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Kyle T. Jones
Feb 12, 2012, 12:41:34 AM2/12/12
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Much more run of the mill corruption, though:
"We are talking about the family of Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, the
84-year-old billionaire who owns the aging Ambassador Bridge.
Gov. Rick Snyder has made it a top priority to build a second bridge a
couple of miles south, known as the New International Trade Crossing.
Every other living former governor supports a new bridge.
So do most other politicians, the CEOs of Ford, Chrysler and General
Motors, and virtually every chamber of commerce in the state.
Republicans in the Ohio state Senate voted unanimously on support of a
new bridge. The government of Canada wants this bridge so much it has
agreed to pick up Michigan's share of the costs, which the state could
repay years from now out of its share of the tolls. Washington clearly
favors the new bridge.
Astonishingly, the Obama administration has said that Michigan could
count the $550 million Canada is willing to pay for Michigan's share as
matching federal highway funds. That would mean $2.2 billion to fix
Michigan roads, no strings attached.
But the governor hasn't even been able to get a vote on his bridge in
the Legislature, and here's why. The Moroun family has contributed
hundreds of thousands of dollars, possibly millions, to state
legislators who have done his bidding and blocked the bill.
This became apparent last week, thanks to incomplete, but just-released
campaign finance records. They show, for example, that Matty Moroun, his
wife Nora, and his son and daughter-in-law gave at least $242,000 to
various state-related political funds.
Not all of this was direct contributions to legislators. State Sen. Mike
Kowall, R-White Lake, was instrumental in preventing a bill backing the
bridge from reaching the Senate floor. The Morouns indeed gave to his
campaign fund. But they also channeled money to Kowall in other ways,
according to Rich Robinson, who runs the nonpartisan, nonprofit Michigan
Campaign Finance Network.
"The North Oakland PAC was being used as a vehicle to get goods and
services to the Kowalls," said Robinson, who spends a lot of time
analyzing campaign finance reports. Kowall's wife Eileen is a state
representative who also opposes the bridge.
You might think the Michigan Republican Party would have joined its
governor and the state's business interests in backing the bridge. But
it hasn't. Now, we may have learned why. The Morouns gave $100,000 to
the Michigan GOP last year."
http://record-eagle.com/columns/x991868857/Jack-Lessenberry-Overcoming-the-Morouns
"We are talking about the family of Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, the
84-year-old billionaire who owns the aging Ambassador Bridge.
Gov. Rick Snyder has made it a top priority to build a second bridge a
couple of miles south, known as the New International Trade Crossing.
Every other living former governor supports a new bridge.
So do most other politicians, the CEOs of Ford, Chrysler and General
Motors, and virtually every chamber of commerce in the state.
Republicans in the Ohio state Senate voted unanimously on support of a
new bridge. The government of Canada wants this bridge so much it has
agreed to pick up Michigan's share of the costs, which the state could
repay years from now out of its share of the tolls. Washington clearly
favors the new bridge.
Astonishingly, the Obama administration has said that Michigan could
count the $550 million Canada is willing to pay for Michigan's share as
matching federal highway funds. That would mean $2.2 billion to fix
Michigan roads, no strings attached.
But the governor hasn't even been able to get a vote on his bridge in
the Legislature, and here's why. The Moroun family has contributed
hundreds of thousands of dollars, possibly millions, to state
legislators who have done his bidding and blocked the bill.
This became apparent last week, thanks to incomplete, but just-released
campaign finance records. They show, for example, that Matty Moroun, his
wife Nora, and his son and daughter-in-law gave at least $242,000 to
various state-related political funds.
Not all of this was direct contributions to legislators. State Sen. Mike
Kowall, R-White Lake, was instrumental in preventing a bill backing the
bridge from reaching the Senate floor. The Morouns indeed gave to his
campaign fund. But they also channeled money to Kowall in other ways,
according to Rich Robinson, who runs the nonpartisan, nonprofit Michigan
Campaign Finance Network.
"The North Oakland PAC was being used as a vehicle to get goods and
services to the Kowalls," said Robinson, who spends a lot of time
analyzing campaign finance reports. Kowall's wife Eileen is a state
representative who also opposes the bridge.
You might think the Michigan Republican Party would have joined its
governor and the state's business interests in backing the bridge. But
it hasn't. Now, we may have learned why. The Morouns gave $100,000 to
the Michigan GOP last year."
http://record-eagle.com/columns/x991868857/Jack-Lessenberry-Overcoming-the-Morouns
michael anderson
Feb 12, 2012, 12:52:53 AM2/12/12
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On Feb 11, 11:41 pm, "Kyle T. Jones"
corrupt about it....
>
> "We are talking about the family of Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, the
> 84-year-old billionaire who owns the aging Ambassador Bridge.
>
> Gov. Rick Snyder has made it a top priority to build a second bridge a
> couple of miles south, known as the New International Trade Crossing.
> Every other living former governor supports a new bridge.
wtf does that have to do with anything? "every other living former
gov" means as much as me or you.
>
> So do most other politicians, the CEOs of Ford, Chrysler and General
> Motors, and virtually every chamber of commerce in the state.
well if they support a bridge so much why dont they go and build it?
Nobody is stopping them......
> Republicans in the Ohio state Senate voted unanimously on support of a
> new bridge. The government of Canada wants this bridge so much it has
> agreed to pick up Michigan's share of the costs
riiiiiiight.,,,,,,
, which the state could
> repay years from now out of its share of the tolls.
huh? you just said michigan is going to have its costs "picked
up"....if thats the case, why would there be any "repayment" at all?
Washington clearly
> favors the new bridge.
>
> Astonishingly, the Obama administration has said that Michigan could
> count the $550 million Canada is willing to pay for Michigan's share as
> matching federal highway funds. That would mean $2.2 billion to fix
> Michigan roads, no strings attached.
so wait...im a little confused. 2.2bill - 0.55 bill = >1.5
billion...,..where is that money coming from? thin air?
Of course not, it's being taken from my pockets, and those are the
attached strings.....
>
> But the governor hasn't even been able to get a vote on his bridge in
> the Legislature
good....if ford and gm and such want this bridge so much, tell them to
build the damn thing.
, and here's why. The Moroun family has contributed
> hundreds of thousands of dollars, possibly millions, to state
> legislators who have done his bidding and blocked the bill.
awesome....good for them. They are using their own money(ie not mine)
to prevent something that would end up taking my money. Im starting
to like this moroun family whoever they are a lot more.
<onexpadREM...@EVOMERyahoodotyouknow.com> wrote:
> Much more run of the mill corruption, though:
after reading the article posted, I dont see the slightest thing
> Much more run of the mill corruption, though:
corrupt about it....
>
> "We are talking about the family of Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, the
> 84-year-old billionaire who owns the aging Ambassador Bridge.
>
> Gov. Rick Snyder has made it a top priority to build a second bridge a
> couple of miles south, known as the New International Trade Crossing.
> Every other living former governor supports a new bridge.
gov" means as much as me or you.
>
> So do most other politicians, the CEOs of Ford, Chrysler and General
> Motors, and virtually every chamber of commerce in the state.
Nobody is stopping them......
> Republicans in the Ohio state Senate voted unanimously on support of a
> new bridge. The government of Canada wants this bridge so much it has
> agreed to pick up Michigan's share of the costs
, which the state could
> repay years from now out of its share of the tolls.
up"....if thats the case, why would there be any "repayment" at all?
Washington clearly
> favors the new bridge.
>
> Astonishingly, the Obama administration has said that Michigan could
> count the $550 million Canada is willing to pay for Michigan's share as
> matching federal highway funds. That would mean $2.2 billion to fix
> Michigan roads, no strings attached.
billion...,..where is that money coming from? thin air?
Of course not, it's being taken from my pockets, and those are the
attached strings.....
>
> But the governor hasn't even been able to get a vote on his bridge in
> the Legislature
build the damn thing.
, and here's why. The Moroun family has contributed
> hundreds of thousands of dollars, possibly millions, to state
> legislators who have done his bidding and blocked the bill.
to prevent something that would end up taking my money. Im starting
to like this moroun family whoever they are a lot more.
Dennis J
Feb 12, 2012, 9:31:40 AM2/12/12
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and this makes it easier to understand why a conservative like Tom
hates the GOP almost as much as Dems...
--
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To reply, SCRAPE off the end bits.
J. Hugh Sullivan
Feb 12, 2012, 9:32:54 AM2/12/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:41:34 -0600, "Kyle T. Jones"
<onexpa...@EVOMERyahoodotyouknow.com> wrote:
<onexpa...@EVOMERyahoodotyouknow.com> wrote:
>Much more run of the mill corruption, though:
>
>"We are talking about the family of Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, the
>84-year-old billionaire who owns the aging Ambassador Bridge.
>
>Gov. Rick Snyder has made it a top priority to build a second bridge a
>couple of miles south, known as the New International Trade Crossing.
>Every other living former governor supports a new bridge.
Looking at the essentials of your post you are misstating the problem
>
>"We are talking about the family of Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, the
>84-year-old billionaire who owns the aging Ambassador Bridge.
>
>Gov. Rick Snyder has made it a top priority to build a second bridge a
>couple of miles south, known as the New International Trade Crossing.
>Every other living former governor supports a new bridge.
because of your obvious bias. It's not a GoP problem, it's a system
problem.
Billionaire A wants Project A stopped because it would clobber his
investment. So Billionaire A donates to politicians A-Z to vote
against the project. That appears to be a statement of the facts.
In this case it happens to be the GoP. Who do you think would replace
Billionaire A if Project A was to vote for a Right to Work Law in MI?
My guess is that it would be unions and the other party.
Now, reread my first paragraph.
Hugh
Dennis J
Feb 12, 2012, 10:19:09 AM2/12/12
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paid for....
>
>Hugh
Jim Brown
Feb 12, 2012, 12:41:07 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 11, 11:41 pm, "Kyle T. Jones"
<onexpadREM...@EVOMERyahoodotyouknow.com> wrote:
<onexpadREM...@EVOMERyahoodotyouknow.com> wrote:
Since when did bridges start costing a BILLION dollars each? There's
your corruption.
J. Hugh Sullivan
Feb 12, 2012, 2:43:12 PM2/12/12
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:19:09 -0500, Dennis J
<drju...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:32:54 GMT, Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
>Sullivan) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:41:34 -0600, "Kyle T. Jones"
>><onexpa...@EVOMERyahoodotyouknow.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Much more run of the mill corruption, though:
>>>
>>>"We are talking about the family of Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, the
>>>84-year-old billionaire who owns the aging Ambassador Bridge.
>>>
>>>Gov. Rick Snyder has made it a top priority to build a second bridge a
>>>couple of miles south, known as the New International Trade Crossing.
>>>Every other living former governor supports a new bridge.
>>
>>Looking at the essentials of your post you are misstating the problem
>>because of your obvious bias. It's not a GoP problem, it's a system
>>problem.
>>
>>Billionaire A wants Project A stopped because it would clobber his
>>investment. So Billionaire A donates to politicians A-Z to vote
>>against the project. That appears to be a statement of the facts.
>>
>>In this case it happens to be the GoP. Who do you think would replace
>>Billionaire A if Project A was to vote for a Right to Work Law in MI?
>>My guess is that it would be unions and the other party.
>>
>>Now, reread my first paragraph.
>
>look one state south for that answer... again the GOP was bought and
>paid for....
Unions are for people who don't have the talent or ability to succeed
<drju...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:32:54 GMT, Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
>Sullivan) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:41:34 -0600, "Kyle T. Jones"
>><onexpa...@EVOMERyahoodotyouknow.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Much more run of the mill corruption, though:
>>>
>>>"We are talking about the family of Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, the
>>>84-year-old billionaire who owns the aging Ambassador Bridge.
>>>
>>>Gov. Rick Snyder has made it a top priority to build a second bridge a
>>>couple of miles south, known as the New International Trade Crossing.
>>>Every other living former governor supports a new bridge.
>>
>>Looking at the essentials of your post you are misstating the problem
>>because of your obvious bias. It's not a GoP problem, it's a system
>>problem.
>>
>>Billionaire A wants Project A stopped because it would clobber his
>>investment. So Billionaire A donates to politicians A-Z to vote
>>against the project. That appears to be a statement of the facts.
>>
>>In this case it happens to be the GoP. Who do you think would replace
>>Billionaire A if Project A was to vote for a Right to Work Law in MI?
>>My guess is that it would be unions and the other party.
>>
>>Now, reread my first paragraph.
>
>look one state south for that answer... again the GOP was bought and
>paid for....
on their own. Right to work gives talented people a chance to compete
to the limit of their ability. IN obviously favors talented people
over people who have to form gangs to succeed. In IN talent won -
talent is worth paying for.
Hugh
Kyle T. Jones
Feb 12, 2012, 3:14:19 PM2/12/12
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honestly have no idea what a bridge like that should cost - do you? (I
have, however, been on the Ambassador and it's no run of the mill bridge).
I guess corruption is better than "his only reason is he hates
America!!!@!" (see Obama and pipelines).
Cheers.
michael anderson
Feb 12, 2012, 6:06:36 PM2/12/12
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>
> wild how cheaply you can buy control of a State house...
>
> and this makes it easier to understand why a conservative like Tom
> hates the GOP almost as much as Dems...
> --
(sigh)
> wild how cheaply you can buy control of a State house...
>
> and this makes it easier to understand why a conservative like Tom
> hates the GOP almost as much as Dems...
> --
corruption usually involves public monies(ie from you and me) being
diverted to the politicians.
In this case, the supposed "corruption" results in LESS money being
taken from my pocket.
Gosh darn it, if that is corruption give me more of it!!
michael anderson
Feb 12, 2012, 6:10:24 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 12, 8:31 am, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
>
> wild how cheaply you can buy control of a State house...
>
> and this makes it easier to understand why a conservative like Tom
> hates the GOP almost as much as Dems...
enright? What is important to enright is that the govt not take away
> wild how cheaply you can buy control of a State house...
>
> and this makes it easier to understand why a conservative like Tom
> hates the GOP almost as much as Dems...
his freedoms and take as little money from him as neccessary to ensure
that other people wont take away his freedoms and right to pursue
happiness.
Since a 2 billion dollar govt funded bridge failing to get funding
most certainly doesnt do that, I suspect enright is ok with this....
again, if this bridge is really needed, the people who think it is
really needed are more than welcome to build the damn thing and toll
it
Tom Enright
Feb 12, 2012, 6:19:09 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 12, 3:14 pm, "Kyle T. Jones"
If only the state of Michigan had the same governering history as the
city of Detroit. I'm sure nearly 40 years of complete Democratic
control of Michigan would have turned the state into a workers'
paradise.
-Tom Enirght
> Cheers
city of Detroit. I'm sure nearly 40 years of complete Democratic
control of Michigan would have turned the state into a workers'
paradise.
-Tom Enirght
> Cheers
Kyle T. Jones
Feb 12, 2012, 8:18:25 PM2/12/12
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I brought up have to do with what you wrote above, Tom?
Cheers.
Tom Enright
Feb 12, 2012, 10:46:08 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 12, 8:18 pm, "Kyle T. Jones"
Be beloved city is a sewer because of 40 years of Democratic theivery
and mismanagement. The bridge being an excellent example.
Jack Lessenberry is a local left-wing crank whose work typically shows-
up in a free local newspaper with ads that include lines such as "no
fems, fats or harries." I did a brief check of Moroun's political
donations and he gave plenty to Democrats as well, I don't see that
anywhere in the article. Furthermore Gov Snyder received the most
money from Moroun and he doesn't seem to care. This bridge mess has
been going-on for years, since before the GOP majority and shockingly
enough it won't cost anywhere near the estimates.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if a few GOP politicians are
guilty of what is being suggested, but to base this entire sorry saga
on one story from professional nut-case Lessenberry is dum and
stoopid.
-Tom Enright
> Cheers.
and mismanagement. The bridge being an excellent example.
Jack Lessenberry is a local left-wing crank whose work typically shows-
up in a free local newspaper with ads that include lines such as "no
fems, fats or harries." I did a brief check of Moroun's political
donations and he gave plenty to Democrats as well, I don't see that
anywhere in the article. Furthermore Gov Snyder received the most
money from Moroun and he doesn't seem to care. This bridge mess has
been going-on for years, since before the GOP majority and shockingly
enough it won't cost anywhere near the estimates.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if a few GOP politicians are
guilty of what is being suggested, but to base this entire sorry saga
on one story from professional nut-case Lessenberry is dum and
stoopid.
-Tom Enright
> Cheers.
Dennis J
Feb 13, 2012, 7:25:19 AM2/13/12
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:43:12 GMT, Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh
yeah the $8/hr Good jobs that keep ghosting their way here are soooo
helpful.
helpful.
NapalmHeart
Feb 13, 2012, 7:44:49 AM2/13/12
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Hardly. The money being offered by Obama will get spent somewhere. If not
on this bridge, somewhere else.
This is an excellent deal to get a needed international crossing built. It
would be foolish to let it die.
NapalmHeart
Feb 13, 2012, 7:46:26 AM2/13/12
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The fed money isn't to build the bridge. It will be spent on other
necessary infrastructure projects (roads and much smaller bridges).
The fed money isn't to build the bridge. It will be spent on other
necessary infrastructure projects (roads and much smaller bridges).
NapalmHeart
Feb 13, 2012, 7:49:19 AM2/13/12
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spent on other projects, such as local and state roads and bridges. But, no
bridge, no federal money.
NapalmHeart
Feb 13, 2012, 7:51:17 AM2/13/12
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either.
Ken
>
> Hugh
NapalmHeart
Feb 13, 2012, 7:55:06 AM2/13/12
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"Jim Brown" <jimbr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I've not been involved in any billion dollar projects, but when I've seen a
small local bridge go for near $2 million, $1 billion for a bridge of the
size and complexity proposed and the fact that it is an international
project doesn't surprise me. The engineering and legal fees alone must be
huge.
Ken
J. Hugh Sullivan
Feb 13, 2012, 9:06:07 AM2/13/12
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:25:19 -0500, Dennis J
<drju...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
>yeah the $8/hr Good jobs that keep ghosting their way here are soooo
>helpful.
People getting paid $8 an hour are probably worth about $5 per hour.
<drju...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
>yeah the $8/hr Good jobs that keep ghosting their way here are soooo
>helpful.
Talented people have no problem being paid what they are worth.
I liked it when $100 per week was super pay and a Caddy cost about
$900. With union gangs it only increases the number of people on
welfare.
But I love the unions - every time they got a 5% increase I got 7-10%
and never paid union dues.
Hugh
J. Hugh Sullivan
Feb 13, 2012, 9:14:52 AM2/13/12
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fire it.
Service people appear to be duds now. If you have 4 people at a table
you have to go to a 5 star restaurant for them to remember who gets
what. The bill for 6 of us last Sat was $177 at a fairly decent steak
house. When the server came I had to tell him where half the meals
went. Mst cashiers I see can't make change without looking at the
register - even then they have to think about it. I'm not sure how all
us old folk got by without all the crutches youngsters have these
days.
When we went to Chef Prudhommes restaurant (name?) in NOLA on 8 Jan
the server was outstanding - and knowing our son, he was tipped
accordingly.
Hugh
Jim Brown
Feb 13, 2012, 10:22:55 AM2/13/12
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On Feb 13, 6:55 am, "NapalmHeart" <olsonfamNOS...@iserv.net> wrote:
> "Jim Brown" <jimbrown...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I can see a few hundred million...a billion seems over the top and
rife with corruption. Same goes for the Billion-dollar-bridge they
wante to put between Indiana and Kentucky.
> "Jim Brown" <jimbrown...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
rife with corruption. Same goes for the Billion-dollar-bridge they
wante to put between Indiana and Kentucky.
Dennis J
Feb 13, 2012, 10:36:26 AM2/13/12
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buy riverfront land and then route it back to the original roads... 65
at Louisville is a mess.
--
Jim Brown
Feb 13, 2012, 11:15:14 AM2/13/12
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Even locally, they are spending $15 million or so to build a viaduct
over the RR tracks in a town of 4000...just so people don't have to
stop for the trains any longer. Feds and state paying for almost all
of it.
Dennis J
Feb 13, 2012, 11:32:28 AM2/13/12
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in height requirements for the Ohio River, depths for footings, and
costs start spinning like the wheels on a slot Machine...
Jim Brown
Feb 13, 2012, 12:24:31 PM2/13/12
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On Feb 13, 10:32 am, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:15:14 -0800 (PST), Jim Brown
>
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>
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> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:15:14 -0800 (PST), Jim Brown
>
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building each bridge.
http://www.wallstats.com/blog/visualizing-one-billion-dollars/
Dennis J
Feb 13, 2012, 12:52:35 PM2/13/12
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bad either... of course I've heard that Concrete firms like to divvy
up projects before they bid on 'em...
The Henchman
Feb 13, 2012, 10:06:36 PM2/13/12
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On 2/12/2012 12:41 AM, Kyle T. Jones wrote:
> Much more run of the mill corruption, though:
>
> "We are talking about the family of Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, the
> 84-year-old billionaire who owns the aging Ambassador Bridge.
>
> Gov. Rick Snyder has made it a top priority to build a second bridge a
> couple of miles south, known as the New International Trade Crossing.
> Every other living former governor supports a new bridge.
Canada wants access to I-75. I-75 is a major manufacturing interstate
> Much more run of the mill corruption, though:
>
> "We are talking about the family of Manuel J. "Matty" Moroun, the
> 84-year-old billionaire who owns the aging Ambassador Bridge.
>
> Gov. Rick Snyder has made it a top priority to build a second bridge a
> couple of miles south, known as the New International Trade Crossing.
> Every other living former governor supports a new bridge.
that benefits both countries so that's why Canada will pay Michigan 1/2
billion to build a link.
Since Michigan is stalling around, Buffalo and Erie County and New york
State have suddenly decided that the Peace Bridge crossing is out of
date and could use replacing. After all since the Canadian government
is gonna pay some American government 1/2 Billion dollars to build their
infrastructure Western New York is interested.
Problem with Buffalo is there is no North South interstate that can
benefit Canada until I-77 and that's a stretch. But it might be better
that whats at Detroit now.
I-75 is what we need access to. That's where all the car plants and
assemblies are for Canadian made parts. Food manufacturing plants that
use Canadian raw materials. Kraft and General Mills want that new
Ambassador bridge as bad as GM. Toyota and Honda want that bridge too.
Shit Volkswagen wants to churn out 500 000 cars by 2017 at thier new
plant near I-75 and want to use engines from their new engine plant in,
you guess it Ontario Canada.
Look at where all the brand new car plants in the USA and Canada the
last 30 years have been built and tell me how far from I-75 they are.
Ambassador bridge is perhaps the worlds busiest commercial international
crossing. There's alot of billions of dollars in car parts crossing
that bridge.
NapalmHeart
Feb 15, 2012, 4:19:18 AM2/15/12
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When standards are subjective and not really quantifiable and the process of
'good-ol'-boyisim' or 'homeboyism' (such as it often is in government
service) can be brought into play, an organization representing the inerests
of the line staff is beneficial to the interests of the line staff and those
who they serve. I've seen too many people promote based on who they know
and blow rather than how much they know or what they can do.
Ken
'good-ol'-boyisim' or 'homeboyism' (such as it often is in government
service) can be brought into play, an organization representing the inerests
of the line staff is beneficial to the interests of the line staff and those
who they serve. I've seen too many people promote based on who they know
and blow rather than how much they know or what they can do.
Ken
J. Hugh Sullivan
Feb 15, 2012, 9:38:34 AM2/15/12
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:19:18 -0500, "NapalmHeart"
>news:4f3918d3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Service people appear to be duds now. If you have 4 people at a table
>> you have to go to a 5 star restaurant for them to remember who gets
>> what. The bill for 6 of us last Sat was $177 at a fairly decent steak
>> house. When the server came I had to tell him where half the meals
>> went. Mst cashiers I see can't make change without looking at the
>> register - even then they have to think about it. I'm not sure how all
>> us old folk got by without all the crutches youngsters have these
>> days.
>>
>> When we went to Chef Prudhommes restaurant (name?) in NOLA on 8 Jan
>> the server was outstanding - and knowing our son, he was tipped
>> accordingly.
>>
>> Hugh
>
>When standards are subjective and not really quantifiable and the process of
>'good-ol'-boyisim' or 'homeboyism' (such as it often is in government
>service) can be brought into play, an organization representing the inerests
>of the line staff is beneficial to the interests of the line staff and those
>who they serve. I've seen too many people promote based on who they know
>and blow rather than how much they know or what they can do.
>
>Ken
In my mind politics hasn't changed much. I grew up hearing about Theo
Bilbo and the Kingfish, Huey Long. At one time the highest paying
political job was the guy in MS who collected taxes on all illegal
sales of liquor (the state was dry).
Service people have changed. There was a time when service people were
helpful and friendly and they could make change. Now they are the
duds. The dropouts are on welfare.
Hugh
>news:4f3918d3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Service people appear to be duds now. If you have 4 people at a table
>> you have to go to a 5 star restaurant for them to remember who gets
>> what. The bill for 6 of us last Sat was $177 at a fairly decent steak
>> house. When the server came I had to tell him where half the meals
>> went. Mst cashiers I see can't make change without looking at the
>> register - even then they have to think about it. I'm not sure how all
>> us old folk got by without all the crutches youngsters have these
>> days.
>>
>> When we went to Chef Prudhommes restaurant (name?) in NOLA on 8 Jan
>> the server was outstanding - and knowing our son, he was tipped
>> accordingly.
>>
>> Hugh
>
>When standards are subjective and not really quantifiable and the process of
>'good-ol'-boyisim' or 'homeboyism' (such as it often is in government
>service) can be brought into play, an organization representing the inerests
>of the line staff is beneficial to the interests of the line staff and those
>who they serve. I've seen too many people promote based on who they know
>and blow rather than how much they know or what they can do.
>
>Ken
Bilbo and the Kingfish, Huey Long. At one time the highest paying
political job was the guy in MS who collected taxes on all illegal
sales of liquor (the state was dry).
Service people have changed. There was a time when service people were
helpful and friendly and they could make change. Now they are the
duds. The dropouts are on welfare.
Hugh
Kyle T. Jones
Feb 17, 2012, 7:27:46 PM2/17/12
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republican state congresscritter is an excellent example of Dem
mismanagement of Detroit?
Tom, I honestly believe an (R) could @#$% a sheep on national
television, and you'd use it as an excellent example of the (D)s long
running efforts to undermine American Values.
Cheers.
michael anderson
Feb 17, 2012, 7:33:37 PM2/17/12
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On Feb 13, 6:44 am, "NapalmHeart" <olsonfamNOS...@iserv.net> wrote:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Hardly. The money being offered by Obama will get spent somewhere. If not
> on this bridge, somewhere else.
this is the lamest argument biggov spenders use of all of
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Hardly. The money being offered by Obama will get spent somewhere. If not
> on this bridge, somewhere else.
them......it's akin to seeing an 85 yo disabled women walking down the
road in a bad neighborhood alone and robbing her because "if I didnt
do it, someone else would have".....
michael anderson
Feb 17, 2012, 7:35:56 PM2/17/12
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I think it is 100% correct to just assume with all of these projects
that all the main players involve are just pilfering massive amounts
of money.
extreme and massive corruption in govt contracts is the rule, not the
exception.
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