The media trying to influence an election?

[RaginPage]

Nah!!! Wouldn't happen.

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-air-interview-gingrich-ex-wife-031808081.html

Brent

[RaginPage]

[Dennis J]

seems like they are just reminding people of the past. I mean really,
Gingrich's own Party laid the smack down on him for being slimy, why
should anybody be taking him seriously now?
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[unklbob]

On Jan 19, 5:31 am, RaginPage <btpage0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Nah!!!  Wouldn't happen.
>

> http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-air-interview-gingrich-ex-wife-0318080...
>
> Brent

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Romney's people weren't behind
giving the tip to ABC--it's no secret that she has some animosity
towards Newt, but she wasn't coming forward unless approached.
Romney's superpac is really flooding the airways here in Florida with
anti-Newt and anti-Santorum ads. I assume its funded by the
Marriotts, as well as a few other Utah bigwigs.

[RaginPage]

On Jan 19, 8:07 am, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:31:14 -0800 (PST), RaginPage
>

> <btpage0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Nah!!!  Wouldn't happen.
>

> >http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-air-interview-gingrich-ex-wife-0318080...

>
> >Brent
>
> seems like they are just reminding people of the past. I mean really,
> Gingrich's own Party laid the smack down on him for being slimy, why
> should anybody be taking him seriously now?

I'm actually pretty disturbed by the role the media has taken in
politics really ever since Watergate. It's like once that story
broke, the floodgates opened. A couple of decades later, those in the
media are actually trying to shape elections. I don't like it.

Information is fine, when it is presented equally, and investigated
properly. That is rarely being done these days.

Brent

[RaginPage]

Maybe. But after Newt showed he could and would do the same thing in
return, I've lost a lot of interest in this primary.

I wish Santorum had a little more support, although not if it means
the same kind of Super pacs.

Brent

[Dennis J]

did you forget all of the crap Newt pulled when Clinton was in office?
The info is still out there, add to it his lying about lobbying? he's
an Inside Outsider...
Santorum isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer but at least he's more
Honest.

[RaginPage]

On Jan 19, 9:31 am, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:48:16 -0800 (PST), RaginPage
>
>
>
>
>
> <btpage0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 19, 8:07 am, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:31:14 -0800 (PST), RaginPage
>
> >> <btpage0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >Nah!!!  Wouldn't happen.
>
> >> >http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-air-interview-gingrich-ex-wife-0318080...
>
> >> >Brent
>
> >> seems like they are just reminding people of the past. I mean really,
> >> Gingrich's own Party laid the smack down on him for being slimy, why
> >> should anybody be taking him seriously now?
>
> >I'm actually pretty disturbed by the role the media has taken in
> >politics really ever since Watergate.  It's like once that story
> >broke, the floodgates opened.  A couple of decades later, those in the
> >media are actually trying to shape elections.  I don't like it.
>
> >Information is fine, when it is presented equally, and investigated
> >properly.  That is rarely being done these days.
>
> >Brent
>
> did you forget all of the crap Newt pulled when Clinton was in office?

I know what was portrayed, but I didn't pay close enough attention
back then to know what actually happened. I dig deeper these days.

> The info is still out there, add to it his lying about lobbying?

How did he lie about lobbying? Surely you aren't talking about Fannie
Mae or whatever, because it's pretty clear that wasn't lobbying.

>he's
> an Inside Outsider...

Could be, but it doesn't justify anything.

> Santorum isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer but at least he's more
> Honest.

I think Santorum is pretty sharp. He has a much better grasp on
policy than anyone in the field other than Newt. The entire process,
it's been Santorum calling the other candidates out on their BS.

Brent

[xyzzy]

Seriously? You've never heard of William Randolph Hearst? Never read
any history of earlier America? The press today is a paragon of
neutrality compared to earlier times in American history.

[Tom Enright]

On Jan 19, 5:31 am, RaginPage <btpage0...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Nah!!!  Wouldn't happen.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-air-interview-gingrich-ex-wife-0318080...

It's worser, ABC runs a smear-job on Romney:

I DON’T BLAME HIM: ABC News Reports Romney Has Millions Parked
Offshore.

It’s peanuts compared to Apple’s offshore billions, of course. But I
imagine Romney’s doing it for the same reasons Apple is.

Meanwhile, Andrew Morriss writes: “As someone who has actually been to
the Caymans, and spoken repeatedly with Cayman hedge fund
professionals, here are a couple of things ABC News missed that they
would have found if – say – they had bothered to use a sophisticated
research tool like Google to learn about the hedge fund industry. With
even minimal digging, they might have found an expert like Houman
Shadab at New York Law School, the best academic writer on HFs around,
who could have explained how HFs work. Instead they went to the Tax
Justice Network, a highly partisan group dedicated to impoverishing
the people of the small jurisdictions that specialize in international
business. . . . Had they looked a little more, they would have found
that Delaware is the top US domicile for hedge funds. Perhaps they
could have asked VP Biden for a comment on why HFs cluster there.”

Meanwhile, from Dan Mitchell: ABC News Produces Empty and Biased Story
on Mitt Romney and Tax Havens. “You’re probably thinking you missed
something, because there’s nothing to the story. But that’s because
the reporters don’t have anything. And if you think I excerpted
unfairly, feel free to read the whole article. The only thing you’ll
discover is that Ross and Chuchmach are biased hacks. Because not only
did they write a story about nothing, they also quoted two left-
wingers, Jack Blum and Rebecca Wilson, and failed to give the other
side even an inch of column space. Blum is a former John Kerry staffer
who is most famous for making unsubstantiated claims (which he later
admitted were fabricated) that tax havens resulted in $100 billion of
lost revenue to the Treasury each year. And Rebecca Wilson works for
Citizens for Tax Justice, a union-funded group so radical that even
congressional Democrats usually are reluctant to work with them.”

-------------------

-Tom Enright

> Brent

[Tom Enright]

On Jan 19, 8:20 am, unklbob <mcgrisw...@aol.com> wrote:

"The Tip?" What "tip"? Is there anything new here?

Besides, leaking divorce details of a political rival is Obama's
trademark ($1 to instapundit)

-Tom Enright

[xyzzy]

Dude, that makes no sense. It is in Obama's best interest for Newt to
be doing very well right now.

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

> neutrality compared to earlier times in American history.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah - for all the vitriol we see now, it's kinda tame compared to the
past

[Thomas R. Kettler]

In article
<adf9c4a1-11aa-4adb...@h12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,

Hey to James Blaine's campaign against Grover Cleveland and allegations
of an illegitimate child: "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa?"

Also, read about the 1800 election campaign between Jefferson and Adams?
Former friends, they didn't speak to each other for years after the
vitriol.

Anyone who wishes to learn about campaigning and how negative
campaigning has existed throughout the centuries should read:

"Slinging Mud: Rude Nicknames, Scurrilous Slogans, and Insulting Slang
from Two Centuries of American Politics" by Rosemarie Ostler

<http://www.amazon.com/Slinging-Mud-Nicknames-Scurrilous-Insulting/dp/039
9536914/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326993267&sr=1-1>

or

"Mudslingers: The Twenty-Five Dirtiest Political Campaigns of All Time"
by Kerwin Swint

<http://www.amazon.com/Mudslingers-Twenty-Five-Dirtiest-Political-Campaig
ns/dp/B004L2KPXA/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326993189&sr=1-1>
--
Remove blown from email address to reply.

[RaginPage]

I realize that from a historical lense, but in my lifetime it is
getting much worse than it was in the 70's, 80's and to some extent
the 90's. In the really early days, the only widely circulated papers
were total mouthpieces, but at least people knew it. Today, it gets
disguised as "news" and as "fact checking".

Brent

[Dennis J]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:15:17 -0500, "Thomas R. Kettler"
<tket...@blownfuse.net> wrote:

>http://www.amazon.com/Slinging-Mud-Nicknames-Scurrilous-Insulting/dp/039
>9536914/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326993267&sr=1-1

She claims the Republicans fought the Federalists? interesting as the
GOP's Birthplace in Ripon, Wisconsin wasn't even a state then...

[RaginPage]

On Jan 19, 12:30 pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:15:17 -0500, "Thomas R. Kettler"
>

> <tkett...@blownfuse.net> wrote:
> >http://www.amazon.com/Slinging-Mud-Nicknames-Scurrilous-Insulting/dp/039
> >9536914/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326993267&sr=1-1
>
> She claims the Republicans fought the Federalists? interesting as the
> GOP's Birthplace in Ripon, Wisconsin wasn't even a state then...

The only party that ever did fight the Federalists were the
Republicans. Neither of those two parties exist anymore.

Brent

[Dennis J]

they were the Democratic-Republicans...

[Futbol Phan]

On Jan 19, 4:31 am, RaginPage <btpage0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Nah!!!  Wouldn't happen.
>

> http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-air-interview-gingrich-ex-wife-0318080...
>
> Brent

If the information is false, Newt should say so. If it is true, maybe
he should stop trying to be a family values kind of guy...

[Dennis J]

this is unpossible, he'd have to start in order to stop...

[RaginPage]

On Jan 19, 1:08 pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:32:44 -0800 (PST), RaginPage
>

> <btpage0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 19, 12:30 pm, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:15:17 -0500, "Thomas R. Kettler"
>
> >> <tkett...@blownfuse.net> wrote:
> >> >http://www.amazon.com/Slinging-Mud-Nicknames-Scurrilous-Insulting/dp/039
> >> >9536914/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326993267&sr=1-1
>
> >> She claims the Republicans fought the Federalists? interesting as the
> >> GOP's Birthplace in Ripon, Wisconsin wasn't even a state then...
>
> >The only party that ever did fight the Federalists were the
> >Republicans.  Neither of those two parties exist anymore.
>
> >Brent
>
> they were the Democratic-Republicans...

Nope. Not until after the Federalists were gone were they considered
that.

Also of note, only *certain* historians insist on referring to them as
Democratic-Republicans in their works.

Source material shows this to be incorrect.

Brent

[Thomas R. Kettler]

In article <csogh7d4a8jkgtu6c...@4ax.com>,

Dennis J <drju...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:11:05 -0800 (PST), Futbol Phan
> <sgz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 19, 4:31 am, RaginPage <btpage0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Nah!!!  Wouldn't happen.
> >>
> >> http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-air-interview-gingrich-ex-wife-0318080...
> >>
> >> Brent
> >
> >If the information is false, Newt should say so. If it is true, maybe
> >he should stop trying to be a family values kind of guy...
>
> this is unpossible, he'd have to start in order to stop...

His values fit those of the Manson family.

[Dennis J]

NAh Marilyn Manson is a one woman kind of guy...

[Plaidmoon]

It's rather more tame than many other places in the world right now.
England for an example.

[Tom Enright]

Yeah, probably.

-Tom Enright

[Kyle T. Jones]

All they care about is ratings, Brent. *That's* their bias.

Cheers.

[Kyle T. Jones]

Oh, that's all crap, it's a meaningless worthless analysis to argue
over, just a total disconnect from anything that matters.

It's all up to interpretation, some would say it'd be equally honest to
claim it went Federalist Party -> @#$%ing Whigs -> Repulican Party
(Modern Form).

Or perhaps more honestly, you'd say the Democratic-Republican party
split, with half going Webster/Whig and the other half going Jackson/Dem.

In any case, what does it matter? I could give a shit if the Republican
Whig Wearers of 1836 best represented my values.

Cheers.

[Kyle T. Jones]

On 1/19/12 9:28 AM, Tom Enright wrote:
> On Jan 19, 5:31 am, RaginPage<btpage0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Nah!!! Wouldn't happen.
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-air-interview-gingrich-ex-wife-0318080...
>
> It's worser, ABC runs a smear-job on Romney:
>

Now I'm confused, is ABC backing Romney or Newt?

Cheers.