ALABAMA + 11-0 = NO SHOT AT NAT. TITLE. ha.

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Jeremy M P

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Nov 19, 1994, 7:10:14 PM11/19/94
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Even if Alabama beats the hell out of Florida next week, they have no
shot at the national championship.... If Nebraska doesn't win the award,
Penn State will take it... I hope that you Bama' fans realize that your
"great" season will end with a #2 ranking at BEST. Most likely result -
Alabama loses to Florida and then wins a close bowl game.... Second most
likely result - Alabama loses in a national championship bowl game. There
is absolutely no chance for BAMA! Nebraska is going to win it all!!!!!

Lance Lane

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Nov 19, 1994, 9:51:34 PM11/19/94
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Not if they play Miami or FLorida State in the Orange bowl. JUST SAY
NO TO NEBRASKA!
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Chadwick Shon Dotson

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Nov 20, 1994, 1:03:43 AM11/20/94
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Wrong!!! Alabama will beat Florida in two weeks for the SEC
championship...then a Colorado team that will be ranked #5 in
the Sugar Bowl. That will give Bama 4 straight victories over
ranked opponents, the last three being against the #'s 3, 4,
and 5 teams in the country. That, coupled with Nebraska's ugly
loss to Miami in the Orange Bowl will vault the Tide to the
mythical National Championship.

Actually, this is what Beano Cooke said...but I have to agree
with him. Penn State is playing a nobody in a nothing bowl.
If Alabama wins out, they are the champs, unless Nebraska wins
out.

The Tide will win it....they have The Bear watching over them.
Paul W. Bryant won't allow them to miss out on the MNC...
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Nyarlathotep

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In article <CzJy6...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cs...@darwin.clas.Virginia.EDU (Chadwick Shon Dotson) writes:
>Wrong!!! Alabama will beat Florida in two weeks for the SEC
>championship

Official Woof Count
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Bama 5
Florida 3

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Leo Bueno

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Nov 20, 1994, 1:25:11 PM11/20/94
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Hats off to Alabama (one of the teams I really dislike).

Jeremy M P W R O T E I N rec.sport.football.college:

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Gary Stephen

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Garbage. Garbage. Garbage.

We all know about the voter's what-have-you-won-for-me-lately attitude
about moving teams up and down, and I think Bama's victory over Auburn
today, coupled with a win over Florida in two weeks (if they beat UF)
could move the Tide to #1 going into the bowls, especially if Nebraska
doesn't look impressive against Oklahoma. NU is far superior to OU, but you
can never tell in intense rivalry games.

As far as PSU...I have a hard time giving a #1 vote to a team that goes
12-0 without playing a single Top 10 foe. Joe Pa has had three undefeated
seasons end in no MNC; this could be his fourth. The only way PSU wins it
is if Bama and Nebraska both fall.

Sure, PSU blew out the Big 10, including OSU and Michigan, but Big 10 teams
haven't been too impressive in non-conference games this season
(Michigan-Colorado, Washington-Ohio State, Washington State-Illinois,
Wisconsin-Colorado, Oregon-Iowa, Minnesota-Kansas State, etc.)

NU has a big win over Colorado, a couple lesser wins over Kansas State
and Cotton Bowl-bound Texas Tech, and a shot at Top 5 Miami in the Orange
Bowl.

If Bama goes 13-0, they will have beaten, in succession, 8-3 Mississippi
State, 9-1-1 Auburn, 9-2 or 10-1 Florida, and a Sugar Bowl foe.

The question is not Nebraska or Penn State.
The question is Nebraska or Alabama.

Gary S.

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Changsub Shim

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Nov 21, 1994, 12:12:08 AM11/21/94
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In article <3ap258$k...@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu>, ll...@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (Lance Lane) says:
>
>I believe the TIDE will roll because UF has NO running game and the
>TIDE is going to blitz all day and WAURFEL or DEAN are going to end up
>like Torreta on their back. AND NEBRASKA they haven't won a bowl game
>since Jesus was a baby.

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Alabama's chance is not so great, I think.
First, they have to win Florida.
Second, they have to beat FSU or maybe Miami in Sugar.
Last, NU should lose in the bowl.

All the above can be possible, but not very likely.
Then again, who knows? Just enjoy the games.


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Nyarlathotep

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Nov 21, 1994, 12:06:07 AM11/21/94
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In article <3ap258$k...@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> ll...@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (Lance Lane) writes:
>I believe the TIDE will roll because UF has NO running game

Shows what you know moron:

NCAA Statistics
---------------

Average Rushing Yards

Florida 173.3
Alabama 167.3


So Florida has a better rushing game than Bama.


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Jsendal

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Nov 20, 1994, 11:15:14 PM11/20/94
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In article <3amfu6$1s...@freenet3.freenet.ufl.edu>,
afn0...@freenet3.freenet.ufl.edu (Gary Stephen) writes:

>The question is not Nebraska or Penn State.
>The question is Nebraska or Alabama.

Very well put, Mr. Stephen. See you in two weeks, and may the best team
win. (By the way, I hope the Gators roll next week in T-town.)

Lance Lane

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Matt Foley

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Nov 21, 1994, 1:42:17 AM11/21/94
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According to Nyarlathotep <mitg...@math.ufl.edu>:

> In article <3ap258$k...@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> ll...@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (Lance Lane) writes:
> >I believe the TIDE will roll because UF has NO running game
>
> Shows what you know moron:
>
> NCAA Statistics
> ---------------
>
> Average Rushing Yards
>
> Florida 173.3
> Alabama 167.3

John, I must question the use of real statistics in answering any
query about football here on the rsfc. The real statistic is:

Official Weauxf (look, I spelled it correctly :-) Count
----------------------------------------------------
Bama 8
UF 4

All other stats are meaningless.
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Nyarlathotep

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Nov 21, 1994, 2:04:59 AM11/21/94
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In article <3apfg9$o...@news.nd.edu> mfo...@elgreco.helios.nd.edu (Matt Foley) writes:

>> Average Rushing Yards
>>
>> Florida 173.3
>> Alabama 167.3
>
>John, I must question the use of real statistics in answering any
>query about football here on the rsfc.

Darn! I am sorry Matt, it won't happen again!

>The real statistic is:
>
>Official Weauxf (look, I spelled it correctly :-) Count
>----------------------------------------------------
>Bama 8
>UF 4
>
>All other stats are meaningless.

Are you moving in on my action?


Damn domers, you gotta watch them all the time,


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Matt Foley

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Nov 21, 1994, 9:17:50 AM11/21/94
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According to Nyarlathotep <mitg...@math.ufl.edu>:

> In article <3apfg9$o...@news.nd.edu> mfo...@elgreco.helios.nd.edu (Matt Foley) writes:
> >The real statistic is:
> >
> >Official Weauxf (look, I spelled it correctly :-) Count
> >----------------------------------------------------
> >Bama 8
> >UF 4
> >
> >All other stats are meaningless.
>
> Are you moving in on my action?

Sorry about that, John, it should read "Unofficial Weauxf Count". Yours
is, of course, the official tally. To tell you the truth, I'm thoroughly
impressed by Alabama's showing in this matter. Usually I would expect
CIRCA (minus Tony D of course) to out-weauxf everyone in the nation
except PSU. The restraint from Gainesville has been incredible.

(But then again, they may be more concerned with beating FSU this
week),

N. Decker

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Nov 21, 1994, 2:19:26 PM11/21/94
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Nyarlathotep wrote:

: In article <3ap258$k...@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> ll...@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (Lance Lane) writes:
: >I believe the TIDE will roll because UF has NO running game

: Shows what you know moron:

: NCAA Statistics
: ---------------
: Average Rushing Yards
: Florida 173.3
: Alabama 167.3

: So Florida has a better rushing game than Bama.

So? That's not saying much - neither team seems to be a big
ground team. It will depend on passing and coverage I am sure.

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Jeremy M P

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Nov 21, 1994, 1:30:05 PM11/21/94
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In article <3apa78$9...@Tut.MsState.Edu>, c...@Ra.MsState.Edu (Changsub
Shim) writes:

- -Alabama's chance is not so great, I think.
- - First, they have to win Florida.
- - Second, they have to beat FSU or maybe Miami in Sugar.
- - Last, NU should lose in the bowl.

Alabama has no chance. They just received ONE AP vote. It is over. Penn
State has to lose, Nebraska has to lose, and Alabama has to CRUSH Florida
and FSU or Miami.... NO CHANCE!

Jeremy M P

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Nov 21, 1994, 1:30:14 PM11/21/94
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In article <3ap9rv$o...@cutter.clas.ufl.edu>, mitg...@math.ufl.edu
(Nyarlathotep) writes:

>Shows what you know moron:
>NCAA Statistics
>---------------
>Average Rushing Yards
>Florida 173.3
>Alabama 167.

>So Florida has a better rushing game than Bama.

YOU TELL EM!!! 1 AP vote this week for BAMA!!! haha... season all for
not!!!


Nyarlathotep

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Nov 21, 1994, 4:04:38 PM11/21/94
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In article <3aqovm$3...@newsbf01.news.aol.com> jere...@aol.com (Jeremy M P) writes:

>>So Florida has a better rushing game than Bama.
>
>YOU TELL EM!!! 1 AP vote this week for BAMA!!! haha... season all for
>not!!!


Actually in the student poll on rsfc I have been voting Alabama #1 the past
two weeks.


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Justin Frederich

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Nov 21, 1994, 6:23:55 PM11/21/94
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afn0...@freenet3.freenet.ufl.edu (Gary Stephen) writes:

>Garbage. Garbage. Garbage.

>We all know about the voter's what-have-you-won-for-me-lately attitude
>about moving teams up and down, and I think Bama's victory over Auburn
>today, coupled with a win over Florida in two weeks (if they beat UF)
>could move the Tide to #1 going into the bowls, especially if Nebraska
>doesn't look impressive against Oklahoma.

And Alabama looked impressive over Gloria Vanderbilt 17-7, Arkansas 13-6
Tulame 20-10, Georgia 29-28, Southern Miss 14-6, Tenn 17-13, MissST. 29-24 ?
They also played Tenn Chatt.

>If Bama goes 13-0, they will have beaten, in succession, 8-3 Mississippi
>State, 9-1-1 Auburn, 9-2 or 10-1 Florida, and a Sugar Bowl foe.

Miss St is 7-3 with an out of conference slate typical of the SEC.
- they played Memphis,Ark.St, and Tulane
- Auburn was the only real ranked team on your schedule
- why do you have to use the SECC and Sugar to pump up the
level of your opponents
- why don't you schedule tougher opponents to begin with

Justin Frederich

Screams73

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Nov 21, 1994, 4:15:34 PM11/21/94
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In article <3apfg9$o...@news.nd.edu>, mfo...@elgreco.helios.nd.edu (Matt
Foley) writes:

blah blah blah...

> Official Weauxf (look, I spelled it correctly :-) Count
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Bama 8
> UF 4

The only stat that matters is the final score of the SEC championship
game.

Nyarlathotep

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In article <3aqrru$m...@Tut.MsState.Edu> na...@Isis.MsState.Edu (N. Decker) writes:
>: >I believe the TIDE will roll because UF has NO running game

>: Shows what you know moron:
>: NCAA Statistics
>: ---------------
>: Average Rushing Yards
>: Florida 173.3
>: Alabama 167.3
>
>: So Florida has a better rushing game than Bama.
>
>So? That's not saying much - neither team seems to be a big
>ground team. It will depend on passing and coverage I am sure.
>

Passing Yards
--------------------------
Florida 356 221 3164 316.4
Alabama 225 136 1924 174.9


Rushing Defense
-------------------
Florida 312 801 80.1
Alabama 418 1505 136.8


Passing Defense Efficiency
-------------------------- att com yds int effeciency
Florida 365 191 2047 12 100.97
Alabama 290 151 1803 9 104.19


Total Defense
-------------------------
Florida 677 2848 284.8
Alabama 708 3308 300.7


Yards per Rush Allowed
-------------------------
Florida 2.57
Alabama 3.60


What were you saying again? (Course we also lead Bama in the loss category :)

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Chris Bellomy

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Nyarlathotep (mitg...@math.ufl.edu) wrote:

: In article <3aqrru$m...@Tut.MsState.Edu> na...@Isis.MsState.Edu (N. Decker) writes:
: >: >I believe the TIDE will roll because UF has NO running game

: >: Shows what you know moron:
: >: NCAA Statistics
: >: ---------------
: >: Average Rushing Yards
: >: Florida 173.3
: >: Alabama 167.3
: >
: >: So Florida has a better rushing game than Bama.

Add one to UF's OWC.

: >So? That's not saying much - neither team seems to be a big


: >ground team. It will depend on passing and coverage I am sure.
: >

: Passing Yards
: --------------------------
: Florida 356 221 3164 316.4
: Alabama 225 136 1924 174.9

+2.

: Rushing Defense


: -------------------
: Florida 312 801 80.1
: Alabama 418 1505 136.8

+3.

: Passing Defense Efficiency


: -------------------------- att com yds int effeciency
: Florida 365 191 2047 12 100.97
: Alabama 290 151 1803 9 104.19

+4.

: Total Defense


: -------------------------
: Florida 677 2848 284.8
: Alabama 708 3308 300.7

+5.

: Yards per Rush Allowed


: -------------------------
: Florida 2.57
: Alabama 3.60


+6.

: What were you saying again? (Course we also lead Bama in the loss category :)
^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
+5.

John, for shame. You're not stocking ibises, are you?

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Nyarlathotep

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In article <3ar5d5$k...@hermes.unt.edu> cbel...@dale.hsc.unt.edu (Chris Bellomy) writes:

>Add one to UF's OWC.
>


No no, these aren't woofs. They are stats, I haven't said anything about who
will win, ... yet. :)

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Nyarlathotep

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In article <3ar6gm$l...@maze.dpo.uab.edu> com...@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu(Steve Nickolson) writes:

> But everyone knows that you are voting Bama number 1 just
>to increase UF's chances for a MNC.

Nah, it's my undying love for that Roll Tide cheer.


>We know that this is your subtle way of porr mouthing the polls . Come on,
>admit it. Very prolonged WEAUXF on your part. Congratulations!


You are probably giving my mental faculties more credit than they deserve,


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Steve Nickolson

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YEA, JOHN,

But everyone knows that you are voting Bama number 1 just

to increase UF's chances for a MNC. We know that this is your subtle


way of porr mouthing the polls . Come on, admit it. Very prolonged WEAUXF
on your part. Congratulations!


Steve Nickolson
Roll Tide

Jeff Smith

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Nov 21, 1994, 4:49:06 PM11/21/94
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Nyarlathotep (mitg...@math.ufl.edu) wrote:

: In article <3aqovm$3...@newsbf01.news.aol.com> jere...@aol.com (Jeremy M P) writes:

: >>So Florida has a better rushing game than Bama.
: >
: >YOU TELL EM!!! 1 AP vote this week for BAMA!!! haha... season all for
: >not!!!


: Actually in the student poll on rsfc I have been voting Alabama #1 the past
: two weeks.

No, but really...

Alabama fans might be the next group to collectively hate Notre Dame
with a fury.

In order to win the MNC, first, Nebraska has to lose. Penn State will
not lose (I'm betting), so Alabama's only chance is to beat Florida
and then beat a bowl opponent. The problem is, if a 7-4 or 6-5 ND
team is invited to the bowl, Alabama won't gain any respect for beating
them, and won't jump over PSU.

Why a 7-4 ND team would be invited to the Sugar Bowl for is beyond me.
I don't care how strong their alumni support is. They'll ruin Alabama's
shot at the MNC.

-Jeff

Changsub Shim

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In article <Czn50...@encore.com>, jfre...@encore.com (Justin Frederich) says:

>
>afn0...@freenet3.freenet.ufl.edu (Gary Stephen) writes:
>
>
> Miss St is 7-3 with an out of conference slate typical of the SEC.
> - they played Memphis,Ark.St, and Tulane
^^^^^^^

What's wrong with this team? Since Jackie came to MSU, MSU tied with
Memphis (2-2). At least they're much better than U. of Texas (MSU 2-0).
If we keep playing and beating OVERRATED Texas(At that time), nobody
would say this kind of crap. Remember, if Memphis reduce # of games
against SEC teams, they will become an easy-bowl team. Same thing
goes to Tulane, they played too many games against ACC and SEC.

Just simply looking at win-loss records does not help that much
when measuring a team's strength.

> - Auburn was the only real ranked team on your schedule
> - why do you have to use the SECC and Sugar to pump up the
> level of your opponents
> - why don't you schedule tougher opponents to begin with

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SEC is known as #1 football conference 8 SEC games is enough.
Winning out all 8 SEC games and some easy 3 non-conference games
are good enough to ensure the National Champion. Then why you
want to bother with something else? In SEC, even Florida can not
win all their games, what happens to Auburn?

Look at some other so-called big conferences, one team totally
dominates. Look at FSU's records against conference opponents.
Amazing. You never ever expect that thing in SEC, why? Simple.
SEC is tough and winning 8 SEC games is enough.


>
>Justin Frederich

Jeff Rogers

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Nov 22, 1994, 9:18:04 AM11/22/94
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>Alabama fans might be the next group to collectively hate Notre Dame
>with a fury.

You're a little bit late if you think this hasn't been this hasn't been
happening for years...

EMAIL ADDRESS: jeff....@turner.com

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Jeremy M P

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In article <3ar4ki$n...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, je...@msc.cornell.edu
(Jeff Smith) writes:

-Why a 7-4 ND team would be invited to the Sugar Bowl for is beyond me.
-I don't care how strong their alumni support is. They'll ruin Alabama's
-shot at the MNC.

7-4 or 6-5 ND team shouldn't be playing until next September. ... good
point though... bama is over.

Steve Nickolson

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Nov 22, 1994, 9:59:36 AM11/22/94
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JeffR...@turner.com (Jeff Rogers) writes:

>>Alabama fans might be the next group to collectively hate Notre Dame
>>with a fury.
>
>You're a little bit late if you think this hasn't been this hasn't been
>happening for years...


Since around 1966 or so, then developing into a fury around 1972 or 1973.


Roll Tide
Steve Nickolson

Matt Foley

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Nov 22, 1994, 11:20:21 AM11/22/94
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According to Jeff Rogers <JeffR...@turner.com>:

> >Alabama fans might be the next group to collectively hate Notre Dame
> >with a fury.
>
> You're a little bit late if you think this hasn't been this hasn't been
> happening for years...

You're right. When I was in London, of all places, (yes, THE London) this
summer, I ran into a Tide fan travelling through the British Isles
with another SEC fan, a Gator. The reason I noticed them is that, after
spending approximately 6 weeks over there, the Southern accents coupled
with the American tendency to be really loud made them stick out. But
I digress....

The Tide fan was nice enough to explain, without any invective
regularly seen in forums like this one, that the folks down in Tuscaloosa
aren't big fans of the Golden Dome. To his surprise, I was able to
inform him that ND fans really don't think of 'Bama as any sort of
rival in any sport. We just don't care. There's no animosity, no
hatred, no nothing; just a rousing round of indifference where the
Tide is concerned. We speculated about the reason for this very
different situation at our respective institutions and came up with
this conclusion -- Bama fans hate ND because of the record the Irish
hold against the Tide. They feel that both on the field and off,
ND has gotten the better of them in certain situations (like the
1977 MNC), and resentment towards South Bend lingers because of it.

Don't get me wrong, most folks up here would love to see ND play
the Tide in the near future, but that's because the Tide guards
the best Southern tradition in college football. We'd love to
see how Notre Dame stacks up against it.

So far the Irish are 5-1,

David Wicks

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jere...@aol.com (Jeremy M P) writes:

> Even if Alabama beats the hell out of Florida next week, they have no
>shot at the national championship....


So, what does "M P" stand for, anyway?

Mystery Person?
Mildly Psychotic?
Major Pinhead?
Mainly Pissed
Missing Penis?

Maria Pescadero?!

AHA!!!!

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In article <3at5t6$4...@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, dwi...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (David
Wicks) wrote:

>
> jere...@aol.com (Jeremy M P) writes:
>
> > Even if Alabama beats the hell out of Florida next week, they have no
> >shot at the national championship....
>
>
> So, what does "M P" stand for, anyway?
>
> Mystery Person?
> Mildly Psychotic?
> Major Pinhead?
> Mainly Pissed
> Missing Penis?
>
> Maria Pescadero?!
>
> AHA!!!!

By Jove, Watson, er... Wicks, I think you're on to something here!
--
"Work is for people who don't hunt, fish, or play golf."

David Wicks

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Nov 22, 1994, 3:18:22 PM11/22/94
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mfo...@chopin.helios.nd.edu (Matt Foley) writes:

>The Tide fan was nice enough to explain, without any invective
>regularly seen in forums like this one, that the folks down in Tuscaloosa
>aren't big fans of the Golden Dome. To his surprise, I was able to
>inform him that ND fans really don't think of 'Bama as any sort of
>rival in any sport. We just don't care. There's no animosity, no
>hatred, no nothing; just a rousing round of indifference where the
>Tide is concerned. We speculated about the reason for this very
>different situation at our respective institutions and came up with
>this conclusion -- Bama fans hate ND because of the record the Irish
>hold against the Tide. They feel that both on the field and off,
>ND has gotten the better of them in certain situations (like the
>1977 MNC), and resentment towards South Bend lingers because of it.
>
>Don't get me wrong, most folks up here would love to see ND play
>the Tide in the near future, but that's because the Tide guards
>the best Southern tradition in college football. We'd love to
>see how Notre Dame stacks up against it.
>
>So far the Irish are 5-1,


Oh, Matt, how hard you try not to be smug--alas, to no avail!

I know you wish to believe we're sore because of the record, but
that's not really it. Losing on the field does not engender the
resentment you speak of. We've had similar troubles beating Texas,
and by and large we respect them.

Mainly we dislike you because you got two MNCs you did not deserve,
to which we had a strong claim: 1966 and the '77 one you mention.
I don't expect you to share that view, of course. :-)

But keep in mind, *most* people don't like ND. Why should we be any
different?

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N. Decker

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Nov 22, 1994, 3:41:43 PM11/22/94
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Nyarlathotep wrote:
: In article <3aqrru$m...@Tut.MsState.Edu> na...@Isis.MsState.Edu (N. Decker) writes:
NOTE THIS IS NOT CORRECT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

: >: >I believe the TIDE will roll because UF has NO running game

: >: Shows what you know moron:
: >: NCAA Statistics
: >: ---------------
: >: Average Rushing Yards
: >: Florida 173.3
: >: Alabama 167.3
: >
: >: So Florida has a better rushing game than Bama.
: >
: >So? That's not saying much - neither team seems to be a big
: >ground team. It will depend on passing and coverage I am sure.

THIS ^^^^^ IS WHAT I WROTE.

: >

: Passing Yards


: --------------------------
: Florida 356 221 3164 316.4
: Alabama 225 136 1924 174.9

[snip]
: What were you saying again? (Course we also lead Bama in the loss category :)

Dont' complain, i WANT UF to win, bozo :) We detest bama here :)

: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
: ///// John Midtgard /// The College Football WWW Site is at //
: //// /// http://www.math.ufl.edu/~mitgardt ///

John - don't axe out the header - some stuff got attributed to me that
I didn't write - lord knows, i wouldn't be saying "the tide will ROll"!

N. Decker

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Nov 22, 1994, 3:47:38 PM11/22/94
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Justin Frederich wrote:
: And Alabama looked impressive over Gloria Vanderbilt 17-7, Arkansas 13-6
: Tulame 20-10, Georgia 29-28, Southern Miss 14-6, Tenn 17-13, MissST. 29-24 ?

MissSt game was 29-25 btw.

: Miss St is 7-3 with an out of conference slate typical of the SEC.


: - they played Memphis,Ark.St, and Tulane
: - Auburn was the only real ranked team on your schedule

We were #20/21 I think when we played Bama thank you. ANd we gave them
a harder game than Auburn did. But then again you weren't there.
Besides, we are now #19. Again, no respect. Idiots.

: - why do you have to use the SECC and Sugar to pump up the

: level of your opponents
: - why don't you schedule tougher opponents to begin with

Besides, if you looked at the stats, we beat most of bama's opponents worse
than they did (exceptions of LSU and AU).

: Justin Frederich
Bring on ole miss.

Matt Foley

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Nov 22, 1994, 4:05:06 PM11/22/94
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According to David Wicks <dwi...@nyx10.cs.du.edu>:

[my fine "non-smug" post deleted]

> >So far the Irish are 5-1,
>
> Oh, Matt, how hard you try not to be smug--alas, to no avail!

Well, I just had to throw around the record for kicks. :-)

> Mainly we dislike you because you got two MNCs you did not deserve,
> to which we had a strong claim: 1966 and the '77 one you mention.
> I don't expect you to share that view, of course. :-)

We just might have a slight difference of opinion here. :-) Anyway, I do
have one question, though. Why do some Tide fans claim an MNC for
the year ND defeated 'Bama in the Sugar Bowl? Did one poll still
vote before the bowl games or what?

> But keep in mind, *most* people don't like ND. Why should we be any
> different?

Good point. Join the club -- the line forms to the left. :-)

Oh, and speaking of smug, here's a classic homemade sign displayed
at Notre Dame's colossal victory over basketball powerhouse UCLA
in 1974.

"Yes John [Wooden], God roots for Notre Dame.
Signed,
Paul 'Bear' Bryant"

No flames, please. The sign was just a recognition that ND pulled
off two phenomenal upsets on within a month of each other (and in
different sports) during the winter of 1973-74.

Oh boy, now I've done it, :-)

Jeff Rogers

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Nov 22, 1994, 5:08:40 PM11/22/94
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>So far the Irish are 5-1,

And a well-respected 5-1, although as I've said here before, I think it was an
early 80's game against Alabama that made Notre Dame wake up and start
recruiting speed.

Bama fans tend to be pretty weary of Notre Dame getting credit for greatness
even when they have losses... it's automatically assumed that Notre Dame is
better than ANY team with the same record (or even sometimes slightly better
RE: 1977 and 1966(?) "Bama plays football, Notre Dame plays politics").

Of course, I'd love to see Bama schedule Notre Dame again. Penn State as
well. I loved those rivalries.

Matt Foley

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Nov 22, 1994, 6:47:07 PM11/22/94
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According to Jeff Rogers <JeffR...@turner.com>:
> Of course, I'd love to see Bama schedule Notre Dame again. Penn State as
> well. I loved those rivalries.

No argument here. ND's schedule takes a big slide in 1995 and 1996, with
the exception of BC, U$C, Texas (although this might be debatable),
Washington, and Ohio State. Why isn't 'Bama on the schedule? I
really wish they were, and as I've said before, I have tremendous
respect Alabama's tradition and current success ... I just with they
were on our schedule so I could see them in action.

Gary Stephen

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Nov 23, 1994, 12:25:02 AM11/23/94
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Jeff Rogers (JeffR...@turner.com) wrote: (paraphrased by me)

> I'd love to see Bama schedule Penn State again. I loved those rivalries.

In the past, after Penn State lost out on an MNC despite going
undefeated (it has happened to Joe Pa three times), Paterno decided the
way to get respect was to step up the schedule. One of the national
powers he slated was 'Bama. After PSU beats Oregon and loses the MNC to
Nebraksa or Alabama, who knows, maybe he'll do it again?

Gary S.
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Greg Locurto

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Nov 23, 1994, 3:11:04 PM11/23/94
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I know John pretty well and he isn't very much for that poor mouthing shit in
fact he hates it. I also know that even when UF was being ranked #1 by many he
was voting PSU #1, this is someone UF would not play this year. Doesn't give
you much of a case for poor mouthing. But you being from Bama might speak from
both sides of your mouth just like Bryant often did.

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Jeff Rogers

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Nov 23, 1994, 4:11:40 PM11/23/94
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>you much of a case for poor mouthing. But you being from Bama might speak from
>both sides of your mouth just like Bryant often did.

Why not, Greg?
We learned from Bear Bryant and Vince Dooley, the two most famous
self-poor-mouthers and opponent-woofers in the history of college football.
Even Lou Holtz doesn't belong in their class...

... but, ever notice something...
They both had National Championships.
Guess who could learn from them....

J. Hugh Sullivan

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Nov 23, 1994, 4:36:36 PM11/23/94
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Jeremy M P (jere...@aol.com) wrote:
: Even if Alabama beats the hell out of Florida next week, they have no
: shot at the national championship.... If Nebraska doesn't win the award,
: Penn State will take it... I hope that you Bama' fans realize that your
: "great" season will end with a #2 ranking at BEST. Most likely result -
: Alabama loses to Florida and then wins a close bowl game.... Second most
: likely result - Alabama loses in a national championship bowl game. There
: is absolutely no chance for BAMA! Nebraska is going to win it all!!!!!

An interesting, if flawed, analysis. The voters will realize that,
Nebraska and PSU each faced one football team - Colorado and Michigan
respectively. If Alabama were to run the table of State, Auburn, the
Gators and a ranked bowl opponent, I have every confidence that they will
show intelligence and good judgement thus relegating your wishful
thinking to obscurity.

J. Hugh Sullivan
Bama '50

James Monte Pace

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Nov 23, 1994, 5:08:40 PM11/23/94
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jere...@aol.com (Jeremy M P) writes:

> Even if Alabama beats the hell out of Florida next week, they have no
>shot at the national championship.... If Nebraska doesn't win the award,
>Penn State will take it... I hope that you Bama' fans realize that your
>"great" season will end with a #2 ranking at BEST. Most likely result -
>Alabama loses to Florida and then wins a close bowl game.... Second most
>likely result - Alabama loses in a national championship bowl game. There
>is absolutely no chance for BAMA! Nebraska is going to win it all!!!!!

Not really, because Miami will beat the shit out of the Corncobbers, just
like they always do. And when is the last time Nebraska won a bowl game
- aren't they 0-9 in the last nine games? Face it - the Huckers just
plain suck cobs. Alabama will rule supreme as always (au natural), and
Nebraska's spam-sucking trailer trash fans will have to go back to the shed.

Dr. Death

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Nov 25, 1994, 12:30:59 AM11/25/94
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In article <Czn50...@encore.com> jfre...@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>
> - why do you have to use the SECC and Sugar to pump up the
> level of your opponents

We don't, we just belong to a real conference.

> - why don't you schedule tougher opponents to begin with

Pot. Kettle. 1-AA Georgia Southern.

-- Dr.D


si...@inland.com

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Nov 25, 1994, 2:44:10 PM11/25/94
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In article <3am456$p...@newsbf01.news.aol.com>, jere...@aol.com (Jeremy M P) writes:
> Even if Alabama beats the hell out of Florida next week, they have no
> shot at the national championship.... If Nebraska doesn't win the award,
> Penn State will take it... I hope that you Bama' fans realize that your
> "great" season will end with a #2 ranking at BEST. Most likely result -
> Alabama loses to Florida and then wins a close bowl game.... Second most
> likely result - Alabama loses in a national championship bowl game. There
> is absolutely no chance for BAMA! Nebraska is going to win it all!!!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Before you make such a factless statement, do consider another possibility
you dumbhead:

Alabama beats Florida, Alabama wins the Bowl game.

That would mean Alabama would have beaten, FOUR (4) ranked teams in a row.
That would include 3 top 5 teams in a row (Ask a closeby Non-Big8 or Non-
Big10 graduate how to figure that out). Obviously Big 8 grads cann't
comprehend simple things, and Big 10 grads cann't count.

If That kind of winning record does not get Alabama the MNC, then something
is wrong with the country. Besides two other teams that Alabama had beat
previously are climbing back into the polls : Vols & Georgia.

Don't worry about the mid-season & pre-season rankings. The Only ranking that
counts would be decided on Jan 03, 1995.

Get it.!!

Ajay K. Singh
Roll Tide Roll!!!

Jeff Rogers

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Nov 28, 1994, 10:30:28 AM11/28/94
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>Pot. Kettle. 1-AA Georgia Southern.

When this WAS scheduled, Georgia Southern and the "hambone" were rolling up
1-AA National Championships like Tony the Tiger eating Frosted Flakes...


EMAIL ADDRESS: jeff....@turner.com

"Gotta get me some alligator shoes..."

*and* N-A-V-Y. goooo NAVY! FIGHT!

si...@inland.com

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Nov 28, 1994, 12:07:46 PM11/28/94
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> Garbage. Garbage. Garbage.

Good analysis of MNC scenario deleted for fear of redundancy.

>
>
> If Bama goes 13-0, they will have beaten, in succession, 8-3 Mississippi
> State, 9-1-1 Auburn, 9-2 or 10-1 Florida, and a Sugar Bowl foe.
>
> The question is not Nebraska or Penn State.
> The question is Nebraska or Alabama.
>
> Gary S.

Saw the Fl-FSU game. The Gators choked again specially on defensive front
against FSU. Hate when that happens. O Pray To Thee Weafx gods, last two SEC
championship games there has been no upsets. Please keep it the same this year
too. And I will be in Atlanta to watch it. Does anybody know of a good Alumni
Tailgate Party to crash to?

Unknown

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Nov 28, 1994, 3:51:03 PM11/28/94
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>We just might have a slight difference of opinion here. :-) Anyway, I do
>have one question, though. Why do some Tide fans claim an MNC for
>the year ND defeated 'Bama in the Sugar Bowl? Did one poll still
>vote before the bowl games or what?

Matt,

The UPI awarded their National Champion before the bowl game still in
1973.

Roll Tide
Bruce V. Aquila

Matt Foley

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Nov 30, 1994, 12:25:00 PM11/30/94
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Thanks for the info, BVA. And it's nice to see your classy posts
back on the net. Stick around a while this time -- it looks like
you might have quite a bit of cheering to do. :-)

Enjoy the SECC,

Josef Call

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Dec 5, 1994, 6:11:27 PM12/5/94
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In article <3bichc$5...@news.nd.edu>, mfo...@wyeth.helios.nd.edu (Matt Foley) writes:
|> BVA <> wrote:
|> > >We just might have a slight difference of opinion here. :-) Anyway, I do
|> > >have one question, though. Why do some Tide fans claim an MNC for
|> > >the year ND defeated 'Bama in the Sugar Bowl? Did one poll still
|> > >vote before the bowl games or what?
|> >
|> > Matt,
|> >
|> > The UPI awarded their National Champion before the bowl game still in
|> > 1973.
|> >
|> > Roll Tide
|> > Bruce V. Aquila

Actually, fellas, both 'Bama and ND claim lots and lots of MNCs from some
questionable sources. Wasn't one of 'Bama's MNCs given by a bank (bank!!)
located in Tuscaloosa or Birmingham? And did not ND win at least one MNC
before losing in a bowl game? The only MNCs worth talking about (if indeed
any are) are the consensus (writers + coaches) poll winners. That means ones
won before ~1935 (first AP poll) shouldn't be considered with any real
seriousness. I'm not sure when the first UPI polls came out, though my guess
is some time in the 40s or 50s. How many MNCs that fit these criteria have
Alabama and Notre Dame won? I'd guess that both have won their fair share,
but nothing close to the 12 or 13 apiece that these schools currently claim.

If you really want to talk meaningful tradition, who have been the best teams
in terms of wins, winning percentage, bowl invitations, bowl wins, and MNCs
during the past 50 or so years (when college football began resembling the
game played today instead of rugby, and when unlimited substitution became
legal)? My guess is that ND slips a bit relative to teams like Nebraska,
Okrahoma!, and Penn State. Alabama is probably still right up there among
the top 3 or 4, though.

In any case, go Buffs - crush the Frightened Frenchmen!
Go Poison Nuts - poach the Mastadons!

josef

Matt Foley

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Dec 5, 1994, 8:35:03 PM12/5/94
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Josef Call <jc...@iws122.sc.intel.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, fellas, both 'Bama and ND claim lots and lots of MNCs from some
> questionable sources. Wasn't one of 'Bama's MNCs given by a bank (bank!!)
> located in Tuscaloosa or Birmingham? And did not ND win at least one MNC
> before losing in a bowl game? The only MNCs worth talking about (if indeed
> any are) are the consensus (writers + coaches) poll winners. That means ones
> won before ~1935 (first AP poll) shouldn't be considered with any real
> seriousness. I'm not sure when the first UPI polls came out, though my guess
> is some time in the 40s or 50s. How many MNCs that fit these criteria have
> Alabama and Notre Dame won? I'd guess that both have won their fair share,
> but nothing close to the 12 or 13 apiece that these schools currently claim.

The 12 or 13 numbers are pretty much bunk, and if you talk to
reasonable fans, they'll tell you so. The usual practice of counting
MNCs dates from the inception of the AP poll in the late 1930s. Since
that time, Notre Dame has won 8 AP MNCs. Alabama and Oklahoma have
6 apiece. (Heck, if you count everything -- ND's up to something
ridiculous like 19.)

> If you really want to talk meaningful tradition, who have been the best teams
> in terms of wins, winning percentage, bowl invitations, bowl wins, and MNCs
> during the past 50 or so years (when college football began resembling the
> game played today instead of rugby, and when unlimited substitution became
> legal)? My guess is that ND slips a bit relative to teams like Nebraska,
> Okrahoma!, and Penn State. Alabama is probably still right up there among

^^^^^^^^^
C00L!1! V3GG13 U! :-)

> the top 3 or 4, though.

ND might slip a little, but probably not out of the top five. Also,
counting bowls invites and bowl wins might be a little misleading
because some schools had different rules for attending bowls. For
example, Big10++ teams could go nowhere besides the Rose Bowl for a
long time, and Notre Dame, with the exception of the 1925 Rose Bowl,
declined all bowl invites until the 1970 Cotton Bowl. As to winning
percentage, Notre Dame leads the all-time numbers with Michigan,
Alabama, Oklahoma, and Texas rounding out the top 5. I don't know
which team leads the "50 year" tally.

Matt Foley

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Dec 5, 1994, 12:35:03 PM12/5/94
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From: mfo...@prokofiev.helios.nd.edu (Matt Foley)
Subject: Re: ALABAMA + 11-0 = NO SHOT AT NAT. TITLE. ha.
Organization: University of Notre Dame

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