
went...@mail.pinn.net
that was the only backfield I know of with, yes, four first round picks.
they all went in the first round.. amazing.
I guess that's why barry switzer told the KC Chiefs he was staying at OU
instead of coaching pro, because OU had more first round draft choices
than KC.
Mike
dsar...@cybersim.com
> >Oklahoma
>
> >Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
> >Patrick Collins RB
> >Anthony Stafford RB
> >Leon Perry FB
>
How about the '78 OU backfield? As I recall, it was:
QB Thomas Lott
FB Kenny King
HB David Overstreet (or was it Elvis Peacock?)
HB Billy Sims
This had to be a great backfield. It scored 31 points on a great Texas defense.
Carlos Aguirre
> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
>
>
> Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
> Patrick Collins RB
> Anthony Stafford RB
> Leon Perry FB
>
of the late seventies and early eighties were faster.
I.E. Billy Sims, David Overstreet, J.C. Watts, Thomas Lott,
Horace King(not sure about the name but he played with
Oakland Raiders,early eighties), Buster"Bazooka" Ryhmes,
Stanley "where he go" Wilson and some others who I can't
recollect. SOme of these guys didn't play on the same team
but there was some overlap there.
> They must be starters and played most of the year.
>
> Who's your pick? SMU's Pony Express? Just curious.
>
Great backfield. Dickerson was fast but not blazing. James, the
current ESPN punk, was a good player but not blazing either. Their
QB, McIhelleny was a very good athlete. Charles Drayton was the
FB, I think, good blocker. Still you couldn't do wrong with them.
In the mid-seventies, TXAM had a huge FB. Black-guy, must have
been 260lbs. Anyone remember his name? Just curious.
Mike Mosley and Curtis Dickey were pretty fast in the late seventies.
And I believe Carl Roaches was the WR. Dickey could fly but didn't
have the instincts of a RB.
Go Canes.
William W Dostalik
> > Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
> > backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
> >
> > Oklahoma
> >
> > Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
> > Patrick Collins RB
> > Anthony Stafford RB
> > Leon Perry FB
> >
> No way. They weren't even OU's fastest backfield. OU's teams
> of the late seventies and early eighties were faster.
> I.E. Billy Sims, David Overstreet, J.C. Watts, Thomas Lott,
> Horace King(not sure about the name but he played with
close, Kenny King
> Oakland Raiders,early eighties), Buster"Bazooka" Ryhmes,
> Stanley "where he go" Wilson and some others who I can't
> recollect. SOme of these guys didn't play on the same team
> but there was some overlap there.
The 70's backfields you cite might have been better than the '87 version
at top, but I doubt they were faster. Maybe faster relative to the
competion at the time, but I would guess Thompson/Holieway, Collins,
Stafford, and Perry would have better 40 times. Collins and Stafford
were incredibly fast. But not as good as Sims and Overstreet.
Whoever mentioned the Charlie Ward backfield, yes, he was a much, much
better qb than Charles Thompson, but I'd have put my money on Thompson in
a footrace. I'd take a healthy Jamelle Holieway over any of them on the
field, though. Especially a healthy senior Jamelle. Even over the 6"
Ditka.
> > They must be starters and played most of the year.
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|> > fr...@pop.jaring.my (Fred Wagner) writes:
|>
|> > >Oklahoma
|> >
|> > >Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
|> > >Patrick Collins RB
|> > >Anthony Stafford RB
|> > >Leon Perry FB
|> >
|>
|>
|> QB Thomas Lott
|> FB Kenny King
|> HB David Overstreet (or was it Elvis Peacock?)
|> HB Billy Sims
|>
|> This had to be a great backfield. It scored 31 points on a great Texas defense.
|>
Why not, everyone of the ba$tard$ is from the great state of Texas.
(as well as your outland trophy winning lineman, Okies are so lame)
and I thought KK went to Houston in 3rd round, not first....
John Walkup
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>|> Carlos Aguirre (carlos_aguir...@cscgt.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
>|> > > Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
>|> > > backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
>|> > >
>|> > > Oklahoma
>|> > >
>|> > > Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
>|> > > Patrick Collins RB
>|> > > Anthony Stafford RB
>|> > > Leon Perry FB
>|> > >
>|> > No way. They weren't even OU's fastest backfield. OU's teams
>|> > of the late seventies and early eighties were faster.
>|> > I.E. Billy Sims, David Overstreet, J.C. Watts, Thomas Lott,
>|> > Horace King(not sure about the name but he played with
>|> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> close, Kenny King
>|>
>|> > Oakland Raiders,early eighties), Buster"Bazooka" Ryhmes,
>|> > Stanley "where he go" Wilson and some others who I can't
>|> > recollect. SOme of these guys didn't play on the same team
>|> > but there was some overlap there.
>|>
>|> The 70's backfields you cite might have been better than the '87 version
>|> at top, but I doubt they were faster. Maybe faster relative to the
>|> competion at the time, but I would guess Thompson/Holieway, Collins,
>|> Stafford, and Perry would have better 40 times. Collins and Stafford
>|> were incredibly fast. But not as good as Sims and Overstreet.
>|>
>|> Whoever mentioned the Charlie Ward backfield, yes, he was a much, much
>|> better qb than Charles Thompson, but I'd have put my money on Thompson in
>|> a footrace. I'd take a healthy Jamelle Holieway over any of them on the
>|> field, though. Especially a healthy senior Jamelle. Even over the 6"
>|> Ditka.
>|>
>Fastest backfields? That's a good one. You guys wouldn't happen to remember
>the Texas A&M backfield circa 1977. I don't know how fast the QB was but
This would be key. Quarterbacks tend to be slower than running backs. But
Thompson was as fast as Patrick Collins.
>George Woodard was the 270 pound fullback who was reputed to have run 9.8 in
>the 100 yards. Curtis Dickey was a 10.1 speedster at one half and the other
>back whose name escapes me right now was also a blazer. Who was the QB on this
There isn't enough information here to warrant a mention. Who are these guys and
how fast were they?
>blazing fast wishbone team? Who was the right halfback. I want to say Johnny
>Jones was his name and he wasn't one of the Jones's who played at UT at the
>same time. I also recall that Mike Mosely, a stellar high school hurdler,
>was the QB at A&M later but he was only a year ahead of me in school and
>sould not have played with these guys all at once. At least I dont think he
Yep. THe rule is: They have to have played in the same backfield.
>would have. ALso during the late 70's the Florida Gators put a team on the
>field that would probably take the cake. They had Don Gaffney at QB who was
>a 4.5 man every day of the week. The fullback was Jimmy Dubose who also could
Thompson was easily down in the 4.3s.
>motor a 4.5 and ran a 9.7 hundred yards. The backup QB was Terry Lecount who
Leon Perry was about a 4.5 too.
>was a sub 46 400 meter man and a 10.3 hundred meter. The main halfbacks were
>Willie (9.5 100) Wilder and Earl (9.6 100 )Carr. In short, when considering the
I would have to see their 40 yard times to compare. But Patrick Collins and
Anthony Stafford may have been just as fast as these guys. In that case, OU
gets the nod for having the faster QB.
>whole backfield I'd say these guys were the fastest. Throw in Wes Chandler at
>Wide receiver who occasionally lined up at running back and you've got trouble.
Backfield. Think backfield.
>This team should have won a national championship but they showed up flat for
>a couple of games during the season and lost to Georgia on a fluke play and
>went through the motions in the Peach Bowl, losing 24-13 to Maryland. Also,
>when considering Oklahoma backfields one should be careful not to forget that
>one year they had both Pruitt and Washington at halfback and Horace Ivory at
>fullback. I don't remember who the QB was that year... who *was* the QB between
>Mildren and Lott?
Steve Davis. The most successful QB in OU history. Not terribly fast, but
a great option man. (He only lost one game in three years of playing.)
None of the players you mention (other than Pruitt) were real speedsters. Washington
had great moves, though.
John Walkup
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>|> >wal...@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (John Walkup) wrote:
>|> >>
>|> >> Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
>|> >> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
>|> >>
>|>
>|> >I'd put my money on:
>|>
>|> >Charlie Ward: QB
>|> >Warrick Dunn: TB
>|> >William Floyd: FB
>|>
>|> >Dunn wasn't the starter, but did alternate
>|> >quite a bit with the other TB, Sean Jackson.
>|>
>|> I doubt this backfield ranks up there with speed. Mind you that
>|> Charles Thompson was certainly faster than Charlie Ward. Anthony
>|> Stafford clocked in at 4.28 once. Floyd might have been faster
>|> than Leon Perry though. Leon was about a 4.5.
>|>
>|> Both Patrick Collins and Charles Thompson were easily in the 4.3's.
>Floyd runs a 4.6-4.7 on a good day. He is not nor will he ever be known for
>his speed.
>Perry was a 9.7 100 dash man back at Jones High School in Orlando so that
>backfield he played in would have to rank up there. Still, as I recall, there
>was another fullback who he split time with who was better and faster but
>had a tendency to fumble. Whatever happened to him?
Rotnei Anderson. He did NOT have a tendency to fumble. In fact, he may have
been the most talented FB ever at OU. Unfortunately, he had to wear a flack
jacket against NU (rib injury) which wouldn't allow him to tuck the ball away.
Still, he was probably the main reason OU beat NU that year (Game of the Decade,
II.)
I don't know if Rotnei was faster. But he was much harder to tackle.
John Walkup
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>Well now hold on there boys! Tony Cassillas and Rick Bryan were both native
Casillas was from New Mexico. I think Bryan was from OU.
William W Dostalik
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> |>
> |> > >Oklahoma
> |> >
> |> > >Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
> |> > >Patrick Collins RB
> |> > >Anthony Stafford RB
> |> > >Leon Perry FB
> |> >
> |>
> |>
> |> FB Kenny King
> |> HB David Overstreet (or was it Elvis Peacock?)
> |> HB Billy Sims
> |>
> |> This had to be a great backfield. It scored 31 points on a great Texas defense.
> |>
> Why not, everyone of the ba$tard$ is from the great state of Texas.
> (as well as your outland trophy winning lineman, Okies are so lame)
Well, the first two of the three OU Heisman winners were from Oklahoma.
Where were all of the many UT Heisman winners from? Besides, if the
best of the Texas talent is smart enough to head north, we won't hold
their Texas heritage against them.
> and I thought KK went to Houston in 3rd round, not first....
This may be correct, I don't know. He did spend the bulk of his time
with Oakland.
Jerry Budd
> > fr...@pop.jaring.my (Fred Wagner) writes:
>
> > >Oklahoma
> >
> > >Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
> > >Patrick Collins RB
> > >Anthony Stafford RB
> > >Leon Perry FB
> >
>
> How about the '78 OU backfield? As I recall, it was:
>
> QB Thomas Lott
> FB Kenny King
> HB David Overstreet (or was it Elvis Peacock?)
> HB Billy Sims
>
> This had to be a great backfield. It scored 31 points on a great Texas
defense.
And only 14 on the Huskers. :) (the first time...)
Jerry Budd
Ronnie Townsend
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|> > > Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
|> > > backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
|> > >
|> > >
|> > > Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
|> > > Patrick Collins RB
|> > > Anthony Stafford RB
|> > > Leon Perry FB
|> > >
|> > of the late seventies and early eighties were faster.
|> > I.E. Billy Sims, David Overstreet, J.C. Watts, Thomas Lott,
|> > Horace King(not sure about the name but he played with
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^
|> close, Kenny King
|>
|> > Oakland Raiders,early eighties), Buster"Bazooka" Ryhmes,
|> > Stanley "where he go" Wilson and some others who I can't
|> > recollect. SOme of these guys didn't play on the same team
|> > but there was some overlap there.
|>
|> The 70's backfields you cite might have been better than the '87 version
|> at top, but I doubt they were faster. Maybe faster relative to the
|> competion at the time, but I would guess Thompson/Holieway, Collins,
|> Stafford, and Perry would have better 40 times. Collins and Stafford
|> were incredibly fast. But not as good as Sims and Overstreet.
|>
|> Whoever mentioned the Charlie Ward backfield, yes, he was a much, much
|> better qb than Charles Thompson, but I'd have put my money on Thompson in
|> a footrace. I'd take a healthy Jamelle Holieway over any of them on the
|> field, though. Especially a healthy senior Jamelle. Even over the 6"
|> Ditka.
|>
Fastest backfields? That's a good one. You guys wouldn't happen to remember
the Texas A&M backfield circa 1977. I don't know how fast the QB was but
George Woodard was the 270 pound fullback who was reputed to have run 9.8 in
the 100 yards. Curtis Dickey was a 10.1 speedster at one half and the other
back whose name escapes me right now was also a blazer. Who was the QB on this
blazing fast wishbone team? Who was the right halfback. I want to say Johnny
Jones was his name and he wasn't one of the Jones's who played at UT at the
same time. I also recall that Mike Mosely, a stellar high school hurdler,
was the QB at A&M later but he was only a year ahead of me in school and
sould not have played with these guys all at once. At least I dont think he
would have. ALso during the late 70's the Florida Gators put a team on the
field that would probably take the cake. They had Don Gaffney at QB who was
a 4.5 man every day of the week. The fullback was Jimmy Dubose who also could
motor a 4.5 and ran a 9.7 hundred yards. The backup QB was Terry Lecount who
was a sub 46 400 meter man and a 10.3 hundred meter. The main halfbacks were
Willie (9.5 100) Wilder and Earl (9.6 100 )Carr. In short, when considering the
whole backfield I'd say these guys were the fastest. Throw in Wes Chandler at
Wide receiver who occasionally lined up at running back and you've got trouble.
This team should have won a national championship but they showed up flat for
a couple of games during the season and lost to Georgia on a fluke play and
went through the motions in the Peach Bowl, losing 24-13 to Maryland. Also,
when considering Oklahoma backfields one should be careful not to forget that
one year they had both Pruitt and Washington at halfback and Horace Ivory at
fullback. I don't remember who the QB was that year... who *was* the QB between
Mildren and Lott?
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|> >>
|> >> Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
|> >> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
|> >>
|>
|>
|> >Charlie Ward: QB
|> >Warrick Dunn: TB
|> >William Floyd: FB
|>
|> >Dunn wasn't the starter, but did alternate
|> >quite a bit with the other TB, Sean Jackson.
|>
|> I doubt this backfield ranks up there with speed. Mind you that
|> Charles Thompson was certainly faster than Charlie Ward. Anthony
|> Stafford clocked in at 4.28 once. Floyd might have been faster
|> than Leon Perry though. Leon was about a 4.5.
|>
|> Both Patrick Collins and Charles Thompson were easily in the 4.3's.
Floyd runs a 4.6-4.7 on a good day. He is not nor will he ever be known for
his speed.
Perry was a 9.7 100 dash man back at Jones High School in Orlando so that
backfield he played in would have to rank up there. Still, as I recall, there
was another fullback who he split time with who was better and faster but
had a tendency to fumble. Whatever happened to him?
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|> Carlos Aguirre <carlos_aguir...@cscgt.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:
|>
|> >> Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
|> >> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
|> >>
|> >>
|> >> Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
|> >> Patrick Collins RB
|> >> Anthony Stafford RB
|> >> Leon Perry FB
|> >>
|> > No way. They weren't even OU's fastest backfield. OU's teams
|> > of the late seventies and early eighties were faster.
|> > I.E. Billy Sims, David Overstreet, J.C. Watts, Thomas Lott,
|> > Horace King(not sure about the name but he played with
|> > Stanley "where he go" Wilson and some others who I can't
|> > recollect. SOme of these guys didn't play on the same team
|> > but there was some overlap there.
|>
|> best backfield of all time. But certainly not the fastest. (There is
|> no way Lott could keep up with Thompson.)
|>
|> Question for Sooners buffs. Were Sims, King, and Peacock all first round
|> picks? I know that all three (including Lott) played in the NFL, and I think that
|> Sims and King were first round picks, but what about Peacock?
Not only was Peacock a number 1 pick but he was taken #4 overall by the Rams...
he subsequently blew out a knee in training camp and never reached his potential.
Funny how many OU Backs blow out knees in the pros. Sims, DuPree, Peacock, Pruitt
and even Washington. Something about that all-out running style I guess. Weird
thing that Pruitt and Washington both came back to have good careers after theirs.
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|> > |>
|> > |> QB Thomas Lott
|> > |> FB Kenny King
|> > |> HB David Overstreet (or was it Elvis Peacock?)
|> > |> HB Billy Sims
|> > |>
|> > |> This had to be a great backfield. It scored 31 points on a great Texas defense.
|> > |>
|>
|> > (as well as your outland trophy winning lineman, Okies are so lame)
|>
Well now hold on there boys! Tony Cassillas and Rick Bryan were both native
Oklahomans as I recall. As were the Selmons.... and Elvis Peacock was from
Miami, Florida if I'm not mistaken.
|> Well, the first two of the three OU Heisman winners were from Oklahoma.
|> Where were all of the many UT Heisman winners from? Besides, if the
|> best of the Texas talent is smart enough to head north, we won't hold
|> their Texas heritage against them.
|>
|> > and I thought KK went to Houston in 3rd round, not first....
|>
|> This may be correct, I don't know. He did spend the bulk of his time
|> with Oakland.
|>
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> |> Derek J. Castleman (derekc@.NoSubdomain.NoDomain) wrote:
> |> > In article <3rv6eu$1...@tattoo.sccsi.com>, dsar...@cybersim.com writes:
> |> > |>
> |> > |> QB Thomas Lott
> |> > |> FB Kenny King
> |> > |> HB David Overstreet (or was it Elvis Peacock?)
> |> > |> HB Billy Sims
> |> > |>
> |> > |> This had to be a great backfield. It scored 31 points on a great Texas defense.
> |> > |>
> |>
> |> > Why not, everyone of the ba$tard$ is from the great state of Texas.
> |> > (as well as your outland trophy winning lineman, Okies are so lame)
> |>
Fred Nixon-wr?-Miami Carol City
Reggie Kinlaw-NG-Miami Springs
Johnny Lewis-DL-Miami Carol City
Dwight Drane-S-Miami Central
Mike Reilly-DE?-Miami Columbus
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> |> Mike DuMond <mdu...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> writes:
> |>
> |> >wal...@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (John Walkup) wrote:
> |> >>
> |> >> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
> |> >>
> |>
> |>
> |> >Charlie Ward: QB
> |> >Warrick Dunn: TB
> |> >William Floyd: FB
> |>
> |> >Dunn wasn't the starter, but did alternate
> |> >quite a bit with the other TB, Sean Jackson.
> |>
> |> I doubt this backfield ranks up there with speed. Mind you that
> |> Charles Thompson was certainly faster than Charlie Ward. Anthony
> |> Stafford clocked in at 4.28 once. Floyd might have been faster
> |> than Leon Perry though. Leon was about a 4.5.
> |>
> |> Both Patrick Collins and Charles Thompson were easily in the 4.3's.
>
> Floyd runs a 4.6-4.7 on a good day. He is not nor will he ever be known for
> his speed.
> Perry was a 9.7 100 dash man back at Jones High School in Orlando so that
> backfield he played in would have to rank up there.
just a pet peeve of mine. These publications always refer to fast
players as 4.3/40m guys(i.e. Jammi German-UM) when in fact Leroy
Burrell's 40split was a 4.3 when he broke the world record in the
100m sprint. High-school recruiting publications are the biggest
perpetrators of this B.S. Some guys are listed as 4.25/40m speedsters.
No doubt Perry was a good one. I thought he was going to do well
in the NFL. What happen? Injuries?
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> |> > > Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
at RB wasn't too shabby, either. He played for the CowBoys and has
been an assistant with Ken Hatfield the last eight years, I believe.
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>
> Not only was Peacock a number 1 pick but he was taken #4 overall by the Rams...
> he subsequently blew out a knee in training camp and never reached his potential.
> Funny how many OU Backs blow out knees in the pros. Sims, DuPree, Peacock, Pruitt
> and even Washington. Something about that all-out running style I guess. Weird
> thing that Pruitt and Washington both came back to have good careers after theirs.
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They succumbed to the numbers game, however.
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|> >|> Carlos Aguirre (carlos_aguir...@cscgt.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
|> >|> > > Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, runnin
|> >Fastest backfields? That's a good one. You guys wouldn't happen to remember
The thing about 40 times is that they have long since been proven to be so much
hype. I list 100 (yards or meter) times because that's what the guys did on
the track with the accutrack going and no coach trying to pump up his draft
stock. Suffice it to say that all the guys in the UF backfield were 4.4 or better
in the forty except the QB and the fullback. I'd say if you wanted to run a
4x40 shuttle the OU team *might* win but if you ran a 4x100 my money would be
heavily on the UF team!!!
|>
|> >whole backfield I'd say these guys were the fastest. Throw in Wes Chandler at
|> >Wide receiver who occasionally lined up at running back and you've got trouble.
|>
|> Backfield. Think backfield.
Hard to think that way on a wishbone team that lined him up everywhere a la
rocket Ismael because they knew this guy was special and they had to get him
the ball. In Chandler's senior year with Lecount taking over full time at QB
and Carr moving to fullback to replace DuBose the team got even faster now that
I think about it because Carr was much faster than DuBose and Wilder made a nice
guy to dish off to. But again the name of the young running back who stepped
in that year escapes me. Gator fans.. who were the primary backfield occupants
for the Gators in '77 and '78?
|> >fullback. I don't remember who the QB was that year... who *was* the QB between
|> >Mildren and Lott?
|>
|> Steve Davis. The most successful QB in OU history. Not terribly fast, but
|> a great option man. (He only lost one game in three years of playing.)
|>
Oh yeah!
|> None of the players you mention (other than Pruitt) were real speedsters. Washington
|> had great moves, though.
You contradict yourself here. Though never a great flat-out sprinter, Little Joe
was a fast over 40 yards as anybody before his knee injury.
Greg Rice
>
>> Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
>> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
>>
>> Oklahoma
>>
>> Patrick Collins RB
>> Anthony Stafford RB
>> Leon Perry FB
>>
> No way. They weren't even OU's fastest backfield. OU's teams
> of the late seventies and early eighties were faster.
> I.E. Billy Sims, David Overstreet, J.C. Watts, Thomas Lott,
> Horace King(not sure about the name but he played with
> Oakland Raiders,early eighties), Buster"Bazooka" Ryhmes,
> Stanley "where he go" Wilson and some others who I can't
> recollect. SOme of these guys didn't play on the same team
> but there was some overlap there.
>
I put my money on the 86 sooners also. Charles Thompson would blow away
Watts or Lott, and Patrick Collins was a blaze but still not as fast and
little Anthony Stafford. Leon Perry wasn't all that fast but who cares as
far as fullbacks go. Previous versions of sooner backfields where more
succesfull (bigger & stronger) but I dount think faster.
Derek J. Castleman
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|> |> > In article <3rv6eu$1...@tattoo.sccsi.com>, dsar...@cybersim.com writes:
|> |> > |>
|> |> > |> QB Thomas Lott
|> |> > |> FB Kenny King
|> |> > |> HB David Overstreet (or was it Elvis Peacock?)
|> |> > |> HB Billy Sims
|> |> > |>
|> |> > |> This had to be a great backfield. It scored 31 points on a great Texas defense.
|> |> > |>
|> |>
|> |> > Why not, everyone of the ba$tard$ is from the great state of Texas.
|> |> > (as well as your outland trophy winning lineman, Okies are so lame)
|> |>
|>
|> Oklahomans as I recall. As were the Selmons.... and Elvis Peacock was from
|> Miami, Florida if I'm not mistaken.
|>
I may be wrong, but I thought OU won MNC, the same year BS won Heisman
and his backfield mates were KK DO and TL. I also think same year your
LG won Outland Trophy, and 8 of 11 def. starters were from Texas.
And it is routine for OU roster to have more Texans than Okies + others
combined.
(Sorry for the confusion, but in my orig. post I was just talking about
that particular backfield, and its glory year, not OU's storied history
of talented players).
def. BA$TARD : Texas highschooler who leaves state for 'higher education'.
|> |> Well, the first two of the three OU Heisman winners were from Oklahoma.
|> |> Where were all of the many UT Heisman winners from? Besides, if the
|> |> best of the Texas talent is smart enough to head north, we won't hold
|> |> their Texas heritage against them.
|> |>
|> |> > and I thought KK went to Houston in 3rd round, not first....
|> |>
|> |> This may be correct, I don't know. He did spend the bulk of his time
|> |> with Oakland.
|> |>
|>
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> went through the motions in the Peach Bowl, losing 24-13 to Maryland. Also,
> when considering Oklahoma backfields one should be careful not to forget that
> one year they had both Pruitt and Washington at halfback and Horace Ivory at
> fullback. I don't remember who the QB was that year... who *was* the QB between
> Mildren and Lott?
You must be kidding. Steve Davis. 2 MNC's and a 22-1 record his last two
seasons. I *think* he was the starter in '73 as well, so make that 32-1-1.
Steve was the first of the Baptist preacher-quarterbacks. J.C. was the second,
and probable starter this season, Eric Moore is the latest.
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>Casillas was from New Mexico. I think Bryan was from OU.
Huh??? Are you on something today?? Tony Casillas is from the
part of New Mexico called "Tulsa". The Bryans are from Coweta,
Oklahoma. Both these locales are well north of Baja Oklahoma!
soONEr born!!!,
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Careful about calling Leon Perry slow.... He ran 4.5 and clocked a consistent
9.7 100 yards in high school! As for raw speed, I'm think Buster Rhymes was a
contemporary of Perry and DuPree who moved to wideout after a stellar freshman
year. He was also from Miami by the way.
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|> OJ and Earl McCullough played together at USC and were on a (one-time)
|> NCAA-record holding 4 x 100 meter relay team.
disservice here. They weren't an NCAA record holding team they were a WORLD
RECORD HOLDING RELAY TEAM!!! Several veer and option I attacks had some pretty
quick QB's at the helm too. How about the Rice, Brown, Watters, Bettis,
Pinkett, at Notre Dame. Plenty of speed to burn there. That Houston veer in
the late 70's had a QB named Danny something who was a force to be reckoned
with... as was the Tennessee option I with Conredge Holloway at the helm and
Stanley Morgan at wingback. Matt Cavanaugh was deadly slow but the Tony Dorsett
and Randy McMillan tandem at Pitt was probably the fastest two back tandem in
history... McMillan was a legit 4.45 and Tony D. ran 9.4 in the 100 yards in
the SuperStars competition in flats!!!
John Walkup
>wal...@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (John Walkup) writes:
>>Casillas was from New Mexico. I think Bryan was from OU.
> Huh??? Are you on something today?? Tony Casillas is from the
>part of New Mexico called "Tulsa". The Bryans are from Coweta,
>Oklahoma. Both these locales are well north of Baja Oklahoma!
Man, you got me! I could have sworn Casillas was out of Clovis, New Mexico.
Have I got him mixed up with someone else?
John Walkup
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>|> OJ and Earl McCullough played together at USC and were on a (one-time)
Pretty small backfield, with only two members. Was this the first
one-back offense in history?
>|> NCAA-record holding 4 x 100 meter relay team.
>We have sort of shafted non-wishbone backfields in this but you do USC a
>disservice here. They weren't an NCAA record holding team they were a WORLD
>RECORD HOLDING RELAY TEAM!!! Several veer and option I attacks had some pretty
>quick QB's at the helm too. How about the Rice, Brown, Watters, Bettis,
>Pinkett, at Notre Dame. Plenty of speed to burn there. That Houston veer in
Now we have five members, on a non-wishbone team. Were do they all go?
How do you keep from getting penalties, since only six would be able
to line up on the line?
And do you really think Rice could keep up with Thompson?
>the late 70's had a QB named Danny something who was a force to be reckoned
Now we have a QB, with no running backs or fullbacks. This must have been
the first run-and-shoot offense in history.
>with... as was the Tennessee option I with Conredge Holloway at the helm and
>Stanley Morgan at wingback. Matt Cavanaugh was deadly slow but the Tony Dorsett
An option attack with only one back. Pretty interesting. This was used
occassionaly at OU, but it would be hard to run all the time.
>and Randy McMillan tandem at Pitt was probably the fastest two back tandem in
>history... McMillan was a legit 4.45 and Tony D. ran 9.4 in the 100 yards in
>the SuperStars competition in flats!!!
Again, the backfield includes the QB, FB, and RBs.
John Walkup
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>> |> Mike DuMond <mdu...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> writes:
>> |>
>> |> >wal...@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (John Walkup) wrote:
>> |> >>
>> |> >> Any guesses as to who had the fastest backfield (quarterbacks, running
>> |> >> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
>> |> >>
>> |>
>> |> >I'd put my money on:
>> |>
>> |> >Charlie Ward: QB
>> |> >Warrick Dunn: TB
>> |> >William Floyd: FB
>> |>
>> |> >Dunn wasn't the starter, but did alternate
>> |> >quite a bit with the other TB, Sean Jackson.
>> |>
>> |> I doubt this backfield ranks up there with speed. Mind you that
>> |> Charles Thompson was certainly faster than Charlie Ward. Anthony
>> |> Stafford clocked in at 4.28 once. Floyd might have been faster
>> |> than Leon Perry though. Leon was about a 4.5.
>> |>
>> |> Both Patrick Collins and Charles Thompson were easily in the 4.3's.
>>
>> Floyd runs a 4.6-4.7 on a good day. He is not nor will he ever be known for
>> his speed.
>> Perry was a 9.7 100 dash man back at Jones High School in Orlando so that
>> backfield he played in would have to rank up there.
> If he ran a 9.7/100m why wasn't he running in the olympics? Sorry,
Because he didn't run a 9.7 100 meter dash. He ran a 9.7 100 YARD dash.
You see, here in the U.S. we use the English system of units.
> just a pet peeve of mine. These publications always refer to fast
> players as 4.3/40m guys(i.e. Jammi German-UM) when in fact Leroy
> Burrell's 40split was a 4.3 when he broke the world record in the
> 100m sprint. High-school recruiting publications are the biggest
> perpetrators of this B.S. Some guys are listed as 4.25/40m speedsters.
Yes, a 4.25 is incredibly fast for 40 yards. But not unattainable.
John Walkup
necessarily that quick for a wishbone QB. I imagine Lott, Watts, Shephard,
Bradley, Thompson, Mitchell, and Collins all ran under or near 4.5 . The same
goes for FB's.
If your idea of a super fast backfield is a 4.5 QB and FB and a super quick
running back then MOST OU backfields would give you a run for your money.
Theodore M. Smith
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> |> >
> |> >> backs, and fullbacks) in history. Here's my nominee.
> |> >>
> |> >>
> |> >> Charles "White Line Fever" Thompson QB
> |> >> Patrick Collins RB
> |> >> Anthony Stafford RB
> |> >> Leon Perry FB
> |> >>
> |
> |>
> |> Watts or Lott, and Patrick Collins was a blaze but still not as fast and
> |> little Anthony Stafford. Leon Perry wasn't all that fast but who cares as
> |> far as fullbacks go. Previous versions of sooner backfields where more
> |> succesfull (bigger & stronger) but I dount think faster.
>
> Careful about calling Leon Perry slow.... He ran 4.5 and clocked a consistent
> 9.7 100 yards in high school! As for raw speed, I'm think Buster Rhymes was a
> contemporary of Perry and DuPree who moved to wideout after a stellar freshman
> year. He was also from Miami by the way.
>
Jerome Brown,Winston Moss, Dan Stubbs and co., chasing them down
at the Orange Bowl. I still think the late 70s crew was faster.
William W Dostalik
> >wal...@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (John Walkup) writes:
Current Sooner wideout Michael Thompson is out of Clovis. (He, by the way,
was one of the fastest running backs ever at OU, running sub-4.3 40's
consistently. He has since moved to wideout, but has played very, very
little anywhere in an injury-plagued career. He was last seen zipping into
the endzone against Texas A&M in '93. Hopefully he can actually play some
this year.)
went...@mail.pinn.net
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>his speed.
>Perry was a 9.7 100 dash man back at Jones High School in Orlando so that
>was another fullback who he split time with who was better and faster but
>had a tendency to fumble. Whatever happened to him?
>
well, in the last switzer years there was lydell carr who was AWESOME (he
basically won the 1985 national title for the offense) and there was a guy later
who was a GREAT runner but was like a circus juggle, rotnei anderson I think.
he never went anywere as far as I know.
Mike
went...@mail.pinn.net
> If he ran a 9.7/100m why wasn't he running in the olympics? Sorry,
> players as 4.3/40m guys(i.e. Jammi German-UM) when in fact Leroy
> Burrell's 40split was a 4.3 when he broke the world record in the
> 100m sprint. High-school recruiting publications are the biggest
> perpetrators of this B.S. Some guys are listed as 4.25/40m speedsters.
> in the NFL. What happen? Injuries?
>
remember: 40 yards and 40 meters are not the same length.
Mike
Jerry Budd
Also, hand held times (i.e. stopwatch) are not very reliable over 40
yards. Simply too much variance in the operator. About 10 years ago Nebr
switched to an electronic system for interval times. When they did this
the 40 times went up .1 - .15 seconds. But they were consistent from day
to day (and no politics or BS either). I don't know if the system is used
all the time or just for evaluation and team or position records. So when
you see someone claim so-and-so runs a 4.1, ask. It was probably a hand
held time. The fastest electronic time at NU I'm aware of was a 4.33 by
Dana Brinson about 5 yrs ago, but it may have been tied/broken by now
(although I'm sure not by much).
As far as the fastest backfield (if you are talking OU) ask any Husker fan
since we spent most of the 70's (and some of the 80's) looking at the
backside of these guys running down the sideline with about 30 sec to go
in the game! I still can't get over the ending of the '76 game. Sigh.
Anyway, My vote for the fastest backfield (QB, FB, RB's) goes to the OU
crew that had Joe Washington. Runner up would be the A&M team with Curtis
Dickey. Charles Thompson was easily the fastest QB at OU, but Mildren and
Holloway were much better at running the option (Holloway was the all time
best at the option, MIckey Joseph/NU and Darian Hagen/CU close runners-up,
IMHO).
I remember reading somewhere a LONG time ago that the 75 OU team (all 100
or so players on the squad) averaged ~4.7 in the 40. I wonder how that
compares to todays teams, since speed is so sought after these days.
Jerry Budd
Jerry...@qmgate.dfrc.nasa.gov
Fred Wagner
helm and
F>Stanley Morgan at wingback. Matt Cavanaugh was deadly slow but the
Tony Dorsett
F>and Randy McMillan tandem at Pitt was probably the fastest two back
tandem in
F>history... McMillan was a legit 4.45 and Tony D. ran 9.4 in the 100
yards in
F>the SuperStars competition in flats!!!
F>--
I remember Pitt with Tony Dorsett vising Norman one year with Dorsett
totally being shut down. Tony was not that fast, but had good moves.
_______________________
Fred J. Wagner
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Fred Wagner
Fould blow away
F>Watts or Lott, and Patrick Collins was a blaze but still not as fast
and
F>little Anthony Stafford. Leon Perry wasn't all that fast but who
cares as
F>far as fullbacks go. Previous versions of sooner backfields where
more
F>succesfull (bigger & stronger) but I dount think faster.
I still would rather have effective versus faster. Some of those
faster backfields at OU did not win as many games as the effective
backfields. Hard to forget those 71 Sooners!
Gary M. Bowling
AU
James Brooks
Joe Cribbs
William Andrews
Paul L Pearson
Mickey Joseph??? Ugh. I've tried to forget everything between Gill and Gerry
Gdowski and Gdowski and Tommie Frazier.
>I remember reading somewhere a LONG time ago that the 75 OU team (all 100
>or so players on the squad) averaged ~4.7 in the 40. I wonder how that
>compares to todays teams, since speed is so sought after these days.
>Jerry Budd
>Jerry...@qmgate.dfrc.nasa.gov
Anyway, what about the backfield of Gill, Fryar and Rozier. Couldn't
have been very slow, except maybe at fullback (who was it again??).
I really like this thread, you could have titled it 'fastest OU
backfield ever' and gotten the same results. I remember some of those
70's games with pitches 60 yards downfield. *assume fetal position*
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|> > In <3s4s6v$j...@post.gsfc.nasa.gov>, Carlos Aguirre
|> <carlos_aguir...@cscgt.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:
|>
|> > > 100m sprint. High-school recruiting publications are the biggest
There isn't any sane person on the net who would dispute this!
|> > > perpetrators of this B.S. Some guys are listed as 4.25/40m speedsters.
|> > > No doubt Perry was a good one. I thought he was going to do well
|> > > in the NFL. What happen? Injuries?
|> > >
|> >
|> > remember: 40 yards and 40 meters are not the same length.
|> >
|>
|> Also, hand held times (i.e. stopwatch) are not very reliable over 40
|> yards. Simply too much variance in the operator. About 10 years ago Nebr
|> switched to an electronic system for interval times. When they did this
|> the 40 times went up .1 - .15 seconds. But they were consistent from day
|> to day (and no politics or BS either). I don't know if the system is used
|> all the time or just for evaluation and team or position records. So when
|> you see someone claim so-and-so runs a 4.1, ask. It was probably a hand
|> held time. The fastest electronic time at NU I'm aware of was a 4.33 by
|> Dana Brinson about 5 yrs ago, but it may have been tied/broken by now
|> (although I'm sure not by much).
|>
|>
|> As far as the fastest backfield (if you are talking OU) ask any Husker fan
|> since we spent most of the 70's (and some of the 80's) looking at the
|> backside of these guys running down the sideline with about 30 sec to go
|> in the game! I still can't get over the ending of the '76 game. Sigh.
|> Anyway, My vote for the fastest backfield (QB, FB, RB's) goes to the OU
|> crew that had Joe Washington. Runner up would be the A&M team with Curtis
|> Dickey. Charles Thompson was easily the fastest QB at OU, but Mildren and
|> Holloway were much better at running the option (Holloway was the all time
|> best at the option, MIckey Joseph/NU and Darian Hagen/CU close runners-up,
|> IMHO).
Lott, Watts and Shephard were pretty damn good with the option too! They just
had overall better back to pitch to than did Holieway and Thompson.... As for
the fastest QB at OU, I believe Eric Mitchell, who later moved to running back
to get some PT, was even faster than Thompson but could never unseat him as the
starter.
|>
|> I remember reading somewhere a LONG time ago that the 75 OU team (all 100
|> or so players on the squad) averaged ~4.7 in the 40. I wonder how that
|> compares to todays teams, since speed is so sought after these days.
I believe one of the Miami team circa '87 claimed that its starters averaged
4.6 but made no mention of the bench. Reggie Collier of Southern Miss was
probably the fastest QB I've ever seen (4.27) but his backfield mates were
no great shakes.. Sammie Winder was notoriously slow.
--
Fred Wagner
F>|> I remember Pitt with Tony Dorsett vising Norman one year with
Dorsett
F>|> totally being shut down. Tony was not that fast, but had good
moves.
F>|
F>Tony D. was very, very fast!!! That he never ran track was by
choice. He was
F>27 or 28 the year he ran 9.4 at the Super Stars... I would bet large
sums of
F>cash he was fast than that when he was 22 or 23 and hadn't spent 5
years getting
F>pounded by large, smelly, sweaty mens!!!
He did not look that fast that Fall day in Norman when he had
something like 36 yards.
F>Ronnie T.
F>SGI Product Support Engineer
F>CSE-UniX
F>ron...@csd.sgi.com
F>(415-390-2529)
Ronnie Townsend
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|> ron...@winona.csd.sgi.com (Ronnie Townsend) wrote:
|>
|> helm and
|> F>Stanley Morgan at wingback. Matt Cavanaugh was deadly slow but the
|> Tony Dorsett
|> F>and Randy McMillan tandem at Pitt was probably the fastest two back
|> tandem in
|> F>history... McMillan was a legit 4.45 and Tony D. ran 9.4 in the 100
|> yards in
|> F>the SuperStars competition in flats!!!
|> F>--
|>
|>
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Tony D. was very, very fast!!! That he never ran track was by choice. He was
27 or 28 the year he ran 9.4 at the Super Stars... I would bet large sums of
cash he was fast than that when he was 22 or 23 and hadn't spent 5 years getting
pounded by large, smelly, sweaty mens!!!
William W Dostalik
> In article <Jerry_Budd-21...@mach8.dfrc.nasa.gov>, Jerry...@qmgate.dfrc.nasa.gov (Jerry Budd) writes:
> Lott, Watts and Shephard were pretty damn good with the option too! They just
> had overall better back to pitch to than did Holieway and Thompson.... As for
> the fastest QB at OU, I believe Eric Mitchell, who later moved to running back
> to get some PT, was even faster than Thompson but could never unseat him as the
> starter.
Mitchell might have been as fast/faster than Thompson, but it was Holieway that
kept Mitchell from playing qb. It is a testament to the talent at OU at that
time that Eric Mitchell couldn't get on the field. He was loaded with talent
and any other school (except maybe Miami) would have had him on the field some-
where. He never succeeded at halfback because he wouldn't shoot the gap; he
hesitated. Maybe because he was so p*ssed that he wasn't at qb. He would have
been a great option qb.
Stu Pidasso
>
>In article <3s8f0o$s...@everest.pinn.net>, went...@pinn.net wrote:
>
>> In <3s4s6v$j...@post.gsfc.nasa.gov>, Carlos Aguirre
><carlos_aguir...@cscgt.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:
>> > just a pet peeve of mine. These publications always refer to fast
>> > players as 4.3/40m guys(i.e. Jammi German-UM) when in fact Leroy
>> > Burrell's 40split was a 4.3 when he broke the world record in the
>> > No doubt Perry was a good one. I thought he was going to do well
>> > in the NFL. What happen? Injuries?
>> >
>>
>> remember: 40 yards and 40 meters are not the same length.
>>
>
>Also, hand held times (i.e. stopwatch) are not very reliable over 40
>yards. Simply too much variance in the operator. About 10 years ago Nebr
I don't think this is the word you meant to use...
>
>Jerry Budd
>Jerry...@qmgate.dfrc.nasa.gov
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|> ron...@winona.csd.sgi.com (Ronnie Townsend) wrote:
|>
|>
|> Dorsett
|> F>|> totally being shut down. Tony was not that fast, but had good
|> moves.
|> F>|
|>
|> F>Tony D. was very, very fast!!! That he never ran track was by
|> choice. He was
|> F>27 or 28 the year he ran 9.4 at the Super Stars... I would bet large
|> sums of
|> F>cash he was fast than that when he was 22 or 23 and hadn't spent 5
|> years getting
|> F>pounded by large, smelly, sweaty mens!!!
|>
|> He did not look that fast that Fall day in Norman when he had
|> something like 36 yards.
|>
handoff the same time you do, nobody looks all that fast.... Trust me on this,
Tony Dorsett was VERY fast. Hell he ran 4.4 at age 33 when he signed with the
Broncos...
Michael E. Dupree
>In article <3s4s97$c...@ds9.spacecom.com>, gr...@uvsg.com (Greg Rice) writes:
>|> >
>|> I put my money on the 86 sooners also. Charles Thompson would blow away
>|> Watts or Lott, and Patrick Collins was a blaze but still not as fast and
>|> little Anthony Stafford. Leon Perry wasn't all that fast but who cares as
>|> far as fullbacks go. Previous versions of sooner backfields where more
>|> succesfull (bigger & stronger) but I dount think faster.
>
>Careful about calling Leon Perry slow.... He ran 4.5 and clocked a consistent
>9.7 100 yards in high school! As for raw speed, I'm think Buster Rhymes was a
>contemporary of Perry and DuPree who moved to wideout after a stellar freshman
>year. He was also from Miami by the way.
No one has mentioned much about Marcus Dupree. Geez, what a damn waste.
Switzer thought he could have been the best RB of anyone he ever coached
if he was willing to work a little harder. As it was, he was pretty
darned good. Ya know, if he had stayed at OU, he would have been on the '85
MNC team. Saw him briefly on the L.A. Rams squad once a couple of years ago.
Nothing remarkable - but then again it was 10 years after the fact.
Rhymes was talented but totally undisciplined. Wasn't he eventually kicked
off the team?
>
>--
>
>
>Ronnie T.
>SGI Product Support Engineer
>CSE-UniX
>ron...@csd.sgi.com
>(415-390-2529)
Mike(and no, I am not relation)
William W Dostalik
> No one has mentioned much about Marcus Dupree. Geez, what a damn waste.
> Switzer thought he could have been the best RB of anyone he ever coached
> if he was willing to work a little harder. As it was, he was pretty
> darned good. Ya know, if he had stayed at OU, he would have been on the '85
> MNC team. Saw him briefly on the L.A. Rams squad once a couple of years ago.
> Nothing remarkable - but then again it was 10 years after the fact.
First OU game I attended, I got to see Marcus bolt for a 70 yarder literally
trampling the Mizzou safety 30 yards down field. It was great: the safety
just stood there waiting for Dupree to put a move on him, apparently Dupree
thought that would be a waste of time, so he just kept on moving straight
ahead basically ignoring the defender. Didn't even slow him down.
> Rhymes was talented but totally undisciplined. Wasn't he eventually kicked
> off the team?
Geez, it seemed like Buster was around forever, though, didn't it? I swear
he must have played for about 8 seasons. Very exciting player.
> Mike(and no, I am not relation)
--
Fred Wagner
F
F>|>
F>|> F>|> I remember Pitt with Tony Dorsett vising Norman one year
with
F>|> Dorsett
F>|> F>|> totally being shut down. Tony was not that fast, but had
good
F>|> moves.
F>|> F>|
F>|>
F>|> F>Tony D. was very, very fast!!! That he never ran track was by
F>|> choice. He was
F>|> F>27 or 28 the year he ran 9.4 at the Super Stars... I would bet
large
F>|> sums of
F>|> F>cash he was fast than that when he was 22 or 23 and hadn't
spent 5
F>|> years getting
F>|> F>pounded by large, smelly, sweaty mens!!!
F>|>
F>|>
F>|> He did not look that fast that Fall day in Norman when he had
F>|> something like 36 yards.
F>|>
F>When the other team's defense is blowing through your o-line and
getting the
F>handoff the same time you do, nobody looks all that fast.... Trust
me on this,
F>Tony Dorsett was VERY fast. Hell he ran 4.4 at age 33 when he signed
with the
F>Broncos...
You make a good point and will concede that OU's defense was
outstanding which likely had more to do with his stats than not.
John Walkup
>In article <3se7v8$3...@jaring.my>, fr...@pop.jaring.my (Fred Wagner) writes:
>|>
>|> F>|> I remember Pitt with Tony Dorsett vising Norman one year with
>|> Dorsett
>|> F>|> totally being shut down. Tony was not that fast, but had good
>|> moves.
>|> F>|
>|>
>|> F>Tony D. was very, very fast!!! That he never ran track was by
>|> choice. He was
>|> F>27 or 28 the year he ran 9.4 at the Super Stars... I would bet large
>|> sums of
>|> F>cash he was fast than that when he was 22 or 23 and hadn't spent 5
>|> years getting
>|> F>pounded by large, smelly, sweaty mens!!!
>|>
>|>
>|> He did not look that fast that Fall day in Norman when he had
>|> something like 36 yards.
>|>
>When the other team's defense is blowing through your o-line and getting the
>handoff the same time you do, nobody looks all that fast.... Trust me on this,
>Tony Dorsett was VERY fast. Hell he ran 4.4 at age 33 when he signed with the
Was that the game that Scott Hill (linebacker) knocked Tony D. cold?
Fred Wagner
F>>|> He did not look that fast that Fall day in Norman when he had
F>>|> something like 36 yards.
F>>|>
getting the
F>>handoff the same time you do, nobody looks all that fast.... Trust
me on this,
F>>Tony Dorsett was VERY fast. Hell he ran 4.4 at age 33 when he
signed with the
F>Was that the game that Scott Hill (linebacker) knocked Tony D. cold?
I believe your memory is good. Scott Hill took him out!
went...@mail.pinn.net
The last sooner D lineman (and the only to my memory) was ricky wren, who played
without the benefit of either of his ACL's. Gutty, steady, but not a headliner.
Mike
Yn3 Dykehouse
Plunkett and ran 80 yards for a touchdown against the Eagles in 1980. I am
not sure but at one time it was record for a touchdown pass in a super bowl.
Go Raiders, we are finally back home.
INET: 01...@pnet16.navy.mil
Carlos Aguirre
> >In article <walkup.803400727@phyast>, wal...@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (John Walkup) writes:
> >|> Organization: The University of Oklahoma (USA)
> >Floyd runs a 4.6-4.7 on a good day. He is not nor will he ever be known for
> >his speed.
> >Perry was a 9.7 100 dash man back at Jones High School in Orlando so that
> >backfield he played in would have to rank up there. Still, as I recall, there
> >was another fullback who he split time with who was better and faster but
> >had a tendency to fumble. Whatever happened to him?
> >
>
>
Fastest backfield of all time:
Vinny Testeverde-3.9/40M(electronically timed)
Alonso Highsmith-4.1/40M(electonically timed)
Melvin Bratton-3.925/40M(electronically timed)
Brett Perriman-29.9ft long jump
Michael Irvin-55" vertical leap(measured after one of
his patented 10 yard receptions).
Brian Blades-40yd triple-jump
Note: Information from Mel Kipers, Lemmings, Blue Chip Illustrated
Dick Vitale, also.
John Walkup
I didn't know they put Pentium chips in electronic timers.
Carlos Aguirre
> >
>
> Fastest backfield of all time:
> Vinny Testeverde-3.9/40M(electronically timed)
> Alonso Highsmith-4.1/40M(electonically timed)
> Melvin Bratton-3.925/40M(electronically timed)
> Brett Perriman-29.9ft long jump
> Michael Irvin-55" vertical leap(measured after one of
> his patented 10 yard receptions).
> Brian Blades-40yd triple-jump
>
> Dick Vitale, also.
I'm just wondering when players are going to be reputed to run
a 4.0/40M. I give it three years. Living up here in Md. I
remember Georgetown's recruitment of Alonzo Mourning. He was a
"7ft2in H.S. All-America ready for the NBA"...a year later, as a
freshman, he was a seven-footer, then several years later on
draft day, he was 6ft9.347inches. Larry Johnson, was a 6ft8in
power forward in H.S. If he's 6,7, David Robinson is 7ft5 instead
of 7ft uhh 6,11.
Swanz2
of Ki-Jana Carter, Mike Milne, Mike Archie, and Jon Witman is the best of
all time
Nyarlathotep
Get that sundial ready to time our 40 yd dash.
--
John Midtgard
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Tennessee sucks and Georgia can go to Hell,
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>
>
>Get that sundial ready to time our 40 yd dash.
Sundial? Last time I ran the 40 they used carbon dating.
-- Dr.D
Brent Page
: Maybe not the fastest but deffinetly the best Penn States' 1994 backfield
: of Ki-Jana Carter, Mike Milne, Mike Archie, and Jon Witman is the best of
: all time
I don't know proven pros from Nebraska '82 are Mike Rozier (heisman
'83) and the one we all remember Roger Craig. I'm not sure of the
third member but these two definitely stand out.